Q1 2021 Dorian LPG Ltd Earnings Call
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Greetings and welcome to the Dorian LPG first quarter 20, <unk> earnings Conference call. At this time all participants are in listen only mode. A brief question answer session will follow the formal presentation.
As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Additionally, a live audio webcast of today's conference call is available on Dorian LPG swaps at website, which is www dot Dorian LPG Oh.
I would now like to turn the conference overstated.
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Thank you for Molly good morning, everyone and thank you all for joining us for our first quarter 2021 results conference call with me today, or John Hadjipateras, Chairman, President and CEO Dorian LPG Limited John look worse, Chief Executive Officer, Dorian LPG, U.S. say, Tim Anderson, our Chief Commercial Officer as a reminder, this conference.
Oh web cast a replay of this call will be available through August 11, 2020.
Many of our remarks today contain forward looking statements based on current expectations. These statements may often be identified with words, such as expect anticipate believes or similar indications the future expectations.
Although we believe the such forward looking statements are reasonable we cannot assure you that any for like forward looking statements will prove to be correct. These forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks uncertainties and other factors as well as general economic conditions should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize worsened underlying assumptions are estimates proved to be.
Correct actual results may vary materially from those we expressed today.
Additionally, let me refer you to our unaudited results for the period ended June 30, 2020. There were filed this morning on form 10-Q. In addition, please refer to refer to our previous filings on form 10-K, where you'll find risk factors that could cause actual results could differ materially from those forward looking statements, but that'll turn over the called the Jon Hagey, but.
[music]. Thank you for joining us today.
It has been a challenging quarter, particularly in our mission to keep more than 500 see your ferrous say well facilitating crew more once whenever and wherever possible.
With cold weather conditions and regulations fluctuating around the world, we have taken advantage of windows to move people off and their replacement onto our ships absorbing the protocols, which are mandated and more when considered necessary or desirable.
Our legacy has held to see a pair of the core of our business. It did we see seafarers, that's a central to the world economy.
During this time dynamic many of them how to make sacrifices some by extending their tour duty and all those by not getting back to work when they're ready.
We have increased our focus on intensity on our efforts to Ameliorates. These hardship.
[noise] following our strong performance last fiscal year, the new year has begun positively and we remain optimistic.
Concern about forward U.S. production volumes has waned to a large degree.
We continue to strongly believe in LPG as an environmentally friendly fuel.
No we have with the stand on prepared for further disruption, we do not see permanent demand destruction.
Dorian Lpgs down strongly positioned to service, our customers and create shareholder value with our young eco fleet, a strong balance sheet and ample liquidity.
Our board continuous to evaluate capital allocation options, including dividends acquisitions.
Reduction.
And stock buybacks.
The format of our call today is a little different from previous calls.
John Liquorice will focus on a subject that investors have been increasingly interested in insensitive to.
He will brief you on the company's environmental and energy efficiency profile.
It is as well this update you on our fleet done the World Fleet.
Fluctuate in cold weather conditions were not the only volatility we have been coping with during this quarter and I'm introducing our C. C O Tim Hanson, who will review the cease all of the spot markets.
Finally, a tad will present, the quarter's financial results and recent events.
[laughter], Thank you John [noise].
[noise] Dorian LPG their commitment to address environmental issues started back in 2012 13, well the first newbuilding vessels what order.
We had considered the marine industry is fundamental objective was to align with an advance the IMO initiatives regarding the promotion of environmentally sustainable shipping.
Pollution control and prevention were part of the high most mission and vision statement.
Currently the IMO decarbonization strategy aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 50% by 2050, when compared with 2008.
The vessels built by Dorian LPG in 2014 to 16, well equipped with I call engines ballast water treatment systems scrubbers and Lpgs fuel features what's what novel and implementing new technologies.
Many of these features way integrated and especially design and engineering phase.
In a bad for regulatory frameworks and rule implementation.
They were not in response to the advancement of sustainable shipping.
By managing in Michigan pollution at the new building stage.
Enjoy LPG fleet as Bill has an attain fleet average energy efficiency design Index E D I called <unk>.
5.96 grams of here too, but ton mile versus a regulation requirement for the fleet of 7.72 grams, she or to put ton mile.
The first I know a mission reports were submitted by the anti shipping sector to the IMO data collection system for calendar 2019.
Each ship over 10000 foot well about 5000, well staunch had to submit data updates it gets into compliance and wish it and international energy efficiency certificate.
The data collected from international his extensive in college, among others observe distances fuel consumptions engine running out and other environmental parameters.
That data is used to monitor and report.
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Okay, Nox particulate matter in Michigan produced by each vessel and to assess each battleship efficiency and performance. The data were regularly provide rolling average indexes and establish a good guide a vessel in fleet management overtime.
And main metric calculated on the data is the annual and quarterly report that energy efficiency operationally indicator E ally, which shows the grounds for appeal to a mission, but ton mile for each vessel and for the fleet in total.
He average efficiency ratio a our metric is derived from the vessels I am all Dcs data.
And uses fuel consumption distant traveled and design deadweight ask parameters.
Calculates the carbon intensity in grad subsea two per ton mile.
This metric is elected by the membership to Poseidon principles, representing financial institutions in the maritime sector and is applicable to commercial shipped blending facilities.
The Dorian LPG fleet reported for calendar 2019, and he all like Oh, 17.7 grams or two per ton mile and and hey are or 7.9 to three Gram Sofia two per ton mile compared with the Poseidon principles 2019 trajectory value for the same type of vessel.
All the size over 8.6 grams, a fear to put ton mile.
With these results Dorian would qualify for sustainability margin justman under the 2015 amended and restated facility has reported.
The company is a signatories to the 2018 Globus Maritime form a forum calls to action in support of the.
Carbonization and plans to push to actively those objectives.
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We killed the technical update of the fleet.
We have completed a hybrid scrubber retrofit distillation, another vessel constitution, including dry docking and first special survey.
Eight vessels that now retrofitted with hybrid scrubbers and completed dry docking, especially surveys during the last 12 months.
Including two vessels, which were fitted with ballast water treatment.
Dorian operates a total of 10 scrubber vessels, including two which were founded in 2000, what you're going to 2015 delivery.
We have programming for they retrofit of two scrubber vessels in the coming months to coincide with access upcoming five years special service in dry dockings.
Dorian remains committed to improving environmental emissions, which would the usual scrubbers achieved significant reductions in suffer oxide emissions as well as black carbon and particulate matter emissions.
Normally are released by especially those broadening lower shuffle pure lot.
The current VLGC fleet. According to Clarksons comprises of 299 vessels of which about 10% is either idle in storage or undergoing repairs.
The order book currently stands at 34 vessels or about 11% of the VLGC fleet with four vessels do you have to be delivered this year 21 vessel is expected in 2021 and nine vessels in 2022.
Included in the 2022 deliveries are the three LPG fuel.
You Newbuilding vessels, they'll just be orders, which were announced by a double your shipping and that no. One was joint venture aim to service its 10 year LPG supply contract.
There are currently 27 vessels into fleet, which are 25 years an older.
With that I finished my comments and I will pass it all but the team Hansen Chief Commercial officer Tim.
Yes. Thank you John <unk>, they are global seaborne LPG volumes year to date held steady compared to last year growing less than one since your and your so a total of 53.8 million tons.
Tons volumes during the second calendar quarter, one it's one of the total 26.8 million tons, which was 2.7 year on year decrease U.S. export grows have lost.
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Lack of shipping demand, both east and west started to create links unfolding freight rates, which was accelerated by multiple treat every day.
New building deliveries in Q1 less.
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Well the supply Sars concerns over U.S. NGL production volumes has decreased broken stores levels, a healthy they're standing Simpson's higher than this time last year why production has averaged over shuts ahead of last year and last week's production was reported 6% are then in front you're 90.
Given the wave of infrastructure additions.
During the first calendar quarter going forward, we believe that auction may continue to surprise on the oxide.
On the demand side law school, the Chinese LPG imports declined.
Finds continued mainly due to the coal with 19, Dropdowns holding a 7% year on year.
In South Korea in an Indonesian demand groups or anything Indian imports grew by 16% year over year to 3.8 million funds watch South Korean volumes from 7.9 year on year or 2.2 million tons, an Indonesian oldest grew 21 on one what should you want you to 1.8.
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Well the propane Nasas, Brett Favre knocked the cover most of the quota.
Personally impacting your thoughts real old BG demand this right that's more recent deterrent.
Favor off the LPG cracking economics, thus, we remain quite constructive on democracy instruments sold at this time.
Knowledge the potential born machines, there disruptions, we do sell off on each other.
Thanks, Tim.
My comments today will focus on our financial position liquidity as well as our unaudited first quarter results.
But the discussion of our first quarter results. You may also find useful refer to the investor highlights slide posted this morning on our website <unk>.
We finished the quarter with nearly $158 million, a free cash and short term investments, which reflects an increase of about 94.6 million from last quarter 63 million.
We generated 34.4 million of that from operations, reflecting the strong chartering results really realize during the particularly the first part of the quarter 26.8 million from the two debt transactions that we completed as well as 33.3 million from a cash transfer from our restricted cash account as result of the implementation of the news.
Financial covenants in our 2015 amended and restated facility.
On the last point on July 14, 2020 received the final approvals required to implementing new set of covenants, which among other things eliminate the interest coverage ratio.
Covenant reduces the minimum cash requirement to 27 million from 40 million and eliminates the upward ratchet mechanism on the shareholders equity Covenant return for these improvements we did agree to a modestly higher valued alone covenant honored and 45% versus 135% well, you're a tremendous amount of headroom under that particular covenant.
Is there are currently well over 200%.
Relates to this facility.
We're extremely pleased to be all around an improvement in terms that we received under the 2015, a our facility was recognized our strong performance through the cycle rewarded us with improved financial flexibility.
Importantly in July we also gave three months' notice to the left for the cap and John that we plan to repurchase the best when October by repaying the debt to be outstanding at that point about $18.3 million and applying the sellers credit.
From the inception, the transaction of 26.6 million.
When we complete the payout the Japanese financing arrangement for the captain John which carries a fixed 6% interest rate.
We will realize annual savings of <unk> million for 47, 500 in principle and about 1.1 million in interest and other commissions. These savings equate to about $300 per fleet day, that's calendar days, plus T.C.N. days for <unk> sake clarity.
Turning to our first quarter chartering results, we achieved the total utilization to be 82.3% for the quarter, where the daily T.C.S.P.C. revenue over operating days as those terms are defined in our filings a $41249 yielding utilization adjusted T C or D C revenue per available days.
Ken available days to find in our filings were about $33935.
We estimate industry utilization for the quarter at about 87%, which reflected the slow down and industry activity the tim's already touched on.
Falling some fairly high utilization in April and May.
Spot T.C. per available day, which reflects our portion of the net profit to the Helios pool for the quarter was $34535.
Oh, so the overall healios for pool pool reporting as an entity achieved the spot T C, including Seo ways of approximately $37000 per available day for the quarter.
Our reported chartering results were reduced by about $829 per available day due to the reallocation of full profits as a part of the periodic assessment of relative speed and consumption of the pool members.
In addition, the Helios pool at a small exposure design rock the Singapore based commodity trader that is filed for insolvency and we recognize the pro rata impact our results from this quarter.
[noise] daily Opex for the quarter was $8295 a day, excluding amounts expensed for dry docking. It was 80 686, including those cost.
On a sequential basis.
We saw a modest decrease in our Opex from last quarter's $8556 a day again that number excluded drydocking costs.
Our total DNA for the quarter was $11.3 million and cash DNA.
Hi, he that's DNA, excluding non cash compensation.
I have about what was about $9.4 million.
This amount included annual employee bonuses awarded during the quarter and the amount of $4 million.
Which means that normal in quotes gene a it was about $5.4 million. This number was a little higher than we would normally expect as we incurred about $300000 of DNA costs related to our transition from an emerging growth company.
And as we completed our first fully integrated audit. This past fiscal year. Just ended we do hope to reduce these costs going forward.
Our time charter expense per day was slightly elevated because we'd 11 days the overlap between the Laurel Prime in the asked the most earth.
Our reported adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was 41.1 million.
To give some indication of the chartering market environment, we generated roughly 90% of our EBITDA during the first two months of the quarter.
We look at cash interest expense line that is the some of the line items and interest expense, excluding deferred financing fees and other loan expenses.
And realized gain loss on interest rate swap derivatives on that basis total cash interest expense for the quarter was $6.9 million, which was slightly below the guidance we gave.
In our remarks at the end of last quarter.
We continue to benefit from our hedging policy and the favorable pricing of our Japanese financings, leaving us with the current interest cost fixed hedged in a small flooding piece of 4.11%.
That will decline a bit further after we complete the pay off of the captain John in October.
As reporting matter I'd like to point out that our realized and unrealized gain and loss on derivatives as reflected on the face of RPM. Now also include the effect of our Epay portfolio. The calculation of EBITDA in our filings adds back only the interest on the realized gain loss not yet to have a piece.
I've already touched on our dry docking program.
But I would add that our current financial position allows us to finance whatever drydocking schedule best supports our charters.
Our cash flow and liquidity remains strong.
Since quarter end through July 31, 2020 are restricted and unrestricted cash and short term marketable securities is up at about 160 million.
Although we currently hold to 76 plus percent economic interest in Healios, we do not consolidate its balance sheet accounts, which has the effect is somewhat understating our cash from working capital. That's we believe this use will provide some additional insight in order to give a more complete picture.
As of Friday July 31, 2020, the pool at roughly 20 million of cash on hand, reflecting the fact, the pull it just paid a distribution at the end of the higher week.
We feel that our liquidity and capital structure, it position us well for whatever rate environment, we faced in the coming months and we believe that are that allows our company to make capital allocation allocation decisions from a position of strength.
As John noted, we've elected to de leverage which we believe represents an excellent use of shareholder funds is it permanently reduces our cash cost per day per.
Particularly with the backdrop at some global uncertainty.
We still have over $50 million remaining under our share buyback authorization and we remain interested in accretive growth opportunities that meet our risk reward criteria. We will continue to be prudent in deploying cash, but our financial position allows us to act quickly on meaningful opportunities as they arise with Adam ill turn it back to John Hadjipateras [noise].
Thanks Ted.
Well happy to take some questions.
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And our first question comes on the line Omar Nokta.
Clarksons Plateau Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you Hey, guys.
Yeah.
Hi, there.
Just wanted to ask obviously the market gotten much stronger here over the past six seven weeks.
And you know you've talked a good amount about and it was in the release the to the fact that the propane NAFTA spreads have reverted back to kind of where they were prior to the disruption, but we haven't really seen a ah that reversion back where regional prices between propane here in the U.S. versus Europe.
Just for why there is still fairly tighter.
But despite that rates have strengthened and now you know reached 50000, a day plus on the spot market No I guess, one or is it are you surprised that just how strong the market has gotten without those differentials in place then and then to does that make you nervous or cautious on the outlook.
[laughter] Omar we're always nervous and cautious, but [laughter], but I think that a Tim is gone.
Good answer for the for the.
As a generic arb question that Youre really putting here right. There was saying if you're on paper that doesn't seem to be an arb can we how is it the freight rates go supported.
Tim you want to have a go it does.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's all they the opposite not massively my husband and all that.
See the the pet Chem bias in Europe come back to the market then and through the shape.
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And then is actually went went pretty pretty quick when we sold the or.
The rest of the Europe also returning and the demand going up or <unk> or <unk> in target for older Ferguson and all that so.
He created this that's kind of a surge right where everybody was what scrapping CLO funds or are they going from the this the mature enough demography spin.
I will touch upon a little bit that.
That's a little bit more disappearing from the illness when there when the market felt good examples.
So steaming and ER and holding back a bit.
Fixing and I think.
With the big.
Change.
Or maybe someone was caught a little bit all parts of price.
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I didn't see the changing that quickly and that helped of course the mortgage went back.
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In some of the shipping maybe not.
ER should maybe not I've gone through the Opex levels, you can say so the market was actually you know as long as I said, what so.
Let's see what the negative sentiment, let them off at night.
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Okay. Thank you Justin.
That does appreciate the thanks for that color you know we've seen obviously, we've been seeing reports that you know when looking at the fixtures that vessels are being fixed no. Five six weeks ahead of time no in the second quarter, where we had to cope with 19 disruptions in a slow down and just overall trade now utilization was 80% as you highlighted.
For the spot fleet, how are you guys thinking about where utilization is having a third quarter. You can you see it recovering back to that 90% plus it had been.
So the prior quarter.
Yeah, I again I'll defer to.
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Yes.
Definitely.
Of course lived with a high the market into higher rates or fixing further had the utilization is coming back I think also the.
The way that you look at these 80% is.
What was booked and at the end of June if you look at like operational.
I lead time it was.
Still in the low Ninetys Ah.
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So as I think Oh.
Of course, he do marketable will tighten and.
This one market is that the states other than that.
Okay, and just to make sure I heard you correctly, you're saying that we by the end of June it was back into the low nineties.
No I'm, saying that that the or 880%.
That is that it's calculated here is you know that their financial Oh, I think time, which which doesn't take what was fixed into June or July that that sorry.
Okay.
And then you know Ted and more on this on a financial side. Clearly you guys have built up a a lot of cash and liquidity I did want to ask about the the sale lease back on the at the Captain John NP, you exercise the option and just want to make sure I understand that correctly, you you basically going to Uh huh.
You're going to give the owner 18.9 of cash. They will also take the 26.6 million unrestricted cash and so that totals somewhere in the mid fortys is that that looks to be kind of the carrying value of the shift at least on your and your financial <unk> what are your thoughts Oh.
Or plans with that with this vessel going forward is one that you want to own and just habit all cash.
You refinance or you intend to sell it.
But for the moment, that's they are thought it's hard to keep that the ship is going to be all cash, but I think Ted wants to clarify a little bit.
From your question.
And the economics, just economic yeah, just just to be clear there. It's a seller's deposit Omar that I'm. There is no restricted cash so basically all its going to happen is they're gonna, we're going to pay an $18.3 million and they sort of notionally kept the deposit at the time, so well pay up 18 million and that's all that will happen and then if you pull.
On out it will be debt free and you know as John just touched on that gives us a lot of flexibility to do.
Whatever we want with it.
Okay and that and they plan I guess is to have a bit more flexibility.
Exchange for 89 of cash you'll just effectively have a debt free vessel.
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Yep.
Okay Cool I appreciate that the market color and financial color I'll leave it there thanks guys.
Thanks, Omar appreciate it take care.
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Hey, guys, so going into this sort of carbon disruption.
It's like you spent a fair amount of well focus on sort of building a war chest cash.
I'm reticent to saying that we're sort of through call that especially in light of potential second wave but.
With great markets sort of improving for Vlgcs, possibly <unk>.
Lapping some the worst parts of the market disruption how are you starting to think about about sort of the capital deployment, you 50 million left on that.
The authorization what would the focus media continued deleveraging essentially buyback or what do you guys thinking sort of in light of the changing market.
Ted Ted do you want to pick that sure you know I think I think show the glibly answer is probably a bit all the above.
I think you know I don't think anyone should read anything into the fact that we are that we then we played a lot of excess cash into the into paying off the John is any believed that our shareholder that our buyback activity should be curtailed.
I think it was that it was a smart move at the time and a you know we like it.
Yeah, I think going forward, it's gonna be fat than circumstance dependent obviously things look good.
At the moment as Tim is a pretty well outlined and I think if you know as our confidence grows a near term outlook.
You know, we may <unk> and if it depending how the stock price responds or doesn't respond well certainly a look at buybacks. You know we still have we feel it could pay down some debt, but we're really happy with where we're sitting and you know well have to see what opera other opportunities may present themselves.
In terms of potential opportunities to grow the fleet or whatever else. So I think the point of this financial flexibility is to give us full optionality and I think that's what we've achieved and not trying to dance around the question, but it but it's going to be facts and circumstance dependent.
Okay.
And then I think you have to commitments for in our remaining for the scrubbers and you did obviously along preamble on yes gene you believed that the scrubbers are important part of your of your yes, you focus but is there any thought now with the lower spread.
Hi, softer the low carbon fuel oil and most likely not massively resurging.
Steel demand, especially in light of probably more work from home and another changes.
Would you consider trying to delay those scrubbers at cancel scrubbers and that is there any contract optionality that are just cannot continue to do that one one a bit when possible.
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Hi, Simon.
Yes, there is optionality and flexibility.
Hi, slate, we will do it whenever.
It's suitable and it fits the scheduling of the ships and we do have a number ships it needs to be.
Ah Ah dry docked and special surveyed et cetera, and we will try to combine it it adds a days to that to the works, but it is a effectively.
As we said before.
An advantageous solution.
Environmentally and also a fuel wise.
We understand that the spreads are [noise].
Smaller in absolute terms, however, as percentage.
They are still around 20%.
Cheaper than the compliant Ah fuel of today.
To buy.
That's helpful. Hilla, So that's spread may change in the future we understand that a fuel oil has been sought after to distill and crack.
Additional low sulfur fuel oil however, at some point things are going to reverse back and we may see those spreads change again, so it's a moving market, yes, as we see it.
Okay. So even right now those are economically attractive.
Alright, Thanks, guys, that's all that.
Thank you thank you Sir.
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