Q3 2021 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd Earnings Call (Chinese, English)

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Thank you.

Good day, everyone and welcome to Alibaba Group December quarter, 2020 results conference call.

With us are Daniel Zhang Chairman and CEO.

Joe Tsai Executive Vice Chairman Maggie.

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This call is also being webcast on our.

IR section of a couple of website a replay of the call will be available on our website as of today.

Now, let me quickly cover the safe Harbor.

Today's discussion may contain forward looking statements forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations.

For detailed discussions of these risks and uncertainties.

Please refer to our latest annual report on form 20-F, and other documents filed with the U S SEC or announced on the website of Hong Kong stock exchange and any forward looking statements that we make on this call.

Based on assumptions as of today, and we do not undertake any obligation to update these statements except under applicable law.

Please note that certain financial measures that we use on this call such as adjusted EBITDA.

The EBITDA margin adjusted EBITA adjusted EBIDTA margin marketplace based core commerce adjusted EBITA non-GAAP net income non-GAAP diluted earnings per share or <unk> and.

And free cash flow are expressed on the non-GAAP basis, our GAAP results and reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP measures can be found on our earnings press release.

Unless otherwise noted growth rate of all stated metrics mentioned during this call refer to year over year growth versus the same quarter last year.

In addition, during today's call management and will give their prepared remarks in English.

Third party translated and will provide simultaneous chess Chinese translation on another conference line.

Please refer to our press release for details during the <unk>.

Q&A session, we will take questions and both English and Chinese and the third party translate and I will provide consecutive translation. All translations are for convenience purposes, only and the case of any discrepancy managements day. The statement in the origin of the language will prevail.

With that I will now turn it over to Daniel.

Thanks, Rob.

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining our earnings call today.

Alibaba group delivered another strong quarter on.

Our revenue increased 37% year over year to reach 221 billion RMB, while adjusted EBIDTA increased 21% year over year to reach $51 3 billion RMB.

And new active consumers and the <unk> of our China retail marketplaces continued to enjoy healthy growth.

With pulp out deals, surpassing 100 meeting mobile and the use for the first time.

We celebrated another milestone with Alibaba cloud.

Which achieved its first profitable quarter with positive adjusted EBIDTA.

These business trends are all quite encouraging and are supported by a China economy that has recovered rapidly from the pandemic.

Maggie will provide more details on our operating and financial performance and a few minutes.

I would like to address another subject the ever.

The one is equal and focused on.

Which of the potential impact of China's changing regulatory environment on <unk>.

And the platform companies.

I will share the latest updates on this topic.

This past quarter Alibaba experienced the suspicion of and groups IPO due to change in the Fintech regulatory environment as well as the initiation of and anti monopoly investigation by regulators in China.

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On December 24th 2020, Alibaba group received a notice of and investigation from the state of the administration for market regulation.

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And that it has commenced and investigation pursuant to the PRC anti monopoly law.

The investigation is ongoing and we are fully cooperating with the EMR.

We have established a special task force with leaders from our relevant business units to conduct the internal reviews.

We will continue to actively communicate with the S. A M R on compliance with regulatory requirements.

We will further update the market where on the investigation is concluded.

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As a China retail marketplace connecting hundreds of millions of consumers and the millions of merchants in transactions valued in trillions of RMB.

We have a deep appreciation of the significant social and public responsibilities of operating our platform.

Beyond complying with regulatory requirements.

We will continue to do our best to fulfill our responsibilities to society and the continued to causes such as consumer protection.

Digitization of retail and industrial upgrading.

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Regarding and group.

As you know in early November.

And group announced the suspense us announced the suspension of its proposal the only listing.

And the initial public offering on the Shanghai Stock Exchange Star Board.

And the Hong Kong stock exchange.

Due to recent significant change in the Fintech regulatory environment in China.

And is in the process of developing its ratification plan.

Which will need to go through the relevant regulatory procedures.

Therefore, and groups business prospects and IPO plans are subject to substantial uncertainties.

Currently we are unable to make a complete and the fair.

Settlement of the impact that these change and uncertainty will have on Alibaba group.

We will update the market when.

And one and group has completed the relevant regulatory procedures for its rectification plan.

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We received questions regarding weather and.

Any potential reduction in available consumer credit law.

And gross offers offerings, such as floppy would impact consumer spending on our China retail marketplaces.

I want to highlight that the.

The variability of crowded is not the major reason that motivates consumers to shop on our China retail marketplaces.

They are attracted by our comprehensive and of high quality product and sort of service offerings.

Our competitive pricing.

And our ability to satisfy and stimulate consumption needs.

Payments using partly on our China retail marketplaces, only represents a very small percentage of the total quite credit granted under the puppy.

And the vast majority of our consumers.

And have linked their payment accounts to of multiple funding sources, including credit cards.

And what day is only one of the funding channels.

Although the changing regulatory landscape applicable to fintech and the internet platform companies per.

Near term challenge to Alibaba.

We recall of this important opportunities for reassessing and improving our business projectors.

In this highly competitive market environment.

Will further challenge ourselves to constantly deliver and enhanced value creation for customers through innovation.

In multiple areas, such as China, Commerce retail local services cloud computing and international Commerce.

We see challenges in fierce competition, but also tremendous potential.

Looking forward, we will EBIT.

We will be even more committed to investing in these core areas in the.

Last thing for innovation for value creation, and the for long term growth.

Here I will elaborate a little bit more on.

Our thinking in four core areas.

First in China retail marketplaces.

We will continue our user acquisition efforts, especially in less developed areas.

We will build on top of ball Mills, 100 million mobile and the EU base and of further invest in expansion of the user base and the part of supplies targeting less debt.

The area of markets.

In addition in the community group purchase space.

We are developing a unique model based on consumer value proposition as opposed to subsidy utilization to ensure good consumer experience and the business sustainability.

Second our local service flagship Ulema will continue to strengthen its partnership with autoplay to expand and location based on demand delivery services to additional categories beyond the meals.

Such as groceries and the pharmaceuticals.

On demand delivery of non meal categories are growing rapidly on the <unk>.

Which shows the significant market potential.

The current regulatory trend towards more healthy competition will benefit all market participants.

As consumers and merchants look forth diversify supply.

We will leverage this opportunity to continue investing to strengthen our local service business.

Third in cloud computing, we are pleased to have delivered our first quarter of positive adjusted EBIDTA.

This is the result of years of investment in pursuit of long term value creation.

Alibaba cloud continues to grow at a rapid rate.

And with 50% revenue growth year over year in December quarter.

Reflecting the massive potential of China's cloud computing market.

We believe the market is still at the early stage.

The other intelligence applications and the demand for computing power will become universal.

Most of all industry sectors.

We will leverage Alibaba and unique advantage in technology and the data intelligence applications, while continuing to invest for growth.

Finally for globalization.

Southeast Asia, which of the which is a core market for our international Commerce business is witnessing.

Plus other is rapid growth in both user base and the transaction volume.

We have spent several years upgrading the other technology infrastructure business model and operating efficiency.

We believe we are now well positioned to capitalize on the southeast Asian market, which is experiencing accelerated growth.

Through further investment into long term opportunity with the goal of increasing our market share and the users' mind share.

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As part of its 40 involving into a digital economy.

Alibaba continues to be the best positioned in this in this historical transformation.

With our digital infrastructure and Commerce financial services logistics and cloud computing that we have been building over the last 20 years.

We've continued to be confident about our three growth engines.

Of domestic consumption and cutting edge technology and the globalization.

As these drivers are also consistent with the China's policy direction.

Economic development.

Thank you all now I would like to turn it over to Maggie who will walk you through the details of our financial results.

Thank you Daniel.

Thank you everyone for joining us today, let.

Let me start with financial highlights for the quarter.

And your active consumer China retail marketplace reached 779 million and mobile and they use reached 902 million share.

Those have shown net of S and over $20 million in the core cash time.

Total revenue was 200, and tiny 1 billion RMB up 37% year on year.

Starting from this quarter, we consolidated some of our wishes of newly acquired company and.

And if we take out the impact of <unk> consolidation the revenue.

<unk> was still show a strong balance of 27% year on year.

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So the strong revenue growth, mainly coming from the strong growth of our core commerce business as well as the strong revenue growth of our cloud computing business.

Adjusted EBITDA was $6 8 billion RMB up 22% year on year and the adjusted EBITA was 16 1 billion up 21% year on year.

Primarily driven by a healthy profit growth of our core Commerce segment, if taking out some art and.

And just the EBITA.

Would have been 21% yeah, yeah all of the year.

Our cloud computing business continued to deliver solid revenue growth of 50% and we're very pleased that debt. The adjusted EBITA for Ali cloud and turned positive for the first time.

We continue to maintain a strong cash position of <unk>.

70 billion U S dollar our non-GAAP free cash flow grew 23% year on year two of 96 billion RMB in this quarter.

Let's look at our cost trends and if I could quote share.

Excluding SBC total cost and expenses as the percentage of revenue increase the best Street <unk> percentage points.

Mostly due to our investment and strategic important areas, which I'll talk about and detailed later.

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Now, let's look at the our long term investment approach.

And how it's dry on that.

At the house or Marty engine growth driver. So the small town and gin growth driver actually is very unique filed about the AP compared to our peer companies.

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We're the only one that has so many you know oh the building blocks for the core commerce, including all of these infrastructure.

Our ecosystem of has developed the many growth businesses because of our focus on innovation and our.

Steadfast of probably chassis and lessening our businesses for long term over the years are of businesses have become more diversified and more integrated as we provide more value added services to merchants and businesses the.

Value, we add is reflected not only in our Irish and that original taobao and Tmall business, but also in new retail China.

The international Commerce, local consumer service and cloud computing.

We categorized that these businesses into three development phases.

See traction and profitability as highlighted during the Investor day back in September of last year. So.

So for instance businesses such as Alibaba cloud has graduated to profitability stage after over 10 years and less investment and several developing business and within core commerce, such as China have granted it into the traction stage as they expand their addressable markets and the gain scale of <unk>.

Economy.

So the business and the profitability of stage has never stopped innovating either.

In the core Commerce, we further invested in local service, new retail logistics and globalization and even within our core core which is the most of the profitable China retail marketplaces. We have also incubated and the stepped up investment in new seats businesses.

Such as part of our deals and top of life.

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Help us shorten the deal and top of grocery.

These businesses address new consumption demand and the behaviors and it will continue to expand our addressable markets in China.

Let's look at our core Commerce segment.

The core Commerce revenue grew 38% year on year to 196 billion.

Within the core Commerce revenue <unk> 20 per cent year on year to 102 billion RMB.

Customer management revenue growth is driven by the solid growth of our China retail marketplace Tmall online physical goods paid <unk> grew 19%, mainly driven by rapid growth of <unk>.

And the C G and home furnishing category as was accelerated the growth of consumer electronic categories.

Taobao online and physical goods paid <unk> was also strong which was driven by growth of <unk>.

And accessories and home furnishing and consumer electronic categories.

The success of the China retail marketplaces, and increasing number.

Value added services will provide the merchant.

Attracted increasing number of paying merchant and the higher average spending per merchant.

<unk> grew 20%. This is primarily due to the robust closing and revenue from new monetization of formats, such as recommendation fees and increase in the average unit price per click in search of monetization as well as the fast growth of thought.

Tmall online physical goods <unk>.

China retail other revenue grew 100% year on year due to impact of Saar of consolidation and strong growth of the Tmall supermarket.

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Taking out the impact from the consolidation of start channel reach on August revenue was still growing over 40%.

Tanya on logistics revenue grew 51% year on year, primarily driven by increase in volume of others from the hotels from our fast growing cross border and international Commerce retail businesses.

International Commerce retail price.

The 7%, primarily driven by robust growth of Lossada trend deal as well as Jimmy recovery of Aliexpress and <unk>.

Jack I recorded another quarter of triple digit order growth and ongoing market consolidation in the southeast China region.

[noise] local consumer service revenue grew 10% due to the increase in <unk> as well as more efficient use of our subsidies.

Core Commerce, adjusted EBITA reached 66 billion coring, and 15% year on year or a region of business in China retail marketplaces, including Taobao Tmall Alibaba. These businesses continue to maintain strong adjusted EBITDA growth and the stable margins during the.

The quarter and these trends were partially offset by increased investment in search of new businesses, such as top of our deal.

Life and Taobao groceries.

Investments in these new CS business will continue to enhance consumer experience and the engagement as was healthy increase.

Increasing alibaba ecosystem penetration into developing areas of China.

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Arthur development business, such as the local consumer service International Commerce retail, new retail and direct import.

It just takes continue to show solid progress and improving operating efficiencies.

The combined losses of these developing businesses narrowed by $1 6 billion RMB from 8.3 billion RMB to $6 7 billion.

And importantly, we're also pleased that tiny of has recorded positive operating cash flow after intercompany eliminations.

Next Alibaba cloud continued to empower the digital transformation of the enterprises by providing comprehensive technology solution and.

Services and the cloud for a wide range of industries in December quarter Cloud computing revenue grew 50% and this is primarily driven by robust growth and revenue from customers of the internet retail and the public sectors.

After our continuous investment per year, Alex clouds achieved positive EBITDA.

The EBITDA growth the positive EBITDA you on this.

So for the M E. We continued to improve the operating efficiencies through disciplined investment and content and production capability during the quarter adjusted EBIDTA loss for.

For the second and continue to narrow.

And they do to reduce the losses and <unk> and the increase the contribution from our online game business.

Let's take a look at the revenue and adjusted EBIDTA for the first nine months of 'twenty 'twenty. One. So this is important to note that our core Commerce segment has many businesses that target the same consumer base in China as such we take a holistic advice and.

The approach one of allocating resources and the capital across the segment by always seem really nicely and part of the incremental profit into new businesses.

Despite increase the investment in new businesses.

Core Commerce segment, excluding the impact from SAR and consolidation of Chi.

The robust revenue growth of 30%. This is up for the year to date and how's the adjusted EBITA growth of 19%.

Our investments and we'll continue to focus on increasing consumer base and improving user experience and the enhancing supply chain and lets just see infrastructures.

Selected financial metrics summary, so let's take a look at the <unk>.

Several items one of the interest investment income, which was 40 billion of RMB.

<unk> is the big year on year increase the increase is primarily due to our increase and the net gain from increases in market prices are public equity investments.

And share of results of the equity method Investees was the loss of $3 16, and RMB. It is the result of the impairment loss recorded which was partially offset by a $4 8 billion RMB and profit share of and Scoop September quarters financial results.

So we record these and <unk>.

Could you pick up of one quarter lag non-GAAP net income was 15 9 billion RMB and increase of 27% year on year.

Cash flow and the Capex for the quarter free cash flow was 96 billion, which increased 23% mainly due to our robust profitability growth and.

And as of December 31st 2020, cash cash equivalents and short term investments of 450.

The 56 billion RMB, approximately 70% of U S dollar.

On December 28 of <unk>.

Board of directors has authorized to upsize our share repurchase program from 6 billion U S. Dollar to 10 billion U S. Dollar we have come on the share repurchase program during the quarter and repurchased around 100, and a T 18 million of U S dollar of Etfs and index.

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Take a look at the.

You know have this outlook discussion 2020 was the unprecedented year a year has passed since the pandemic started and they continues to create uncertainties and the disruption to business globally.

Given the Chinese government has taken effect and measures to limit the spread of virus earlier, China's economy, So of Quaker recovery, which in turn supported the solid growth of Macquarie.

That's our business.

Looking ahead.

We will continue to invest and user growth user engagement digital transformation of the businesses and our people.

In fiscal 'twenty, one we have started to increase spending and new business initiatives.

And in fiscal 'twenty two.

We plan to step up our reinvestment of the incremental profits generated in into our seats businesses and the strategic growth areas in order to create long term value to our customers employees and shareholders.

That concludes our prepared remarks, let's open the floor for questions.

Thank you.

Alright, everyone for today's call you're welcome to ask questions and Chinese and English of third party of translator will provide consecutive interpretation for the Q&A session and <unk>.

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Thank you and good evening My question to you has to do with your relationship with with merchants, we know that the online.

And increasing number of different channels available to merchants, including your traditional competitors and also on new and emerging competitors and.

And with the popularity of mini programs on the rise.

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The scrutiny of.

Anti monopoly.

Practices by the regulatory authorities in China, So I'm I'm wondering if in the context, you're seeing any changes in terms of merchant retention rates and also from an operational perspective is there anything you can do to improve given the merchants now have more available different channels.

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Indeed, it's true that today.

And it is an increasing diversity in terms of a.

A variety of internet user products available and all of them can be utilized as an opportunity.

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And you're able to hold onto those users.

And you couple that user base with the online payment capabilities and third party delivery capabilities.

And anybody essentially current engage and E commerce, it's a way of taking advantage of the user traffic.

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Our president of the reality for most of our merchants are if at all is that there are multiple different platforms out there that they can choose to work with and that is the reality.

Although we do have very few exclusive flagship store on arrangements with a small number of merchants.

And with respect to those merchants of the factors that are their goods are also available through other channels through their own channels with distributors.

Our other channels and that.

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Our advantage is that we are extremely focused on consumption and we are the number one platform when it comes to our consumer mind share for consumption.

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So that is why for all merchants, although they do have the choice of multiple platforms and are present on multiple platforms. We are probably from most of them. The most important platform.

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And that is because E commerce is becoming a more and more important a.

Retail format for merchants and general.

And Alibaba provides a wide range of services, including sophisticated management tool for merchants to manage their online business as well as their online.

And offline a comp.

And the businesses.

The contribute to enhanced overall efficiency for our merchant operations. So this is a fundamentally different from a one off.

Campaign, driven approach that you would see.

For example, with live streaming or short form videos.

The drives a single campaign.

We're focused and contrast to that on providing the whole suite of tools and services to drive our overall merchant performance, helping them increase their sales and me.

Maintain healthy profitability and that is the reason why we are of the AR the premium platform the emerge.

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Perhaps with the expenditures and infrastructure cloud infrastructure R&D as well as in the computing power. If you could just please give us some guidance on where you see capital expenditure heading and the next few years and thank you.

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And so we hope to see going forward capex, increasing both on an absolute value as well as as a percentage of revenue.

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Good evening and thank you management for taking my question. My question has to do with the Daniels opening statement and which he talked about.

The evolving policy environment and.

Alibaba is commitment to take on more social responsibility.

And so specifically my question is.

And taking on more social responsibility and how will that translate and operational terms and to changes on the operation side and if you could perhaps help us think through a bit how all of those kinds of operational changes may have an impact on the company's financials. Thank you.

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Thank you for your question and I do think that is a very good question as a plot form economy. Alibaba has always taken very seriously, it's a social responsibility and cause.

And I made this very.

Very much part of the mainstream of our efforts to develop a as the platform and in years past we have indeed.

Done.

A lot of work on this front going forward as a platform of economy.

The ever more deeper integrated with the overall economic and social development of of the country. We do plan to take on and get more social responsibility.

The something very important for Alibaba.

In particular is mainstreaming that responsibility and making it part and parcel of everything we do be it helping to create jobs to stimulate employment and helping our Smes on every front.

From a product distribution and.

All the way through our manufacturing.

Manufacturing on the manufacturing side, we cannot play a role and also helping them to export their products. There are many things that Alibaba can do and I think the the key point here is the social responsibility for Alibaba is not something separate from our operations and our business rather it is the the mainstream of everything we're doing.

Around operations and business of platforms.

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So taking on more of social responsibility and the sense is.

Is conducive to driving prosperity of the platform and more prosperity on the platform again and enables us to take on more social responsibility are the tour of mutually reinforcing.

So we we don't look at it in terms of the economic value of that can be generated.

And I are social initiatives, rather we see this in terms of a holistic ecosystem value. That's how we've always approached it and we will continue to approach it and that same way.

Okay.

Thank you next question.

Thank you our.

The next question is from the line of Alicia Yap of Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hi, Thank you good evening management, Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the solid results.

And my question is related to the reinvestment.

And strengthen the overall marketplace business so on.

And then this will be on for some time and we will continue to elaborate on the marketplace. EBIDTA and then you said anyway management could help us rank in terms of the the investment Ctrip and also the the resorts that we will put into accordingly for example, how about deals on top of <unk>.

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Let me answer this question of first of all I think as we always said that we are we always invest for future and therefore, our investment and.

And in the CS business in new business in core Commerce actually with we think of the these are new businesses, but we build this new opportunities of from the in part I mean.

And of course system point of view, so we think of two to enhance our leadership position Oh.

And KOL commerce, we need the different applications.

Applications different services to meet the different to meet the customers.

The demand from different perspective, so like today as we as you know that we our towboat deal enjoyed very rapid growth and this quarter, we reported on our Mou for the hobo deal surpassed.

100 million.

Oh, well the very happy to see the initial results, but we strongly believe that the the investment and Pablo deal is a very important measure for us to target the low.

The the customers are in low tier cities or even in the rural areas and and the leverage our hour.

Supply power of from like the other other business and Alibaba or like a 168.

So on and so forth and we have very effective supply and the other.

And the value for money supply to meet the demands of the of the of the customers with low purchasing power.

And the in terms of our investment in pulp of life. It has been for a while and today. If you look at the top of our life business, it's very costly.

It's it's it's already of the very sizable and every day, we have oh.

Tens of thousands of live streaming on our platform on which not only initiate by the kols, but also by many storefronts owners. So.

So I think of we are we were highly integrate the life streaming together with our retail platforms and the epic livestream and become a very effective marketing tool awful of it will still from and also create the new business opportunities for K O L. So in this regard we will continue to invest in and the live streaming but we don't.

And once again, we don't view of life live streaming is up and it does.

As a as a separate business at the instead of actually live streaming is a is a very important new retail format and the in the in the commerce platform. So I will stop here for the translation first.

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Well in terms of the top of groceries.

As I said in my script, we are developing a very unique model are based on the customer value proposition as opposed to subsidization to ensure the Goodyear the experience and the business sustainability I think of a very important thing is the we tried to try to fill a our own model.

And as opposed to as opposed to the the what you'll see in the market of just per money Oh satisfies the customers for scale I don't think of this is a sustainable model instead of we have a such of Oh, the a tremendous user base.

And already are in cobalt and so that's why we position well where are we in cobalt mobile app, we have our top of grocery as a major customer interface. All four of these new business and so far we based on our initial test.

We saw very good result, and this on top of our grocery all of this is not only help.

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Have a more supplies to the local customers, especially in the low tier cities, but also help us to recruit and many new customers.

A lot of the assistance of these on the community leaders. So we will continue to invest in this business, but we will try to leverage all the resources, we have in Alibaba and the inks on in some new retail business are in our he must of the companies and the in our eating and hours of both of them.

Multiple supply channels so of from from financial perspective, I think of we don't manage all of our core commerce been in spite of Utah, We think of the growth of the user base and growth of the consumption in multiple categories across countries is the.

The key so.

Our strategy the very clear and the we are very confident to invest them more of it in this area. Thank you.

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Next question.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Thomas Chong of Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hi, Thanks management for taking my questions and congratulations on the positive EBITDA for the cloud business.

Most of all our how we should think about the competitive landscape on.

On the cloud business in the coming years.

Well as all of our strategy in the us and the sauce Tsai and.

And how we should think about the Ma.

Margin trend.

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Thank you, yes, Oh clock and there is a very promising business, while we do believe.

And in the future all of the industrial sectors, they need of cloud services on.

Today, the market and also if.

And has in the market. We also see of very fierce competition, but obviously, we are Alibaba has a very big advantage in terms of in many of us cause of <unk>.

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We are able to build a very scalable cloud infrastructure.

Which support our our own business first and today and we roll all of these impromptu sort of the third party clients. So in this case in terms of the integral scalability and the we are in the in a very superior position.

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And the capability and applications are the key in this regard we are obviously.

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In summary, we invest a lot and technologies in the area of us and Pos.

Until the source of we work very actively with our partners.

And in different industries try to create a source of course system called the source of core system. So this is our general strategies for cloud and the we are very confident about the about the future of the of this business.

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And a quick question.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jerry Liu of UBS. Your line is open.

Joseph on anything they've got different whether it's the.

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My question has to do with the the investments that you've talked about that you intend to be making and and the next period to come including around top of deals our live streaming and so on and so forth and.

The impact of that that would be expected to have on EBITA or EBITDA growth because if you look at EBITA EBITA growth over the past few years are the the pace of growth has really remained quite stable are.

Going forward, we expect to see the growth rate moderate.

As a result of those investments or would that possibly be offset.

By improvements in the profitability of other other new businesses like cloud all of them out or China. Thank you.

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Thanks, very much and indeed, it's very interesting that whenever we talk about Alibaba as our financial performance and future outlook.

And we always get questions about our of profitability and our margins and whether we expect to be able to sustain them at the same levels that they have been on.

And we're very grateful for that.

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It's very much of a function of the fact that we have created high expectations by always being able to create profit and maintain healthy margin levels and we know that the others are in the same market or are getting different kinds of questions and the expectations are of different and of course, we are in the same market.

With all the other companies and it.

It is a valid question as to whether we would prioritize and put in first place our profit.

Profit growth going forward or whether instead, we would prioritize investing and our future growth and and new businesses and the Alibaba to answer to that.

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If you look at where Alibaba is today in terms of profitability looking at the last 12 months or actually the the figure I can give you is from the last nine months of the past three quarters adjusted EBITA was $147 8 billion.

And that's that's very strong but that figure already includes various reinvestments of of profit. The that we've made are so so I think we're in a good place and have the ability to continue to to invest you can also look at our our profit increment say over the last two years.

Period, if you compare the first nine months of this year to the first nine months of the year before last you.

You're talking about a fairly substantial figure of 30.

Billion. So this is our development strategy, we continue to invest.

And the future and as we see that strategy paying off and as the new businesses grow.

We will expect to continue to scale up our investments.

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So looking at the potential of the huge potential that exists and the market today's situation of competition and their own progress on and where we're at.

As I said in my prepared remarks earlier, our approach will be to continue to invest the scale up our investment we will never prioritize.

Margin that will never be and number one for us and it never has been in the past and when it comes to the profit growth I think we have a very strong foundation in place.

And particular with Taobao, and Tmall and the China retail marketplace for building on a very strong foundation of profitability.

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Okay.

The next question is from the line of abuse of Squatty of fluid Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you very much for taking the question just a very quick one I was wondering if you could if you guys can discuss the impact of the re and position of restrictive measures due to COVID-19, so far what you've seen in January and just the sustainable sustainability of.

The recovery short term before and and the as we go into the fourth quarter. Thank you.

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Oh for the impact of the Covid.

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Government take a new approaches to two two locked on some of the areas in the cities and the encourage people to stay at the home cities.

Instead of going back to the hometown for the Chinese new year. So we are closely monitored the progress of these new measures and so far I think the I think of we haven't seen and very material changed of the of the consumption of the business, but August day because.

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Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Rod changed me of media.

And the whole Securities. Your line is open please.

Please go ahead.

Yeah, Thanks for taking my questions on.

Can you talk about maybe investment and some of the new innovations that you see in the marketplace like smart transportation and autonomous driving it seems like government is making a concerted effort and.

In terms of building up on smart transportation nationally and talk about maybe.

And how you're participating that built out and how you're positioned to win the market. Thanks.

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Media and entertainment, new retail Masada, even the smaller businesses like our cross border.

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Look forward to and offer overall guidance for the next year and so we expect to be doing that with you. The next time, we see you.

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Okay.

Thank you Brittany, sorry for interruption before.

And thank you everyone for joining us today.

If you have any questions.

Please do reach out to our IR team and all of the material should be available on the IR website. Thank you again.

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Q3 2021 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd Earnings Call (Chinese, English)

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Q3 2021 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd Earnings Call (Chinese, English)

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Tuesday, February 2nd, 2021 at 12:30 PM

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