Q1 2022 American Woodmark Corp Earnings Call
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Good day and welcome to the American with Martin Corporation first fiscal quarter 2022 conference calls.
Today's call is being recorded August 31st 2021.
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I would now like to turn the call over to Julian check Vice President and CFO. Please go ahead Sir.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to American <unk> first fiscal quarter conference call. Thank you all for taking time today to participate.
Turning me today is Scott Culbreth, President and CEO.
We'll begin with the review of the quarter and I'll add additional details regarding our financial performance. After our comments, we'll be happy to answer your questions Scott.
Thank you Paul.
To everyone for joining us today for our first fiscal quarter earnings call.
I hope that you and your loved ones continue to remain safe as it can.
Begins to manage the growing number of Covid cases related to the Delta.
Our teams did an exceptional job of delivering sales growth in the quarter, but our margins were once again pressured by materials logistics and labor inflation.
Improved productivity increasing production levels in the second round of pricing actions have been announced or are in process that will deliver additional margin improvement in the second half of our fiscal year that will provide additional details on in a few minutes.
Our first quarter sales were up 13, 5%.
Demand once again continued to outpace production in the quarter across all platforms.
Our ability to match demand remains limited by two factors labor and material availability.
Material shortages led to unplanned downtime and efficiency loss in substitution for me when available to continued production container.
Container challenges also persist with higher rates and air Freighting at times due to port congestion.
Backlog increased across our made to order platform with incoming order rates, increasing over 25% versus the prior year.
As a reminder, we level load our production on the made to order platform.
I mentioned last quarter that our incoming order rates across both the new construction and remodel businesses exceeded shipments for the quarter and that our teams are increasing production levels, which will drive incremental sales in our first fiscal quarter as we improved backlog levels.
Incoming orders again exceeded shipments in our first fiscal quarter, and we did not make as much progress as planned and reducing backlog in fact backlog increased significantly as we struggled to labor attraction retention impacting our ability to increase production.
Going forward production levels will continue to increase and drive incremental sales over the next few quarters.
Our teams have continued to invest in production capability of the outsourcing staffing additions and productivity improvements.
Within new construction of our business grew eight 5% versus prior year.
<unk> direct business Comped positive low teens in units, while our Frameless Pcs business Comped positive in units over 20%.
These growth rates growth rates were partially offset by mix with our origins product positioned to lower price point and our port Timberlake offering.
Demand and backlog in the coming months are expected to increase as many of the builders are attempting to close the unprecedented number of homes that were started in calendar Q2 before their fiscal year closes in calendar Q4.
This anticipated increase in desire closings from all builders late in the year is going to continue to put pressure on the capacity all finished trades and that paying months.
Looking at our remodel business, which includes our home center and independent dealer and distributor businesses revenue was up 17, 1% to prior year.
Within this our home center business was up 23%.
Our made to order remodel business continued to improve with 20 plus percent comps.
Our stock business performed well as pro and DIY demand drove comps in the high teens.
With regards to our dealer sugar business, we were up six 3% for the quarter.
Demand has remained strong across both remodel and new construction channel, especially within the value segment.
Our adjusted EBITDA was $33.0 million of EBITDA margins at seven 3% for the quarter with reported EPS of <unk> 18, and adjusted EPS of <unk> 70 cents.
We expect the new construction and remodel markets remain strong and anticipate growth to continue for the remainder of our fiscal year.
We are positioned to take advantage of this market as consumers invest in their homes and existing home sales and single family starts remain healthy.
Lots supply interest rates and overall price appreciation new construction may impact demand in early calendar year 2022, but long term growth remained solid.
Should a short term reduction in demand impacted market, our backlog will allow us to maintain a higher production level.
I shared last quarter, the cost of goods sold inflation expectations for the fiscal year included an additional approximately two 5% to 3% for material and logistics on top of what was already realized in fiscal year 'twenty one.
The impact is more than double that for our current estimates.
We will be able to recover inflation via price increases, but note theres, a lag between incurred inflation and realized pricing.
As stated previously we are taking additional actions in the current period across all channels.
We will improve margins in fiscal year 'twenty two.
Pricing has not kept pace with inflation in the past two quarters due to our elevated backlog and unprecedented materials and logistics increases, but we will be in better alignment by our fiscal third quarter with full realization of all pricing in the fourth quarter.
Many of our actions are effective 10, one which will place additional pressure on our fiscal second quarter adjusted EBITDA margins.
Keep in mind that we only realized approximately $3 million of impact in the first quarter of fiscal 2022 for pricing.
At our current sales levels, we expect the impact of our confirmed pricing action to increase in the second half of fiscal 2022 to over $25 million per quarter.
Additional efforts are also underway within our operations teams to improve productivity and increase and increase production levels.
Sequential margin improvement is forecasted for each of the next three quarters with our fiscal fourth quarter comping positively versus the prior year.
The board and our team firmly believe in the long term potential of this business and the strategy I shared during our May call is unchanged.
Investments will continue in our digital online capabilities and product, while we focus our efforts on the enablers of customer experience platform design talent and ESG efforts.
All of these will contribute to incremental revenue growth and improve margins.
In closing despite our financial results not matching the level of effort. Our teams are putting forth. This quarter I'm proud of our employees for what they have accomplished and I look forward to their continued contributions.
I'll now turn the call back over to Paul for additional details on the financial results for the quarter.
Thank you Scott.
Financial headlines for the quarter.
Net sales were $443 million inclusive of $3 million of price, representing an increase of 13, 5% over the same period last year.
Our combined home center and independent dealer distributor channel net sales increased 17, 1% for the quarter with home centers, increasing 23% and dealer distributor increasing six 3%.
The remodel business continues to have strong tailwind for both our made to order and our made to stock channels homeowners.
Homeowners, having greater equity in their homes and historical amounts and the demand from the first time homebuyers suggest this trend will continue.
New construction net sales increased eight 5% for the first fiscal quarter compared with the same fiscal quarter in the prior year.
Timberlake direct business Comped positively for the quarter and we are still experiencing growth in our origins line is there is a continued mix shift occurring towards the lower priced product in the market.
We are experiencing a delay from the builders and their ability to receive our cabinets and are building a finished goods backlog.
This is impacting our inventory levels.
Our Frameless business continues to grow and has built a backlog of orders during the past two quarters due to logistical and supply constraints on the west coast.
New construction sales were above market completions during the first quarter of fiscal 2022.
We are experiencing in 90 to 120 day, plus lag between start and cabinet installation.
The overall market starts and single family homes were up 47, 6% for our fiscal first quarter looking at completions during our fiscal first quarter. We saw a four 7% increase year over year, which further supports timing impacts the market is experiencing.
Net income was $3 million or <unk> 18 per diluted share in the current fiscal year versus $17.0 million or <unk> 94 per diluted share last year.
Net income for the first quarter of fiscal 2022 decreased $14.0 million due to an additional $5 million of healthcare expenses and the rapidly evolving inflationary pressures outpacing our pricing actions taken across all of our channels.
Material and logistics inflation was approximately 220 basis of sequential pressure within the quarter from our last from our fiscal fourth quarter of 2021.
Given the increased backlog of our products, there's an inherent lag in the realization of our pricing actions that we have executed to offset the first round of inflationary pressures we experienced in fiscal 2021.
Adjusted EBITDA for the first fiscal quarter was $33.0 million or seven 3% of net sales compared to $60.0 million or 14, 5% of net sales for the same quarter of the prior fiscal year.
The company's gross profit margin for the first quarter of fiscal 2022 was 12, 1% of net sales versus 24% reported in the same quarter of last year.
Gross margin in the first quarter of the current fiscal year was negatively impacted by an increase of $8.0 million of health care costs, and the rapidly evolving inflation in material and logistics input costs.
These input costs were partially offset by the increase in sales, which created leverage of our fixed cost of our operating platforms.
And an accounting adjustment to move the total company to account for inventory on a FIFO basis.
The movement to FIFO was done to be consistent with our peers and to standardize our approach for the total company in.
In addition, it will help facilitate our transition to the cloud based ERP, which impacts our finance and procurement teams and is slated to go live in February of 2022.
Total operating expenses were 10, 5% of net sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2022, compared with 12, 8% of net sales for the same period of fiscal 2021.
Selling and marketing expenses were five 2% of net sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2022, compared with five 1% of net sales in the same period of fiscal 2021.
The ratio to net sales increased 10 basis points, resulting from the increased display launch and health care costs, partially offset by the leverage created from the higher sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2022.
General and administrative expenses were five 4% of net sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2022, compared with seven 7% of net sales for the same period of fiscal 2021.
The decrease in the ratio was primarily driven by the leverage from higher sales lower incentive costs and reduced spending in the first quarter of fiscal 2022.
Free cash flow was negative for the quarter totaling $9.0 million for the current fiscal year compared to positive free cash flows of $34.0 million in the prior year.
The decrease was primarily due to changes in our operating cash flows specifically lower net income.
Higher inventory balances lower accrued expenses, which was partially offset by improved accounts receivable balances.
Net leverage was 235 times adjusted EBITDA as of the end of the first fiscal quarter.
The company paid down $30.0 million of total debt during the quarter and in addition, we repurchased $25 million or 300000 shares within the first fiscal quarter.
Shifting our focus for the remainder of fiscal 2022, we expect full year fiscal 2022 sales to be mid to upper single digit growth over the prior fiscal year.
The growth rate is highly dependent upon overall industry economic growth trends material logistics and labor constraints as well as consumer behaviors that can be impacted by the ever changing COVID-19 environment.
Margins will be continued to be challenged for the next two quarters. However, our expectation is that margins will improve sequentially throughout the remainder of the year.
Our fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 will be our highest margin for the fiscal year Comping positively from both the prior year and prior quarter.
All pricing actions will be fully executed by this time and are expected to offset all known material and logistics inflation effects that we have experienced through the first fiscal quarter of 2022.
We are in the process of executing our next round of price increases across all of our sales channels. Historically it takes three to four months to realized price on a major stock platform and five to six months on our made to order platform for.
For the next round of pricing actions, we're being more aggressive on the timing to realize.
The trend of higher inflation could pose the future risks to this outlook as we still do not know the full impact of the pandemic and we are managing the macroeconomic factors that remain unstable.
The company's cash position as of July 31, 2021 was $35.0 million of cash on hand, and access to $242 million of additional availability under our revolver.
In fiscal 2022, our first quarter performance impacted our normal expectation of free cash flow for the fiscal year.
Due to timing delays of capital projects related to supplier constraints and the extended timing of our ERP project. We are revising our full year capital spending outlook to be three 5% of net sales versus the 4% previously stated.
Our team members continue to make it happen daily this has been a consistent trend throughout the past 18 months.
Thank you to all of our employees for their continued passion and making a difference.
They've helped contribute to our top line growth, we're working to offset the ever increasing inflation in materials and the difficulties in logistics we.
We will stick to our plan reinforce our pricing actions and continuously improve our operations to return to our targeted margins.
This concludes our prepared remarks, we'll be happy to answer any questions you have at this time.
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Hello.
Our first question comes from Garik <unk> with loop capital. Please go ahead.
Oh, great. Thank you thanks for taking my question.
First of all just trying to reconcile.
The pricing that you secured in the quarter the $3 billion.
How did that track relative to your prior expectations. It seems like it might have been a little bit light.
To us.
If so was that more of a function of just the lag.
Pushing through the price increases because of the lag in completions versus starts or were there additional challenges in putting a price increase through to your different customer channels.
Yes, so the delta in Q1 that was below our original expectations. When we were thinking about modeling out our first quarter. It wasn't due to the percentage that we wanted to achieve in the respective channels and by customer. It really was tied to an increasing backlog. So we negotiated the increases as expected we got the percentages that we.
Expected, but actually realizing it in delivering those cabinets at that newer price was pushed out so as a result, we only realized a $3 million inside the quarter that rolls forward, obviously into the future quarters and will realize it at that time.
Got it and then the $25 million in price improvement.
The second half of the year <unk>.
You addressed this a little bit in your prepared remarks, but.
Is it fair to assume that really does not assume much of the <unk>.
October price increase just given the lag.
Commenting additional pricing.
So it does include a small amount of the October actions that I mentioned that the let me take a step back we had our initial round of pricing, let's call. It round one that we went through and it does vary depending on the channel. When you go achieve that that plus a second round that we're in the midst of doing now now with regards to the second round of actions we've.
<unk> executed that in one of our channels.
Two of our channels will be getting notifications tomorrow regarding that next round of pricing action. So it's a bit of a hybrid the $25 million includes all of the first round actions, including that one channel I mentioned that we've already communicated to in the second round and then were expecting incremental pricing that will be realized really late Q3 into Q4 for this next round of ash.
Actions.
Great and then just my last question before I pass it on on the cost side can you elaborate a little bit more on what you're seeing there specifically related to transportation costs and then also just on the hardwood side.
Any visibility as to when those costs might potentially start to offer some relief.
Yes, so we've not yet seen any relief I'll address that one first around hardwood we continue to see an increasing trend in there in the softwood is has taken a tumble and our hope was that we would see hardwood follow that that has not yet occurred. So we still have expectations that that's going to continue to run high.
With regards to transportation is really two different stories. There is important transportation related impacts and then theres domestic transportation related impacts on the import side certainly you have seen all of the issues that played out in Asia. That's created various challenges with getting product to the U S. It's resulted in container rates that are four or five.
Six times historical norm, so getting the product here is more expensive than normal then you get it to the port you deal with congestion delays there, sometimes you have to expedite and youre challenged with getting domestic freight carriers to haul it for you and you'll see a price increase there as well on the domestic transportation side similar to the challenges we have in many in.
<unk> have around labor transportation is also struggling on the labor side, so they're running short hand, it and as a result, we're seeing rate increases for final mile delivery as well as any inter plant shipments that we coordinated ourselves.
Okay, Thanks for that and best of luck.
Thank you.
Okay.
Our next question comes from Collyn burn with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thank you for taking my questions.
Just curious on the sales expectations for the full year you guys.
How much of that is going to be from pricing versus I guess volume growth and then any color if you're seeing any large there are you expecting any large variances by.
Customer.
And maybe take the last part first I wouldn't say that I'm seeing the large variances by customers I think about our performance forward I don't see any variation necessarily by channel I expect all of our channels to continue to perform strong deliver growth as we push forward as my prepared remarks indicated even if you were to see a small step back.
Perhaps in a channel or a customer we've got plenty of backlog to continue to drive that through our platform and continue to deliver a good robust growth rate on breaking out pricing precisely I don't want to get to that level of granularity, but certainly have given you a lens around $3 million this quarter $25 million a quarter in the back half certainly we have.
Expectation for delivering incremental pricing with the announcements that will push out tomorrow. So price in the end will be meaningful on a full year basis for the business.
Alright, thanks for the color and then.
Just in terms of what's baked into that sales guidance.
From the labor material shortage perspective are you baking in any relief as we move through the rest of the year or are you kind of expecting things to continue as it is right now.
Yes, it's a great question, so around the labor side and capacity, let me take a couple of minutes to maybe share a few remarks, there because that is one of the biggest challenges that we are modeling and an improvement in our output across our platforms. As we think about our labor environment and your retention is what comes front and center in our.
Our current reality today is that the economic environment continues to create challenges not only in our business, but all of manufacturing many end of industries around labor availability as well as the attraction of attention we.
We do have some optimism. However, there was stimulus payments ending here at the beginning of next week that perhaps that becomes a tailwind for employment as opposed to a headwind.
We're seeing on our platform of course, increasing demand.
Which creates challenges on the workforce, we're seeing material availability challenges with that all yield yield over time right. So we wind up putting more over time on our our teammates which results in lower <unk>.
Job satisfaction, so with all that said what are we doing to try to impact that how can we make change to drive increased employment levels, and thus higher output levels well, we've looked at hourly bonus plans and making modifications there we've modified our wage plans and then signing bonuses retention plans attendance.
Plans for referral plans you name. It we have deployed we continue to use and modify and.
And sometimes those are different depending on location what our issues are we're also looking at evaluating and expediting new plant schedules and maybe even shifts. So as an example, our made to order business. We've never really run a 410 model because we're so integrated we are testing and exploring that in some of our areas. We have it in a couple of smaller sales in one of our plants.
That might be an option that makes us more attractive versus competition.
Also looking at other work schedules.
Schedules for semi retired parents, which al khair challenges et cetera.
Early on are we seeing any benefits from that I guess, the two things that point to US is although U S. Manufacturing turnover data has remained high right. You look at that data is still very high it does seem to be leveling off so it doesn't seem to be increasing its maintaining so I'll take that as a positive at this point and then secondly on our business. We are starting to see a reduction in new hires.
Tradition in the first 60 days, so that hiring of our labor teammates within the first 60 days as one of our most critical timeframes and we've seen a reduction in attrition in that group as of late so that's I know that's a long answer to your question, but it's a meaningful one and yes, we are modeling an improvement in our labor.
<unk> levels and an improvement in production.
Okay.
Great I appreciate you taking my questions.
The next question is from Julio Romero of Sidoti <unk> Company. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, Scott and Paul Hey, Good morning.
So you mentioned you expect your new cloud based ERP to go live in February of 22 can you speak to the benefits expected both from a financial standpoint, as well as from a strategic standpoint.
Yes, great.
Great question. So the first wave of this just to remind everybody to its are financed in our procurement. It is a multi wave the journey.
<unk> that we have to get the company to really be one operating company and fully integrated.
The benefits that we see kind of in the first wave is really a consolidation of our platforms and looking at the expectations there'll be some synergies that we will leverage between the two platforms, mainly on the G&A side of things and then looking at our procurement side to enhancing and really evaluating our overall performance between those two purchasing powers of the two halves of the legacy.
Rsi business in the legacy Woodmac businesses now as far as giving you an exact range of those benefits, we haven't given that guidance out there yet there is significant synergies and savings that we will achieve as the overall ERP. When it is fully done through our final wave of the the scenarios, but our first wave will implement will be some moderate.
Savings out there.
Understood and then just.
I took a look at your most recent slide deck on your website, which lays out some of your 2025 vision in greater detail.
One of the pillars. There I guess is customer experience can you speak to what strategies, you're using you're looking to utilize to create a competitive advantage there.
Absolutely and customer experience is not a new differentiator for us I know <unk> characterized as an enabler as part of this strategy communication back in May and then also what's on the investor relation Jack deck, but it's been a core part of the last three vision cycles. We've had in the company, but what does it mean right ultimately, it's a differentiator that we want to use to be able to exceed our.
Customer expectations.
Like packaging right how robust in effect it is our packaging and protecting the product to make it to the job site or the consumer home.
Damages right. So not only is the packaging robust, but when you open. The package is there is a cabinet damaged right and does that create an issue for you again at either remodel or new construction job site on being able to address that things like star ratings, certainly with our retail partners star ratings are important and what can we do to continue to manage and.
Increase in improved star ratings for our product specifically and then finally I guess I'd hit response times and lead times. So how quickly can we fulfill orders and get product two year job site or again to your home for a model standpoint, those are going to be really critical and we think those are things that will allow us to keep gaining share in our current business lines as well as with.
For our pro customers.
Understood. Thanks for taking the questions.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
The next question comes from Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Maybe maybe to kind of start with the challenges.
The market still demand strong, but curious to hear if you think peers are having the same issue.
You just may be to the same degree and if there is any share shifts going on.
Yes, Im not sure theres been any meaningful share shift Stephen in the marketplace.
Would go to us as a way to indicate performance from the peer set would be lead times. So what are manufacturers communicating as lead times and the various channels. So certainly you can get exposure to that and our retail and dealer channels and distributor channels pretty effectively and we've seen really across the board elevation.
Isn't that lead times, so folks continue to bump out lead times, because they have similar challenges right. We hear things like labor challenges. It appears we hear about material issues as well as peer sets. So lead times have moved out pretty consistently across the board. We still believe we provide an advantage against most of those lead times and the markets that we.
<unk> and channels that we participate but I don't think there's been any meaningful share shift.
Okay, Great and then secondly wanted to think about backlogs by channel with demand strong in both channels.
Does that.
Does the greater backlogs point to greater strength in one channel or another.
And how does that mix impact margins and then secondly, with the price increases.
That are coming through well those have a bigger impact than maybe what you expected earlier in the year.
Kevin.
Higher backlogs would go through at least sold at the higher prices.
Yes, so land pack a couple of different questions. There. So certainly our pricing actions that we're taking and expect to realize a much more meaningful than what we'd model 100 days ago. When we were thinking about the fiscal year and that's been a function of the increased inflation. So we definitely done that specifically to your questions around backlog no.
Cereal differences I see it across channels, our customer backlog is elevated across the board, we see robust demand from all channels and customers. So really no no differentiation from that standpoint.
I think your next question was you were trying to indicate was that drive with backlog relief. If we prioritized one channel versus another or is it different based on perhaps pricing and margin.
Theoretically, yes, because there is a different margin profile.
Round each of the channels that we've got but we're managing to try to keep SaaS. We're trying to keep all of our customers are satisfied as we can across each of the channels. So if we've elevated lead times, we've had to do that across each of the end markets as we reduce backlog and we will do that and apply that across each of the markets because we want to maintain our customers.
Obviously back to the customer experience provide a positive customer experience for each of our accounts.
But we'll see we'll see strong backlog will be we'll be working to reduce the backlog and as we do that we'll realize the pricing now maybe the last point that was perhaps nuanced and there was.
Is there anything different around backlog and timing and our ability to recover pricing.
Kind of a completely different question.
Paul alluded to this a bit as we go through our more recent pricing actions, we're trying to work.
Aggressively with our customers and partners on how we can realize pricing faster right. So does it have to be.
Start to date in new construction as opposed to installing shifting Dewey.
Do we need to have.
Our robust notification period or can we shrink that notification periods. So that's where there's opportunities to recover the pricing faster and we're pursuing that and as a result, we'll be able to get some pricing on some of that backlog a little bit faster.
Excellent thanks for that color.
The next question comes from Josh Chan with Baird. Please go ahead.
Hi, Good morning, Scott and Paul Thanks for taking my questions.
Hey, good morning, Josh Hey, Josh Good morning.
I guess to start off with a clarifying question about sort of the full run rate of the price increases. So when you say $25 million per quarter does that comprise of something lower in Q3, and then with the higher number in Q4 or should we think of it as fairly even.
Kind of see what the back half.
Really even for the confirmed in the back half Josh.
Okay.
And then I guess.
When you talk about being able to drive margin improvement in Q4.
Does that require price exceed your raw material inflation, because I guess mathematically even if you match dollar for dollar you still have a margin percentage headwinds I guess I'm just wondering what youre assuming in Q4. When you say you can drive margin improvement year over year.
Yeah. So we obviously do want to get the incremental pricing that we spoke about it's not about getting pricing above and beyond what we've incurred as inflation. So the other factors that are going to be driving an improvement in margin for us would be specifically around productivity improvements so running our operations more effectively and it's it's.
Everything you can think of Josh it's it's going to be scrap reduction, it's going be overhead spending it's going to be labor efficiency rates et cetera. So it wouldn't be driving more productivity as we head into Q4, and we're gonna be at a higher sales rate as well. So as a result in my expectation is that we'll be able to leverage across our fixed cost with those higher sales okay.
Yeah that makes sense and then I guess.
Last one for me I know.
Know that you are guiding to the full year, but is there anything even qualitative you can give us in terms of how youre thinking about that the sequential margin improvement in in Q2, and whether it's going to be similarly challenged took you want or the degree of improvement that would be helpful. Thank you Josh.
I'm surprised it took five five.
First asked that question I expected. There you have had a very first round. So so you were the first one to bring it up so.
Let me frame it pretty specifically right and again these are models and forecast, but as we look at it.
We're expecting margin to improve sequentially 50.
<unk> 50 to 100 basis points each of the next two quarters. So we expect an improvement into Q2.
And a proven again into Q3, and then a more meaningful improvement as we move into Q4 and that will put us back into double digit low teen EBITDA margins.
That's great that's great color, Thanks, and good luck for the rest of your guys. Thanks. Thank you Jeff.
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Yeah.
The next question comes from Adam Baumgarten.
Gentlemen, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions just on that.
Strategy, you guys talked about about compressing the time it takes to raise pricing can you give us a sense for what you think the ultimate opportunity is it are we talking a matter of maybe a couple of weeks could it be a month plus maybe if everything goes right. How we should think about because I think the range of three to six months, depending on the product category, but what do you think the ultimate opportunity.
Is to shrink that going forward.
We're trying to take a couple of months out of that cycle. Okay. Okay. So it's meaningful.
Just next just on the Capex.
Lowered for the year is that just primarily a push out or is three and a half a good number to use going forward or some of that just trickling into fiscal 'twenty three.
Adam Good question. So really this is kind of a push out of projects. So literally due to capital products that we are evaluating suppliers that we're dealing with can't get materials to us quick enough they can't build.
Kind of our capital expenditures and we did shift out our ERP project to delay it one additional quarter Thats out there all of those kind of combined together that those costs will still be incurred as a business and we will evaluate it obviously, we do our next fiscal 'twenty three plan, but right now those are being viewed as a push out into the next fiscal year.
Got it thanks, and then just last one for me just on price I mean, you gave US <unk> you gave us <unk> <unk> any color on what how price should look in the second quarter, and maybe somewhere I'm thinking somewhere in between <unk> and <unk> levels, but any finer point on that would be helpful. Yes, you nailed it somewhere between the $28.0
Got it thank you.
In fact, they want to see that there is anyone else waiting to ask a question I would like to turn the line over to Jay Championship for any closing comments. Please go ahead Sir.
Since there are no additional questions. This concludes our call. Thank you all for taking time to participate.
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