Q2 2020 Bruker Corp Earnings Call
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I'd like to welcome everyone to brokers second quarter 20, Twond <unk> earnings Conference call.
My name is no Squalamine Cola director Investor Relations and corporate development.
Joining me on today's call, our Frank Louthan, our president and CEO and Delcarmen, our Chief Financial Officer.
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[music] will begin today's call with Frank providing a business summary.
Gerald will then cover the foreign national for the second for 20.8 in more detail.
No I like the during the call over to brokers C O Frank locally.
Thank you Miroslava good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us on todays call I Hope you and your families are well.
These are challenging times as we all manage through a global pandemic that heads up and that economies and daily life.
Broker as you can see on our slide three we remain focused on our key priorities.
Number one the health and safety of our employees customers and partners.
Number two maintaining service level for our customers.
Number three carefully managing our cost structure, while continuing to invest an important long term project accelerate.
And operational Excellence initiative.
And number four delevering, enabling research and diagnostic product.
That's a board essential priorities of our society and help flight the pandemic.
I'm very proud of how our leadership team and our 7000 employees worldwide have delivered.
Our organization has continued to support our customers globally with exemplary dedication wallets hearing to appropriate health and safety protocols.
Over the last few months, we have supported various initiatives aiming to understand the characteristics of the source cop two virus and I'll be covert 19 disease.
For example, we are supporting be Cobot, 19, and Amar initiative.
Which is a consortium of 140 sites it.
In 30 research groups across 15 countries.
Well working to determine the DNA and proteins structures, Oh, sorry, <unk> of the Sars cop two virus in order to investigate the drug ability of such structures.
With pharmaceutical inhibitors.
Between late March and the end of June we continuously ramped our brookline deliveries off nucleic acid extraction kit.
End up Cobot, 19, PCR test kits to customers in Europe and Africa.
In Q2, 2020, we reached 7 million in covert 19.
Related to testing revenue.
These revenues came from the sale of liquid Hanting robot from about half a million nucleic acid extraction kids and about a quarter million covert 19, PCR assays in the second quarter of 2020.
We intend to wrap this further in the second half of 2020 I'd into 2021, and we are presently evaluating additional covert 19 related test.
For our I'd say portfolio.
Just last week, we announced our second generation see Ivy de marked Florida type Sars cop, two plus PCR test for the detection of covert 19.
The new tests targets two independent jeans on the source code Coke to genome while at the same time differentiating the Sars kickoff to virus from off from for common human Corona viruses that test is available on our novel broker Heine Fluoro Cycler X T real time Pcr system.
As well is on other commonly available thermal site closures.
From an operational standpoint by now all of our major manufacturing sites have returned to the new normal operations.
With expanding capacity and productivity levels and we are currently not facing any broker factory disruption anymore.
He did in April and into May at certain sites affected by full or partial site closures.
Several of our European factories continue to use the short time work approach to reduce their capacities and cost structure during reduce demand.
Generally our teams have done an excellent job in managing our costs and opex in the second quarter, which is why our second quarter non-GAAP operating margin has improved sequentially by 390, bips compared to the first quarter of 2020, despite similar revenue.
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Our second quarter 2020 revenues declined less than the minus 15 to minus 25% year over year revenue decline scenarios that we outlined during our last earnings call.
We also mitigated the negative impact of the pandemic on our profitability and cash flow through successful cost control and cost reduction measures, while continuing to invest in our key dual strategic priorities of project accelerate and operational excellence.
Exiting the second quarter 2020 broker maintains a healthy balance sheet and we believe brokerage is well positioned for sequentially improving business conditions and the second half of 2020.
I now go to slide five where we show the financial highlights for the second quarter of 2020.
Brokers grew to 2020 revenues declined 13.4% year over year to 425 million acquisitions added 0.4% to revenue growth, while foreign currency currency translation was a headwind of 1.1% on an.
Organic basis brokers second quarter, 2020 revenues declined 12.7% year over year on the reported and organic revenue declined primarily reflect cobot 19 related disruptions to our customers and certain of our operations along with softer instrument demand by academic.
Nick industrial and applied customers due to the pandemic.
Our second quarter 2020, non-GAAP gross margin decreased 440 bps year over year to 45.1%, while our non-GAAP operating margin declined 350, bips year over year to 11.5% the margin decline reflects primarily lower revenues and reduce productivity.
Due to disrupt disruption from the pandemic, partially offset by cost control and reduction measurements as Gerald will discuss.
In Q2 of 2020 broke reported GAAP diluted EPS of 16 cents per share.
Compared to 23 cents in the second quarter of 2019 on a non-GAAP basis second quarter 2020, EPS of 21 cents compared to 33 cents and the second quarter of 2019.
On slide six we show brokers performance for the first half of 2020.
Revenues decreased by 103 million year over year or by 10.8% to 849 million.
On an organic basis revenues declined 10.3% year over year in the first half comprised of a 10.5% organic decline and the scientific instruments business and an 8.5% organic decline at best net of intercompany eliminations acquisitions added 0.6% to our top.
Applying about foreign exchange was the 1.1% Edwin.
First half 2020 order bookings for brokers three scientific instrument group groups declined in the mid to high single digits organically.
In our Q1 2020 earnings call, we shared our expectation that order bookings would soften during the second quarter.
Due to customer closures and disruptions from the pandemic and this was indeed the case.
However, RBS side book to Bill ratio of approximately 1.1 for the first half of 2020 implies the order rate help better than the first top 2020 revenue declines would suggest.
Towards the end of the second quarter academic laboratories began gradually began to reopen gradually and this continues albeit in a process that continues, albeit with reduced capacities compared to pre pandemic levels.
The operations of our industrial and applied customers also continued to normalize although with a more uncertain spending outlook.
Biopharma markets and order rates remained robust while the semiconductor metrology markets have continued to rebound.
Our life science mass spectrometry and infectious disease diagnostics businesses are growing.
Although the environment remains challenging we continue to anticipate gradual sequential improvements in business conditions as we move into the back half of the year compared to the first half of 2020.
Our first half 2020, non-GAAP gross margin decreased 330 basis points compared to the first top of 19, while non-GAAP operating margins declined 470 basis points year over year.
We were able to partially offset the impact of the lower revenue and reduce productivity on our operating margin by controlling and reducing expenses.
On a GAAP basis broker EPS of 22 cents in the first top of 2020 compared to 43 cents in the first half of 2019.
Our first half 2020, non-GAAP EPS of 35 cents compared to 61% 61 cents in the first top off 2009 team.
Alright, please turn to slide seven and eight now where I provide further highlights on the first top 2020 performance of our three scientific instruments group and of our best segment, all on a constant currency basis and in comparison to the first half of 29 team.
First top 2020 bias been group revenue declined low double digits to 246 million.
The revenue decline that Biospin was due to covert related.
Customer lot closures and installation delays as well, let's be temporary closure of one of biased bins manufacturing sites, we have since reopened that side well biodefense academic customers have been gradually returning to their labs and international tenders and applied and clinical markets are resuming.
In April of 2020 by that's been received customer acceptance for the world's first 1.2 gigahertz MRT system, which was successfully installed at the some of the University of Florence, Italy. This was a remarkable achievement capping a decade of R&D into groundbreaking 1.2 gigahertz materials and Mac.
In the technology as we indicated on our Q1 conference call. During Q2 20 of 2020, we recognize revenue on just the anymore console and probes for this particular, Italian 1.2 gigahertz system, while the Florence magnet is subject to a multi year lease contract.
During the first half of the year 2020, biased bins anymore, and PCI systems revenue declined significantly year over year due to delivery and installation delays caused primarily primarily by customer disruptions bias bins aftermarket revenue held steady.
Year over year with software revenue was higher although off a low base.
Moving onto the colleague group the first top of 2020 Khallad group revenues declined low single digits to 273 million.
The modest decline at college reflects a significant revenue decline in molecular spectroscopy compared to the first half of 19, which was partially offset by continued growth in our Daltonics life science mass spectrometry, microbiology and infectious disease diagnostics business.
College, microbiology and infectious disease consumable, which include our multi biotyper consumables and broker heine nucleic acid extraction uncovered 19, PCR assays grew significantly our year over year.
In life Science mass spectrometry, our teams tough proteomics business saw continued growth despite the challenging business conditions for instruments and customer side installation delays.
Revenues for our S. T IR near IR Rama molecular spectroscopy products declined substantially year over year due to covert 19 related disruption to customer operations lower demand and a temporary factory slowdown.
Please turn to slide eight now broker nano revenues were down mid teens year over year, two to 246 million in the first half of 2020.
The decline in annual revenues was due to worldwide academic customer closures due to the pandemic weaker industrial markets demand and temporary factory closures at some of nanos businesses, which also where reopened by the end of May.
Now I know its X ray none of surface analysis tools, all declined compared to the first up 19 due to academic customer closures and significantly slower industrial research demand.
Semiconductor metrology revenue for the nano group held steady year over year with order rave rates, improving as semi metrology equipment markets appear to be in a rebound.
Finally, best revenue in this first top of 2020 declined high single digits net of intercompany eliminations due to weakening superconductor demand by MRI companies and government that research lab disruptions from Cobot 19.
So despite the challenges created by Cobot 19, Bruker continues its track record of meaningful innovation, which we believe will position the company well for recovery as global market conditions improve.
Turning to slide nine during the recent SMS reboot virtual conference in early June I believe we were the clear innovation leader as we introduced instrument and work flow innovations far flak shop flagship, Tim self mass spectrometry platform for high throughput.
Hi, Throughputs high sensitivity space shallow makes discovery proteomics and targeted proteomics, our team stop platform actually maintained a healthy double digit year over year order growth rate, even during the difficult first top of 2020.
If you take a quick look at slide number nine you will see at a SMS, we had a very major innovation with them. All the to source that is really taking is the next generation Multisource that provides one to two orders of magnitude increase insensitivity for many small molecules and limits.
And it greatly increases the applications range of mall, the mass spectrometry and all the mass spectrometry imaging both of them very important to our business.
In parallel in 40, proteomics and also 40 metabolomics for that matter on our Tim stopped platform. We introduced targeted so so called PRM path of methods high throughput short grade India passive method, we did a lot of work on slide constellation analysis, which is very important for viral and did.
Trends, whether you are developed developing Sars cough too.
Vaccines or.
Serology assays, you need antigens with their property correlation patterns and that's another area, where these himself platform.
Excels. Moreover, taking this really this fourth dimension that we keep mentioning in 40 proteomics, we've shown and some of our collaborations have shown the use of very large scale accurate collision cross sections, using the I'm mobility spectrometry capabilities of our Tim system that are completely unique and.
Moreover, in addition to measuring tens and hundreds of thousands of collision cross sections routinely and at scale also allow excellent excellent machine learning and predictions I, it's really changing the way proteomics is done fundamentally it's allowing about an order of magnitude more.
Information content and peak capacity, which is tremendously important for the future of high throughput and in depth proteomics. We also introduced together with a partner company the run into an IP to GPU Fourg approached 40 proteomics analysis software something that has previously not been done and again addresses the.
Bottleneck in high throughput proteomics.
If you go to slide 10.
As we've said already earlier.
We are pleased to announce the customer acceptance of a second 1.2 gigahertz on them our system at the.
I can appreciate taking shovel truly or NIH in Surrey, Switzerland, which was in July and that revenue. Therefore as anticipated for Q3 it was not in Q2.
We continue to ramp our gigahertz class production and testing capacity at our Swiss Biospin factory, we've already shipped an additional system to the Max Planck Institute, a in Germany, and so the the our gigahertz and gigahertz plus business is really right.
Turning very nicely and we were were very very pleased with how this is gone so far this year.
Moreover, as I mentioned earlier in global you'll be seeing more news of that in the in the in the in future weeks a anymore. It's really quite important in cobot 19 research I had mentioned earlier the international Cobot 19, and Amar consortium with the website being given here on slide 10, which is very important for functional stroke.
Natural biology, and first studying how pharmaceutical inhibitor binding Ken can bind to the Sars cop two are in a or proteins.
Moreover, we're making very good progress in our collaboration with Murdoch University in the Australian National Pheno Center in Perth Western Australia.
In.
Studying.
The what will soon be called in my opinion. The post Cobot 19 syndrome that comes after the in fact, a active infection, whether its asymptomatic orbitz severe symptoms and we are using some very unique and amar and mass spec combined plasma pit Mitch I just below makes methods.
To study the long term effects, which are really quite considerable even for patients who barely had any symptoms or had very mild symptoms.
So if you like that will be in some ways for the third wave of post covert 19 syndrome effects that were only beginning to see now. This is the other six seventh of the iceberg that has not emerged yet and I believe anymore and mass spec with makes up a low makes will play a very important role as a screening tool for this next.
Focus of our cobot pandemic health concern.
Anyway.
Let me conclude by reiterating that Bruker remains fundamentally healthy and we continue to invest in our key project accelerate and operational priorities that we believe with well positioned the company well for the future. While we anticipate that the pandemic will continue to negatively impact our third quarter financial results year over year we.
Expect sequential improvements in our financial performance from the second quarter two the third quarter of 2020 provided of course that the present second wave increase in infections can be contained.
With that let me now turn the call over to our CFO Gerald Harman, who will review our Q2 and first top 2020 financial performance in more detail Gerald. Thank you Frank Hello, everyone. Im pleased to walk you through brokers second quarter 2020 financial highlights starting on slide 12.
Brokers reported revenue decreased 13.4% year over year to $425 million in the second quarter 2020.
Which reflects inorganic revenue decline of 12.7% favorable to the revenue declined scenarios, we outlined in Q. Our Q1 earnings call. We reported GAAP EPS of 16 cents per share compared to 23 cents into second quarter 2019.
On a non-GAAP basis, Q2, 2020 bps was 21 cents per share decreased to 36% from 33 cents in Q2 2019.
Our Q2 2020, non-GAAP operating income decreased 34%, well non-GAAP operating margin of 11.5% declined 350 basis points year over year.
The decline was principally driven by lower revenue and gross margin performance impacted by Koby 19, disruptions, partially offset by disciplined expense control and certain cost reduction measures we initiated in late Q1.
Our entire organization from our factories to our leadership played an important role in supporting these cost control and reduction initiatives.
At the end of Q2, 2020, our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong.
We ended the quarter was $796.8 million in cash cash equivalents in short term investments.
After substantially strengthening our cash position with our December 2019, this debt financing and the personal drawdown of our revolver in Q1 2020.
Net debt was modestly higher in Q2 2020 than a year ago.
During the second quarter, we used cash to fund strategic capital investments, our dividends and our share repurchase activity in Q2, 2020, we repurchased 1.2 million shares a broker stock for a total of $50 million.
As of June Thirtyth, we have $107.7 million remaining on our share repurchase authorization, which is valid until mid may 2021.
At the end of Q2 2020, our working capital to revenue ratio was slightly higher than a year ago as we carried higher inventory levels to address supply chain risks related to the pandemic.
Slide 13 shows the revenue bridge for Q2 2020 as noted earlier organic revenue in the quarter declined to 12.7%.
We had a positive revenue contribution from acquisitions of 0.4%, which is more than offset by foreign currency headwind of 1.1%.
From an organic Dxi revenue perspective, Q2, 2020, Biospin revenues declined in the high teens year over year.
Salad revenues declined low single digits and nano revenues were down mid teens.
Brokers bio pharma revenues multi biotyper consumables bruker high in molecular diagnostic consumables and Tim talked proteomics revenues all grew in the second quarter, while our academic and industrial research revenues were pressured by customer closures lower demand and installation delays related.
To the pandemic.
Second quarter semiconductor metrology revenues grew year over year.
For our three be outside groups second quarter systems revenue declined in the high teens, well aftermarket revenue grew low single digits year over year.
Despite the revenue declines experienced since the start of the pandemic, we exited Q2 with our be ASI backlog approximately 9% above the Q2 2019 ending backlog.
Past revenues were down 12.5% net of intercompany eliminations.
Geographically and on an organic basis in Q2 2020 European revenues declined mid single digits.
North American revenues was down.
High teens Asia Pacific revenues declined low double digits, including steep declines in Japan, and the rest of the APAC markets.
China Q2, 2020 revenue declined low single digits year over year as China began to recover from its locked down.
Slide 14 shows arpino results for the second quarter 2020 on a non-GAAP basis.
Q2, 2020, non-GAAP gross profit margin of 45.1% decreased 440 basis points from 49.5% in Q2, 2019, driven principally by lower volume reduced productivity in factory inefficiencies from Kobin 19 disruptions to our operations and those.
Of our customers.
This was partially mitigated by our cost reduction measures.
Q2, 2020, non-GAAP operating expenses declined 16% compared to Q2 2019.
In March as covered 19 spread further into Europe, and North America, we took cost reduction actions to support the profitability and cash flow of the company.
These included previously planned restructuring actions, primarily within the be ASI nano segment.
Well as additional temporary cost measures due to the end pandemic throughout broker.
We expect continued cost savings over the balance of 2020, but we will relax certain temporary cost measures as our revenue and profitability declines were not nearly as severe as potentially feared a few months ago.
In Q2, 2020, our non-GAAP operating margin declined 350 basis points compared to Q2 2019 as cost actions, partially mitigated the impact of the revenue volume and productivity declines.
For the second quarter 2020, our non-GAAP effective tax rate of 22.6% was 70 basis points below the prior year quarter due to a more favorable jurisdictional mix.
Weighted average diluted shares outstanding in the second quarter of 2020 154.7 million a reduction of approximately 2.9 million shares from Q2 2019, following our share repurchase activity.
Finally, Q2, 2020, non-GAAP EPS of 21 cents decreased 36% year over year, driven by lower revenue and margins.
Slide 15 shows a year over year revenue bridge for the first half of 2020.
Revenue was down $103 million were 10.8%, reflecting a first half 2020 organic decline of 10.3%.
This included a 10.5% organic decline that's a threepl sorry groups collectively well the best segment declined 8.5% net of intercompany eliminations.
Geographically and on an organic basis in the first half from 2020 brokers European revenue was down mid single digits.
North American in Asia Pacific revenues declined low double digits, including a high teens decline in China, which had a particularly weak Q1.
On slide 16, or first half 2029 got gross profit margin, 45.9% decreased 330 basis points.
Lower volume reduced productivity and unfavorable mix caused the decline relative to the first half 2019.
First half 2020 operating expenses were down 7% year over year on our cost reduction measures all in our non-GAAP operating margin in the first half 2000, 29.6% was 470 basis points below the prior year period on lower revenue and margin perform.
And partially offset by cost reduction measures.
Finally, non-GAAP EPS of 35 cents per share declined 43% relative to the first half of 2019, reflecting our revenue decline and weaker margins.
Turning now to slide 17, our free cash outflow in the first half of 2020 of approximately $4 million with similar to that of the first half between 19.
This reflects the lower forecast taxable income favorable timing of cash tax payments and customer advances in the first half between 20.
Which helped partially offset reduced cash generation from net income working capital efficiencies and our continued capex investments in higher productivity and higher capacity facilities.
Our cash conversion cycle at the end of Q2 2020 of 281 days worsened from 237 days a year ago with the step up driven primarily by an increase in D. Io as we carried higher inventory balances due to supplier and customer loud disruptions from the pandemic and some modest income.
Indeed so.
Turning now to slide 19.
In March we suspended our guidance for 2020 due to the uncertain business conditions created by covert 19.
Business uncertainties related to the pandemic remains substantial in many parts of the world and our visibility as it relates to customer operations and spending patterns in certain markets is still relatively low.
Our 2020 guidance therefore remain suspended.
Although we're not providing guidance I would like to give you some directional color on how we see the business unfolding in Q3 and over the back half of the rest of the year.
Yes, Frank stated earlier, we expect the Q3 will still continue to be challenging from a demand and customer access perspective, although to a lesser extent than in Q2, as our academic and government customers continue to reopen.
Similar to Q2 2020, we believe it's better to think about a range of scenarios for the third quarter of 2020, what's the potential for a 6% to 10% year over year revenue decline.
On a sequential basis, we expect Q3 2020 financial performance to improve relative to Q2 2000 twin.
Please note that of course actual results may be outside the scenario ranges, but this gives you are good faith estimates at this time based on the information currently available to us.
Our working assumption is that business conditions and the disruptive impact of the pandemic, we'll continue to gradually improve in the second half of 2020, although an economic recovery is not anticipated until 2021 were later.
Directionally based on the limited level of visibility we have today. We currently anticipate revenues to decline in Q4 2020 year over year, but continue to improve sequentially versus Q3 2020.
These scenarios also assume that any potential future waves of infections will not lead to new significant lockdowns.
In conclusion, we continue to manage through a challenging business environment with unprecedented uncertainties and reduced visibility created by the pandemic.
We remain very confident that broker will emerge from the pandemic stronger company with an attractive product portfolio and a promising long term outlook.
We look forward to updating you again on our quarterly progress during our Q3 conference call anticipated in early November and with that I'd like to turn the call over to Miroslava to start the Q in a session. Thank you very much. Thanks, Gerald I will now like to turn the call operator to begin this morning portion.
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Our first question today comes from Patrick Donnelly from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.
Hi, Thanks, guys, Frank maybe just on the academic government market. There obviously won a lot of your peers you called out as being slow to come back online as well can you just talk through the trends you're seeing there throughout the quarter and maybe even into July any geography is particularly weaker strong.
I'm going with that one is that kind of the primary reason you guys. You think in Fourq, you probably still declines that market is just very slow to come back.
Yeah, good questions Pat.
Well, obviously, China.
Began to open first but the opening in China is not that fast it's not that they had a V shaped recovery our reopening.
Europe is ahead of the United States also the infection rates are now generally lower in Europe.
As you have seen the U.S. academic and government customers are all cautiously gradually reopening of course I'm aware that not all students are coming back but that doesn't really affect us. It's the you know grad student post op and professors that the research part of the academic enterprise and they're all open.
Turning and reopening gradually just obviously under all these new normal conditions that are different from working previously so I am access to lapse is improving.
Same is true and Japan, you know, there's some some geographies like India or parts of Australia are still quite difficult and then there are sometimes additional locked on the restrictions, but but things are things are generally improving we think it's a gradual process. That's why we think probably by the end of Q3, most a academic cost.
Immerse will be back in the research business. Although you know I'm also not quite the same productivity and capacity that we necessarily seen prior to the pandemic.
And you know I would also point out that there is a applied and industrial market simply even independent of the pandemic disruptions. There has just been economic malaise and downturn and how quickly that recovers where we're somewhat.
We think there is there an ongoing recovery in the second half of the year, but we are we also are do not model. This is coming back to pre pandemic levels.
This year.
Okay. So that's helpful.
In General Motors on a cost actions you guys took in the quarter.
I mentioned pretty effective kept margins more resilient than we had expected how should we thinking about the durability of those cost savings how aggressive you got to be in the back half again, I'm expecting negative growth both quarters any helpful commentary you could have on the margin cadence there for the remainder of year, we would certainly be helpful.
Sure well, so we're quite pleased actually with the overall.
Actions that we took and the results that we achieved I think as I said in my.
Earlier notes that.
The cost reduction actions I think we're quite effective for the second quarter. We made very significant progress I think with respect to that area in the second quarter, and we expect to be able to carry a number of those elements in to the third and the fourth quarter.
However, I would not expect the level of savings cost savings to necessarily translate.
One for one.
Especially as we move into the third in the fourth quarter we are.
As as I noted earlier, we are expecting to see sequential improvement both in our revenue performance and we would expect that to translate into better financial performance all the way down the line.
I think thats, probably the best I can say relative to Q3, and we don't have particularly good visibility as Frank just mentioned that as it goes to Q4, but our expectation would be the same relatively speaking there.
Understood. Thank you.
Welcome.
Our next question comes from Tyco Peterson from JP Morgan. Please you have with your question.
Thanks.
I guess another question about just the back half in years, we think about the industrial trends can you talk a little bit about two to what degree year, you're baking in some improvement there on the industrial side and where you're seeing it.
Well we.
It's hard to disentangle Tyco.
We think other industries like automobile industry were not heavily exposed to them, but they are getting out of their own disruptions. So to the extent that the disruptions for these industries are going away in that were due to lockdowns or a supply disruptions, we expect that to improve.
What the disruption free economic downturn is and how that is different that we don't have numbers and visibility on that yet, but we expect that industrial demand even when when you take away the disruptions will be lower in that we're in a in economic recession, even when the disruptions from.
Lockdowns and logistics and transportation limitations are gone. So so with that we're taking a cautious look at and that industrial and applied markets. We expect them to continue to be down even as the disruptions per se.
Our our are hopefully taking care of by and large.
Borrowing.
Second wave with Lockdowns.
So we don't have a bit we don't have numbers for that but we expect that industrial and applied demand will be down.
And then you highlighted anymore for cobalt just curious about how you think about covered related research on the overall proteomics portfolio at you alluded to some incremental investments can you maybe just talk to how you're thinking about that going forward.
Yes, so proteomics for US is almost all of Tim stopped platform mass spectrometry platform. We are we just announced a lot of new capabilities on on that platform at the a SMS conference. There is the Eupol meeting of course, all virtual coming up in the middle of October.
I will have more innovations and workflows for that and we continue to invest in the capabilities of that 40 proteomics platform for more and more different workflows in additional capabilities.
You'll see more of that as we proceed during the year and then of course also into next year. So that remains a high priority for continued investments and also investments in collaborations with with industrial and academic partners.
Somewhat separate from that on the on the ultra high field and Amar side.
And for structure functional structural biology.
Which is primarily where we are involved with enom, R&D, which distinguishes and amar from.
Try OEM or X ray crystallography, I, either taking look at functional and binding and dynamic information and so on.
That's going technically so well that we also decided to make incremental investments in our factory and testing capacity I in Switzerland.
So both of these are part of the ongoing project accelerate investments that we have not slow down or de prioritized at all.
Okay, and then just one clarification before I hop off on your comments on Europe, we could see the horizon funding get cut is your view that that's not necessarily to be disruptive in the back half a year or how material could that be oh, I think what's what's disappointing, but it's much more of a multi year effect. So I don't expect that to Europe is one of our better performer.
So far this year, we expect that to continue to be the case.
And also Fortunately not all funding R&D funding for academia in Europe comes from the European budget.
Very large amounts come from the national budgets, the Germany, the UK, the French budget sense, and they were actually a bit more optimistic.
They are some sizable investments planned and priorities that aligned with what we can offer.
For Special Olympics proteomics met to below mix.
And other priority areas.
But the horizon slowdown horizon.
Budgets for the future being approved at a level, which is what you're referring to lower than what had been apps forward. The disappointment, but it's going to move and we have much more of a multiyear effects, Ed and we think it'll be mitigated by national R&D budgets.
Okay. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Doug Schenkel from Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.
Hi, Thanks for taking my question. This is Chris on for Doug today.
First can you just provide a bit more detail on order trends into managed from a U.S. based academic government customers given that this is a last fiscal quarter for the NIH budget have you seen any indications that this customer base could accelerate spending before the end it.
Fiscal year.
Good question, Chris for Us the budget flush or something like that.
It is not such a significant factor that may have a bigger impact on some consumables companies or you know so for us that's not such a big.
It's not a big question that we don't be don't really experienced that in other years so much either.
You asked ticket dynamic orders have been coming back more slowly than European academic orders.
So that that has been notable as the.
Reopening of US academic sites has been slower because of higher infection rates or perhaps for other reasons. So.
While we expect federal funding for our lifetimes R&D NIH NSF Deo your other wide funded to be strong and perhaps even to go up in future years. There is an obvious in the U.S.. There's some concern some private universities are having reduced.
Two ish and then housing income or if they have a big research hospital on campus that may be losing money at this point. So you epidemic spending is a bit of a concern despite probably pretty good federal investment.
Priorities and again as I look under the Hood, rather than just this the tide go up or down the trends for special OMEX proteomics.
Post translational modifications glycol makes all related to proteomics and metal or mix I think are very good I think there's an increasing investment in these.
Scientifically and for disease research very very important area that are now becoming accessible from using our teams stop technology and other technologies out there beyond just next generation sequencing and transcriptome mix. So.
That's the somewhat mixed picture for us.
Got it very helpful. And then just for my follow up question.
Another question on October 19 show wins.
Talked about evaluating additional high now assays address addressing covert 19 are these molecular based or astrology based in what would be your go to market strategy.
Just on the financial side I think you mentioned that cover 19.
Approximated 7 million in Q2, what are you expecting Q3 in Q4 Q Yeah. All good questions. Let me take it in reverse order if you recall, our covidien related nucleic acid or koby PCR assays were really quite de Minimis in Q1. So.
7 million is not a big number we realized that it doesn't offset some of the other headwinds that we're facing but it's a huge improvement for us and up yes. So there is further development in more refined.
Molecular tests, so Pcr test.
We have released second generation tests were looking at expanding the geographic coverage of where we sell them with our go to market strategy. We're looking at additional capacity ramp up for those and we're also looking at additional let me keep it brought content I additional refinements and additional capabilities and molecular.
So that's all ongoing with geographic capacity and.
Content.
Investments and further plaster into to broaden that and correctly. We're also looking and we're in the pilot phase for two additional types of tests that are broker high unrelated one of them if they need it is surface or all the GE tests, so that we're targeting Europe Europe.
In Africa, and this particular case.
And and and.
And so we're in the pilot phase, where we are evaluating the performance work flow.
Genomics and customer and market acceptance for that in Europe, and we also have a similar pilot project.
For active disease antigen testing from nasal swaps as an alternative screen.
Compared to PCR, a four for four or.
Faster point of care on site testing, so some very interesting additional things and and last but not leases is not broker high unrelated but broker bio spin related we are very seriously looking at the needs of up what enom arm aspect combined Ted maybe needed in the future as a risk screen for the various.
Eric phenomenon, that's all the beginning to be understood now, namely what I think will soon be called post cobot 19 syndrome, where there are multiple systemic effects that are detectable via metabolic signatures.
That from New York problem, not all the lung damage, but potential.
Neurological kidney diabetic.
Liver organic and systemic problems. There is up there is something else emerging that comes off to the viral infection, that's actually pretty scary and I believe that at least in the research side and possibly also moving eventually towards diagnostics screening.
That some of our neither serology normal like a little but in fact, and Amar mass spec metabolic test metabolic that or screens that lease can play a significant role so little bit longer term, but it may become very very important.
Great. Thank you.
Youre welcome.
Our next question comes from Dan Leonard from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead with your question.
Thank you I guess first off can you elaborate on bookings trends in the quarter is it right at the bookings decline was down pretty comparable to the revenue decline and Frank could you comment on your ability to build in order book for 21 and beyond what well labs are operating in produced capacity.
Yeah, both both astute observation sedan, yes, indeed bookings.
Bookings were down similarly to to.
Revenue revenue, although if we look at the ESI. Then then for be outside the instrument segment. Then then also we build a little bit of backlog both in Q1, and Q2, where our book to Bill ratio was supposed to one 1.1 simply because not all labs are open and I'd also because you know in April some of our fulfilled.
Cities, we had to close down temporarily or take for economic and cost reasons take early vacation and things like that so indeed your as your question. Your second question implies we are looking to gradually build some backlog actually in and we're probably not be able to consume all of that so to speak.
And the second half the year and we're you know we're we're trying to have good sequential improvements were very much focused on our investment on bookings and go to market strategies, and then hopefully setting ourselves up for us for a much healthier 2021.
And then as a follow up front could you elaborate a bit more on your comment around ramping your ultra high field manufacturing capacity should we think about.
An acceleration in your annual placement rate.
1.2 gigahertz magnets as a result.
Well.
Yeah. So.
You know this this this year, we tend to be at about deliveries not necessarily all acceptance and revenue by deliveries of Oh, probably four systems and this is not only 1.2 gigahertz that sometimes is also 1.1 or 1.0, we we call that the gigahertz class and they all take somewhat similar amounts of.
Award.
So we're trying to add to bring that up so that hopefully by 2021, and certainly 2022, we can deliver and hopefully get into revenue more than three to four system the year.
Thank you.
And our next question comes from Derik de Bruin from Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question.
Hi, Good afternoon, Hey, I'm, just I just a couple of clarifications the down six to down 10 guide for the third quarter, that's total revenues organic.
It'll be very similar but it is the guidance for it is formally for total or that not only for example have guided this scenario just to clarify that we don't we're not guiding were just be providing some scenarios just fine areas.
Narrower than [laughter] order at least indeed, and that's those are scenarios for reported revenues reported revenue.
Gotcha, and and so basically flattish FX and the second and third quarter, and then fourth quarter any idea given how rates are in place.
Well, that's an interesting question because to be honest the volatility for foreign exchange in some of the major currencies against the are still has been pretty significant in the second quarter and we're watching it closely.
Yes, I mean, our expectation as you perhaps no if you follow us but is that the foreign exchange impact down to the bottom line will be relatively modest in at the revenue line in around that same headwind, which where we have right. Now is as you probably saw for the second quarter here, 1.1% headwind on.
Foreign exchange.
Right, because that's where I was actually going on sort of like the bottom line impact from sort of clarifying that as good as those currencies move yes, yes, I mean as I said normally.
I think Q2 was a little unusual relative to the volatility and hopefully we'll start to see more stability as we move through the following quarters since the third and fourth but.
It's not exactly that's not exactly clear yet, but the scenarios where for reported revenue not organic in this case and that would imply.
Proven improved financial results.
At the operating margin level.
Excellent.
Great.
And I think.
Few you answered just a little bit by just want to get a little more clarity just make sure I understand so so some SGN I mean, you, where we where we were spot on your R&D as demand on the corner. We were way off me yesterday. So the question is that you're going to add some SDN expenses back or some costs back into it but not.
Not all of it back right that that's correct I mean, the way way, we're thinking about this at the moment is.
And this is largely dependent on the business conditions as the conditions dictate.
No some of our operations will.
We'll move more quickly back to the more sort of new normal cost structure, and others will remain relatively lower cost structure depending on.
What happens at the moment also has an example, I mean travel and entertainment will continue to be down we don't need to do all that much that's alright inevitable on the on the marketing and sales side and there is no all the confidence is our virtual as you know.
But some of the temporary salary and compensation reductions that we've asked our management teams to take temporarily for a quarter or for half a year.
Some of these things we will let expire because we're obviously, we're obviously doing.
Great second quarter, but it's better than the scenarios that we had anticipated and certainly much better than than sort of the worst case, although the bottom end of the scenario. So were relaxing some of these things.
Our we really appreciate it the leadership and the solidarity by many of our employees, but we're also relaxing some of these temporary compensation reductions that they had that they had volunteered to take or that we made them take and so some of these things will go away in.
In Q3 Q4.
Great I can squeeze one more end up.
You talked about this metrology market is picking up a bit could you elaborate a little bit more and obviously, there's a lot of emphasis on people re shoring and bringing semiconductor manufacturing back to the U.S. What are you sort of seen in terms of trends and then metrology market in general.
I mean, you know because of IP infrastructure, because we're on calls into meetings and teams meetings and whatnot. Obviously, that's that's really doing quite well plus the with overdue for a bit of recovery anyway, even before the pandemic. So those markets are looked pretty healthy in terms of order patterns and the and were even you know, whereas they were.
Drag on us last year actually pretty significant drag in the second half of last year. So that headwind is going away and it's probably turning into a small tailwind for the year and probably continue into next year. So up if you recall mid 2019, our semiconductor metrology revenue was about 6% of.
Overall revenue and a rather than declining we expect that to become and it already is a mild tailwind and it may become a stronger tailwind along with our diagnostics and trauma biopharm approach ill make sense on so it's good to have as industrial markets the remaining.
Industrial markets are expected to be week, certainly also at the beginning of next year I'm not as weak as in Q2 of this year, but you know where it when economic recession.
Metrology piece is actually a good guy so to speak and it's going to and not being a have a different pattern, which actually could be quite healthy and it also has very nice incremental margins for us. So so that may really help us a little bit next year.
And a little bit it's here already.
Thanks.
Mm.
Our next question comes from Oneq sit up from SVB Leerink. Please go ahead with your question.
Yes, Frank Thanks first question just want to clarify on cobot testing and I'm wondering if you can provide us.
As number appears right in terms of the capacity that they have for Kobin testing in your case, the and PCR assay and extraction Kid can you provide.
Sort of what's the capacity currently in sort of what is the capacity growth that you can potentially expect here.
Into the second happened and also it can you elaborate if those kids are mostly U.S. It seems though that's the case, but.
Those are getting ship to us as well.
Oh U.S. only that's easy part for an eight hour to our capacity you know, which was still pretty modest stride, but you have you heard that about half of half a million nucleic acid extractions, a quarter million Pcr assays.
And we're continuing to in two to increase that for the second half and into next year.
We're.
We're not prepared to give numbers of where that will be but we're expecting that to continue to move even within March through June. It has continued to increase.
And so far you know we've been pretty much able to sell anything sell in ship anything we're able to we were early capacity limited there.
And even though it remains Oh U.S.. We're also looking at broadening the geographic markets outside of the United States, because so far we've only been really going after selected countries and good sell everything we wanted to or could produce there. So you know, it's obviously at a modest level more modest level than some much like companies that are much larger into that.
But we hope to be a.
Reasonably clever and the capabilities that we're offering and we're going to ramp that further along with looking at as I said earlier Kobin 19 related assays that are not on the molecular and PCR. So that's this is part of our broader multi biotype front infectious disease diagnostics.
Franchise, which of course as has been healthy and continues to be quite healthy so both multi biotyper and in other infectious viral infectious disease.
The walls are growing very nicely and and they've also helped us to make broker high and quite profitable.
That's great and then I have a couple of questions and around 10 top I'm, sorry could wrap it up and to one you're obviously seeing a good uptake here for the instrument can you elaborate a bit as that what you. What you saw in the quarter was that coming from.
Pharma or or or academic and would the academic situation in U.S. right. Now do you expect you know recovery continued growth fortunes tops and even into.
Fourth quarter.
And then appreciate the comments on multi I mean, obviously you are the market leader there for almost a decade now in multi so makes sense that you're launching connection source, but could you elaborate I'm sort of mix of customers wouldn't be that our interests in multi optionality versus the traditional ESI and I'm just trying to understand.
What is the opportunity here.
So you can size opportunity for multi on Onton sop. Thanks.
Right.
Okay.
Yes, so the teams tough.
Primarily proteomics, but somebody else lamentable, all mix than some of it also imaging the growth above in the platform has been good and the double digits, both and older than in revenue in the first half, which was you know obviously in the that existing.
Environment was really quite good.
Oh look growth came.
Primarily from Europe, and primarily from pharma not so much from the U.S. and not so much from Asia or from from China as as they are recovering so good first half year growth, primarily driven by Europe and Biopharma adoption that was one of your questions.
We yes, we can we expect continued growth in our proteomics platform. We just think that 40 proteomics technology high throughput deep proteomics with.
With so many other attributes I don't want to rattle off a long list is just really.
Really at some point driving the inflection point of proteomics to become much much more important than it has been traditionally in and disease and other research and maybe cancer proteomics in particular, so while we continue to be generally optimistic there I think over time.
The U.S. and Americas, and Asia, and China will also continue to grow again.
That was more of a quarterly perhaps operation and so on.
But so far it's been Europe, and and from our primarily in the first half and then to your last question mall the.
If you can do something with mall the without any GCR LC chromatography. If you can do something in a in a less than one minute experiment, perhaps in a few seconds, you're you're going to solve every problem you can with mall. The it's incredibly robust it's incredibly fast and by the way can do imaging. So it can do things in pathology research trends.
Hello mix.
You cannot inherently cannot do work and cannot easily do with anytime you need Electra spraying chromatography, so broadening increasing the sensitivity, but also broadening the range of molecular classes that are minimal to this very robust very fast very high throughput and very easy.
Easy to use a multi technology is fantastic news as as more of the mass spec market and its some of its applications.
May be applied markets, our diagnostic markets can then or screening markets can shift to mall, the which is always desirable. So I think the mall. The two innovation, which is also on the Tim stuff platform as you know.
Is it really like a generational us once every three decades kind of big push to make mall the that much more applicable it's not going to displays everything else, but it's going to make that mall the opportunity where we are the market leader.
That much more attractive, including and very importantly in mass spec imaging, which is where were mall. The two will also play quite are all on the Tim's Teleflex, sorry, Beethoven long answer, but in addition to proteomics, which will not be done by mall d., but proteomics metabolomics will be done with.
LC Electra spray.
Collision Cross section M. Fms, the Tim's tough platform, but it's nice to have that second growth driver.
The third growth driver multi biotype are being the second very nice growth driver a third one with Maltese it probably going through a renaissance and expanding its scope. So thats of the big picture strategy for for life Science mass spectrometry for us.
Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks, multi had not been growing fast we think multi will become a growth area again, maybe that would have been the shorter answer.
That's great. Thanks, Thanks, Frank.
Our next question comes from Brandon Couillard from Jefferies. Please go ahead with your question.
Hey, Thanks, good afternoon.
Joe was supposed to third quarter guidance goes can you quantify the 1.2 gigahertz and more placement the GE.
You had in July and any color as far as your expectations for each of the be ESI segments in the third quarter, particularly which ones you think it directionally debt or.
Well so.
Well, we're just going to say, we're not really providing guidance.
Typically buy groups that business groups to begin with but maybe I guess, what I can say more generally is that the overall performance is expected to improve sequentially I don't.
I mean, clearly since you already know some of our business is particularly those that are in the industrial replied markets are ours.
I have more challenges than others. Some of the areas that Frank has already described around I spend in kellwood clearly.
Perform stronger because of the portfolio that they're working with and there the other.
Mr. When applied markets are clearly headwind that they're pushing up against maybe with the exception of the semi space.
So I mean, that's probably.
I mean, what that translates into a very broadly is making for the third quarter and really for the second half of the or is that.
Kallis, including life science mass spectrometry in diagnostics will be the strongest.
Biospin.
Probably got kind of gets stronger in the second half of the year and and nano invest will be relatively speaking weaker within the mix because they have more of an industrial not apply.
Exposure and with the small bright spot I would say around semi metrology, which you've already heard a little bit of ban also fluorescence microscopy, but it's going from a small basis. That's within the not a group. That's also very important than life Science research.
Super and then well more Frank just generally in terms of your forward outlook.
Assuming the coded pandemic is somewhat contains here how are you still about the 21 outlook on his or pent up demand and to what extent from the stimulus plan as you've seen so far could they be.
Meaningful opportunities for you either in the back half or more so next year.
I mean, the stimulus plan at this time are not so clear how they got a target or whether they're going to help be helpful. Fry industry of course for covert testing, there's a big bold isn't governments will spend just about anything on on PCR testing on the vaccine development and rent as of yearend. So on.
Beyond that the stimulus plan that we have emerged in Europe, or maybe elsewhere, sometimes they're very diffuse and they just reduce the general sales tax for awhile and stuff like that so those are not necessarily targeted.
Targeted plans, yet theres just to address the their immediate economic bandaid that are not.
Particularly helpful for our industry, we hope that as people think forward and particularly some of the proposals that are at least being discussed in this country, where a significant increases in NIH and then at that budgets could occur but that could become a trend setter, but it's so far there is not a lot of visibility on.
Targeted stimulus programs.
So that's you know that's not good news or at least not good news yet there's in general.
Selling that a lot more needs to be invested in life Science research. There were the next pandemic will be better prepared and many levels.
But that's still in most countries still needs or you know resolve in concrete programs and they're being discussed, but they haven't drug generally being enacted yet at least not not outside the U.S.
So.
Super. Thank you, yes, that's that's I think what we have to say on that right now we're observing that but it's not really hasn't come be clear yet how that might play itself out in Japan, and China I think it's just a little bit early quite honestly, everybody says still fighting the pandemic and as it becomes and Dan.
Hey can we just deal with it why do we really do about is strategically that's not all clear yet what the strategic responses are.
That's it thank you.
Our next question guys Rpj Kumar from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead with your question.
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question now.
Just two quick ones and I will enroll them up in the one question not Frank one.
On the academic end markets.
Yes has your expectations Shane worsened from early July.
You know when when you were saying most of the academic labs could be perhaps open up by August Im just curious has anything changed after you and on the order side.
Book to Bill when you when does order or when do orders get cooler to revenues is that 1.1 book to Bill.
Should we be thinking about this is in some of those orders getting booked out to revenues in back half or is this more fla.
Anyone.
Thank you a little of little of both VJ of course, you know we expect.
A sequential improvement in the back half Q3, better than Q2 Q4 better than Q3.
Some of that will also go into 21.
I think that's that's also fair to say.
Do I feel better do I feel differently at the end of July then in early July I mean edit societal level, obviously that there is much more of a second wave in the U.S. and a few places like you know Victoria, Australia on a few other places.
It is is unpleasant will it have an economic effect.
So far I will then you know.
Very very select that local area. It's I don't really see at anybody driving for complete Lockdowns and economic shutdown again I, just don't think anybodys prepared to do that from what I can see so far.
So no I don't really have any different view on that I could I took the conservative view that academia and government lapse would open gradually and that they would all be open come August 1st store at full capacity so in that sense.
Bill, but probably a little bit of buffering that accommodates some of these you know wrinkles.
No no change in output from my point of view.
These banks or the business.
Thank you.
And our next question comes from Dan brought in from Yes. Please go ahead with your question.
Okay, great. Thanks to them question.
So not to beat a dead horse Franklin academic just so what are you assuming accrued well first what maybe what did that grow in the second quarter I know you're kind of gave a qualitative comment is there a number that you have in kind of what's assumed in.
In the back half a year and then also I know earlier in the conversation you discussed.
While stimulus from the federal level looks healthy you still have some pressure on universities. It's something we've tried to tackle could you just speak to maybe amongst your customers how that split works out between federal funding and University to funding in any color about how we think it how we think about the trajectory of both of those.
He oh, so good questions right academic government to think it was down in the high teens and the second quarter right.
Yeah.
Hi teams in the second quarter down high teens in the second quarter. So clearly one of the weakest areas and and as we've noticed also Europe Europe better than the U.S. better than Japan, very very weak.
And you know India places like this very very weak so the big Big geographic differences and China coming back, but not try not not for Roaring back China coming back not not coming back all that quickly. So so if anything.
The Europe, what's the highlight an academic government I believe it or not in Q2, and actually looks pretty healthy for Q3 as well.
The.
A lot of the questions that you are asking are.
Our very applicable to the United States were.
You have.
Federal and state government, and endowments and tuition and housing and things like that paying for universities and some universities have a big hospital and and you know that pace that contributes to stanford's budget or or this year, probably bring a shortfall to stanford's budget to pick on a particularly in university.
Those patterns you are really almost unknown outside of the United States.
Academic funding outside of the United States generally is very very robust and and so.
80% of our academic and government research markets are outside the United States and Indio assets more of a mixed picture, yes, and without repeating what I said earlier and what you kind of even put into your question and the U.S.. It's got to be more of a big picture some smaller university some state.
Funded universities, some universities with a big shortfall that they're being hospital, they will be putting they will be putting the cutting budgets and they may slow down a little bit and even in academic hiring oriented and of course, when they get federal when they get federal grant they will they will absolutely take them and those but you know so it'll be a.
Mixed picture it won't be all negative, but he also won't be all positive, whereas I think outside of the United States. The academic funding may have been disrupted, but I think it's incredibly solid and and beyond temporary effects that are really is related to the pandemic in Q2 in Q3, maybe a little bit into Q4, I think will be.
Largely gone and we'll be back at solid academic budgets outside the United States, which is 80% of the academic markets in the U.S. it'll be more mix, there will be winners and losers in terms of budgets and ability to to pay but but I think but I think in the U.S. that ultimately hard to predict U.S. politics isn't that but ultimately.
It seems that there will be bipartisan support I predicted for significant investments in NIH, NSF and even the OE R&D and so on.
So a perfect right. Thank you for that.
I wanted to follow for general isn't so bad because mostly outside the United States. It would go away.
Great and then maybe one follow up ago, I know girls kind of commented on margins I think that Eric's question, but can you elaborate a little bit maybe.
Maybe any color on Cogs opex growth in the back half of your incremental margins anything that any inputs that might help us give us insight about modeling second half margins. Thank you.
Sure well just generally.
My view is that.
What we've modeled in our.
Forecasting is there we'll see sequential improvement both at the revenue line as well as in the margin gross margin mine largely.
Volume and disruptive activities that we had in the second quarter, we don't expect to see necessarily in the third and the fourth quarter. So.
And of course that may be partially offset by some of our cost reduction measures as we relax some of them. So I do think we'll see sequential improvement and that's probably the best I can say.
Likely stronger in the fourth quarter than in the third quarter.
Okay, great. Thank you welcome.
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