Q1 2021 Compass Diversified Holdings Earnings Call

Good afternoon, and welcome to Compass diversified first quarter 2021 conference call. Today's call is being recorded all lines have been placed on mute. If you would like to ask a question at the end of the prepared remarks. Please press. The Starkey then the number one on your Touchtone phone.

At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Matt Berkowitz of the I T be great for instructions and the reading of the Safe Harbor statement. Please go ahead Sir.

Thank you and welcome to Compass diversified first quarter 2021 conference call.

Representing the company today, our lives Paypal call your CEO, Ryan Buckingham, Cody CFO, and Pat Mozzarella T O O Compass Group management.

Before we begin I'd like to point out that the Q1, 2021 press release, including the financial tables on non-GAAP financial measure reconciliations are available on the Investor Relations section on the company's website at Www Dot compass diversified dot com.

Company also filed its form 10-Q with the SEC today after the market closed which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call and is also available on Investor Relations section on our website.

Please note that references to EBITDA in the following discussions refer to adjusted EBITDA as reconciled to net income on the company's financial filings. The company does not provide a reconciliation of its full year expected 2021, adjusted EBITDA, our 2021 payout ratio because certain significant reconciling information is not available without unreasonable effort.

Throughout this call we will refer to accomplish diversified as Cody or the company now allow me to read the following safe Harbor statement.

During this conference call, we may make certain forward looking.

Including statements with regard to the future performance of Coty, and its subsidiaries and statements related to Cody its future tax structure words, such as believes expects plans projects and future or similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements.

These forward looking statements are subject to the inherent uncertainties in predicting future results and conditions certain factors could cause actual results to desk on a material basis from those projected in these forward looking statements and some of these factors our numerator and the risk factor discussion on form 10-Q as filed with the SEC. The quarter ended March 31 2021.

As well as in other SEC filings and particularly on the domestic and global economic environment is currently impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic has a significant impact on our subsidiary companies, except as required by law Cody undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information future events or.

Otherwise at.

At this time I would like to turn the call over to Elias Sabo.

Good afternoon. Thank you all for your time and welcome to our first quarter earnings Conference call.

Before discussing our result, I would like to take a brief moment to acknowledge our employees our performance over the last year since the onset of COVID-19 is a testament to their extraordinary efforts.

Despite the ongoing challenges brought on by the pandemic I am pleased to report that our first quarter results dramatically exceeded our expectations.

Including Boa and marucci as if we owned them from January one 2020 pro forma consolidated revenue grew over 20% and adjusted EBITDA grew more than 45% over prior year's quarter.

Our first quarter results were exceptional and reflect the incredible work of each of our subsidiary companies management teams.

Though we continue to experience certain challenges and uncertainties stemming from the pandemic such as changes in demand pattern supply disruptions shortages in labor and inflationary pressures pressures at levels not previously experienced our subsidiaries team continue to expertly maintained our operation.

To deliver record results.

Our outstanding first quarter results build on the positive momentum from the second half of 2020.

Our branded consumer businesses grew at a rapid pace driven by continued increased participation by consumers in outdoor activities. We.

We have seen significant structural shifts since the onset of the pandemic that have benefited outdoor activities, including trends towards D urbanization and remote work at.

At the same time disposable spending has been supported by historic levels of transfer payments globally, and a shift in spending patterns towards goods and away from services.

While these trends have proven to be durable it remains unclear for how long and the extent to which these consumer habits will continue as the economy gradually reopen and lockdowns ease.

At this time and market demand continues to rise along with our bookings and backlog and we are seeing strong levels of growth in our consumer goods businesses, thus far in 2021, including early in the second quarter we.

We believe our subsidiary companies are well positioned to maintain market share gains even following the effects of the pandemic.

We are also pleased to report that our industrial businesses, which had experienced a dramatic decline in demand at the onset of the pandemic have stabilized in the first quarter.

And we now anticipate our industrial businesses will remain stable through 2021 with a possible return to growth as the economy reopens and comparable periods in the prior year become easier to lap.

Notwithstanding the extraordinary first quarter result, I want to emphasize that the macro environment remains uncertain.

Even with the global economy, starting to normalize the effects of the pandemic have proven to be long lasting with shortages in components and shipping capacity becoming acute.

In addition, commodity costs have risen rapidly and labor shortages continue.

We now find ourselves in a highly inflationary environment with rising costs, which we will seek to pass through via increased prices based on market conditions.

However, we may experience modest margin compression in the near term as commodity driven price increases typically lag and implementation through the supply chain.

In light of our extraordinary first quarter results and our expectations for the balance of the year. We now expect to produce consolidated subsidiary adjusted EBITDA of between $325 million and $345 million representing growth of 11% to 18% from prior year and.

And a payout ratio of between 70% and 60% based on our historical distribution rate up 36 per share each quarter.

The strength of our balance sheet enabled our subsidiary companies to take market share during the pandemic as we focused most of our cost containment activities on non revenue generating functions.

Moving forward, we plan to increase spending at a number of our subsidiary companies in order to compensate and continue to take market share. These increases are built into our financial expectations for the balance of the year.

Our first quarter results showed the strength across our portfolio and in particular, both of our 2020 acquisitions Marucci sports and Boa technologies produced outstanding growth.

We believe our permanent capital model again proved to be a substantial competitive advantage relative to traditional private equity, allowing us to acquire these two outstanding businesses, while others were unable to compete due to limited availability of debt financing on.

On a combined basis. These two companies produced 104% year over year pro forma adjusted EBITDA growth in the first quarter.

And significantly increased our growth rate up from 30%, excluding these acquisitions, 246% when including them.

Although we expect this magnitude of growth to recede. We do believe these acquisitions will continue to benefit the core growth rate of the portfolio.

We believe our permanent capital approach to private equity like investing not only provides a substantial competitive advantage and capital allocation as we have seen over the past few years, but also on our cost of capital. We are pleased that in the first quarter. We successfully refinanced our bonds that were originally issued in 2018.

Increasing their amount extending their duration and lowering our cost our new bond carries an interest rate of 5.25% compared to the previous 8% a decrease of 33%.

The outcome of our bond refinancing was meaningful in terms of lowering our weighted average cost of capital. However, we remain relentlessly focused on exploring additional options to reduce our WAC and further strengthening our competitive advantage.

To this end, we continue to analyze the potential change in our tax classification, including potentially checking the box to elect to be taxed as a C corp. Instead of a partnership which would eliminate the cumbersome K, one and Ub Ti.

Pursuant to our significant and ongoing analysis.

Historical tax benefits of our pass through structure have waned in recent years.

And we believe the holistic tax paid on average by individual shareholders as a partnership or as a corporate taxpayer is approximately the same.

We believe the move to be taxed as a C Corp will allow more institutional and retail shareholders to consider an investment in our company and may allow for inclusion in passive electronically traded funds.

Ryan will walk through the details of this potential change in tax classification, along with the process and expected timing to achieve such classification.

Before turning the call over to Pat to review our subsidiary results.

I would like to take a minute to discuss our ongoing ESG efforts.

Over the course of the past year, we have made significant strides on our ongoing efforts towards becoming a best in class ESG company.

Including redirecting two employees at the manager to focus on ESG initiatives.

Elevating ESG to become a recurring topic of board oversight.

Incorporating ESG considerations into our investment process and working with our subsidiary management teams to push ESG initiatives forward at the subsidiary level. We encourage you to visit our website to see the progress we are making in this incredibly important work and we will continue to highlight ESG accomplishment and.

On our Investor Communications specifically.

Specifically during the first quarter, we increased the amount of recycled plastic materials used in our Boa dials and we had our first full quarter of sales of the Ergo Baby heirloom.

A premium carrier that uses over 80% post consumer recycled polyester yarn. Each of these carriers is composed of up to 26 water plastic water bottles and we're proud of Ergo baby leadership in this category.

With that I will now turn the call over to Pat.

Thanks Elias.

Before I begin on our subsidiary results I want to touch generally on the on the quarter, our branded consumer businesses, we are well positioned to benefit from changes in consumer demand as lockdown restrictions begin to ease in North America and as a result experienced impressive growth growth across the board.

Our niche industrial businesses are exceeding our expectations as a group and are showing agility and resiliency, even as we experienced labor shortages and commodity increases at several of our businesses now on to our subsidiary results I'll begin with our niche industrial businesses.

For the first quarter of 2021 revenue increased by 4% and EBITDA increased by two 1% versus the first quarter of 2020.

For the first quarter of 2021 revenue at advanced circuits was approximately flat and EBITDA declined slightly as compared to the first quarter of 2020.

As discussed last quarter longer lead time defense related bookings declined in the fourth quarter of 2020, following the election and we saw this trend impact revenues in January and early February bookings.

Bookings began to stabilize across segments early in the current quarter and the company returned to revenue growth in March of this year.

Arnold Magnetics revenue increased by nine 9% and EBITDA increased approximately 50% to $5 1 million as the company benefited from increased sales to aerospace and defense related customers associated with large orders received in 2020 and from higher gross profit margins associated with positive mix and increased efficiencies.

While we book, while we believe Q1 will be a seasonally strong quarter for the company in 2021, we do expect the business to steadily improve through the year for 2020.

Arnold's acquisition of <unk> was completed on March one of this year and its financials are only included since that day bye.

By acquiring Ram co Arnold expanded on already diverse product offering with industry, leading electric motor solution capabilities integration is going well and we remain optimistic about the acquisition.

Outdoor solutions grew revenue and EBITDA by 33, 2% and nine 8% in the first quarter of 2021 as compared to the first quarter of 2020.

While the company was negatively impacted due to lower than expected shipments of vaccine related coolers, and increasing labor and raw material costs in the period. We are pleased with the growth that they experienced in the quarter.

We do expect margins to be under pressure at outdoor during the second quarter due to inflationary environment that Elias described as.

As a reminder, outerwear has the ability to pass through a portion of its raw material price increases through contractual agreements. However, typically the timing of such pass throughs lags behind the raw material price increase itself.

The Sterno group's first quarter 2021 revenue and EBITDA declined by six 9% and 12, 8% respectively.

<unk> first quarter 2020 demand for the company's core chasing fewer lines decreased significantly from the year ago period, but bookings improved significantly in March as venues began to reopen nationwide. We are also seeing this trend continue in the beginning of the second quarter and.

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Sterno is consumer business continued to experience elevated demand for its line of wax and essential oil products, which helped mitigate the year over year declines in the company's foodservice segment.

Now turning to our branded consumer businesses, which as a group experienced an exceptional quarter.

Our results are presented as if we on marucci and Boa from January one 2020.

For the quarter each of our branded consumer businesses experienced significant growth and as a group revenues increased by 33, 2% and EBITDA increased by 82% versus the first quarter 2020.

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EBITDA increased to $14 1 million up over 76% versus the comparable period in 2020 exceeding our expectations.

<unk> experienced strong demand across most of its categories led by cycling outdoor and golf.

We're encouraged by the continued media exposure this quarter following the publication of our collaboration with the University of Denver, showing meaningful improvements in performance with the Tri panel or wire wrap bullet closures we.

We estimate that some portion of boas exceptional growth stemmed from brand partners ordering ahead due to supply constraints associated with slowdowns in global shipping and in an effort to ensure solid inventory levels for consumers at retail.

We believe however that the majority of this growth was driven from underlying strong demand for products using the <unk> system and increased market share across multiple categories for these products. We remain impressed with the leadership at <unk> and their ability to definitely navigate the changing demand patterns and service their customers.

Ergo baby's first quarter 2021, EBITDA increased to $4 7 million versus $3 9 million in the first quarter of 2021st quarter revenue growth was driven by increases in ecommerce sales and growth at several key accounts in North America, but we remain optimistic about <unk> prospects in 2021 driven by both.

Given both by solid demand across markets and new product introductions pandemic related slowdowns in key markets remain as a potential headwind.

Liberty Safe revenue and EBITDA increased by 26, 1% and 68, 4%, respectively compared with the first quarter of 2020 Liberty is continued strong performance in the quarter was driven predominantly by sales from traditional big box customers.

End market demand continues to be very robust and Liberty is book to Bill ratio was significantly above one in the quarter, leading to much of the company's production capacity remaining filled into the third quarter.

The management has done on expect exceptional job managing raw material and labor pressures to date and we remain optimistic about the balance of the year. We expect continued steel price increases will likely be a headwind to gross profit margins for the remainder of the year relative to the first quarter of 2021.

<unk> posted a very strong start to 2021 revenue in the first quarter grew by 64, 8% and EBITDA grew by over 140% to $13 5 million substantially exceeding our expectations. The company experienced strong demand from big box customers and resellers for both its marucci invictus.

Brands and advantage of baseball and softball seasons sell throughs in the quarter were similarly strong and we see a continuation of this trend in the second quarter.

As such we believe the company is taking market share in several categories. As we mentioned on our last call. The first quarter of the year is typically represents a seasonally larger portion of the company's revenue on EBITDA. We do believe however that market share gains and strong demand for the brands will lead to continued growth in 2021 as baseball and softball returned to more normal.

<unk> patterns and the industry follows we remain excited about the prospects from the routine.

Velocity outdoors EBITDA increased dramatically in the quarter.

The first quarter of 2021 up over 300% to $12 2 million.

<unk> performance surpassed our elevated expectations as investments made over the last several years came to fruition and continued consumer interest in outdoor activities drove demand for their products. Those significant challenges remain in parts of the company supply chain and commodity price increases are likely headwind to margin growth bookings and sell throughs remain strong.

And growing participation rates and innovative new products and multiple categories continue to benefit the company.

Finally, five eleven's first quarter EBITDA increased by 14, 9% versus Q1 2020 revenue grew by four 3%. Despite large direct to international agency sales, which we referred to as DTA being down by five 7% compared to first quarter last year.

The company's direct to consumer business as a whole continues to significantly exceed our expectations in the first quarter.

Driving revenue growth and higher margins.

511 continues to take significant steps to grow at strong team.

Its infrastructure and its ability to service its customers across channels, we remain optimistic about the company's future and believe it is on its way to becoming a world class Omni channel brand.

Before I turn the call over to Ryan I would once again, just like to recognize our subsidiary company management teams and all our employees. Thanks to their hard work. We are confident that we are exiting pandemic conditions on firmer footing than we entered them and I could not be prouder to work with each of them each of them I.

I will now turn the call over to Ryan for his comments on our financial results.

Yes.

Thank you Pat.

Moving to our consolidated financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2021, I will limit my comments largely to the overall results for our company since the individual subsidiary results are detailed in our form 10-Q that was filed with the SEC earlier today.

On a consolidated basis revenue for the quarter ended March 31, 2021 was $461 6 million up 38, 4% compared to $333 4 million for the prior year period. This year over year increase primarily reflects our acquisition of marucci and Boa during 2020.

Excluding these recent acquisitions, our revenue increased by more than 14% driven by strong sales growth at our branded consumer subsidiaries velocity outdoor 511, and Liberty, which offset a decline in sales at sterno.

Consolidated net income for the quarter ended March 31, 2021 was $22 million compared to $4 9 million in the prior year.

The increase in net income was primarily attributable to the acquisitions of <unk> during 2020.

CAD for the quarter ended March 31, 2021 was $46 2 million up over 160% from $17 7 million in the prior year period, our CAD that we generated during the quarter was significantly above our expectations almost doubled our distribution and was the highest quarterly CAD we've ever generated.

The increase was above our expectations, primarily due to the outstanding performance of our most recent acquisitions marucci umbrella as well as continued strong performance at our Liberty and velocity businesses.

Other factors impacting our cash in Q1 compared to the prior year include slightly higher capex spend and increase in cash taxes and higher preferred share distributions as a result of our series C issuance in November 2019.

Turning to our balance sheet.

As a reminder, we refinanced our debt during the first quarter by placing $1 billion of eight year senior unsecured notes at five on a quarter percent.

Of note on our balance sheet at March 31, we had a day deposit with our trusty reported as an asset.

And the current liability related to our old 8% bonds of $600 million. These items were due to the redemption of our old bonds occurring after quarter end on April one this year.

As of March 31, 2021, we had over $60 million in cash approximately $594 million available on our revolver.

And our leverage was below three times, we have substantial liquidity and as previously communicated we have the ability to upsize our revolver capacity by an additional $250 million, we stand ready enable to provide our subsidiaries with the financial support they need invest in subsidiary growth opportunities and act on compelling investment opportunities as.

They present themselves.

Turning now to capital expenditures.

During the first quarter of 2021, we incurred $4 $9 million on maintenance capex of our existing businesses compared to $3 $3 million on the prior year period. The increase was primarily result of the acquisitions in 2020.

During the first quarter of 2021, we continued to invest in growth capital spending $2 8 million in the quarter, primarily related to five eleven's long term growth objectives growth capex in the quarter and the prior year quarter was $3 3 million.

As Elias mentioned earlier, we continue to analyze the potential change on our tax structure, such that we would no longer be classified as a partnership for tax purposes, and instead would be taxed as a C Corp I.

I would like to highlight certain key aspects of the process and discuss our expected timing it.

It is important to mention that we are continuing to analyze certain elements of this potential reclassification and therefore, what I discussed here is not definitive and are subject to change.

The first concept I'd like to discuss is the tax impact to shareholders. As a result of a change in classification.

This involves a very complex tax analysis analysis, which has been and is continuing to be performed by management and our outside advisors. If undertaken this change would likely result in taxable taxable capital gain income that would be pass through to shareholders. This would create current tax liability.

For the 2021 tax year that shareholders would see on a final K one sent out in 2022.

However, this taxable capital gain would also provide shareholders the benefit of increasing their basis, and coty stock effectively reducing their future taxable gain by a similar amount should they sell Cody now our goal on this process is to not have shareholders sell our shares therefore as a result of this.

Additional current tax burden in 2021 to shareholders, we would expect to pay a special distribution at the time of this tax structure change of <unk> 88 per share.

We expect that this special distribution along with our other regular quarterly distributions would more than offset shareholder 2021 current tax liability absent any significant capital gain tax if we were to divest subsidiaries.

Further we expect that this taxable gain to shareholders should provide a substantial tax benefit to coty.

<unk> Corp, taxation as it would allow us to step up the basis in our interests and our subsidiaries by the same amount, which would reduce future capital gain tax at the C Corp should be opportunistically divest our subsidiaries in the future.

The next discussion point is our distribution policy.

As a reminder, our board of directors sets, our distribution amount quarterly and we'll continue to do so after this potential tax structure change as we've indicated in our previous comments, we expect to adjust our distribution policy. If we undertake this tax structure change.

Currently as a partnership we pass through codes income to shareholders on a K, one who then pay the tax to the IRS.

Going forward in the event, we elect to be treated as a C Corporation for tax purposes, we will no longer pass through income to shareholders. Thus Cody would pay the taxes to the IRS.

As a result of <unk> assumption of the tax liability, we estimate that we would reduce our annual distribution from $1 44 per share per year to approximately $1 per share per year.

Our desired outcome on any distribution reduction would be for the average after tax return in the past to approximate the average after tax return in the future.

The next obvious question is timing management currently expects that its recommendation to our board of directors directors would be that Cody payment remain at 36 per share for the expected July and October 2021 quarterly payments.

And then decrease to approximately <unk> 25 per share for the January 2022 expected payment and all expected subsequent payments.

Another important point to highlight is that prior to a tax structure change all quarterly payments would continue to be distributions as they have been.

While after the tax structure change, we believe all quarterly payments would be qualified dividends for shareholders that have met the requisite holding period requirements to the extent Cody has earnings and profits.

Assuming we complete this tax structure change in the third quarter. The last 36 per share quarterly payment in October and all future payments would be qualified dividends.

In summary, if we assume the tax structure change is approved and all estimated payments I've discussed are authorized by our board of directors. The total payments received by shareholders, who own stock during each quarter in the 2021 calendar year will be $2 32 per share.

Let me put the $2 32 per share into context relative to our expected CAD for 2021.

Elias mentioned, we anticipate our payout ratio to be between 70% and 60% an improvement from our previous guidance at the high end of this range of a 60% payout ratio. Our CAD, we would expect to earn in 2021, assuming we don't divest any subsidiaries would cover this $2 32.

On distribution.

The final point I'll discuss here is procedural.

We will need a shareholder vote for a tax reclassification to occur the shareholder vote in effect would have the goal of altering our organizational documents such that our desire tax structural outcome as possible.

This vote is not part of the 2021 annual proxy that was recently mailed it would be sent as a separate special proxy assuming we receive all necessary approvals, we expect to hold a special meeting and should be able to check the box to be taxed as a C Corp. Sometime late in the third quarter of 2021.

We will continue to provide updates as appropriate as we move along this process with that I'll now turn the call back over to Elias.

Thank you Ryan.

I'd like to close by briefly discussing M&A activity and our go forward growth strategy.

As I mentioned earlier, we took prescient steps in 2019 to prepare for the unexpected in 2020.

Those decisions and our unique permanent capital structure positioned us to not only weather the storm, but to also proactively execute on our growth strategy in a volatile year.

We believe that as we enter the middle of 2021, we continue to have the balance sheet strength to support our company's operations regardless of macro conditions.

Our confidence in our subsidiaries in the respective management teams remained strong following their incredible performance as they pivoted their business is to maintain and even grow their market positions during the pandemic.

As we look to the future we are optimistic that our subsidiaries are well positioned to continue to gain additional market share and look forward to continuing to support their growth in the months and years to come.

As for Cody, our permanent capital structure puts us in a strong position to continue to seek both platform and add on acquisition.

We believe there are compelling opportunities for us to generate long term shareholder value given continued market dislocations in 2021.

In addition, we will continue to invest in and enhance our subsidiary company's competitive positioning which includes supporting them as they build and grow their digital transformation strategies.

Our differentiated strategy has set us apart from more than a decade and it remains consistent.

In 2021, we remain intensely focused on executing our proven and disciplined acquisition strategy improving the operating performance of our companies Opportunistically divesting enhancing our commitment to ESG initiatives across our portfolio and creating long term shareholder value.

With that operator, please open up the lines for Q&A.

As a reminder to ask a question simply press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad.

First question is from Larry Solow with CJS Securities.

Hi, good afternoon, its actually lead you go to for Larry.

Good afternoon.

So.

Just just starting obviously youre seeing a lot of the benefits of the pandemic in a number of the outdoor brands, which are probably somewhat offset by some of the assets that are geared towards a recovery. If I look at the portfolio or if you look at the portfolio in total in terms of overall benefit versus potential headwinds.

From the pandemic can you kind of speak to where you think the total portfolio is and maybe speak to the runway for future growth once once the pandemic kind of eases a little bit here.

Sure So I'd say Lee.

A case by case basis right as it is.

Roll up of each of the 10 subsidiaries when you get to this but if I looked at it holistically across our consumer businesses.

Some of them have benefited.

Credibly strong, namely velocity and Liberty.

Through the increased participation rates in outdoor activities.

I would say as we look forward there is nothing right now for those two businesses that lead us to believe that demand is receding.

All the forward indicators like book to Bill ratios in.

On a weekly bookings are pointing up so.

That gives us confidence there outside of those businesses I would say the other four consumer businesses don't feel like they have really kind of participated meaningfully in any upside.

Recovery from the pandemic Ergo, probably got hurt from it to be honest 511, I would say likely got hurt because the professional side of the business was incredibly weak.

And the consumer side of the business.

I would say just longer term secular growth tailwind that we don't think were impacted materially.

And Boa and marucci in the first quarter I think probably benefited from some seasonal changes in demand patterns, but I'm not sure that if you looked at it on a LTM basis, we would say that these companies are kind of benefiting.

Any kind of large level. So all that being said if you put it all together, we still have a outlook that our consumer businesses will continue to grow over the balance of 2021 second quarter likely to be kind of another strong growth quarter as we comp against.

What was a really weak period.

Kind of Lockdowns hit full force in 2020 on the other side, our industrial businesses really took it on the Chin in 2020 and are starting to show recovery. In fact March was a pretty good month.

That brought the entire quarter up we would expect April and may to be even stronger on a year over year basis as the full effect of the shutdowns kind of started to materialize in the second quarter last year. So our outlook. There is for strengthening results. So if you put it on balance I would say.

It feels as though.

We're in a pretty good position to continue to benefit from the reopening and any headwinds we may experience at certain of our consumer businesses. We think are more than made up for by strength in our industrial businesses and remember our largest subsidiary sterno on its shaping fuel side.

Its business.

To zero and probably even had for some periods some negative earnings.

On that side of the business and that was historically well north of $20 million EBITDA line of business. We've seen some real encouraging signs in March and thus far in April where demand through bookings has really picked up materially and so if you think about your largest business being able to balance back.

That would offset if there are any headwinds in the consumer business that would offset it but again I want to reiterate we're not experiencing right now and seeing any headwinds that have emerged in fact, we continue to see tailwind across virtually all of our consumer businesses.

Great that's very helpful and then.

Last one from me just I know you gave the low.

Different components of the liquidity in your prepared remarks, I just missed them. If you could give those again that would be great and then speak to just the current pipeline of opportunities and areas in the market that look interesting to you all today, either in terms of valuation or growth potential.

As you look at these various businesses.

Sure Lee This is Ryan I'll talk to liquidity in light of livestock to the latter question there.

But we as of March 31.

We had $594 million of availability on our revolver so virtually.

On the entire revolver debt revolver balance balance is open and available.

Plus we had about $60 million of cash on the balance sheet. So just a really strong liquidity position at this point.

And we in terms of M&A I'll ask Pat.

To comment on that as he is much closer to the M&A markets I'd say, we're seeing right now lots of on the platform side, we think of it as kind of platforms on add on and stay on the platform side. We are seeing lots of deals were probably seeing as many transactions as we have.

Really in a long time and part of that is due to some internal efforts and some hirings, we've made but part of it is just the deal market. The trouble is shifting.

Shifting through quality and you touched on a lot of you touched on pandemic related tailwind before.

Have to make sure that the companies that youre looking at don't have tailwind there too strong on the pandemic and net you can get comfortable with what your underwriting if that makes sense on the add on side.

It's also more plentiful.

And we're seeing some good potentially actionable activities on the add on sides and debt in the near medium term.

And the last part of your question on valuations, we're seeing valuations hit all time highs I'd say, they've reverted back to pre pandemic levels plus some and there is a plethora of capital that's out there. If you think about the effects of the pandemic last year M&A was virtually nonexistent.

We were really proud to put $700 million roughly to work, but those were through efforts that were directly because of our catalyst to get those transactions completed and we have the balance sheet to do it by and large the rest of the private equity market kind of sat on their hands and if you think about.

One of the disadvantages that we believe exists in traditional private equity, especially when compared to our model. There's timelines on which you have to put this money to work and if you have a five year window under which you need to invest money and you took one year off that just increase the pace that you have to invest.

And from 20% per year to 25% per year over the balance of the four years that puts an incredible amount of upward demand on assets.

The availability of debt financing at historically attractive rates has come back to the market. So the window was incredibly short during this.

Pandemic fueled recession that we experienced in 'twenty, one for valuations to rein in and now valuations have kind of reverted back to pre pandemic levels.

Great very helpful. I'll hop back in queue. Thank you very much.

Your next question is from Matt Koranda with Roth capital.

Hey, guys good afternoon.

One kind of fundamental question on that one higher level strategic so on the fundamental question, maybe I just wanted to see if you could highlight you did mentioned sort of modest margin pressure across most segments that you are factoring into the guidance for EBITDA for the rest of the year, but I was curious if you could just highlight specific segments, where you're factoring in the most commodity price.

<unk> for the rest of the year and maybe also if you could throw it in.

Which segments have the most pricing power to offset that vs, which are sort of just more price takers debt that may not be able to offset as much.

Yes, so Matt I would just say look across the board, there's a lot of inflationary pressures and some of it is from commodity.

So take a business like Liberty Safe for example, Liberty has a large portion of the raw material cost in the form of steel and steel costs have risen dramatically now liberty is really good at locking in steel and so those costs didn't manifest in the <unk>.

First quarter, but they are clearly coming now the good news with Liberty is demand is robust and we can even take orders in the second quarter. We're now taking them into the third quarter. So our goal there is to pass through dollar for dollar the steel price increases that we're getting now on obvious.

Margin point here, if you have a dollar of cost that you pass through a dollar of price.

Even though you can't maintain the same dollar margin per unit your margin comes down.

So I would just caution everybody that in a rising price environment, where you are pushing through price is equal to your kind of underlying cost increase that margins will come down but the dollar profit margin is not.

I think beyond that.

I think most of the companies where there is large pricing pressure is.

Is where we have the greatest ability to push through prices.

<unk> is seeing some price pressure, but they also have very strong demand and the ability to push it through.

We believe in so.

I would say largely we feel where the costs are increasing the most is where demand is vast and we should have the most and elasticity to push through these prices.

<unk> is the one company that I would highlight because we have seen a dramatic rise in costs now that its contractual as we pushed through those raw material costs, but it comes with a lag. So if were getting cost increases today, and we can't push through a price increase for 90 days.

It's going to hit kind of war that 90 day period margins pretty hard and then they'll catch up as we go forward obviously, the converse happens when.

In prices decrease, but that's not the environment that we find ourselves in so right now I would say raw material prices are the most acute debt issue that we're dealing with and the companies I mentioned are the ones that have probably the biggest kind of impact in liberty velocity in all <unk>.

Sure.

But across the board, we are seeing labor shortages, which causes numerous challenges for our managers.

At our subsidiaries, we have to work more overtime in many cases or you have more late products than you might have to air ship, so that creates some challenges.

For each of our managers to deal with and then I would say as we said in our commentary. This is across the board every one of our companies are suffering from shipping problems and there is just a lack of available shipping capacity right. Now there is a lack of available capacity the cost in order to get.

Get the containers is much more expensive today than it was so those are being realized by everyone. So now I want to put it all into context, because that could sound really scary when you hear it but remember revenue growth and the operating leverage that you get on revenue growth.

Absorb a lot of these cost increases that are coming through so yes. It is something that we're dealing with our managers are working aggressively to manage through this and to preserve our margins and operating leverage is really helping I think what we really wanted to highlight for everybody is that.

As we continue to experience strong revenue growth it will not materialize with as much operating leverage as you normally would see and as much EBIT leverage as would be normal because some of that is going to get into margin compression.

Okay Super detailed and helpful Asbury.

Right.

Then the other higher level strategic question I had was basically just does the potential flip to a C Corp change any of your decision making process. When it comes to the portfolio, whether that'd be acquisitions or divestitures in the near term.

I mean this is one of the things that Ryan highlighted and I highlighted here. This is really a tax neutral there were some benefit that.

Historically it pass through entities received holistically from a tax standpoint.

That have waned in recent years to the point now where there is no advantage to executing our model as a pass through versus the CCAR. So they're being theres no disadvantage of being a C Corp. We don't view tax policy the tax change.

Or reclassification as being something that would dictate a change in strategy.

Okay Awesome and then just one more if I could slip on and here just on the dollar per share hypothetical distribution that you highlighted relative to the $1 44 that historically, we've had as all of the gap there. The 44 basically just alluding to what we have to retain for tax liabilities that come about as a <unk>.

On the C Corp.

Just help me understand sort of the how we arrived at the dollar.

Yes, sure Matt that's right.

If you think about the $1 44 per share that we've historically paid a portion of that is paid to the IRS and we went back five 810 years ran all the numbers did the averages and.

And as you know sometimes in a given year. The after tax return for Coty could be very low if we have substantial capital gains or other significant income some years, where we where we don't have substantial income. The after tax return can be higher right. So if we think about $1 44, and we went back and ran these number.

The after tax.

Dollar per share on average you received was very roughly around 70 and when we when we set this dollar.

Per share distribution going forward, we said well qualified.

Qualified dividend rates, that's roughly 30% if you consider federal and state getting getting you to about the same after tax roughly 70 cents per share right. That's how we that's how we thought it through because the goal here Matt is on an after tax basis. The returns should be the same.

We've created that using averages over the past number of years.

And Matt just one follow up point that I'll make.

As Ryan mentioned, we think the after tax proceeds the average 70 cents over history and in the future. We'll average around seven will average 70 under qualified dividend rate, we think going forward, it's much more beneficial even though its the same because the volatility in that after tax return is going to be.

Vastly reduced its going to go to zero volatility compared to before there were some years, where the capital gains and dividend income we receive essentially wiped out the full dollars 44, and there are some years, where virtually none of it was and I think shareholders.

We'll enjoy having a more stable after tax return that is equal to what they were getting an over history given that now there will be no volatility on that after tax return.

Excellent point, Okay awesome very helpful guys. Thank you I'll jump back in queue.

And your next question is from Kyle Joseph Joseph with Jefferies.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Congratulations on a really strong start to the year and thanks for having me on.

On a lot of my questions have been addressed just Brian I apologize if I missed it did you give an outlet for maintenance capex for the remainder of the year.

We did not update that Kyle so I would assume that it falls in line with the previous guidance.

Okay perfect.

And then Elias.

References.

<unk>.

I appreciate the color you gave on inflationary impacts on companies, but I wanted to talk about supply chain disruption.

And any company.

Being impacted there because looking at the results it doesn't necessarily feel like that's the case, but just any come easy to highlight being impacted by supply chain issues.

Yeah, Kyle I mean again I want to start the question the answer off with giving praise to our subsidiary company managers, who are all dealing with supply chain issues.

<unk> degrees and they are what they executed how they executed and the results. They posted honestly is nothing short of remarkable and I think it's a testament to the strength of our subsidiary managers that we have in place and kind of what theyre doing with their teams.

We have been for the last few years, making some adjustments to our subsidiary management teams and really doing a lot of upgrading and I think the result of those efforts is really showing through and what are very challenging times today.

I would point each company is having some issues.

Good day Liberty safe is dealing with getting some materials that we get are some components like locks that we get from Asia or difficult to get in and Theres components that we continue to highlight at velocity, that's causing supply shortages.

But really the two businesses that suffer the most right now from supply shortages are 511.

We have a inordinately high amount of in transit inventory sort of double to triple the normal levels on.

A historical basis that fits in transit, that's creating tremendous challenges for them to be able to ship.

Inventory that should have been sitting in our warehouse now that company is still growing so I think that is a testament to how strong demand is and how.

How well they are executing and velocity would be the second company that really is finding significant shortages, but again kudos to the management team at velocity for being able to manage through this and post such remarkable results.

Got it very helpful. Thanks again.

Having me on an answering my questions. Thank you.

<unk>.

Your next question is from Chris Kennedy with William Blair.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question and appreciate all the detail on that.

On the tax structure change potential.

Just wanted to dive a little bit more into the M&A pipeline is it primarily within kind of the consumer and niche industrial verticals are you.

Kind of getting closer to potentially.

Entering healthcare fintech or technology, some of the higher growth markets.

So I'd say, we're looking now outside of just outside a little bit further afield from sort of just the.

Traditional niche industrial and consumer businesses, we're not excluding them. Obviously, we're still focused on them, but we're looking a little bit further afield. We've done work on sort of building out that second or that next vertical but we haven't made any key hires to date and there is still a lot of stuff going on in there right. So on the sort of health care on the dedicated.

Health care team, we haven't had any.

Actions are definitive actions or definitive steps.

That is a long term sort of strategic process that we.

Continue to move down the path of but don't have anything to announce yet.

Okay understood.

And then.

So you mentioned increasing spending on some of your businesses can you just talk about some of the key priorities, I guess, which which businesses you're referring to thanks.

Thanks Scott.

Yes.

In General I would say, we really kind of clamped down on non revenue generating spend as I think kind of our shareholders would have.

Wanted us to do as the pandemic started.

And most of our managers just given the uncertainty as revenue started to rebound late in 2020 and for US remember, we started posting positive comps year over year in Q3 with acceleration in Q4 and now massive acceleration in Q1 of this year.

I would say the general uncertainty brought on by the pandemic had our managers continuing to be.

I would say conservative in terms of allowing cost to come back. So there are some costs that need to come back because we need to support the kind of revenue growth that we had and that is a.

Across the board now a company like Sterno, which hasn't seen the revenue pop back yet likely doesn't have cost increases until we see significant increases in the revenue out and their demand activity, but a company like velocity or companies like <unk> hundred 11, which were really.

Kind of pushing down on their cost structure 511, I'm thinking in particular, there are some costs that need to come back there just to be able to support the operations and provide the logistics capabilities and customer support and on and the financial kind of back office type things that need to occur.

So there is some I would say makeup that needs to occur in terms of some spend to support higher levels of demand that exists in our business is right now.

That's a small portion to be honest I would say where most of our focus is right now on adding cost.

If I said, we're going to add SG&A, maybe 10% to 20% across the portfolio is in non revenue generating activities. Our goal is when we create savings in those activities to try to make them as permanent as possible and be more efficient and have higher margin profiles of our companies. So I think everybody gets.

And we will do a really good job of being able to control those going forward we.

We believe that we have an opportunity, though with the strength of our balance sheet and with our companies performing so well to invest in revenue generating activities.

So I think of a company like <unk>, which put up unbelievably extraordinary result, or marucci right. I mean, if you look at these two companies combined they put up over 100% year over year growth I mean, it's just remarkable what they were able to do these companies have opportunities and rare.

<unk> generating spend to create faster longer term growth and from marucci, it's things like as we enter into new categories with greater.

Opportunity like in fielding gloves, and in softball, or maybe going into new markets like Japan, which is a market that we've been seeding being able to step on the accelerator, there and invest more to be able to harvest longer term faster growth rate in <unk>.

Our brand partners that would love for us to be working on more platforms that they want to come out with but we have limitations based on the engineering talent that we that we currently have and being able to kind of engineer through that and so those are some examples where we absolutely want to invest for future.

Growth and then across the board in our consumer businesses, we look at putting more money into our sales and marketing efforts and thinking that this is a really good time for us to do that to foster longer term faster growth. So I think.

Most of the spend that youre going to see accelerate is in really good high return on investment activities that are point of the type of attack revenue generating activities.

Very helpful. Thanks, a lot guys.

Thank you.

And we have time for one last question. Your next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

Hi, guys and congratulations on the quarter a couple about tax first and then fundamentally if I can on on the tax on I really appreciate all the detail you said.

You expect the average after tax attuned to approximate the average.

Historically versus the future.

In the analysis.

You've done is there any particular characteristic.

The average is going to be the same somebody is going to do with somebody is going to do but are there any characteristics within your analysis, which shareholders would would actually see a higher return versus a lower return post this decision if it goes through.

Robert.

The average just meant.

Mean across many years.

So the rough numbers I had provided which was the 70 cents means in some years the years, where we have substantial capital gains like we did in 2019.

The tax liability on a per share basis that a shareholder would've paid the IRS might have been $1 10, or $1 20 of that dollars 44, right. So the after tax return was a couple of pennies.

And right on this whereas in some years right, yes, 2020 should be up.

2018 was a reasonably high one so it's really about averaging over the years.

Shareholders in general their tax situation will differ slightly based on some of their inside basis from time to time, but but in general the average we were referring to is over.

Period.

Got it I appreciate that on.

Just one more on that.

The issue is still being discussed.

What's the process.

Realizing supportive recommendation if they decide to go this way.

That way.

What's left to do is this really.

Is it just the paperwork left to do in this proposal is going to go through or is the board still actually.

Evaluating on a fundamental basis.

So the board is certainly supportive of the analysis.

But what's left.

As time and that time has to do with a special shareholder vote, we need so that special proxy that we will have to file is subject to SEC review and that can take days or it can take months. So we've tried to be conservative with the time here.

So I think I think late Q3 is a reasonable estimate license I certainly hope we can beat that but it's a little bit out of our control because it's based on the SEC review.

So it's really a shareholder vote and then official formal board resolutions.

To be clear Robert.

We expect to move this will be move forward. Our board is fully supportive management is supportive. It's now just about getting the special vote in place and we think this is a.

Very good transaction for our shareholders in the company and we would anticipate that our shareholders will support it but obviously a lot of.

Kind of language, which was softer around that as we said believe or anticipate those things are more or less representative of what we're going to do internally. It was only representative of whether we get approval by our shareholders.

We would ask our shareholders to come out and vote their shares in the special <unk>.

Proxy, that's coming up so that we get to a quorum and that they vote in favor of this because we think it is a true.

<unk> changer, and creating total shareholder return over the long term for off for everybody got it I appreciate the clarity on that.

Thank you one more if I can on the supply chain and I say issues because.

On your performance.

It doesn't look like there has to be on it very very strong performance. So compliments on the <unk>.

The managers of the subsidiaries.

Produce it.

Can you give me that.

Five elaborate it sounds like country, there's just there's inventory stuck on container ships on long beach, probably but.

Is there any are there any of these supply chain issues actually related to overseas production capacity problems or is it primarily just transport and we all know the backlogs moving.

Backwards and forwards.

So the vast majority is due to shipping issues and port issues.

As you know I live on the West Coast and many times I can look out.

And see.

A C full of container ships that are sitting waiting to be unloaded at the port of long Beach and <unk>.

Always think Wow I'm wondering how much of our goods are sitting in there that unfortunately isn't being shipped to our customers.

But I would say the vast majority is that there are in some instances some component production issues that we're dealing with velocity because of the sudden increase in participation in the in their sports had a massive demand increase.

And we didn't have and are frankly, our suppliers didn't have the available capacity to ramp up as quickly as our demand ramp and we've been chasing supply for the better part of kind of eight nine months now and so we continue to build the kind of the supply there, but I would say.

It's a little bit different.

In terms of what is creating it right in some industries what youre hearing about is there was capacity that was really shut in and it's hard to bring that capacity back as quickly as demand has come back we haven't experienced any of that so there are some demand chasing some supply chasing because of rapid <unk>.

<unk> in terms of.

One company that we do have a watch out for would be ergo baby they have a.

A reasonable amount of production in India, I think as everyone is aware, India is suffering probably more acutely than any other country right now with the pandemic and so although right now we're continuing to get supply.

Non uninterrupted out of India, I would just say that there is a heightened level of worry that we're managing through right now around whether or not India starts to.

Enact more stringent lockdowns that would cause supply issues, there, but we're really not seeing out of our supply partners.

An inability.

On the from the most part.

To be able to meet our demands it's much more getting the product on a boat and getting it off loaded into the United States can I just got one exception to that Robert would be around the storms in Texas. We did have some shutdowns briefly.

That our teams did a really great job on managing around so there are some acute instances.

Got it got it I really appreciate that color on again.

Congrats on the quarter.

Record quarter for Cat.

That's still a tough environment out there.

Thank you Robert.

And I'll now hand, the call back over to your line is stable for closing remarks.

Thank you operator as always I'd like to thank everyone again for joining us on today's call and for your continued interest in Cody, we look forward to sharing our progress with you in the future that concludes our call operator.

Thank you for joining us today. This does conclude today's presentation you may now disconnect.

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Q1 2021 Compass Diversified Holdings Earnings Call

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