Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Did the latest seem gentle man and welcome to the <unk> 2009 PM Ramesh National Earnings Conference call. This time, all participants are in on the <unk> only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time if any.
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Every one and thanks for joining us on this call.
With me today, or <unk>, President and Chief Executive Officer and jump Taylor.
Angel Officer.
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Thanks, Ryan I'd like to begin by saying never. Please report are strong 2019 for them. It's continued through third quarter.
Sales reached the third quarter record a $581 million that represents 5% top wind growth as compared to the previous years third quarter with each business unit, providing strong top line contribution.
While bash achieved operating margins of 6.6% during the third quarter, which represents 140 basis point improvement versus the same Puerto just one year ago.
Oh commercial organizations unacceptable job of recovering the cost pressures, we felt last year as evidence by average selling price and set her up in excess of $2000 for trailer.
Within operations, we continue to work across our supply chain to improve overall network stability at one time delivery person.
In addition, we continue to improve our internal management system to drive enhanced cracking and visibility paired with an answer sales and operations planning processes to create better overall execution of our business.
Our focus help mitigate again I created by continued stress supply chain and will continue drive ongoing improvement in Wabash operational performance as will become even more responsive to our customers.
At the same time, we've been focused on abetting Wabash management system into our culture and utilizing a growing set of enterprise lead tools and new business systems to drive breakthrough improvement across the company.
We are engaging the ice cream mapping it guys activities in several areas in the business further drive profitable growth.
<unk> at this time, we have teams deployed in multiple truck body manufacturing locations heartache manufacturing sites in Mexico in Wisconsin as well several areas in our front office I.
Encouraged by the progress we've made since the beginning of her Wabash management system journey in mid 2080.
I'd like to thank our employees for their hard work and helping us achieve these results.
However, most encourage by growing understanding with small bash that are Wabash management system. It's not just about reducing costs is truly about enabling profitable growth advancing the strategy of our business for our people our customers enter shareholders.
Let's move onto the performance over individual strategic business units.
Upon them our products business delivered $114 billion of revenue and the third quarter, which represents 30% growth versus the same quarter of last year.
That pace of gross.
Find a mild find them while products business continues to exceed our expectations and we remain focused on <unk> ever enterprise Lane tools within F.M.P.'s commercial and operational processes different her navel ongoing profitable growth within that business.
Two additional highlights from the quarter dimension or the following.
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The opening of our updating parts and service location in Tampa, Florida, which complements existing a bit parts and service locations and cleaver in Texas and grip in Georgia.
The Tampa location will enhance our truck body penetration within the poor to market as wants position us to grow in the area medium in light duty body and then updating solutions.
Separate reflects our continued execution of our strategy to create additional revenue growth and market presence within the broad bottom while space.
The second highlight is the operational improvement with her <unk>, Indiana truck body manufacturing location for a year over year production has increased over 20%.
Coupled with a 30% improvement in manufacturing productivity.
As a result of these improvements they strong focus on overall execution fundamental products achieve 4.1% operating margin during the quarter.
Which is a 580 580 basis point improvement from the third quarter of 2018.
You're to date to the end up at the third quarter.
Products is increased operating eve, it out by $8.5 million or by 50%.
Just reflects a rubber all commitment and execution to driving ongoing profit growth within the within the dynamic markets that make up on a mile space for a while that national.
Oh now move onto our diversified products group of business.
The first by price group delivered revenue of $93 million during the third quarter after adjusting for the sale the A.B.T.E. business.
And the truck equipment.
Oh, the overall top lines up slightly were very encouraged that to diversify products business has continued to drive your of your operating margin improvement.
P.G.'s third quarter reflects 220 basis points of adjusted margin expansion in the quarter and reflex active deployment of key Wabash management system elements, specifically, the growing use of sales and operations planning coupled with improved commercial processes. In addition.
Increase the rate of employment of enterprise tools to improve key areas of operational performance.
Now we move on the commercial trailer products.
Trailer products revenue was $380 million during the third quarter at 3.3% increase over the previous years quarter.
C.T.P. Opera C.T.P. operating margin was 9.6%, representing an 80 basis point improvement versus the prior years quarter. As a result of successful efforts to counter costs challenges experience in 2080.
C.T.P. continues to execute onto innovation strategy to further differentiated products and provide on match value to our customers.
C.G.P.S. currently commercializing so core technology across its drive and chronic lines for 2020 as well as the added benefit blush, Mount integrated logistics to provide unmatched customer value in terms of weight savings and enhance cargo secure meant flexibility.
Both features received high levels of customer interest at the very recent North American commercial vehicle show in Atlanta. In addition, C.T.P. is actively preparing for a watch of expression transcript Eagles flatbed product for 2020 production as well in order to continue to execute better than market growth within that business.
On the operational from C.P., a deployed six sigma resources within or Wabash wood products operation to prove what is already record performance levels.
I went by saying the C.T.P. as well possession for the next market period of the trailer cycle and continues to strengthen the talent systems and products. So carry it board breakthrough performance into the next market upswing.
We're not going to cover our backlog and market conditions overall backlog end of the third quarter at approximately $800 million.
As reports of Shun back off to come down as expected within the various trailer market segments. As a 2020 order season takes on a more traditional quarter pattern.
A pattern Worktopia is the beginning of the order season.
As expected we've seen commercial trailer quote in deal activity increased significantly over the past several weeks of October currently supporting the forecast range provided by a C.T.N.F.T.R.
Edition are tank trailer, and that's and P. truck body backlogs stood at equal or greater levels that at this time last year.
Too early provided details view of 2020 at.
However, our outlook is consistent with industry forecasters, and we look forward to providing more detail on the 2020 outlook during the year in color.
Let's move on the capital allocation.
[noise] our primary focus for me remains repaying debts.
In the quarter reduced our debt by $15 million and look to continue that pace end of the fourth port.
We also found that are dividend repurchased $9 million of shares. In addition, we've been able to properly button that necessary capital investments to operate the business and invested in the future.
Going forward deliberate appointment of cash to further strengthen her balance sheet remaining for part of our capital allocation strategy will continue to invest in our business and returning capital to the shareholders.
As I close out Michael I went to mention that we're pleased to see so many of the investment community at the North American commercial vehicle show last week.
It was great opportunity for Wabash to show the breath of our product lines that spanned from the first to find a mile.
As well as I I, we seek to differentiate our products to innovate materials in design.
To further driver pasted innovation and technology discovery, we have recently consolidated our product and technology research development and discovery efforts and Centralizes centralized was resources to form a new Wabash product innovation group, which will be led by Robert way and we'll report directly to me.
Innovation is at the heart of Wabash National and we're increasing our commitment through action to provide breakthrough solutions for our customers from the first to find them off.
The transportation distribution logistics industries rapidly changing and we went our customers to have ongoing competence Wabash national will be there. It was solutions that will help them when in their space. During these trends transformational times.
Oh, and I'll address or outlook for 2019.
With just one quarter to go we're increasing our full year earnings per share by two cents to $1.67 at the midpoint.
Given our strong financial performance during the quarter. We are also tightening our full year E.P.S. outlook to arrange $1.64 $2 70 per share.
At the midpoint of the range, we would demonstrate your be your earnings per share growth approximately 60%.
Our financial results with a quarter of for the <unk> third quarter of 2019 have demonstrated the effectiveness of the initiatives. We've put in place of last year as well as a cultural changes that are underway.
We're excited you continue showing progress over the coming years, but also focused on finishing up this year strongly.
What that I'll turn to call over the jap or additional color on both or financial performance and the fourth quarter Ellis Jeff.
Thanks for it and good morning, everyone.
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Holiday that basis third quarter revenue.
It was $581 million, an increase of 28 million or five per cent year over year.
Consolidated new trailer shipments were approximately 14450 and it's during the quarter.
In terms of operating results consolidated gross profit for the quarter $78 million for 13.4% I'm sales.
Froze tamarkin increased by 160 basis points, you're over here as a result of successful efforts drug process improvements to address operational challenges.
During the second half of last year as well as execution of the Wabash management system for longer term structural improvements.
The company generated operating income of $38 million and operating margin of 6.6% during the third quarter.
[noise] fell in general in administrative arrest G.N.A. for the quarter, excluding amortization was $34 million for 5.9% sales.
[noise] operating need the off for the third quarter was $51 million or 8.7 per cent of sales.
Intangible amortization for the third quarter was $5.1 million.
Interest expense for the quarter totaled $6.7 million a modest decrease over the prior year as a result of our continued debt reduction activities.
We recognized income tax expense of 7.4 million and the third quarter.
He effective tax rate for the quarter was 22.6% lower than are ongoing rate of 26% to 27%.
Result of an R. and D. tax credit taken during the quarter.
Finally gap net income was $25.5 million or 46 cents per diluted chair.
This compares to third quarter of 2018 adjusted earnings per share of 29 cents per diluted chair and represents an increase of 59% over the prior year quarter.
But that let's move on to look at the segments, beginning with T.T.P. or commercial trailer products on flight five.
[noise] commercial trailer products third quarter net sales for $380 million, which represents a 12 million or 3.3 per cent increase year over year on new trailer shipments 13700 units.
New trailer average selling price or S.P. increased over the prior year by more than $2000 per unit on pricing actions to mitigate and recover the impact of higher material and operating cost.
TTP recorded gross and operating margins of 11.6 and 9.6% respectively.
Operating margins improve daily basis points compared to the prior year period due to cost recovery efforts. In addition to product in customer mix.
[noise], we'd just like six diversified products group net sales were $93 million, you're over your decrease of 9 million or 9% for the third quarter.
Driven by the sale at the aviation and truck equipment business and mid January which represents approximately 10 percentage point drag on D.P.G.'s year over year growth and the third quarter.
P P.G. posted gross margin of 19.4% and operating margin of 7.7% during the third quarter.
The 220 basis point improvement in operating margins as compared to the adjusted non gap operating margin and the prior year period was a result of cost recovery efforts as well as operational and productivity cost improvements driven by the Wabash management system.
On flights.
Final mile products net sales for the third quarter totaled $114 million.
Given by strong market conditions as well as demand from customers, who appreciate the operational and technology advantages, while bash brings to the truck budding space.
Roasted operating margin for the third quarter, we're 14.8% and 4.1% respectively.
580 basis point expansion C.N.F.M.P.'s operating margin versus the same quarter a year ago was a result of higher volume cost recovery and improved operational efficiency.
Flight eight shows the walk to free cash flow conversion on a year to date basis with operating cash flow approximately $76 million roughly 22 million has been invested via capital expenditure, leaving 54 million of free cash flow, which converted at 76%.
Income you everyday through the third quarter.
Moving onto our balance sheet capital allocation plan or liquidity or cash plus available borrowings as of September 30th was $288 million or 12% of trailing 12 month revenue.
With regard to capital allocation during the quarter, we utilize 15 million for debt reduction.
Invested 7.2 million capital projects.
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Quarterly dividend payment of approximately 4.4 million in Cherry purchases of 8.8 million.
At the end of the quarter, we had $80 million remaining under our current share repurchase authorization.
Networking capital finished the third quarter up $28 million sequentially with a decrease in accounts payable primarily dragon that move.
Working capital ended the quarter at 9.9 per cent of trailing 12 months revenue.
We finished the third quarter with leverage ratios for gross and net debt at 2.4 times in 1.8 times respectively.
Maybe not to slide nine with our fourth quarter outlook.
Or outlet for marketing remains consistent with our prior guidance. We continue to expect between 50 and 150 basis points a four year 2019.
Marking improvement.
S G.N.A. as a percent of revenue is expected to be slightly above 6% and the fourth quarter.
Brent mentioned, the centralization of our product innovation grip.
The result of exchange, we expect approximately $1 million per quarter to shift from cost to get so the general administrative on the income statement for the fourth quarter and going forward.
We are currently estimating the effective tax rate for the fourth quarter to be approximately 26% to 27%.
Bring our for your tax rate to approximately 24% given the lower effective rate during the first recorders.
Oh, you're capital spending is expected to be higher in 2019 compared to previous years as we continue to support the pipeline of productivity projects and new product commercialization.
Identified across our business segments.
Total, we estimate 2019 capital spending to be between 30 $35 million.
Or expectation for fourth quarter revenue just to come in between 570 million to $600 million with new trailer shipments of 14000 15000 units.
Moving on to total company profitability, we expect operating margin in the fourth quarter of 2019th.
Up up in the range of 200 to 250 basis points from gap operating margins in the fourth quarter of 2080.
In summary, we're pleased with her your everyday performance in our progress on initiatives.
Generated the substantial margin expansion seen during the third quarter, particularly the ropes and operating margin improved in all three business segments on a year over year basis.
We continue to generate strong free cash flow. We'll proceed with our balance capital allocation playing their prioritizes debt repayment, while continuing to invest in the business and returning capital shareholders.
Lastly, our commitment to the to position the business for profitable growth continues to unfold with purposeful action as we continue to grow our ability to work on our business for the future while executing it today.
Thank you for your interest in in support of Wabash National.
Oh that I'll turn the call over Glory will open it up or questions.
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Thanks, Good morning.
Doesn't so maybe that start with the question on 2020, I know you're not giving.
Guidance at today, but obviously it seems like will be facing a tougher in market environment. How should we think about the relative performance up your P.T.P. segments top line to industry trailer production based on how you're thinking about the margin strategically.
You get your thoughts around.
Line with the market you'd you'd be better should you'd be worse I any help on that from would be appreciated.
Yeah I mean.
As we said, we'll give further guidance at the year and call I think I'll start with the market itself as we said earlier, where C.T.P. sets right now from a deal closure standpoint quote activity level again is indicative of the forecasted production and shouldn't levels that you would see.
Reflected in a C.T.N.F.D.R.'s, we say.
I think there is at least some strength in to drive and segment. I think is emerging I think that can be offset somewhat by some weakness in the platform and refrigerated markets as the rest of the year any order season pans out net net.
C.T.P. as well positioned for.
Product standpoint from a customer mixed standpoint, twos active and who's not in the market that we'll see for 2020. So I would say I'm generally pleased with whether at and I think they've had a relatively good year opera the market that we that will that wonderful.
Okay, and maybe it's a follow up to that from from a cost perspective can you talk about what you're doing to adjust to next year's market and on that note <unk>. It would be helpful to get your thoughts around the run rate for G.N.A., It's we kinda get through this year.
Next year I, just curious how much you can kind of pull back on that front.
Yeah, So I'll I'll I'll take the first part of it I would say from costs standpoint, specifically the variable cost perspective of it labor.
Journal conversion.
You know we've been doing a very active and dynamic sales operations planning process for the last eight months and with that is planned.
Capacity adjustments not on a clip of that type.
Situation like maybe some of our competition is going through but we've been purposely planning it and adjusting it over the course of the last 18 months.
So with that said as we look at 2020 at this point, we're able to basically me what I would call forecasted production levels with al significant changes to our direct labor.
Content meeting that we can plaques with overtime accordingly, without making real structural changes to going to we're operating environment. So <unk>, we're pretty linear and how we manage variable costs going into the next period. So I think we're pretty well position there.
Yeah, and Justin I'm.
G.N.A. side, we do have <unk>, we can manage there I would tell you that as we said here today.
And what forward into into 2020, I think we have decent visibility into the first half of the year, but you know that we're in a more normal order.
Season here, that's that's gotta be really pick up in Q4, and then extend into key wants to well not a little better as we as we get into the hearing call maybe what more of the four years going to look like.
G.N.A. perspective, though I would say that you know I talked about that we're gonna move some cost out of Cogs into G.N.A. I think that'll drive Ah G.N.A. as a per cent of revenue up slightly next year and that will yeah, we'll manage that overall stand in the context of the environment were in making sure that were also.
Investing for the long term growth of a business and.
Probably have more more guidance on that and the next call.
Okay, and one last kind of final question on free cash flow converging you were in the mid seventies did this quarter I guess here today any update on how we should be thinking about that metric going forward.
Yeah, I think I'm, where you say it historically perform and we were 76% this quarter. We've been up up you know, 100% or just above 100% for some period of time, that's that's a pretty reasonable range for us I think in the fourth quarter typically we do generate a little extra free cash flow in that quarter. It's working.
Capital tends to come down <unk> and so you know I think I think in general it should be in that in that range.
Okay, Great I'll leave it at that thanks for the time.
Thanks, Justin.
Your next question comes from the line Steve.
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Talk some about 2020 and expecting you know similar to what the industry forecasters E.C.T.N.T.R. four can't see what is their their current expectations for built in 2020.
Well you have to reconcile ones doing shipments the other ones doing bill, but you know general industry is somewhere in the 265 to 275 range as we sit here right now.
Oh, and I want a relative level and obviously it breaks down by the various products segments Accordingly.
And.
It was kinda asked earlier, but do you think you can maintain or take market share in that environment, given kind of your pre planning and and what you see.
The way, we going all the way back to our industry day previous February we're positioning all the businesses to look to grow better than the market right. So.
Going to have position to business to look to execute that in 2020 remains to be say, what the price. The volume relationship will be and we still have to work through the remainder up disorder seasons really understand how will be position to do that but in general yes, I mean, we're looking to execute on.
The it has probably commercialization that we have going on what we're doing with advanced materials and then ultimately tried to drive the business towards profit growth will look to do that within the market that were given.
Yeah, I think it's maybe it's important to make this point here at this time when when you ask about a C.T.N.F.T.R. and their numbers and obviously, we're coming off a record year. This year and really the the industry itself is moving into more normalize can't sustainable levels and while it's down year over year, they're not down to.
Level that is is really on attractive for the industry, they're strong strong volume in the industry over all those should be a good market overall for the trailer industry in that to 65 to 275000 total trailers and so just wanted to make that point on the call.
And just one final.
Question on that and then I'll move on but she mentioned you know expecting to take market share and still kinda determined on price for installing previously it seemed like you guys were more focused on margins and.
And that was the bigger focus now is that shifted a little bit kinda within hands products and you know trying to go after it's more market share here or is it still similar to what it was before.
It's always a balance right and we have that it's no surprise based on what we've been sake. The last three to four years that we've continued to position to business to be stronger to really invested innovation to differentiate products and as we move into the space. The cycle. We're actually you know, we're obviously going to look to flex that.
As we move into this next market period.
Now, we're going to do that smartly and we're going to maintain price liter status as we do that so it is a dynamic balance but that that is the game plan try to maximize that relationship and and utilize the investments that we made of last three to four years to go out and and grow or business.
Great moving along to final mile.
Segment, other really really strong quarter their congrats on that.
I've been kind of your current capacity you know what's the utilization today and then do you think you have enough existing capacity today to support you know similar type girl three two in the next few quarters in years.
Yeah, So as we look at.
Both rates that that up and he has has a right and where we've seen 30 40 50 per cent growth rates on various quarters, right and we said that that exceed your expectations.
It does and we think that relative to the markets that we will be given we could continue a relative level of growth through that period.
The the capacity that we had is really untapped and that's when we talk about the point Wabash management system, that's really what we're talking about and it's in the original basis. When we when we purchased Ah the Supreme assets back and 2017.
That there was ample capacity within the existing five locations that we had.
Actively working in a sub optimal one shift orientation.
We are still predominantly working in a one shift the orientation with 30 to 30 40 50 per cent growth across the business with White limited second shift capacity utilization at this time. So yes, we we have the physical brick and mortar to grow this business at the rates that we would see over the next several years.
Yeah, and I would I would add to that that I wouldn't think of it only is is just truck body growth and we talked about the opening of the Tampa facility for up any parts and service.
There's opportunity for us to grow grow into those adjacent markets within final mile products as well and that'll be areas will will look to grow further in the future also.
[noise] and last one for me then alternate over so it looks like the new trailer shipment guidance is reduced by 1500 units at the mid point for this year can you elaborate on you know what segment or product categories those related to.
I think for first of all I tell you that we're still within the original range. We gave so we may may have lowered at the midpoint, but we are within the overall range that we we've been talking about for a few quarters here. So not you know not inconsistent with that is just normal variation in our business I think that.
If you think about it by segment, it's gonna be relatively close to what the break out between C.T.P.N.D.P.G. is on the trailer on the trailer side of the.
How I would have frame that it gets pretty equally spread across all the businesses.
No one single one.
In any way shape or form it.
And reiterate it within our our already it's kind of stated guidance. We're just typing it up a little bit and taking into account kind of the market conditions that we've got what braid activity is and you know being proven what we think that was today.
[noise] great. Thanks, Good luck.
Thanks right right.
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We have a question from the line chat costs man from a loop kept on my cats.
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Q very much good morning, and congratulations.
So quick question <unk> it looks like inventories are up relative to the direction of receivables here is that just the timing between new order flow versus current production and we should see working capital get a little bit better as the or or more of a source of cash tend to use the cash.
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We'd normalizing industry.
That's exactly right G.F. I would say that inventory is within normal variation of what we see.
Relative to production in shipments production in the quarter was 14900 units so.
So we we produced a couple hundred again, it's more than we Shepton you know obviously as we move into the fourth quarter, usually we'll call him and Tory down by the end of the year and that that inventory will you know <unk> I think inventory levels will represent that so.
Thing outside of normal variation happen in there and in any of the three components of networking capital.
Okay, and then sometimes and third quarter, it's just busy and customers can't pick up the trailer units I I saw the guidance on the trailers shipments changing a little bit but did we have that any of the any of that issue with would pick up the timing of units.
Yeah. So when you look at I'll go back to Frank dynamics, you know Uh Huh, there were some headwinds relative to freight availability going into the July timeframe into June beginning of July .
You do the first couple of weeks of August and when that occurs you because our customers pick up anywhere from 70 80 per cent. The <unk> trailers that we face when they're not moving it makes it hard for them to come up and pickup trailers. So we saw a little bit lag during that period, and then as far as all right.
Late August going into September and continuing in October we've seen each different rates pickup recording right in line with what we would expect.
Okay.
You gave unit guidance on C.T.P. and the the units and.
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Can we think about kind of where the unit count as for final mile. If we look at it may be on an annual basis instead of the quarterly kind of where are we looking to come in that.
Minutes for 2019 at this point.
Yeah, Yeah, we haven't we haven't given that guidance at this point in time, So I don't have a number in front of meet two again, but on.
On the call here today, we'll we'll certainly take that into consideration in terms of making sure that you know, we we can communicate and help the street understand the performance in the investors that business unit, but.
I think as we continue to grow and diversify that doesn't have struck by a component of it but also.
Parts and service will grow there as well and so revenue maybe a better way to look at that business. Overall when you. When you think about modeling that you know obviously, we gave total company revenue guidance for the fourth quarter. So.
Okay last question.
You know pricing was up a lot this year on units, but a lot of that was following the big increase in raw materials. We saw about a year ago could you give us an update on where raw material costs strict trending as we close this year heading into 2020 and your hope on on a industry pricing is as we begin to I guess, we use that term.
Normalize in terms of industry to map.
Sure.
Jeff is you know, we're we're hedged out through the.
Backlog and we have really through the end 2900 and hedge partially for what we've committed to already in the backlog for 2020, when we look at the overall materials curve, we see I see you know steel and aluminum I think there's a level softness.
Entering into that period right now, we'll see it really go through mid 2020.
Up a little bit in 2000, or I'm, sorry, the second half of 2021 pass the closing of the order season for 20 swing. So yeah. It provides a somewhat of an opportunity from a material margin standpoint will look to execute that and lock it in with our existing hedging practices accordingly.
It will define how much of that we're going to be able to capture accordingly read the early stages of backlog they'll know a lot more at the you're in goal.
Okay, well, thank you very much and congratulations.
Jeff Jeff.
We have no further questions that this time I was trying to call back to buy into heat for he's closing the Mike.
Thanks, Florian thanks, everyone for joining us today.
Forward to following up with you during the quarter.
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