Q4 2020 Midland States Bancorp Inc Earnings Call
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Thank you Brandy and good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today for the Midland States Bancorp fourth quarter 2020 earnings call joining.
Joining us from Midland Spansion team are Jeff Ludwig President and Chief Executive Officer, and Eric Lemke, Chief Financial Officer, we will be using a slide presentation as part of our discussion. This morning, if you've not done so already please visit the webcasts and presentations page of Midland Investor Relations website to download a copy of the presentation.
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Jeff Jeff.
Good morning, everyone welcome to the Midland States earnings call I'm going to start on slide three with the highlights of the fourth quarter. Our reported results reflected one time charges related to the prepayment of FHL be advances excluding those charges. We delivered another strong performance this quarter. Despite the continuing challenges presented by the ongoing.
Pandemic, we had adjusted earnings of $12 5 million for 54 cents per share, which included $3 2 million impairment of commercial mortgage servicing rights. Excluding this impairment charge. We also had adjusted pretax pre provision income of $28 9 million. This represents an <unk>.
Justin pretax pre provision return on average assets of $1, six 9%, which reflects the strong overall level of profitability that we are now producing the FHL be prepayments were part of an overall restructuring of our <unk> advances that we did to better match, our near term funding needs.
And reduce our interest expense.
We prepaid $114 million of longer term advances that have the weighted average rate of two 1% the.
These prepayments resulted in a onetime charge of $4 9 million that we expect to earn back of an approximately three years by prepaying. These advances we will reduce our interest expense by $2 3 million in 2021, which should positively impact our net interest margin by two to three basis.
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During the quarter. We also added about $200 million in short term <unk> advances. So despite the prepayments we are showing an overall increase in <unk> borrowings. These low cost short term borrowings are being utilized to fund the expansion of credit lines, we provide to our commercial FHA lending clients.
The strong performance this quarter was driven by a continuation of a number of positive trends, we are seeing over the past several quarters, most notably a higher level of loan growth that helped drive an increase in our net interest income.
Our total loans increased an annualized rate of 13, 2% in the quarter as our equipment Finance group continues to perform well and we saw greater utilization of warehouse lines provided the commercial FHA lenders.
Due to the nature of the warehouse lines, we will see some fluctuation in these balances going forward.
In addition, we saw improved demand and pricing on commercial real estate loans, which enabled us to grow our CRE balances for the first time in quite a while on the liability side of the balance sheet. We continue to see an improvement in our deposit mix.
And total deposits increased at an annualized rate of five 6% driven largely by continued increases in core deposits.
This resulted in a further reduction of our cost of deposits with the strong loan demand, we were able to redeploy some of our excess liquidity into higher yielding earning assets.
Bind with our lower cost of deposits. This helped us to offset lower yields on earning assets and keep our net interest margin stable during the quarter, excluding the impact of PPP related income.
Looking at asset quality, we continue to be encouraged by the overall trends we are seeing.
We were able to successfully resolve some of our larger long term problem loans during the quarter with no meaningful additional write downs required.
Combined with minimal inflow of new loans into non accrual our total non accrual loans declined by about 20% from the end of the prior quarter.
We continue to see a decline in our level of deferred loans as well as more borrowers returning to either full or partial scheduled payments.
We are closely monitoring these borrowers and receive updates on their business trends and financial performance.
And as conditions improve we continually put new terms in place that will support these borrowers while their business recovers, while also moving them closer to resuming their full scheduled payments.
While we are seeing encouraging trends there is still a great deal of uncertainty regarding the timing of a stronger economic recovery.
In light of this we continue to build our reserve coverage, which now represents 1.18% of total loans and 112% of nonperforming loans.
Moving to slide for who will provide an update on our PPP efforts and the impact that these loans had on various line items in the fourth quarter.
Through the end of the year, we had about $93 million of our PPP loans received forgiveness and through January 25th that number is now up to $116 million.
This brought our total amount of PPP loans down to $184 million at the end of the year.
With the loan forgiveness accelerating our fee recognition on PPE alone.
Our fee recognition on PPP loans, we recognized $3 1 million in fees during the fourth quarter up from $1 1 million in the prior quarter.
This left for $3 million and fees remaining to be recognized from the first PPP program.
In terms of the new PPP program, we have started taking applications and through January 25th we had received applications for approximately $60 million on loans.
Turning to slide five we will provide an update on our loan deferrals at December 31, we had $209 million in loan deferrals, which represented a decline of 25% from the end of the prior quarter. Our loan deferrals now represent just about 4% of our total loans.
As I mentioned, we are moving more borrowers to at least a partial payment of their deferred loan as a result, the amount the amount of loans on full payment deferral dropped from $238 million at the end of the last quarter to $106 million, while loans with interest only deferrals increased.
For $103 million from $41 million.
Last quarter.
The largest contributor to our deferrals continues to be the hotel motel sector. While one area that we have seen significant improvement in assisted living facilities, which now do not represent a meaningful portion of our total loan deferrals at this point I'm going to turn the call over to Eric to provide some additional details around our fourth quarter.
For performance, Eric Thanks, Jeff I'm, starting on slide six and we will take a look at our loan portfolio. Our total loans increased to $162 million or three 3% from the end of the prior quarter.
If you exclude the impact of PPP loans and the run off we had related to the forgiveness than our total loans increased $255 million or five 5% from the prior quarter.
This increase was primarily driven by for areas first of $137 million increase in warehouse lines of credit to commercial FHA originators, which includes the new relationship with Dwight capital that we entered into as part of the sale of our origination platform net.
Next the expansion of two existing relationships resulted in an increase in commercial loans of approximately $59 million.
After that of $46 million increase in the equipment finance portfolio, which continues to experience strong demand in both construction and manufacturing and finally of $29 million increase in commercial real estate loans.
The growth in these areas has helped to offset a decline in our residential real estate portfolio as we're not making an effort to retain loans that are looking to refinance.
On slide seven we have provided an update on our equipment finance portfolio.
As of December 31, we had $50 million of deferrals, which represents the decline of 33% since the end of the last quarter.
All of the deferrals represent borrowers and the transit and ground transportation industry. Many of which are operators of tour buses, who have been temporarily impacted by the decline in travel we're continuing to work with these borrowers on payment programs to bridge the gap from now until an eventual rebound in travel.
And more than half of our deferrals on this portfolio are now, making a partial payment of some kind of.
We're also evaluating the potential of borrowers in this portfolio to receive another round of PPP funding or other temporary stimulus.
On slide eight we've provided an overview of our hotel motel portfolio at December 31, we had $83 million of loan deferrals in this portfolio, which is down 22% from the end of the prior quarter.
We continue to see positive trends in occupancy rates and cash flows and many borrowers which is enabling them to resume at least partial payments.
As of December 31, we had approximately 34% of our deferred loans in this portfolio of making interest only or some other form of payment up from 18% at the end of the prior quarter.
Looking at slide nine we have provided an update on the consumer loan portfolio that we have through our relationship with Green Sky. We had just $3 million of deferred loans in this portfolio as of December 31, which represents less than half of 1% of the total loans.
The portfolio continues to perform well over the past few quarters and the delinquency rate has stayed in the 30 to 40 basis point range.
In addition to the strong performance. The escrow account is available to cover any deficiency and Midlands principal balances the <unk>.
Escrow accounts stood at just under $30 million at the end of the year.
Our total balances and the Green Sky portfolio remained relatively flat during the fourth quarter and we expect it to remain in this range throughout 2021.
Turning to slide 10, we'll take a look at our deposits.
Total deposits increased $72 million of one 4% from the prior quarter.
The growth was attributable to increases in retail and commercial FHA servicing deposits, which were partially offset by declines in commercial customer deposits and money market accounts.
The deposit flows this quarter drove an improvement in our deposit mix with noninterest bearing deposits, increasing the 28, 8% of total deposits from 26, 9% at the end of the prior quarter looking.
Looking ahead for the first quarter, we will have additional opportunities to run off higher cost time deposits.
We have a little more than $100 million of Cds maturing at a weighted average rate of $1, 109% as these deposits renew at current rates, we should see a positive impact on our deposit costs.
Looking at Slide 11, we will walk through the trends of our net interest income and margin. Our net interest income increased seven 1% from the prior quarter due to higher average loan balances as well as the expansion in our net interest margin the <unk>.
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Our net interest margin for the quarter, excluding the impact of PPP income was 336%.
Going forward, we expect our net interest margin, excluding the impact of PPP income to remain flat as potential increases in margin from a shift in earning assets noted in the fourth quarter combined with additional declines on our cost of interest bearing liabilities will be offset by continued reduction.
<unk> and accretion income.
Turning to slide 12, we will look at the trends in our wealth management business with markets rebounding during the fourth quarter, we saw a $220 million increase on our assets under administration.
The higher assets under administration resulted in a five 6% increase on our revenue compared to prior quarter.
On slide 13, we'll take a look at noninterest income.
This was the first full quarter without the commercial FHA origination platform.
We also saw a decline in refinancing activity and the seasonal slowdown we normally see at the end of the year in mortgage banking both factors created a difficult comparison of the fourth quarter results to prior quarters compounding. This was of $2 $3 million impairment on commercial mortgage servicing right.
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And some securities gains we recorded in the prior quarter.
All of this resulted in a 24% decline in noninterest income compared to the prior quarter when the impairment and securities gains are excluded.
The decline was just 10%, which was largely attributable to lower mortgage banking and commercial FHA revenue.
Turning to slide 14, we'll review our noninterest expense.
Our total expenses were impacted by a number of items this quarter, including the <unk> prepayment fees of loss on residential mortgage servicing rights held for sale and a small amount of residual charges related to our branch and corporate facilities consolidation.
When these items are excluded our non interest expense was up a bit from the prior quarter, primarily due to three items.
First in light of the impact of COVID-19 had on our employees ability to take vacation in 2020, we made the decision to allow a onetime rollover of vacation time and recorded an accrual for that rollover.
We had an increase in incentive compensation to reflect the stronger performance in the second half of the year.
And also in light of the impact of COVID-19, we increased our contribution to the Midland Foundation in order to provide more assistance to the communities that we serve.
As we start 2021, we will realize the full cost savings from the consolidations, which should put our quarterly operating expense in the range of $39 million to $40 million per quarter.
Turning to slide 15, we will look at our asset quality trends are.
Our nonperforming loans decreased $13 $3 million from the end of the prior quarter as we were able to resolve some of our longer term problem loans without any material additional losses.
We also transferred some loans to other real estate owned and had minimal new inflow, which also accounted for the decline in nonperforming loans.
Our net charge offs declined from the prior quarter and were just $2 3 million or 19 basis points of average loans.
We reported a provision for loan losses of $10 million, which reflects the loan growth we had in the quarter as well as additional reserves allocated to the equipment finance and commercial real estate portfolios at December 31, approximately 96% of our allowance for credit losses was allocated to general reserves.
On slide 16, we show the components of the change in our allowance for credit losses from the end of the prior quarter, our ACL increased by $7 7 million and strengthened our reserve to 118 basis points of total loans from 107 basis points at the end of the.
The prior quarter.
With economic forecasts stabilizing this component is having less of an impact on the reserve Bill as it was last quarter. The biggest contributor is changes in our portfolio largely resulting from new loans.
Downgrades to risk ratings and adjustments for Covid impacted loans on deferrals or other payment plans.
On slide 17, we show our allowance for credit losses broken out by portfolio. The reserve build this quarter was primarily driven by an increase in coverage on our commercial real estate and equipment finance portfolios. In addition to the ACL to total loans. We also track the coverage ratio when excluding <unk>.
On portfolios with certain credit enhancements or government guarantees, including the PPP portfolio, our green Sky loans and commercial FHA warehouse lines. When these loans are excluded our ACL coverage increases to 152% compared to 136%.
At the end of the prior quarter.
And with that I will turn the call back over to Jeff Jeff Alright, Thanks, Eric will wrap up on slide 18, with a few comments on our outlook and priorities for 2021.
The first and foremost we will continue to focus on maintaining strong capital and liquidity. So that we are well positioned to continue supporting our clients and communities through the duration of the pandemic.
We will also continue to capitalize on those areas, where we see loan demand in the current environment. We expect equipment finance the continue to grow at a strong rate and commercial FHA warehouse lines will be of larger contributor to the overall loan mix, although there will be fluctuations in those balances as I mentioned earlier.
We're also looking to increase loan production in our traditional community and commercial banking areas given the trends we're seeing in commercial real estate. We believe we could have better opportunities to stem off the run off we have seen in the portfolio in recent years, if not grow those balances.
And we have also made some recent hires with an eye on increasing our production and a few niche areas.
SBA agribusiness lending and specialty finance we.
We intend to sell the guaranteed portion of the SBA production, we don't expect it to be of meaningful source of noninterest income this year, but over time, it's a new source of revenue and loan growth that we look to expand with.
But the growth expected in equipment finance commercial FHA warehouse lines and commercial real estate, we are targeting loan growth in the low to mid single digits, excluding activity in the PPP portfolio.
This should lead to higher net interest income and with the lower cost structure. We have in place. Following the actions. We took last year, we should be able to increase our operating leverage and see more of our revenue growth fall from the bottom line.
Our goal is to continue to tightly manage expenses, although we will continue to invest in technology to improve our operations over the last few years. Our technology spend was primarily focused on upgrading older systems, and adding new resources that reduced cost and improved efficiencies and these efforts have been.
Very successful in building the foundation of a robust digital platform.
We recently launched online retail account opening and digital origination portfolio portal for mortgage applications and later this year, we will be adding peer to peer payments and digital loan platform for consumer and small business lending going forward will shift more of our technology spend towards investments that will enable.
The us to capture more wallet share from existing clients and enhance our revenue generation.
These investments include data analytics that we will use to create an automated analytics based marketing platform to help us determine the most appropriate products and services to offer of both new and existing customers. We are already seeing good results for many of our initiatives and we're confident that these investments will continue to positively.
The impact of our deposit gathering loan production and fee generation with.
With the pandemic, continuing we will remain internally focused and as a result, we are not expecting a significant acquisition. This year. However, we are evaluating opportunities for smaller add on acquisition and niche business lines, such as wealth management.
As we have had a number of successful acquisitions in the wealth management area in the past and we'd like to further increase the source of reoccurring revenue.
And finally, we intend to employ a balanced approach to capital deployment, while we expect to continue to increase the amount of capital that we return to shareholders through increases in our quarterly dividends and share repurchase activity. The decision on the amount of the increase will be balanced with our objective to raise our capital ratio.
<unk> above our current levels. So that we are better positioned to support continued organic growth and eventually M&A opportunities.
In closing, while it's hard to say that we are optimistic in the middle of the pandemic. It does accurately characterized how we feel about the progress we've made in restructuring our operations over the last two years to create a more efficient more profitable institution in 2018, our efficiency ratio was <unk>.
66, 1% and by the end of 2020, we had brought it down to 58, 6%.
And the last year alone, we have eliminated expenses through our branch consolidations and the sale of our commercial FHA platform restructure of RF <unk> advances to reduce interest expense and support our net interest margin and continued investing in technology to enhance efficiencies and <unk>.
Improved revenue generation as a result of all of these actions.
We begin 2021, we are in much better position to realize strong operating leverage as we continue to grow our balance sheet and drive higher earnings and improved profitability in the years to come with that we'll be happy to take any questions. Operator, you can open the call.
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Your first question comes from Michael Perito of K B W.
Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question.
Happy new year.
Wanted to start.
On the on Slide 18 here I was wondering if you could maybe spend a minute Jeff on some of these new commercial banking verticals that you're expanding into SBA is crucial seven day that you're doing is it regionally focused or is it national you know maybe a little bit more color of example, about the agribusiness lending and then ditto on the specialty finances.
Well.
Yes, so we've always done done some SBA seven day business.
So we've sort of dabbled in it.
At this point, where we're starting to put some dedicated sales for.
Folks on that line and it'll be sort of in market, so not a national footprint.
I think a good additional product line for the community Bank group so.
We're going on we're going to start within the markets.
And we think there's some opportunities there.
On the agribusiness side.
In the middle of AG country, as you know, there's corn all around us and we do some AG not not a lot, but there is an opportunity there for us we believe.
And we've.
Hired hired of lender in that space to help us.
Pursue some some agribusiness not necessarily farm operations, but sort of the next ring out of farm operations on agribusiness, and we think Theres some opportunity there given our geography, and then on the especially finance of sort of the term we used internally we have what we call our special.
The finance group and they do.
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Tax credit deals in.
Yes.
Commercial real estate rehab type of projects that are maybe a little more.
Yeah.
Yes.
Complex, if you will and we're adding another lender so to that team and we've seen some good growth out of that group.
And so we're encouraged that with those hires we can continue to build some loan.
Loan growth going forward.
That's really helpful. Jeff Thanks, and it seems like you've got those three lines. The equipment Finance unit continues to have some.
Some success.
June balances tick up and then CRE activity seems a little elevated so when I think about your low to mid single digit growth for 2021, I mean, it would seem like maybe there are some other portfolio portfolios you guys might be deemphasizing and I'm. Just curious that I guess is that true and then or is it just really the PPP loans potentially running off at some point presumably.
And then follow up for that just would be how do you see the loan mix kind of shifting over the next 12 months to 24 months I mean do you sort of target are you guys trying to make a purposeful effort against some higher yielding stuff for or how should we think about that.
Yes, I would say on the consumer side.
We're we're planning for this year to hold the consumer portfolio sort of flat, so thats sort of maybe be the remix.
On.
We've seen.
A fair amount of runoff in commercial real estate I think in some regards it's been disciplined over the over the last few years to maybe not chased them deals.
Our commercial real estate as a percent of capital is fairly low and quite a bit lower than our peer group. So I think we have and we have some capacity to put some commercial real estate on the books.
And so maybe.
On the consumer side, we're not.
We're not putting residential mortgages on those are any any payoffs there we're trying to refinance into the secondary market.
Consumer I think we're going to try to hold rough rough.
Relatively flat and then the mix change of probably mostly being commercial real estate.
And in commercial.
Our Midland equipment Finance group continues to see some good demand in the market.
The around the manufacturing.
Construction type of industries.
Got it.
That's helpful and then just.
Lastly for me on the debt.
The comment about wealth acquisitions curious if you could help for.
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On that a few different ways in the past you know whats the appetite look like what are you guys out there looking for an end.
How does the kind of the pricing and competition for for those types of deals at this point in the marketplace.
Yes.
So smaller add on nothing that's going to materially change the trajectory of that business, but.
If we could find something that can add a 10% 15% would be of goods good add on.
I'm trying to find good businesses of good good pricing and the pricing can at times get challenging.
But we do see an opportunity or two out there that were sort of hopeful on.
So it would be kind of a regional.
Yes, yes.
The building out current current business lines within wealth management in current geographies.
Got it.
Awesome very helpful guys. Thank you very much thanks, Mike.
Your next question comes from the line of Terry Mcevoy of Stephens.
Good morning, guys.
Good morning.
I appreciate the the outlook on expenses for the first couple of quarters of 39% to 40.
As you think about the full year could you just talk about whether there's a need to invest in technology Jeff.
Jeff you kind of ran through some new hires on the lending side.
Along the same lines as are there also opportunities to kind of think about the branch network and reduce the the footprint there.
Yes, the way I think of expenses is that sort of guidance for me is it's hard to predict the whole year, but it's sort of how we think about the whole year. So that 39% to 40 is sort of sort of how I at least think about every quarter in 2021.
I think we've the.
The technology spend we've been spending.
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In that area for for many years now I think I don't see us spending more money I see the money that we're spending sort of shifting and where we're spending from <unk>.
Getting some foundational technology.
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Foundational technology plays that we've invested in to generate revenue so the.
To me of shift in how we're spending the dollars not necessarily spending more dollars.
And then and then on the on the sales side of some of this is as a.
Sort of.
Reallocation of of resources.
Resources into other lines.
Thanks, and then Jeff I guess reading between the lines is the buyback on hold.
Given the growth commentary on the loans and the need to build capital when I look back at the last quarter capital did come down a bit and you were active repurchasing stock.
So we have roughly $65 $6 million left in the plan.
And I guess, what I would say is if our of our stocks trading under tangible book value.
The.
A small player and buybacks.
But we're what we're trying to do now is.
Build the.
Build the capital ratios.
But if there's an opportunity in the quarter to buy some stock back at below tangible book value will probably do that.
Thanks, and then just a follow up.
Last question here.
I look at the ACL for equipment finance its about $11 million.
And then there's $44 million of deferrals, and the transit and ground passenger portfolio and.
And another bank move that to non accrual debt this past quarter. So.
Could you just help me get comfortable with the reserve specific for that equipment finance portfolio, given just the elevated level of deferrals and what could be some additional kind of stress and loss potential there.
I'll take the beginning of the alternative for but I think theres two pieces in there right. There is on equipment. There is of loan piece of the lease piece in.
About two 5% for two to two 5% of the balance so I think it's more than on it.
Maybe you can look that up Eric.
But as you can imagine we're we're stressing that portfolio.
On a regular basis debt.
I think we're really encouraged by the fact that a lot of those customers are now making up of payment whether it's interest only for contact payment of partial payment.
That is encouraging.
And I think as it relates to accrual non accrual.
I think those decisions will begin the.
Get clear for us as we get through the first and into the second quarter.
Anything else Erik Yes, Terry to kind of follow up on that so.
Our debt portfolio of discussed split into loans and leases and when you look at our entire portfolio, we of about 17 $18 million on reserves against it.
Constantly stress testing that transportation portfolio in general on reaching out to those borrowers and understanding where they are.
We have started to see some small losses from that transportation portfolio.
But kind of as Jeff said, we're trying to set payment plans to get them through to about April when we hopefully can see elevated travel or at least travel somewhat back to.
Some sort of sustainable level and get been reassessed from there.
Great I appreciate the additional color. Thanks.
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Your next question comes from the line of Nathan race of Piper Sandler.
Hey, guys good morning.
Good morning.
Just continuing the credit discussion just a quick question around how we should think about the.
The provision.
In 2021.
Obviously non performers came down charge offs came down.
But it seems like the deferrals are still elevated some segments for you guys are expecting much losses generally against near term or as this cycle continues to unfold just any kind of commentary just in terms of what would you expect in terms of.
The additional ACL builds starting off this year.
Yes, I'd be happy to answer that so theres still a fair amount of economic uncertainty out there, but I think at this point, how we view it.
Is that we've sort of reached peak ACL build and going forward any increases would be from loan growth for.
For mixes to that loan portfolio as we kind of discussed earlier.
And so of provisions going forward would be to replenish because of any charge offs that we see.
And we will see some I think we're kind of expecting to see those come through maybe maybe late second third quarter.
Got you and Eric can you kind of just like for you what those charge offs expectations things.
Things are a little bit elevated early last year.
I imagine that may not repeat to the same degree. So are we talking like 30 bps as charge offs potentially increase.
Yes.
At the difficult question, but I will take the shot at it. So so Nathan if you remember our charge offs were elevated we took a lot of charge offs in the first quarter resolving some old specific reserves on some older loans that we had on the books last year.
So that's partially why were elevated in 2020.
Going forward.
What were kind of thinking is that.
An estimate could be somewhere between 40, and 50 basis points of total loans.
With the met portfolio of being on the high end of that range and the other portfolio of being on the lower end of that range.
Yeah.
Okay got it that's helpful. And then I think we think we think for provision will be less this year than it was last year.
Understood that's helpful.
Just changing gears.
In terms of the court.
The income outlook for 2021, if we kind of strip out some of the <unk>.
Servicing of impairment adjustments and those marks.
Last year, just any thoughts of just in terms of overall.
Of the income growth. This year mortgage also would be a challenge to offset but just generally.
Can you kind of think about the run rate entering.
2021.
Okay.
Yes, I think our fees for the quarter. If you add back the the impairment is a number of the.
That's the.
Not a bad starting point I think we feel good that we can continue to grow our wealth management revenue.
I think theres some comps.
As we look back the 2020, they're going to be helpful. Right. When it comes the service charges.
And.
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It should continue to move in the right direction as long as.
The pandemic doesn't revert back in the.
The stimulus sort of when it comes out sort of puts a little pressure on on.
On some of those revenue lines you are.
Mortgage is going to be there's a little bit of headwind there in terms of.
We don't expect as much refinance business in 'twenty, one is 20.
But we are we're.
We're putting some more capacity there as well the sort of offset some of the refinance.
A business that we that we may lose so.
And then and then commercial FHA is going to look a lot probably like the current quarter theres not going be a lot of revenue there it's going to be the servicing revenue on that.
All of that servicing book.
Alright.
That's very helpful.
I appreciate guys taking the questions. Thank you.
The.
At this time I show no further questions I would now like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.
Alright, Thanks for everybody I think we believe we had a very productive year in 2020 and real excited about what we can do in 2021. So thanks.
Thanks for joining and we'll see you next quarter.
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