Q1 2020 Earnings Call
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As a reminder, today's call is being recorded today. Its April 20, Threerd 2020.
Knowledge to turn the call over to Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Scott Patterson. Please go ahead Sir.
Thank you Jesse welcome, ladies and gentlemen to our first quarter conference call. Thank you for dialing in.
Jeremy Rakusin, our CFO is on the line with me today.
In terms of an agenda for the call. This morning, I'm going to open and start right into a Colgate 19 update.
Talk about the impact that pandemic is having on our businesses. The actions, we're taking and I look forward.
We will then circle back and talk to you about our Q1 results as we normally do.
Jeremy Eni in tandem.
And then Jeremy will close with a focus on our balance sheet and liquidity.
Let me start by saying that all of our businesses have been designated essential services and at least some of their geographic regions with most being granted essential status across every market.
In particular, our management janitorial security.
Restoration and fire safety businesses are delivering services that are protecting the health and safety of our customers. During this crisis.
I can tell you I am so proud and inspired by our frontline teams that show up everyday and continued to deliver on our service excellence progress.
Our customers are depending on us now more than ever and I want to personally. Thank our operating teams for their resilience and commitment during this time.
Although our services are deemed essential they're certainly not immune to the impacts of a pandemic.
Or cobot 19 did not materially affect our first quarter results, we will see a negative impact in future reporting periods.
In particular, the second quarter.
The various locked down stay at home and social distancing measures.
Our negatively impacting our ability to do work on the premises of both residential and commercial customers.
All of our service lines are being impacted with a more pronounced effect being felt within our brands Division.
Let me get a little more specific and talk about each of our divisions.
We believe our Firstservice residential division will be relatively resilient.
Most of the revenue is essential and contractual and relates to community management. Our boards are counting on us to deliver seamless management services through this period.
We will however, see declines in certain ancillary services, including amenity management project management and a number of administrative services.
And as a result, we expect year over year revenue decline in the second quarter of 10% to 15%.
The ancillary services generally carry a higher average margin. So we expect some margin dilution in Q2 versus Q2 2019.
Our first service brands Division, we will see a more pronounced year over year revenue decline, particularly as a result of our home improvement related businesses.
As mentioned it is currently very challenging for our operations to perform onsite work and generate revenue.
We expect our revenue in this division to be off 40% to 50% in the second quarter.
Excluding global restoration.
With global we will be flat to up 15%.
In terms of profit, we expect to generate a modest low to mid single digit margin in Q2.
All of our operations acted quickly and boldly in March to reduce operating costs, including headcount reductions salary cuts and deferral of all discretionary expenses.
The Q2 margin estimates I have provided include all of these mitigating measures.
We like others cannot predict the duration and severity of that pandemic and is difficult for us to see beyond Q2. In fact, I would say that may and June or not highly visible at this point.
The situation changes daily.
I will say that all of our businesses, our mobilized and planning for our return to work.
We are confident that we will respond quickly to changes in the marketplace and take full advantage of any and all revenue opportunities.
We have a long track record of success and we fully expect to get through this period of disruption and continue to build on it for years to comp.
Our performance in the first quarter was Anil another building block in that track record.
Pre Kobe and we had momentum.
Really across the board that exceeded our expectations.
Q1 results would have been even better, particularly in our brands division and as our momentum obviously did slow in March.
Total revenues were up 31% over the prior year relating primarily to the acquisition of global restoration at the end of the second quarter of 2019.
Organic growth was again, 6% this quarter spread evenly across our divisions.
EBITDA increased by 50%, reflecting a 90 basis point increase in margins.
In earnings per share were up 23%.
At Firstservice residential revenues grew by 6% all organic.
The growth was broad based geographically and balanced between contract wins and the addition of ancillary services.
At Firstservice brands revenue was up 77% due primarily to acquisitions, but supported by a very solid organic growth of 6%.
The organic growth was driven by strong results at century fire and the home improvement brands, particularly California, closets and Certapro painters.
And the results at our home improvement brands are impressive in light of the considerable headwinds they faced.
During the last two weeks of March.
I will tell you that we're very pleased with the results of our first quarter, which reflect market share gains across the board.
And strong fundamentals.
On that note I will transfer over to Jeremy for a more detailed review of our quarter and balance sheet.
Thank you Scott and good morning, everyone.
As you heard we kicked off the 2020 fiscal year with another quarter of strong financial performance.
To recap our consolidated Q1 financial results, we reported revenues of $634 million up 31% over the $486 million in the prior year quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA was $43.9 million, a 50% increase over the prior years $29.2 million.
With our margin coming in at 6.9%.
Up 90 basis points year over year, and our adjusted EPS was 37 cents, representing 23% growth over the 30 cents per share in the prior year period.
Adjustments to operating earnings and GAAP EPS in arriving at adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS, respectively are outlined in this mornings press release and are consistent with our approach and disclosures in prior periods.
Turning to our segmented financials by division.
Firstservice residential recorded revenues of $340 million up 6% over last year's first quarter.
While EBITDA was.
$23.9 million, a 9.5% increase over the prior year.
The EBITDA margin for the division came in at 7% up modestly from 6.8% last year.
And our Firstservice brands Division, we generated revenues of $294 million during the first quarter.
Up 77% over last year's first quarter, which in turn drove EBITDA of $21.9 million double the $11 million in the prior year quarter.
The division margin increased to 7.5% from last years, 6.6% level.
Due to a shift in mix of businesses within the brands portfolio.
The current quarter included contribution from global restoration with its you around operations compared to a more seasonal planes in Q1, 19, and prior years, which typically yielded lower first quarter brands margins.
Now onto a walk through our cash flow, which was strong across the board.
We generated $31 million before working capital changes, a 20%, 27% increase year over year.
Operating cash flow after working capital crimes was up even more.
56% over last year at $14 million.
Cash flow improvement is largely attributable to the reduce seasonality in our brands division versus the prior year, which I previously referenced.
As well as increased accounts receivable collection.
During the first quarter, our capital deployment was modest.
Capex in support of existing businesses was $15 million tracking in line with the annual $60 million Capex level, we provided at the outset of the year.
Scott alluded to the cost reduction in cost cash management initiatives, we have undertaken in the face of co bid 19 and that includes a review of our capital expenditures.
To capture the impact of the pandemic.
We are reducing our estimated annual capex to a level in the order of $45 million with an ability to flex either up or down as the degree and duration of the crisis plays out.
Our other leg of capital deployment acquisition spending was negligible for the quarter compared to the deal flow. We saw in Q1 2019.
The acquisition activity that we have ebbs and flows from quarter to quarter and year to year. So the more muted level. This quarter is not indicative of any longer term trend.
While the current cobot 19 environment does make it more challenging to advance our deal pipeline. We continue to be active without prospect list. So we're well positioned to further advance when travel opens up.
The combination of improved cash flow and reduced capital investment kept all of the key metrics related to our balance sheet roughly in line with the 2019 year end.
Our leverage as measured by net debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA remained flat with year end at 2.4 times.
We believe that this leverage ratio provides us with sufficient headroom compared to our maximum covenant of three and a half times.
To navigate through the coded 19 environment.
Our debt profile is also favorable.
We have an attractive low cost of funding with an average annual interest rate in the range of 3% to 3.5%.
Based on our mix of current floating and fixed rate borrowings.
All significant debt maturities are at minimum close to three years out.
With our bank revolver, having the nearest term maturity in January 2023.
And most importantly, our liquidity, reflecting our cash on hand, and our undrawn revolving credit facility balance is significant at $400 million, a little higher than it 2019 year end.
This liquidity level gives us.
Plenty of runway to withstand the negative impact of the pandemic.
Particularly given our asset light business model and abilities to generate free cash flow in a highly depressed macroeconomic environment.
That concludes our prepared comments.
That's the operator to open the call to questions at this point. Thank you.
Thank you again, if you like to ask the question. Please press Star then one on your telephone keypad to withdraw your question press the pound key with a pause just a moment to compile the acuity roster.
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Your first question comes from George different with Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Please state your question.
Good morning.
Maybe on the on the brand side of the business started off I understand this is a tough question, but how do you see the eventual I guess its trajectory of the of the recovery in the back half I guess when you can look at California, closets vis versus restoration in Britain century fire.
Maybe how you project, how you're thinking about in terms of maybe some lag there distribute ductless.
Well that is a tough question.
George can set it's hard to say I will tell you that we had.
As I said in my prepared comments very strong momentum.
Leading into this.
At Cal Closets, we were.
Building backlogs.
Really at every operation and we continue to.
Engage with our customers and provide virtual estimates and.
And virtual consultation, but we simply are unable to get out and and install the work.
But the teams are ready to go.
And.
As we are able to get back into homes.
We'll we'll start to work through that backlog and.
How quickly that happens we don't know.
And.
The longer term impact that this.
Situation has on demand.
At our home improvement brands.
Where we don't know that either.
But I can tell you that we there is.
Lead activity.
Yeah.
That is certainly down but stabilized and starting to pick up so we're hopeful.
Okay. That's helpful.
You alluded to this earlier Scott.
On the residential side, you talk a little bit about what specific service lines, maybe what end markets have been the most impacted us today.
Just wondering if you're seeing issues in all.
When it relates to collections.
Okay, so to two different questions.
With that.
At Firstservice residential our core management services can continue we we manage 8500 communities that are all expecting us to manage seamlessly through this period, So financial management collection of assessments and.
Payment of vendors and so on continues.
In many regions, we provide a full service offerings that includes janitorial and front desk visitor screening package handling security building operations all of that continues to.
Seamlessly.
But it's the management of fitness centers in spas and aquatic areas.
That they have for the most part been shut down which results in a reduction.
Of our staff.
Project management construction management, our services, we provide in many regions that slowed considerably.
And then administrative services.
Transfer and disclosure documents for example that relate to the sale of a property within our communities that that activity property simply aren't moving right now.
And so thats a fee that.
That we charged for that service that that will be down.
And so it's those services that are resulting in the reduced.
Revenue that that we're forecasting for Q2 in terms of.
The collection, a monopoly monthly maintenance fees, we havent seen any impact.
Yes, so that would be for April.
There was a little bit.
A little bit of reduction in New York, but outside of New York really.
Really nothing at this point.
That's helpful and just one last one if I may maybe the Jeremy.
As it relates to the covenants I think you called them out of three and ops.
Just wondering if in light of I guess, all up more visibility we're facing on on both segments is there an attempt at all maybe on your ends two to raise those just to be prudent.
I'm not at this point George.
We modeled on many different scenarios, but the way we see.
The outlook for Q2 in the parameters that Scott outlined shaking out.
We think it will be premature to go there we were pretty comfortable that we're going to stay within that covenant.
Obviously, it's fluid situation will keep evaluating if they were in good shape right now.
Okay. Thanks for answers.
Your next question comes from Stephen Macleod. Please state your question.
Thank you good morning, guys.
Good morning.
And just understanding obviously lots of flux of uncertainty out there was just wondering if on the first service brand side, you kind of gave.
Two sort us to set the guidance.
For Q2 or expectations for Q2, one with global restoration one without.
Can you just talk a bit about so the with and without ranged from I think down 40% to 50% to being flat to up 15% with global restoration.
Is that can you just to clarify is that because of income including global restoration. This period, where it wasnt included last year or are you actually seeing a lot higher growth from global restoration.
It's the it's the former.
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Just looking at the organic.
Year over year situation in Q2, and then layering in global which I think.
A lot of people are modeled separately or looked at separately.
Okay. Okay. That's helpful.
And just what when you break down the brands business.
You know can you talk a little bit about what you've seen kind of quarter to date by service line in terms of where you're seeing any I mean, obviously seeing lots of weakness, but where youre seeing potentially offsetting pockets of growth across the brands businesses.
I can't report any offsetting pockets of growth Steve.
Yes.
Let me talk about the home improvement brands.
As a bucket because they're all very similar.
And.
No. It's it's.
Really unusual situation in that leads are certainly off in the last.
Six weeks.
But we are.
But they are stable and I would say.
In the last couple of weeks starting to to tick up so we're engaging.
Engaging with customers.
And providing estimates and in some cases booking jobs, but.
But we are unable to.
Deliver the service.
For the most part I mean, 85% of North America has effectively been shut down so.
Before.
It starts to open up before it opens up we won't actually be able to convert into revenue.
Century fire is is pretty resilient.
To date day in those two pieces of that business.
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One tied to new construction of a 45% of revenue and that's that's off modestly, but only just modestly.
There are some construction sites that they're unable to access, but many which they they continue to work on and are deemed essential.
And as a very very strong backlog of work there so.
We will fire backup quickly on that side.
And then the other piece of the business is service inspections and repair.
That's down a little bit more.
Ironically, the less cyclical part of the business.
Simply because a lot of the customers or shutdown, so they're not getting into perform the inspections, where the where the service.
But but century fire net net is.
Off only only modestly in line with say Firstservice residential.
And then we have.
The restoration piece, which has been steady for us.
Okay.
Okay. That's that's helpful and when you when you look at when you when you the numbers you put forth for Q2.
Does that assume that the the.
You know the stability that you've seen over the more recently continues through the rest of the quarter doesn't.
Does that incorporate potentially a bit of a rebound, but just you said you're starting to see some of the home improvement business ticking up in terms of booking jobs and give you had no. We havent made it does it really does change day to day.
So we have not.
Really built any rebound in further for Q2.
Yes.
Okay. Okay. That's so that's very helpful. Thanks for that color.
And then on the Firstservice residential side.
Could you just clarify I think the numbers around 25%, but is that a fair estimate of what percentage of Firstservice residential revenues are sort of under that under pressure with respect to the transfer disclosure aquatic. Some spas is that is at the right number to think about.
Sounds Ray Jeremy Q on yes, yes that would be about right, Steve 20% to 25%.
Okay. Okay. That's okay. That's great. Thank thank you very much.
Your next question comes from Stephen Sheldon Please state your question.
Firstly I want to that kind of what transactions will be well again, because I'm sorry, if I missed this but but what trends are you seeing in residential client retention throughout the first quarter.
Especially in March and what would you expect looking into the second quarter and the rest of the year.
We had a solid first quarter in terms of retention.
In terms of sales and retention.
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Going forward I think retention will continue to be.
We'll continue to be good.
And.
Certainly I don't think boards of directors are focusing on a management change.
Through this disruption so.
So we expect that our retention will.
We'll probably improve during this period, but at the same time.
It will be harder to.
To pry accounts loosen the when get towards attention. So we're expecting our sales to.
To temper as well.
But the balance between them will probably stay.
The same.
Okay. That's helpful. And then again sorry to agreement, but can you can you restate the parameters you set up again for Q2.
For Firstservice residential.
Did you give the I missed it but I know you gave it for both residential and brands or how you brand.
Yes, firstservice residential revenues down 10% to 15%.
There will be some margin dilution because the decline in revenue is from.
Ancillary services, which on average carry a higher margin.
Brands.
Down 40% to 50% X global.
Flat to up.
15 with global.
In aggregate low to mid single digit margin.
Okay. That's helpful.
And then you know if you think about the second quarter.
I know you can you talk about furloughs and other things are there other expenses and I think you said you'd maybe caught aldrich discretionary spend the EMEA there any other expenses, we might try to rein in spending trends in the second quarter.
Yes, you did hear it even more than expected.
The answer is yes, but I will tell you that.
We we jumped on Nash.
Early.
And boldly and I must say I'm very proud of the where teams approach the situation. They faced it head on from the beginning in the approach was to err on the side of being too aggressive.
We did not know and.
Really stood still do not know.
What we're dealing with and we did not want to regret.
Being to passive about this strong I'm very comfortable with the action we've taken.
If if.
The situation declines from where it is today.
We will have to take further action.
Okay, I think we've done the right thing to date.
Got it alright, thank you very much.
Your next question comes from severe associate please state your question.
Thanks, Good morning, just firstly typically in residential what are the ballpark margins for I guess, the core property management business. Its first is the more ancillary services.
Jeremy I'll pass it yeah.
So my everything around property management and the site its.
Staff at everything labor, it's kind of 8% to 10%.
Order of magnitude and.
On the on the more transaction related services.
30%, plus and an incremental would be higher than that but just as a current base be a in that order. So it is much more significant than the labor services.
Right, Okay. Thanks for that.
I'm not sure if I missed it but just stuff can go over how the global and Paul Davis businesses have done post the shutdown period.
So there are a little different but.
They had a global certainly had a solid first quarter, which was generally.
In line with its prior year keep in mind, we did not own global.
In Q1 of last year, but.
Organically year over year was generally in line last year. They had some hurricane work in Q1 carryover and if you normalize for that.
Global was up.
On a net organic basis, and we fall that closely because it really measures our progress with.
With national accounts.
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Global has benefited from commercial co bid work.
Which has picked up.
Considerably in April.
And in addition, I think there's an expectation that reopening in return to work.
Might amplify that and lead to more specialist.
Disinfectant services and initial deep clean.
In commercial process that's for thanks.
And all that will help too.
Offset the decline in weather related claims which have.
Which have been down for a few quarters nano and certainly Paul Davis has been feeling that as well.
The impact of Coldwell, Paul Davis does have also kobin related work.
It has been more significantly impacted.
Because its business is primarily residential.
And they have hundreds and hundreds of jobs that have been.
Effectively paused.
Because they are in homes and and they've had to pull out.
So.
Residential claims of were down all quarter, and we expect that to continue through Q2.
Okay. Thanks, that's helpful and just lastly from me, but.
Bigger picture question I mean, obviously your business has evolved and diversified quite a bad I'm looking at the.
Evolution, how do you see I guess, the Companys positioning today as you know better being able to go through the current.
Downtime where versus maybe a few years ago.
Well I think that we have continued to diversify our business and.
The addition of global has certainly helped we did not envision anything like this when we're making that acquisition I mean.
We we love the opportunity that we have been in restaurant restoration, both residential and commercial.
But it is it will serve us well through through this period.
Other than that were just.
We're just better.
Across the board and have.
Differentiated ourselves relative to our competitors.
And more substantially and I think that.
You know when many of our businesses our leadership position is shining through.
In the current environment and and we expect that we will emerge.
In a better position competitively.
Where we believe that our teams are delivering right now.
Sounds good I'll turn it back thank you.
Your next question come Daryl Young please state your question.
Good morning, guys.
Morning.
My questions on the M&A landscape I'm, just looking out past the coded period. If you are seeing or you expect to see an increasing the number of opportunities out. There is some of your competitors may or may have struggled more through this through this reduced activity level period.
On on both residential and on the brand side, specifically I'm, taking some of the private equity players in the in the.
Restorations goods yeah.
Well, there theres that group.
But theres also there were really the broad.
Group of our competitors.
We operate and fragmented markets, so really in every and every business.
Our competitors are primarily small family owned businesses.
And I would say that they are.
Generally very nimble and very entrepreneurial and our resilient group.
But this is an unusual time and they are not as well capitalized as as we are.
And some won't make it.
And some may well be more amenable to acquisition.
We will we will be very.
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I guess, a aware and and.
And alert for those opportunities, we're not seen as yet it's still early.
But.
We maintain communication with.
A group of these companies and we have for years and years in years, and we will continue to and it's a very respectful relationship.
And so we'd like to think that when those family do get to that point, where it's it's time for them to exit and that.
We'll be that call that they make.
In terms of the private equity restoration.
Companies those are all relatively new investments and I expect that.
It was businesses are well capitalized and will be formidable competitors for us and then over the next few years.
Okay, Great. That's a that's all the questions for me. Thanks.
Thanks.
Okay.
Your next question comes from Marc Riddick. Please state your question.
Hi, Good morning, gentlemen, and forgive me I took a little while to get into the into the call. So may have missed a little bit. The first few minutes there, but I did want to go over just a similar question to the last one plus about wanted to see if you could give an update on your views as to the general acquisition plans behind the.
The company owned brands and kind of where you want to get to with California, Closets and and Paul Davis is what did you give an update as to your thoughts on that as well as you know whether you'd be in a position too it seems as though your financially into position to act should company owned brand opportunities arise during.
The downturn was a one to get your thoughts on that.
We believe we are in a position to act.
Practically its.
It's tough to it will be tough to close deals in this environment until until travel opens up just in terms of completing our.
You know adequate due diligence and.
Develop relationships with the principles and so on.
But we're doing what we can we're certainly working.
On our on our pipeline and continuing to prospect and add to it.
As it relates to the to the company owned at Cal Closets, and Paul Davis, those a long term strategies, we continue to work on them.
They will be paused I think for a few months here for the reasons I just articulated but.
You know as I as I said in response to the earlier question some of.
Some of the.
The franchises that.
That we ultimately would would like to own. This this may.
Helpless.
In those in those discussions or otherwise accelerate discussions.
Okay. Thanks for that and then I did want to follow up with thoughts on kind of the it seems as though given where we are with unemployment and jobs being interrupted would not be I was wondering if it's maybe give some thought or some summit some comments around.
In the past when things are going you know really really well. It was a it was fairly hard to get get hold of of good help and and so I wanted to get a general sense of you know maybe if there's an opportunity to.
Be in a more advantaged position than maybe some of your peers and how you might be thinking about you know HR opportunities coming out of the downturn. Thank you.
Yeah. That's it's an interesting question on that.
It's on our mine, but.
First and foremost we have many people that have been furloughed and we want to get them back.
Get them back working and get them back to two to four weeks and full hours.
And then.
We have the opportunity to bring on others. We would certainly look to that and I think I think you're right. It's probably an environment, where there are opportunities for us to add quality talent.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Your next question comes through Frederic Bastien. Please state your question.
Hey, good morning, I apologize if you are covered this already but I also weighted to get on the columnist is volume Commons.
What cost signals are you getting from clients and customers right. Now are they are they all saying they want to back once the restrictions are lifted or you are you starting to see some some hesitation on their part.
I don't think we're seeing any hesitation, but.
We.
Our certainly.
Revising our protocols around service delivery.
And before you get back and I'm thinking about in.
Residential homes, primarily but it goes across the board, we will want to communicate very clearly with that customer and share with them.
Our Esso peas, and new protocols in the new environment.
And.
And that the work on on revising.
All of that is.
Is taking place we have to ready.
Our.
Installation teams and paying crews for a revised.
Process that.
Ensures their safety, but also.
Ensures the safety of our customers so.
All right. Thanks Kyle.
Again, if you like to ask questions. Please press Star One. Your next question comes from Mt. Logan. Please state your question.
Thank you and good morning.
More than that.
Just following up on the M&A related question.
Can you talk about your own willingness to deploy capital over the next two or three quarters would you say this is on hold or do you know is this is there a limit or are you only looking at the stats distressed opportunities in the near term.
Certainly not looking.
At distressed opportunities and less they happen to line up strategically.
But there are some.
We have priorities in terms of our acquisition strategy.
And.
So we would.
We're not pushing the pause button absolutely.
We would look to try to if we have one of our high priority targets.
One or engage and close we would we would look to try and find a way to do that.
Appreciate that and maybe just changing gears would you be able can provide and the.
Metrics around the quantum of you know savings from furloughs.
And the operating expense reductions.
Yeah, I can give you a few numbers and then I'll pass it over to Jeremy but.
Both 3200 people in total have been a furloughed or had there.
Hours reduced.
Over 500.
With salary cuts and and.
On average significant cuts.
And then a number of.
A number of terminations, Jerry maybe if you want to.
Provide dollars on past you yeah sure Matt Yeah in terms of annualized impact roughly on personnel cost reductions around 40 million and then we've got some other stuff you know t. any marketing other things, where we're cutting too that's on an annualized basis, obviously, we're going to flex.
And see how long. This plays out you know that could be reduced furloughs you for example.
We've got a potentially people that will bring back in in 90 days call. It a if we see.
An uptick in activity.
Okay.
Appreciate the commentary, maybe just providing a bit of a base for 29 team as we think about going forward.
Would you be able to tell us the.
29 team and trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA, if you would own global restoration toward the full period.
And well when we when we do our leverage ratios if I understand your question correctly, Matt like the 2.4 times now I'm includes the.
The impact of global for the period that we've owned it and.
We get a 12 month window on all of acquisition. So we acquired this at the end of June So there would be another quarter of of global.
Built into that 2.4 times leverage is that your question.
Yeah. So I guess, if I just take your debt debt and multiply that by 2.4 that would give me the related EBITDA. If you don't global for the full year correct.
The other tuck Unders correct.
Plus the tuck unders.
And I guess last one from me before I turn the floor back when we look go to 2021 and 2022.
Can you give us any insights from the GFC in terms of you know what your experience was then and if there's any read through is that you think might be rolled it for investors in the current environment.
Scott here I, you know I don't know where to start on that.
This is so different.
So on I'm I'm going to pass.
Alright, Jeremy.
Okay.
Well I appreciate your commentary, regardless and commend you for providing some color on Q2 and the financials there Ed.
Thanks, Matt.
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Okay, well listen thank you for joining us today I wish you all good health in the coming months.
And we look forward to updating you in late July on our Q2 call.
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