Q1 2020 Earnings Call

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Hello, and welcome to and legal Corp.'s first quarter 2020 financial results Conference call. Please note. Today's event is being recorded all participants will be in listen only mode. So do you need assistance. Please take note of conference specialist by pressing does.

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After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity for analysts to ask a question to ask a question you May Press Star then one on your telephone keypad withdraw. Your question. Please press Star then too on the on the call today, our Dan mom door.

Chairman and CEO, Steve Smith, you may be and Chief Financial Officer, Ashish Sharma, President of I O T mobile solution.

Dot Com E VP of operations in customer success. When they go. So this is Keith marketing officer, and head of Investor Relations Young well, then senior Vice President of Enterprise, So Bill Lucia.

During this call non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed we conciliation to most to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, which is available on the Investor section of the company's website, an audio replay of this call will.

Also be archived there.

Please also be advised the today's discussion will contain forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are not historical fact, but rather a based on the companys current expectations and beliefs for discussion of factors that could cause actual results could differ materially from expectation.

Please refer to the risk factors described the now form 10-K.

And 10-Q and other S E C filing which are available on our website. Please also refer to the cautionary note regarding forward looking statements suction contained in todays press release.

I'd now like to turn the conference, we'll look to Dan Mom door, Chairman and CEO. Please go ahead.

Hello, and thank you for joining us today.

On behalf of everyone I didn't say go or walk to extend our thoughts and prayers to the families affected by the global pandemic.

Well these are challenging times for almost every organization.

And then it could affect again she goes business in some extraordinary to wage.

Cope with my history, the way millions of people work learn that connect a vital services remotely such as to what else.

HM East.

These factors are driving much higher demand for Fourg, and Fiveg might far mobile Hotchpotch ansgar's products.

We didn't see feel fortunate to be in that position we are today.

Environment highlights the value of our products to our customers and to society as a whole.

Our operations and supply chain team is doing a great job responding to the unprecedented surge in demand from operators worldwide by ramping up supply with speed and efficiency.

The rolling demand started in early March with domestic operators in the latter part of March International operators followed suit.

In the first quarter. She go revenue totaled 56.8 million, which is well above our fourth quarter revenue of 52.3 million and keep in mind.

But the first quarter really only experienced a week or two of elevated order demand from our carrier customers.

Importantly, we've been experiencing higher gross margins in our flagship our European mobile solutions business, which will contribute to improve.

Through the year.

This helped drive a very important milestone this quarter by achieving positive operating cash flow.

We are seeing increased demand for our my fault in 1000, Fiveg Hotchpotch with orders ahead of plan.

This device has four g. gigabit LTE is backup.

Which continues to be important given the growing demand for Standalone fourg devices.

In addition, the importance the party has been highlighted given dramatic network capacity demands.

During the pet.

As a result carry deployment discussions have accelerated both here in the U.S. and globally.

And more on that in a moment.

Well last point, which I think it's important to keep in mind about our progress.

Currently we were shipping a single product predominately too right.

And I'm pleased to announce that we're now shifting more products.

And our Fourg and Fiveg.

To all the major operators in the U.S., all major operators in Canada, as well as international operators in EMEA and APAC.

Many of these carriers are relatively little customers. So we're still at an early stage of revenue growth.

But in many of these cases are fiveg discussions have expanded to now include first time sales of our Fourg devices.

We believe this will improve our position or fiveg efforts as our customers were realized performance quality and reliability benefits of our fourg devices in the near term.

Given all this.

Reiterating our Q2 revenue outlook in the range of 75 to 85 million.

We strengthened our supply chain in 2019 to prepare for the anticipated increases in volume of our products driven primarily by global Fiveg network rollout.

We move manufacturing from four small contract manufacturers in China to a tier one partner Foxconn in Taiwan.

And contracted with a logistics supplier, who uses their own planes, allowing us to secure dedicated cargo space.

Additionally, we have qualified second sources for most of the teller <unk>, most material and implemented new internal processes to quickly respond to changes in customer demand.

These are improvements have given us a competitive advantage and enabled our supply chain to quickly ramped production.

In response to the ongoing levels.

There was a growing body of evidence that the work from home surge isn't a onetime event.

Many organizations are seeing the benefits of remote work and are adjusting their policies accordingly.

Over 60% of U.S. employees are now working from home and about 74% of the Cfos recently surveyed by Gartner expects some of their employees to continue working remotely and will be the new normal.

Many large organizations across all industries, private private and public Barclays Citigroup Zillow nationwide to name a few.

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There's also been a seismic shift in how healthcare is delivered.

C N D. C has reported that telehealth visits surge, 50% in March and virtual visits could top 1 billion. This year.

So dramatic increases reported by large health care providers, including Kaiser Permanente, Cleveland clinic, Novo and others.

It's a tipping point and tele health adoption is millions of patients become comfortable with virtual visits and embrace this mode of consultation.

Until schools can reopen safely the federal government is working through increased funding for online learning technology, including home broadband connectivity.

Oh, Hey, learning is a powerful tool for both students and workers, who need job training and evidence also points to its continuing to it continuing.

Additionally, millions of students have no high speed Internet access at home and mobile hotspot is provide an economical plug in place pollution.

Well, we wrap up production of our existing products, we continue to work closely with mobile operators around the world.

They begin to launch their fiveg networks in the second half.

And these launches remain on track.

In fact, the current dynamic with much higher data traffic on wireless networks underscores the need for more fiveg capacity.

Stopper out some offers up stated publicly that they are increasing network capital expenditures accelerating rollouts and expanding its a newly available spectrum.

Continue to monitor progress.

As a reminder, our second generation Fiveg products support sub six gigahertz and millimeter wave and cat 22, Fourg LTV to deliver robust cellular network coverage.

This portfolio also includes the latest why five six technology.

We expect five mobile hotspot and free fixed wireless fiveg launches with six carriers across the globe in the second half of this year with for North America, One in Europe, and one in Asia Pacific.

Some of these operators deploying multiple fiveg products.

Our extensive fixed wireless portfolio includes both millimeter wave and sub six solutions to support both indoor and outdoor use case deployments.

We're also pleased to announce that we have secured an award for our newest software as a service product Inseego connect.

With a tier one mobile operator in the U.S. as part of their Fiveg launched this year.

Siegel connect is a cloud based service, which provides device configuration monitoring analytics and other capabilities.

We're also making good progress in our industrial Aiotv business.

Including the recent launch of our skies 160 gateway it powerful LT device that addresses a wide range of use cases from SD Wan to remote monitoring to factory automation.

The Skytouch 160, a certified for use on the Verizon and HFC networks and supports the global bands required for EMEA and APAC.

The Sky is 160 is also supported by our new single connect cloud solution.

Moving to our enterprise SaaS solutions.

Our sheet truck business is growing steadily according to this quarter a fleet unit installations in South Africa in two years and the addition of new partners in Australia, New Zealand and the Netherlands.

We also extended our contract with a major customer in the aviation industry KLM equipment services.

And despite the plan run off of the unprofitable consumer business achieved over 70% year over year growth in constant currency.

Our mobile operator device management solution Dms.

Also continues to add new enterprise and government subscribers at a rapid clip.

Increasing by 370000 subscribers in March alone.

Turning to our strategic initiatives, we mentioned in our prior earnings call that we began efforts to deepen our relationships with the U.S. government to increase awareness of Inseego as a U.S. supplier to the administration's objective of the secure Fiveg network ecosystem.

Given the scale of potential opportunities, we want an executive to lead that effort and have recently appointed former can see go senior executive Chris Litle as head of government affairs, including our initiatives in the education sector.

Now I'll turn the call over to Steve to discuss to discuss our financial results Steve.

Thank you Dan and good afternoon, everyone. I would also like to offer my thoughts to all the families affected by cold in 19 around the world. This is truly an unprecedented time is we're all working and schooling from home and social doesn't say.

I'll jump right into my comment.

We're very pleased with the results of the quarter Q1 revenue was $56.8 million. This is up 17% year over year and 9% sequentially [noise].

Turning to the results of our business units first quarter I OTN mobile revenue was.

$40.4 million up 23% from Q1 last year and 14% [laughter].

Sequentially from Q4 reflect the initial surge starting in March associated with the work from home demand.

We said demand increase in our Fourg and Fiveg My finance guys products with much of the increase for our flagship.

Gee products.

[noise] Q1 enterprise SaaS solutions revenue was 16 and a half million.

Approximately 4% versus the same period last year enterprise SAS includes both see track and Dms.

Relative to changes on the balance sheet in Q1, we converted 60 million of the 5.5% senior convertible note for equity significantly, reducing our debt balance and cash interest expense.

We restructured the term loan extending the maturity to March 21, and making all interest payments in series E preferred.

We also successfully raised 25 million in a preferred stock transaction with Mubadala capital what is the largest and most sophisticated sovereign wealth funds.

These actions together substantially bolster our cash position and reduced our debts cash debt service by approximately 7.8 million annually.

From this point forward I'll focus on non-GAAP measures reconciliation from GAAP to non-GAAP is detailed in our earnings release.

For the Io gene mobile business gross margin was 19.4% for the quarter up 4.4 points compared to last quarter and up 2.9 versus the same period last year.

As we previously stated we are expecting continued improvements in I O GM mobile gross margins driven by three factors first.

Is there a continued work to reduce or manufacturing costs, which we treat as a continuous process.

One is our improving product mix shift fourg mobile devices to Fiveg, and I O T products, which carry more attractive margins.

Third as the overall benefit of scale as we spread or costs were a much larger production volumes.

Well the expanded order volumes, we have been able to reduce costs to date and expect to achieve a full 200 plus basis points quarter over quarter improvement in our existing fourg portfolio driving those products.

Into the mid to high Twentys [noise].

Enterprise SaaS gross margins of 61.3%.

Was down 70 basis points from last quarter, and about 200 basis points from a year ago, mainly due to the currency headwinds already mentioned.

Total company gross margins in the first quarter.

Were 31.5% up about a 140 basis points sequentially, well, we had significantly well we had a significant improvement in the I O T mobile gross margins be overall product mix compress the consolidated gross margin percentage.

Q1, Opex was 22.8 million compared to $21.8 million in Q4, R&D expenses of 7.9 million I was 400000 lower than last quarter, given new carriers or.

Given new carrier certifications and as we bring on new service providers with new products, there will be some lumpiness in this number.

Sales and marketing expenses grew 500000 to 8.3 million substantially all of this increases related to headcount additions to build out or marketing product management and the international sales footprint.

DNA expenses were 6.6 million the increase reflective of yearly charges associated with the annual audit [noise].

In the corporate finance initiatives highlighted earlier.

Headcount was 977 at the end of March 39 people from the yearend 2019, we expect head count will be will increase only modestly going forward.

To fill a handful of key positions and international sales and product engineering.

Our Q1, non non-GAAP net loss was 5.7 million or six cents per share.

Compares to a loss of 8 million or 10 cents per share last quarter.

Adjusted EBITDA for Q1 was a loss of $1.7 million as compared to $2.1 million positive for Q1, 19, and even to last quarter I OTN mobile solutions had a pro forma adjusted EBITDA.

Loss of 1.9 million and enterprise SaaS solutions had a positive pro forma adjusted EBITDA.

3.2 million.

As Dan mentioned in his opening remarks, we achieved an important milestone by.

By being operating cash flow positive in Q1.

And with the continuation of the business trends that we see today in our four.

Our fourg and Fiveg business, and our improving gross margins [noise].

And managing all our other expenses, we expect to be operating cash flow positive for 2020.

Moving to the second quarter as discussed.

We continue to see significant orders for our flagship Forgie [noise].

And Fiveg my find mobile hotspot from existing as well as new customers.

As Dan mentioned, we anticipate any revenue range of $75 million to $85 million.

With that I'll turn the call back over today. Thank you.

Thanks, Steve.

I want to close by thanking our employees, who like millions of others in the private and public sector had been working from home.

Our people had been amazing.

Rising to the challenge and their productivity and spirits are very high.

So you go Fiveg product launch timelines remain on track.

I also want to thank our supply partners.

Well I've worked with us hand in hand to respond to the dramatic increase in production to meet the demand surge.

Finally, I applaud all mobile network operators, who are increasing capacity, increasing data limits and donating devices to help keep everyone connected.

With that will turn it to Q and <unk>.

We will now begin the question and answer session. So that's good question you. My Press Star then one on your telephone keypad. If you use it just speakerphone. Please pick up your hand said before passing the key.

So with all your question Chris to press Star then to at this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble a roster.

Our first question is from Mike Walkley from Canaccord Genuity go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions and hope everybody is doing well in the call.

Hi, Dan question for you just just on how supply coming together to support your guidance for the June quarter is there any supply issues you may be limiting upside to to the current to midpoint of the guidance.

She just see how your supplies come along with the first question. Thanks.

Yeah, Thanks, Mike well, Firstly Foxconn is a terrific partner and me immense scale to stand up production lines run.

Double triple shifts on extra production lines and of course.

Incredible procure material procurement capabilities.

And in fact, we I think we've got most of Fox gone working on material procurement for Inseego right now.

So they have they have an incredible scale the raw material supply in China really as fully recovered.

Fox gone or contract manufacturer is tight in Taiwan is been extraordinarily low case of <unk> number cases, a covert 19, I think it's not even yet it's 500 so.

The supply from China, the production capability Foxconn procurement and their production lines continuity in Taiwan is really put us in great shape. So no. We're not seeing any any demand limitations supply imitation is currently to the level of demand were C.

Great. Thanks, and just just building on that for for the guidance for Q2 or any of the second generation Fiveg products and that's a guidance or is that more starting in Q3, and how's that pipeline shaping up.

So maybe that your business is still strong post the the channel so going on now for the work at home trend.

Yeah. So as we've said in the past or second generation Fiveg products are launching in the second half of this year so to your first point.

Yeah, we continue to engage on a very broad front with.

With dozens of operators a we've talked previously about the size of the overall fiveg pipeline.

In terms of our engagements the volume of RF peas, and that number is it 50 in county.

We're in over 20, I think it's 21 now active trials with that with customers for Fiveg products in all regions and as I commented. It commented earlier, we have plans to launch.

Mobile hotspot as well as our fixed wireless access fiveg devices with.

With a total of six operators and some are something more than one product from our portfolio, which is terrific. So the pipeline has very strong engagements are in fact, increasing so we feel very comfortable where we are.

Great. Thanks last question for me I'll pass it on just just Steve on the gross margin just wanted to make sure. It's clear you're indicating maybe up 200 basis points sequentially and then as the new Fiveg products ramp how should that help the overall gross margin profile, maybe in the back half Didier. Thank you.

Yeah, Hey, Thanks, Mike you you got the you got it right we are expecting.

Continued.

Let me call and cost reductions are our operations team in concert with Foxconn is doing a great job.

Working cost reductions on.

Parts throughout our portfolio on the on the five GE front.

The Fiveg products will command, a higher gross margin than the existing fourg portfolio, so that will help as well.

Yes.

Thank you very much.

Thank you Mike Thanks, Mike I'm.

Our next question, it's some Jason Smith.

Lake Street go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions Dan I know in your prepared remarks, you noted that Q1 only accounted for a few weeks of sorry. This increasing hotspot demand based on what you guys are you seeing I do you think you need demand overall is being pulled into the first half of this here or do anything there.

The sustainable throughout 2020.

Well, yeah, Thanks, Jason Hi, or you know all the evidence that we have from all the discussions we're having and Theres frankly.

Tons of bodies of of research out there a in surveys.

We really have called it demand surge as opposed to a spike in demand because we see it.

Continuing on and our overall demand levels will plateau at a new higher level now we're not providing outlook for the second half. We gave we gave the outlook for the out for Q2.

I've 75 to 85 million you can obviously.

No look at the how substantial that increase is.

And we're working on on that you know beyond that I don't think anyone can say for sure.

As far as forecasted demand, but all the indications that we have is that it will continue.

At <unk> at a higher level than before and as we work through you know may and get into June and July will then have a more visibility on on purchase order levels and that sort of thing, but I will say, it's a rolling demand.

Started in early March and and then the latter part of March International operates are literally we had only a couple of weeks where the demand was reflected you know one or Q1 results.

But orders continue to come in they are continuing to the day, they're continuing to roll in and so all I can tell you right now as I have no I see no sign of it abating.

And time will tell as we get further in in this quarter, we'll see we'll see where that goes but as I said, all the signs point that way.

Okay. That's helpful. And then it could you could provide a little more color on sort of what drove the story in South Africa and to see track business.

Sure well, we've drugs on the line I'll ask him to jump in with the Kinda Secondly, just let me kind of a just you just lead it off here, we started implementing turnaround efforts in both South Africa, and Australia New Zealand.

Well over a year ago, new sales leadership.

New sales and marketing tools, just strengthening the go to market side of the equation. So there's been really an overall turnaround.

Including the business later in South Africa that this led to that as well as the great efforts of John Weldon, leading that team. So John maybe you could just add a couple of comments to this.

Sure Dan Thank you I.

I think the only two things I would add to dan's comments or product market fit there were couple of things that we released last year in terms of video cameras and can't bus related items that got us into a couple of new segments and then the other thing is we did a better job and business development with partnerships, so more people referring to sleep.

We tend to we have a tendency to close a much higher percentage of warm leads so the two of those things really drove a much stronger fleet business in Q1 of this year relative to what we had Q1 of last year.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, a lot guys.

Thanks, Jason.

Our next question is from Mike Latimore from Northland Capital markets go ahead.

Great. Thanks, Thanks congratulations.

Excellent.

It was all now look.

I guess as you start watching your new Fiveg product, but also support for GE you know what will be the mix of those new products do you think in the in the third quarter will that be predominantly these newer products or will still be kind of you know a traditional fourg products given the work from home and a man.

Yeah. So thanks bike you know prior to covert 19, I would have given or an answer that was a certainly put more waiting in the mix to fiveg and then fourg.

You know as we look into the second half of the year you know we haven't provided an overall outlook.

We do expect a much higher volume of four G.. We we saw previously so it will depend on the size of the ramp of Fiveg and it will depend on the continuation of the covert 19 demand surge ended the second half. So I would say, it's an uplift certainly from what we were expecting info.

Org and as we launch these fiveg products and importantly, the early days of launches stocking orders always happen prelaunch. So that's another factor is come into play so hard to say really hard to say, but we see a rising tide in both fourg and fiveg.

Got it.

On the fixed wireless launches.

Did those customers have a good sense of of volume if it gets something like the mix of hot spots versus fixed wireless or is it literally is that.

Yeah, well that I, just talked about the pipeline of operators and.

All the RFP is we've been responding to and continue GE over the last.

12 months plus.

So they have definitive plans, we engage with the operators across our portfolio or Fiveg hot spots are fixed wireless indoor outdoor sub six millimeter wave. So the portfolio really can address any of those needs yeah, and we are seeing operator selecting.

In both our hotspot and our fixed wireless that we mentioned launched in the second half. So yeah. They they have very specific plans it depends on what they're going to start off with I will say this I will say this for sure we're seeing incredible incredible demand for fixed wireless products HM I said it in a prior.

Call, we expect fixed wireless to be 60% of the overall five G. You know market demand overtime, and we're certainly seeing evidence of that.

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Great and then what just last one the D N D. M.S. subscriber growth maybe you touched on this but what was that what was the catalyst for that kinda sequence Europe.

Well it is it yeah. It is a platform that is really manages the manages the this subscriptions are portals for for a tier one carrier to run operator, you know for their enterprise and government business. So it's sort of how they got the how they manage the procurement and such.

Devices for us through this portal and so in March I'm, probably not surprisingly the covert 19 surge in demand for any form of wireless devices. You know it was a big part of that.

Got it okay.

Thanks, a lot.

Thanks, Mike.

Our next question it seems that Therell from Roth capital go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions My apologies I got on the call a couple of minutes late so I apologize. If this is redundant, but first Steve on the Opex. It sounds like you're hiring you've gone through the major portion of your hiring cycle, but there's still a lot of certifications that are ongoing. So did you give any sequential guidance in terms of how you expect opex.

To be into follow up on Mike's earlier questions around the gross margin profile given all the mix the new products in Fiveg kind of coming into the second half do you expect mobile in I O T to exit the year closer to 30% in terms of gross margins and also if you had any.

Color commentary or mix for the first quarter related to Fiveg your fixed wireless access in the quarter would be helpful. And then a couple of follow ups.

Yeah, well well, that's a that's a mouthful Uh huh.

[laughter] single in a single question. So let me start with the let me start with the Op Ed.

And so on the Opex side.

As far as our hiring that that is a.

Plateaued, a bit will probably higher several you know like I pointed out a handful of dispositions a to further build out our international sales organization in any kind of critical skills you need on the engineering side now as far as the what I characterize is lumpiness in the certifications.

As we sort of find new products new service providers.

You know each of those products requires a certification and so that's where we'll see.

The the Opex move up and down on the in engineering.

HM, but the rest of it will be more or less stabilized at this point and then towards the end of the year, probably coming down a little bit on a on the gross margin.

Yeah, we're seeing on their fourg portfolio, we've had a very.

Some a lot of good work done as far as lowering the product costs and that's ongoing as we pointed out in the past we've got prescribed cost reduction coming from a foxconn and <unk> on an ongoing basis, so quarter after quarter, we've done pretty much.

We can see them coming.

As we look forward and we beat the man [laughter] as well as far as Fiveg, yes, it will have a higher.

Gross margin as far as a.

30% will be approaching that towards the end of the year and there again it'll depend on the product mix as Dan pointed out we've got a lot more fourg product that we're selling and beyond the fourg product, while the margins are improving.

They won't be.

Over 30% they'll be mid to high Twentys Gotcha, very very helpful and maybe to follow up just in terms of the surging in the rolling demand that you're seeing for mobile hotspot could you give us an idea of what linearity maybe has looked like in kind of March and April nearly portion of May here and then I I know, it's been asked a couple of different ways.

Looking into the second half, but is the level of mobile hotspot sit you're seeing in the second quarter is that basically the plateaued that we should be thinking about before starting to layer on a fixed wireless like access opportunities in new carriers.

In the in the back half of this year.

Yeah, well Scott you know as they said, we we've discussed rolling demand and it continues we continue to get a purchase orders come in and sizable chunks.

So it's hard to see you know really that far into the future and so we're really focused on what we've got now and what we're working on supplying I think as we move into into June well get a better picture of what Q3 looks like and so I think anyone that you.

Can talk to is not going to declare they know exactly how the rest of the year is going to play out.

I guess again, we point to the evidence and we point to the [laughter] the purchase orders just continuing to come in.

So we've been a C. Early March no two months later, it's continuing.

Time will tell time will tell and you know we would provide an outlook for the second half if if we had the confidence the information it probably this point would be a pretty wide range, but.

Suffice to say they surge in demand and what we think will be the demand level plateau at a new higher level, then looking back in the quarters.

Plus five G. I think is going to make for a hell of a second half of this your.

Great very helpful and lastly, if I could on the fixed wireless access Ron.

Could you provide just a little bit more color in terms of the timing or these you're expecting this to ramp up in the third quarter in the fourth quarter and maybe thinking about the different carriers. You know Verizon has talked about launching 10 markets in 2020 could you give us some maybe color in terms of the size the magnitude the market's pops covered or otherwise and.

How aggressive this is gonna be or it sounds like given the backlog is well certainly 2021 is going to be a much bigger year, but how that progresses in the second half and I don't know Theres a number that you would hang out there in terms of fixed wireless access revenues in the second half, thanks and nice quarter.

Thanks Scott.

Yeah, well, we haven't but we Havent delineated you know Q3 Q4, we've talked about second half a there will be mobile hotspot.

And six whereas launching in Q3 and some others launching in Q4, we're not going to you know a you know provide that level of detail. It's certainly going to roll forward, where we're seeing incredible demand and we think as I said earlier, it's going to be probably the predominant part of the overall.

You know fired unit volume if you want to look at it that way big time from international operators, we have incredible engagements with.

Just dozens of international operators and their interest in fixed wireless they're also interested our mobile hotspot, but I think the fixed wireless playbook.

He is going to be if you look at it in totality more in international play in aggregate since your number of operators than than it is North America, but yeah certainly.

Ladies and 18, T. and Tim the New T mobile I'm sure.

You know looking at rolling out that technology.

Great. Thank you.

Thanks Scott.

Our next question is from Black Bean telephone is impossible from Cowen go ahead.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions.

Nice quarter.

You mentioned that you're saying you know you're shipping to nine or 10 major carriers right now, but I think you'd said that most of them remain at kind of introductory volumes, which makes sense do any of these carriers in your opinion have the potential to eventually become as relevant at save Horizon has been do you historically in terms of not only end user demand, but also.

Your eventual share position.

Yeah, Hi, once thanks for the question well I guess [laughter] the short answer to a on a relative basis is yes, we're not naming a bunch of names in there because Ah you know that's the service providers news to launch, but some of them of course.

No we've made some announcements and others, we're not yet announcing but.

No we've gone from predominantly rising only to 11.

11 carriers now.

In a basically all regions. So yeah, the subscriber protect count potential which is always the figure of merit I look at is the revenue potential certainly is a is in excess of of what Verizon is by far.

[noise]. Instead, then what are the critical path items that need to be accomplished to get from year to there is there anything that you can be doing to speed up the ramp or does it just take time for comfort level to build with with the newer carriers.

Well you know they all have their own onboarding process. It. It is a pretty extensive product I always liken. It to go for launch now now so with all the you go down the road [laughter]. The guys are the terminals.

So it's a very is a very orchestrated it's a very formal it's a very regimen and process.

And you know it just takes time, but it's it's their process not ours I'm. So we're there to support them to do all the things we need to do certainly.

You know the product training and education, all the testing of course, but then the stocking order so they're ready to launch and have volume supply whether it be retail online or through their enterprise sales force.

Our ability to [laughter] to speed that up I would be I would be less than sincere. If I said, yes, we could we can push that Ford. They it's a very deliberate it very carefully managed process and they're all similar some operators are faster summer summer you don't take longer so it just sort of the answer it depends.

Fair enough.

Well, maybe just a question Greg even and then I'll wrap up here, but you mentioned, obviously your operating cash flow positive in the quarter at for the full year, but what about a total free cash flow. I know you had you know for now 5 million Oh kinda capitalize more do you need software et cetera in the quarter do you separate pieces.

These investments to continued throughout the course of a year or you know what should we sort of be thinking about in terms of your actual free cash flow you know hurdle for the full year.

So let me put it this way Atlanta, we expect the cash we have on hand to classes to free cash flow positive overall.

And that helped you out.

So no tools to adjust and the pass Okay fair enough guys. Thanks, very much for taking the questions.

Thank you last labs.

This concludes our question and answer session I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dan Mondo for closing remarks.

Yes, thank you operator.

So just a couple of final remarks with numerous fiveg customer launches in the second half combined with the unanticipated demand search and our expectation of a new normal post covert 19, we see this year as a groundbreaking here for Inseego.

So thanks again, everyone.

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation you may now disconnect.

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