Q4 2021 Skyline Champion Corp Earnings Call

Good morning, and welcome to Skyline champion Corporation's fourth quarter and full year fiscal 'twenty 'twenty 1 earnings call.

The company has issued an earnings press release yesterday after the close I would like to remind everyone that yesterday's press release and statements made during this call include forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's expectations and projections and such.

Risks and uncertainties include the factors set forth and the earnings release and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Additionally, during today's call and the company will discuss non-GAAP measures, which it believes can be useful and evaluating its performance.

Reconciliation of these measures can be found and the earnings release.

I would now like to turn the call over to Mark Yost Skyline Champion's, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you for joining our earnings call and good morning, everyone joining.

Joining me on the call is Laurie Hough EVP and CFO.

Today, I will briefly talk about our fourth quarter and full year highlights then provide.

And update on activity, so far our first fiscal quarter and wrap up with thoughts about the balance of the year.

I am pleased with the results Skyline champion delivered into fiscal 'twenty 'twenty, 1 and.

As we continued to make progress and delivering topline growth and achieving improved capacity and productivity levels for our customers.

For the year, we grew adjusted EBITDA by 18% to $135 million and expanded margins by 120 basis points.

I'm extraordinarily proud of our team and the success, we achieved during the year, despite the challenging and unpredictable operating environment.

We started the year with idled facilities and restricted operations and we finished with strong financial results and expanding production levels.

And I'm increasingly confident and our ability to capitalize on the growing demand for housing.

From an industry standpoint, homebuilder confidence remains at historically high levels due to low interest rates and lean inventories of new and existing single family homes.

And champion provides high quality and affordable solutions for consumers and we believe that we can leverage our business model to continue to scale operations.

To service this robust demand environment.

We had an outstanding fourth quarter delivering terrific results across the business as we continue to see robust demand for new housing.

As stated earlier demand is being driven by numerous factors, including favorable financing historically low inventory levels and rapidly growing number of millennials and looking to become homeowners.

Our affordable price point during these inflationary times created strong order demand and that along with the acquisition of Scottsville resulted and backlogs growing by 370 million during the fourth quarter to reach $859 million.

Fortunately, we were able to increase production during the quarter, allowing us to moderate the growth in our delivery times for our customers to 28 weeks at the end of March compared to 18 weeks at the end of the third quarter.

Spike the surge in orders.

As a result of solid production increases, we delivered 6342 homes and improvement of 34 per cent from the prior year and up 12% sequentially.

We improved our U S manufacturing facilities and capacity utilization to 77 per cent during the quarter and.

And increase of 7 percentage points from the third quarter.

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Our improved production efficiencies allowed us to increase daily production rates over the levels achieved in the sequential third quarter due in part to the progress made on streamlining product offerings.

While we were able to add people total work force.

Labor availability continues to be a challenge.

We made progress and our western Canadian plants as well as we saw home sales volume increased over 200 per cent from the prior year and 32% sequentially.

During the quarter, we also announced the acquisition of Scott built homes, which significantly enhanced skylines manufacturing and distribution presence in the attractive mid south region with 2 facilities in Georgia.

We are thrilled to have the scottsville team on board and look forward to continuing to capture synergies, we are confident and our ability to deliver solid returns and meaningful shareholder value as part of our overall capital allocation strategy.

Moving into fiscal 'twenty, 2 we expect that the demand for attainable housing will remain extremely strong for the first and second quarters, and then moderate to higher than normal levels as the economy starts to reopen and the stimulus effect starts to fade.

At the same time, we believe that we have the raw materials to operate and maintain topline revenue levels and the first quarter similar to what we saw in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021.

We then anticipate the compounding challenges of supply chain and labor.

And should cause sequential decline and our second and third quarters. We expect that these challenges will subdue and subside by our fourth fiscal quarter, allowing us to return to first quarter levels.

While we will manage through this short term supply side challenges during our fiscal 'twenty 2.

Our focus is and looking outward.

And with entry level housing supply hitting a 5 decade, low and millennial household formations, increasing we continue to gain confidence and our move into digital and turnkey offerings.

Inflationary and interest rate pressures will only hayes from the transition away from antiquated site built methods currently performed today to more modern production practices.

Therefore, we are focused on expanding our capacity and investing and automation to enhance our processes.

We will need to supply more housing to our channel partners into our customers who need affordable obtainable homes.

The growth and orders experienced during our fourth quarter was enhanced due to our initial digital efforts and as we mentioned and our last call by Skyline and being named America's most trusted manufactured housing and builder receiving a 5 star Trust rating and a survey of more than 24000.

New manufactured home buyers and.

In fiscal 'twenty, 2 we're accelerating our investments into our platforms for sustained growth.

Today's consumers reward brands that they can trust and they can deliver a simple and seamless experience digitally and at retail the pandemic has only intensified this expectation.

We recently expanded our senior leadership team with the addition of Tim Larson as the company's Chief growth officer, as we accelerate our investments into our customer experience strategy and omni channel digital platform <unk>.

And brings with him and significant experience and proven performance and transforming the customer and digital experience across a diverse portfolio of brands and industries.

With Tim and this new role.

Even more confident that skyline champion and we'll be able to develop industry best solutions and.

And experiences for our customers and create growth opportunities for our company.

And finally in fiscal 'twenty, 2 we will continue to demonstrate our commitment to ESG for companywide and plant specific programs as well as through our everyday business practices.

And when providing high quality, yet affordable homes for homebuyers.

Beginning in fiscal 'twenty, 2 we have launched a program to participate and reforestation.

With for St products are central to the construction of homes, we have initiated a program to plant 1 tree for every tree used and the construction of our homes.

Reforestation and contributes to the environment by replenishing for us, reducing greenhouse gases and protecting the watershed.

I will now turn the call over to Laurie to discuss our quarterly financials in more detail.

Thanks, Mark and good morning, everyone and will begin by reviewing our financial results for the fourth quarter, followed by a discussion of our balance sheet and cash flows and well.

And also briefly discuss our expectations for the fiscal first quarter as well as the long term outlook before reviewing our numbers I would like to highlight a few dynamics that impacted our results and the quarter compared to the year ago period.

As mentioned in our press release, we had an extra week and our fourth quarter of fiscal year 2021, compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020.

And the extra week accounted for approximately $31 million and sales during the quarter.

In addition, we acquired Scott Holmes and February 28, and have included it's resolved for the month of March.

Finally, we experienced negative impacts from the COVID-19 restrictions, which caused us to temporarily close 20 plants at the end of the fourth quarter last year, reducing overall production levels for that period net.

Net sales increased by 49% to 448 million and the fourth quarter versus the same quarter last share. We saw revenue growth of 126 million and the U S factory built housing segment as well as growth and our Canadian factory built housing segment of $23.9 million.

The increase and U S factory built revenue was driven by an increase and the number of homes sold and increase and average selling price.

Increase and the number of homes sold was 29% or 1320 units for a total of 5923 homes compared to the same quarter last year.

Average selling price per U S homes sold increased by 11, 6% to $67200 due to product mix and price increases and response to rising material costs.

We are pleased with the sequential growth in revenue and the U S factory built segment, which increased 18% and the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2020, 1 and this increase was driven by an 11% increase and homes sold and a 7 per cent increase and average selling price.

Canadian revenue increased 212% to $35.2 million compared to last year, driven primarily by a 222 per cent increase and the number of homes sold to 419 units.

The average home selling price and Canada of $84100 decreased 3% versus the same quarter last year and pricing actions enacted in response to rising material costs were offset by a shift and product mix.

Consolidated gross profit increased to $99.1 million up 65% versus the prior year quarter due to increased sales volume and higher pricing.

Our U S housing segment gross margins were 21, 9% of segment net sales up 120 basis points from the fourth quarter last year due to direct labor efficiencies and increase the leverage of fixed cost caused by higher sales volume.

SG&A and the fourth quarter increased to $52.5 million from $47.2 million and the same period last year.

Lower expenses due to decreased travel and marketing were more than offset by higher variable compensation and investment and the company's online customer experience and other system enhancements, which will continue to accelerate throughout the year.

Net income for the fourth quarter was $33.9 million or <unk> 59 per diluted share compared to net income of $6 million or earnings of 11 cents per diluted share during the same period last year.

The increase in EPS was driven by a combination of higher revenue and gross profit.

The company's effective tax rate for the quarter was 24, 5% versus and effective tax rate of 51.8 per cent for the year ago quarter. The.

The company's effective tax rate decreased primarily as a result of a fiscal year 2020 increased and and deferred tax asset valuation allowance, partially offset by recognition of certain cash.

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Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $51.2 million and increase of 155 per cent over the same period a year ago.

Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 470 basis points to 11, 4% due to higher sales growth growth gross margin improvement and leverage of fixed costs.

Forest product inflation as well as other building product costs continue to increase during the fourth quarter and into our fiscal 2022 first quarter as we discussed during our third quarter Conference call. We began seeing an increase and labor inflation during these periods as well.

There are several levers, we can utilize and response to increasing material and labor costs, including price adjustments product standardization raw material substitutions and further operational improvements. Despite our efforts to continue to pass on inflation and make operational and improvement.

Our production may be impacted by the availability of raw materials due to global supply chain challenges the availability of qualified labor as well as the homebuyers and ability to qualify for financing at the higher inflationary rates.

As of April 3.2021, we had $263 million of cash and cash equivalents and long term borrowings of 39 million with no maturities until June of 2020, 3 we generated $154 million of operating cash flow for the year, which doubled from the price.

For year.

The increase and operating cash flow is primarily due to the increase and net income customer deposits and deferment other employer payroll taxes allowed by the cares Act, which were partially offset by an increase in raw material inventory balances during.

During the fourth quarter we.

We use 52, and a half million dollars of our cash on hand to acquire Scott Bell.

We remain focused on executing on our growth and operational initiatives and given our favorable liquidity position and plan to utilize our cash to reinvest and the business and support strategic growth.

Now ill turn the call back to Mark for some closing remarks.

Thanks, Lori I'm encouraged with the solid momentum and our business and the results we delivered this fiscal year.

Our strong backlog and efforts to expand our capacity and increase our productivity have positioned us well to respond to the growing demand for our homes.

Before we open the lines for Q&A I wanted to take a moment and thank our team.

This has been a truly challenging year for everyone and the skyline champion team overcame those challenges and delivered strong results, while helping to solve the affordable housing crisis with our unique and innovative innovative home solutions and.

And ensuring the safety of all involved along the way.

And even more confident and our ability to execute our strategy going forward. After this extraordinary year and with that operator, you may now open the lines for Q&A.

Thank you.

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Thank you and our first question comes from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Mark Lorie and good morning, Thanks for taking the questions.

Good morning, how are you I am well, thank you and congrats on the execution for you as well as team maybe start with.

A little bit more detail on the customer buying experience. You described can you maybe provide a few specific examples of how youre kind of simplifying the process and then separately.

Digital initiatives and automation projects.

And any tangible examples of where.

Some of those projects and and where you're ramping investment and would be really helpful.

Yeah sure. Thanks, Dan.

I think as far as the buying experience. The first thing we're doing is driving a tremendous amount of leads to our retail channel partners to increase their business and to make it an easier buying experience for the customer. So the customer comes in with a pre vetted at home that they know what they want.

Because the price did they looked at it online.

It's much easier for the retail sales person and the retail channel partner to serve the customer's needs. So I think that's the first step is providing more vetted leads to our retail channel partners.

A second step and that process is to make it very easy to design and configure your home.

Online and then find that home along with maybe a communication process Dan that allows the customer to see when that home is delivered and backlog and how long that order is going to take.

So that they can pick from a selection of options and.

And have more transparency and the buying process eventually because I think that's where the world is going so I think it's really streamlining some of those from them and then also too it's with our turnkey solutions that we've been investing and in different parts of the country and the U S.

Having a set and finished crew that concert finish.

Finish and turnkey the home over to the end customer to make it easier for either a retail partner community partner and or just.

The end customer to have a seamless experience rather than multiple handoffs and so all of that will be connected to our systems and digitally so it looks.

It looks like the handling and the baton is seamless to the customer and makes the buying process more enjoyable.

Perfect and then on the kind of automation side, maybe some of the and the examples you might be able to share there.

Yeah, I think I think on the automation side. There is some some new and innovative processes that are out there.

That have come to bear thus far we've seen.

And studied many things frankly, Dan that don't work for don't have a good return on capital.

And met with about 40 or 50 different come.

Companies or suppliers or vendors to different automation.

You know components and things and doing that what we've seen is that many of the process and tools. Today that are developed that are off the shelf really are not effective could be the speed and.

Or quality and ore.

Cost savings that would be needed, but now today there is.

A handful of new equipment is starting to come out.

And that is being designed and that can meet the speed and quality. So we're not quite there yet, but we're we see.

Some potential investments right on the horizon that we're going to be making and the next.

I actually throughout this year and into next year. So.

Because it's proven itself out at least on that.

Uh huh.

High level.

Okay.

Got it and maybe switch gears for 1 more just talk about the raw material availability.

The biggest pain points that youre seeing as you enter fiscal Q2 and fiscal Q3 as you described for you and the industry and and maybe some of those alternatives in terms of procurement or substitute materials.

Yes, Thanks, Tim I think the the raw material supply chain and would probably be the largest short term driver.

For the industry and specifically for us.

As we look many of the supply of our supply partners are dealing with production challenges themselves.

So, they're going out and putting allocations and place so certain certain critical raw material suppliers that we've got.

They said, we'll give you an increase year over year, however that increase year over year would mean, a roughly a 20% reduction to where we were in the fourth quarter.

So we've got a problem solved to either get substitute materials, which we're working through but I think those supply chain allocations.

We're giving them several components are going to create challenges as we work through the year. So if we can find substitute.

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And hopefully we can we can maintain certain levels of production, but it's really supply allocation, but as for the larger issue today other than just confronting the day to day challenges of short term supply issues and.

2 part adhesives PVC fiberglass tubs.

Insulation.

I think it's today, it's a very volatile situation. The team has done an exceptional job managing through that growth.

As far as.

But I think for larger allocation issues will be the driver of volume this year.

Perfect and I'll jump back with any follow ups. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question is from the line of Greg Palm with Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your questions.

Hey, good morning, Mark Hey, Lori congrats on the quarter congrats on getting to that 10 plus percent EBITDA margin as well really impressive stuff overall.

Thanks, Greg.

I guess, just starting off I appreciate some of the color on the expectations for the fiscal year and I just wanted to clarify whether the comments about top line are those related solely to unit production I guess the reason why I ask is I'm, assuming pricing and or Asps and a go forward basis will be.

Somewhat higher than what you just reported in the past quarter based on what we see home price is doing so I'm curious if that's incremental or if the commentary on top line includes contribution from higher home sales as well.

Hey, Greg and I can take that 1 so we really expect asps and Tom moderates and the growth and they asked me to Monterrey merged.

Versus the fourth quarter kind of going forward through fiscal 'twenty..2 we are going to have some increase in price that comes through but that's going to be offset with product mix.

Got it okay. So so maybe more singles and then then multis, which brings down the AOSP, but somewhat higher prices on a like for like basis, So maybe that evens out asps and that's what you're thinking.

And you got it got it.

And just looking back on the quarter, even if you make some adjustments for the extra week youre still outpacing industry production or shipments by a pretty decent amount I think it's the second quarter and are in a row. So it implies additional share gains I don't know if that's a byproduct of having some available capacity that others don't.

Maybe it's you're starting to see returns and this online digital initiative I don't know how sustainable is that going forward.

Yeah, I think I think it's definitely sustainable the team has we definitely have had some productivity gains.

Or just labor efficiencies and productivity have definitely picked up and the second half for the year.

No.

I see debt, continuing and progressing our supply chain.

Borrowings supply chain issues. So that's very encouraging and then yeah I think the digital solutions are bringing to us.

More of a.

Ah vetted standardized product and we've been simplifying our product mix. So I think all of those factors Gregor, allowing us and helping us to gain share today, especially given many of the states that we participate in.

This past year have been.

And have been down in terms of volume. So some of the key states, we purchase speed and and California and Michigan.

The Pennsylvania, and New York, Florida regions. If you look at total industry shipments for manufactured housing those are actually down and so for us to gain share overall when some of the key geographies we serve.

Were down for the year is quite encouraging.

Yeah, no. That's a good point alright, great well I'll leave it there best of luck going forward. Thanks again.

Thanks, Rick.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please proceed with your questions.

Good morning, everyone.

Thanks for taking the questions congrats on the results I.

And I wanted to ask back on the pricing side, you mentioned moderating the growth rate this coming year, and and you know and the prepared remarks, you made a comment about people.

Qualifying for financing and keeping an eye on that as prices move higher and just how do you think about the ability at this point for the typical customer of manufactured housing to accept for their price increases is there any kind of ceiling to it.

Or just a consideration and not stretching affordability too far thank you.

Thanks, Matt and good morning, I think yeah, we definitely watch for that right now.

What we call the fallout rates at lenders is very low by historic standards still.

So you know as prices increase.

That will definitely create a ceiling and some way, but I think what we're seeing more so.

It is really.

Our price increases vis a the traditional site builders is much lower so we're actually getting.

Homebuyers that maybe could have qualified for a site built home, but they are moving and maybe they couldnt and they know camps.

To qualify for a site built home so they kind of moving to a more affordable price point homes and more attainable home. So generally as inflation happens and interest rate increases happen.

Generally manufactured housing for off site construction does better than say built during those times. So as we see the inflation and as we see this.

And we anticipate gain.

Gaining share versus the site built.

Overtime, so that's a positive but we havent seen any significant concerns yet there's there's we're watching it but we're not concerned yet on our fall out rates and lenders.

Got it that's really helpful. Mark Thank you for that second.

Second 1 on the on the margin side, you know the north of 11% this quarter on the EBITDA margins.

Obviously, it's only 3 months, but ahead of that call. It soft long term goal of 10% on a full year basis is there any reason why that margin can sustain a double digit rate year, just given the volume strength.

And kind of in light of all the other puts and takes you're seeing on price versus cost.

Hi, Matt.

So the 11, 4% and that number and we've got to consider a couple of things we have the extra week and this fourth quarter. So we were able to leverage more fixed cost with our production.

Mark mentioned, we had significant labor efficiencies from simplification and our product so that certainly will continue barring any.

More significant than we've seen labor challenges.

But in the fourth quarter, we did see a benefit from.

Forest product cost, which sounds kind of add but.

And the way that we price our forest products based on market futures and looking at those futures based.

First is our backlog and.

And.

So we saw those futures and price accordingly, but then the cost actually dipped slightly and that's not going to continue going forward. So we see our.

And our margin is actually coming down because of those reasons from the 11 for.

Is it sustainable debt, 10% was actually at pre Covid volume.

And our volumes as Mark had mentioned are higher.

So we have.

We have that impacting as well.

Another component that's going to go into the EBITDA margin has an increase and at CNA.

From our digital offerings and investment and our direct to consumer platform.

Alright really helpful. Thank you Laurie and thanks Mark.

Thanks, Matt.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of from Mike Dahl with RBC capital markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

Hi, This is Chris kalata on for Mike Thanks for taking my questions.

The first question I was I was wondering if you guys seen any kind of tangible evidence of your customer base broadening out and particularly on the traditional site built build their side given some of the struggles there having.

Complete homes.

Have you seen any any other recent demand strength come from that part of the market and also do you have any update on how the Genesis rollout.

Yes. Thank you.

I think to 2 things 1 is the on the site built side, we're just seeing recently.

Our site builders pause pause construction because of high.

High material costs, we have not.

With our cost structure, we are not.

And we're still very affordable and it's still producing so I think that switch is yet to happen I think it's too early and the stage to see and much of that switch.

And as builders continue to pause production.

And and construction activity.

And because of high cost, we're able to still produce and.

Make margin even at these lower price point level. So it's it's a more effective cost structure for us.

Most site builders have.

So I think that debt transition will happen, but it's going to take.

A handful of months before people really start flowing from 1 side for the other and.

At least a significant number.

On the Genesis side, there's definitely been a tremendous amount of interest and activity on that.

The challenge for US is just to still increase output to meet the demands and make sure we have adequate supply for those site builders, so adding capacity and adding allocations for builders is really the primary focus is not so much a demand issue as it is a supply issue to make sure we.

And get them adequate supply and Genesis, but the product itself.

As has been very well received.

Okay.

Understood Thanks for that.

And in terms of kind.

And the demand trends by channel and has there any has there been any notable differences between retail and the and the community channel.

No I think I think community.

At the beginning of the pandemic community channel softened I would say they've returned and probably return with a little bit more vigor recently.

And even retail retail was strong kind of initially out of the pandemic I would say bolt channels are adequately strong and I believe that the the community channel probably has.

A little bit more momentum currently than even the retail channel today. So it's just a very strong outlook for.

For housing demand I think the affordable price point and housing.

Is.

Particularly attractive in todays market with the inflationary pressures and concerns over interest rate increases.

Okay.

And so thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you.

As a reminder for star 1 to ask a question. Our next question is from the line of film and with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys. Good morning, Congrats on another strong quarter.

On pricing.

Laurie I think it said you mentioned net pricing growth may moderate a little bit going forward to from a high level have you taken enough pricing to offset all the inflation, we're seeing you called out maybe some for.

Why constraints.

I would imagine your suppliers are pushing more price I just wanted to get a little more color on that and the ability to kind of San Fran and inflation and drive margins.

Through this year.

Oh, Hi, Phil Yeah, I think that we have seen we are taking price increases to offset the majority of inflation to be perfectly honest commodities and I really volatile as im sure everybody on a common thing so.

And we're doing the best we can based on the information that the features shell.

And just keeping an eye on it.

So we are we are integrating our scottsville acquisition and.

And have also their backlog that's going to be flowing through at where our pre acquisition pre acquisition pricing. So that's just another component of it.

Price and margin coming through in the next couple of park.

Okay. That's helpful.

Transfer calling out.

And meeting demand into Q3, Q it sounds like it's getting better at least on euro and from a production standpoint and issues more.

Getting supply from your getting mature from your suppliers, but any color when your production levels will get to optimal level on your end and any other mothball facilities that you have that you are potentially considering bringing on and just kind of and helped me debt strong demand.

Yes, Thanks, Phil I think where we are anxiously looking at.

Bringing some of our idle facilities really the limitation there primarily is supply chain driven today.

We want to make sure we have adequate materials and to operate those plans for effectively.

So.

And we feel very good.

On boarding process, we've done this year has been.

And it has been improved has been better our training and our people have been doing a great job. So I think all of those and some of those internal processes and theyre, not where they need to be.

I think there's always room for improvement, but the team has done an exceptional job and doing and simplifying some of the operating processes. We have internally. So so I feel very good about the ability to ramp production as long as we have adequate materials to operate so.

And when we see a break and the supply chain I think we'll be looking to bring on more capacity.

We see affordable housing demand is in very good supply.

And on that and no mark in terms of bringing on some of these mothballed capacity..1 is it really capital intensive how are these are for.

Activities for my.

Operational level and I don't know if they've been idle for a long time and then lastly on the supply side from a material standpoint, you kind of talked about a few of them are these mostly material that were impacted from the Texas storm because I think you called out some of the PVC and polyethylene type.

Type material, which might've been more impacted but any more color on what type of material, you're seeing a little more constrained and general thanks.

Yes, Thanks, Phil I think you know.

On the on the idle plants that we're looking to restart I think it's fairly lean capital to get them restarted.

We do anticipate having 1 on 1 or 2 of those plants restarted with some automation capabilities. So the lead time and that may be a little different but to get capacity to the market quickly I think we will restart facilities with very low capex levels and then.

As we put it and automation.

And do some of our facilities that will take a little longer be a little bit more expensive, but nothing that.

And from our standpoint, Crazy I think Laurie what's our normal capital.

Open up and facility is.

And $3 million to $4 million.

It's fairly long.

Got it and then on the material side, I'm, sorry, Scott and Mark.

And the materials side, we're definitely seeing allocation issues from the.

And as you mentioned, the petrochemical side and that's lingering.

Starting to clear up and certain functions, but it has a cascading effect.

And I think some of that and cascading effect and <unk>.

And we've.

Destock for supply chain, the entire supply chain for such a level debt.

Any other hiccups will create.

Challenges in that so and so I think it's definitely on the petrochemical side and that will kind of linger throughout.

Portion of the year, a little longer than we anticipate because for.

For at least maybe initially anticipated just because they are having a difficult time frame and labor, bringing people back as well and certain functions and.

And they have to repopulate restock the supply chain and general.

But I think it's other other items like in insulation and and other products that have longer lead times to bring on capacity.

Going to also be part of that.

Solution that you can't startup of fiberglass plant for instance, and and <unk>.

Mediate time period and ramp up capacity quickly. So some of those longer lead time items are also going to be.

More on the allocation side.

Okay, that's great color Mark it really appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you at this time I will turn the floor back to Mark Hughes for closing comments.

I'd like to thank everyone for taking time and your interest this morning, and Skyline champion and we look forward to continuing to solve the affordable housing prices.

Throughout and provide good quality and attainable homes for people across the country and.

And the U S and Canada. Thank.

Thank you for your interest stay safe and have a great day.

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