Q3 2021 Stoneridge Inc Earnings Call
Good day and thank you for standing by welcome to the Stoneridge third quarter 2021 conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation. There will be a question and answer session to ask a question. During the session you will need to press star one on your telephone please.
Be advised that today's conference is being recorded if you require any assistance during the conference. Please press Star Zero I would now like to hand, the conference over to Kelly Harvey Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter results.
The release and accompanying presentation was filed with the ICC yesterday evening and it's posted on our website at Stoneridge Dot com in the investors section under webcast and presentations.
Joining me on today's call are John <unk>, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Matt Horvath, our newly appointed Chief Financial Officer.
Before we begin I need to inform you that certain statements today, maybe forward looking statements.
Forward looking statements include statements that are not historical in nature and include information concerning our future results or plans.
Although we believe that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions you should understand that these statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially.
Additional information about such factors and uncertainties that should cause actual results to differ may be found in our 10-Q, which has been filed with the securities and Exchange Commission under the heading forward looking statements.
During today's call. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please see the appendix for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure.
After John and Matt has finished their formal remarks, we will then open up the call to questions I would ask that you keep your question to a single follow up with that I will turn the call over to John.
Thanks Kelly.
Morning, everyone.
Turning to slide three.
Third quarter, we continued to navigate through supply chain related challenges.
This impacted material availability.
Schedules product mix labor availability and cost logistics and even our tax rate.
Our third quarter sales of $182 million, which.
It resulted in an adjusted gross margin of 22% translating to an adjusted operating loss of $6 $9 million.
Adjusted EPS for the quarter was negative 27 cents.
Our third quarter performance was significantly impacted by external headwinds, which in total unfavorably impacted adjusted EPS by approximately <unk> 25 cents in the quarter.
Our prior expectations as outlined on our second quarter call called for approximately breakeven adjusted EPS performance in the quarter.
I will provide a more detailed review on the performance drivers for our third quarter results later in the call.
During the quarter, we remained focused on offsetting the incremental supply chain related costs, we are incurring.
Total incremental costs exceeded $11 million in the quarter of which we were able to offset almost $5 million were 44%.
Despite incremental costs significantly increasing relative to the second quarter.
We were able to offset a large portion of our incremental costs, which positions us for an improved run rate going forward.
During the second during the quarter, we continued to make progress with our Meraki platform. As we are in the process of launching our first OEM program in Europe. Although we are early in the launch process. Our customers' forecasts are suggesting take rates for the system equal to or exceeding our quoted take rate at the time of award.
As we expected feedback on the system from end customers has been extremely favorable which was which is resulting in a forecasted incremental take rates.
In addition to progress with our OEM launches, we continued to initiate and expand our retrofit programs in the quarter.
Most notably we expanded our retrofit program with Schneider to approximately 200 trucks. In addition to Snyder, we expanded or initiated with four other north American fleets.
Our fleet trials create an awareness and a significant market for both retrofit opportunities in new vehicles as we launch our first OEM program in North America in early to mid 2022.
Back from the fleets continues to be positive and many see as critical technology to attract and retain drivers.
Finally, this morning, we are adjusting our full year guidance based on market conditions. It should be noted that our updated guidance excludes the divested sensor business, which has contributed $8 $6 million in revenue and four cents of EPS year to date.
Due to limited component availability, resulting in reduced production schedules.
We are reducing our full year revenue guidance to $740 million to $750 million.
We have considered both external sources, such as current IHS and <unk> forecasts as well as our current view of customer orders as the basis for our updated guidance.
Similarly, we are reducing our full year adjusted EPS guidance to a midpoint of negative 55 cents, Matt will provide additional detail on the drivers of our updated guidance later in the call.
Turning to page four during.
During the quarter, we announced the appointment of Matt Horvath as Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer effective August 31, replacing Bob Krakowiak, who resigned from the company to pursue other opportunities.
Since joining stoneridge five years ago that has played an integral role in shaping our transformation.
During his tenure he has been integral in developing and executing our long term strategic goals.
<unk>, a leading and award winning Investor Relations team and has supported refining the company's product portfolio and operations through multiple divestitures.
Madden has shown tremendous leadership across the organization and as robust knowledge of the business and its and his financial acumen will be critical as we further advance our strategy.
My deep understanding of our business is ability to advance our long term objectives and has close relationships with both our internal and external stakeholders.
<unk> can perfectly to be at a partner with me as our next CFO.
That will continue to execute on our strategic objectives with a focus on long term profitable growth, a strong balance sheet and efficient and effective deployment of our available capital to drive shareholder value.
Page five summarizes our key financial metrics relative to the prior quarter's results, excluding the divestiture central business in all periods. During the third quarter, we experienced production declines across our OEM end markets driving our weighted average end market decline of seven 4% relative to the second quarter.
This compares to our sales decline of five 6% quarter over quarter.
During the quarter, we continued to experience the unfavorable impacts of global supply chain disruptions, resulting in material shortages incremental material and logistics costs and labor volatility.
These factors contributed to adjusted gross margin and operating margin declines of 210, and 280 basis points, respectively relative to the second quarter.
Third quarter included net incremental supply chain related cost of approximately $6 $3 million, which was $2 $3 million higher than the second quarter.
Total gross costs for the quarter exceeded $11 million.
During the third quarter operating expenses were favorable compared to the second quarter, primarily due to a reduction of our annual incentive compensation program costs, partially offset by incremental engineering costs.
Primarily related to new program launches.
We continue to focus on managing engineering and SG&A costs in consideration of the current market conditions, while ensuring that we are structured to support critical program launches and drive future growth.
During the second quarter call, we outlined our expectations for the third quarter, which included revenue performance that exceeded the second quarter of $192 million and adjusted EPS that exceeded that was expected to be approximately breakeven.
Page six summarizes the third quarter drivers of adjusted earnings per share relative to those expectations.
As we discussed previously we experienced a significant reduction in revenue in the quarter relative to prior expectations, primarily driven by reduced production schedules, resulting from component shortages.
This resulted in 19 of headwind for the quarter.
Supply chain related costs, including incremental material labor and logistics costs.
Reduced third quarter performance by approximately 13 versus prior expectations, while other variable cost inefficiencies drove a one point headwind.
Offsetting these negative impacts were slightly favorable product mix as well as a reduction in our incentive based compensation programs to account for our current forecast and financial performance for the year.
Offsetting benefits were approximately eight tenths in the quarter, resulting in total external performance drivers negatively impacting our performance by 'twenty five.
In the quarter relative to our prior expectations.
During the quarter, we incurred higher engineering costs related to supporting the significant number of new program launches. We expect late this year and early next year, including our first two OEM.
Programs are first digital driver information system program, and our transmission actuation programs.
Incremental engineering costs were partially offset by reduced SG&A costs as we continue to carefully monitor spending and align our cost structure with current market conditions.
Turning to slide seven.
Total incremental supply chain related costs have continued to increase as we move through 2021, So has our ability to offset these incremental costs.
Supply chain disruptions have become more challenging as total cost for the quarter almost doubled from the second quarter, increasing to over $11 million. It should be noted that approximately $1 $2 million of that increase was related to incremental freight costs coming from more traditional shipping methods for example, ocean freight rather than the premium freight events that we have.
Because from prior quarters.
While premium freight costs are typically tied specifically to a single shipment or special material related issue. These freight related expenses are simply due to increased cost to ship goods globally.
We began incurring these costs, primarily this quarter and as such we have called them out specifically on the slide to provide some more comparable to previous quarters.
The actions, we have taken to offset these incremental costs are becoming more effective.
Overall, we were able to offset approximately 44% of incremental supply chain related costs in the quarter.
Excluding more recent costs related to traditional shipping methods, we're able to offset approximately 49% of the supply chain related costs, we incurred in the third quarter compared to 35% in the second quarter and 17% in the first quarter.
Based on current market conditions, we have updated our expectations for supply chain costs net of customer recoveries from approximately nine 1% to $10 3 million for the full year as of last quarter to almost double our $17 eight to $18 $8 million for the full year.
To date, we have already incurred $12 $5 million of net incremental costs.
Our expectations for the full year imply a range of $5 three to $6 3 million of net supply chain related costs in the fourth quarter. While we expect that total costs could continue to increase in the fourth quarter. We are also taking actions to offset more of the incremental costs as.
As such our guidance for the remainder of the year implies net supply chain related costs in the fourth quarter will be approximately similar to our favorable to the third quarter that will provide additional detail on our guidance specific to supply chain related costs later in the call.
Turning to slide eight.
I'd like to provide a more detailed update on the incremental supply chain costs are outright outlook for each cost category and some of the specific actions. We are taking with in each category that will drive an expanded ability to mitigate these incremental costs.
First the most significant costs, we have incurred are spot buys and incremental freight costs.
We've also made the most progress in offsetting these costs now and then and going forward.
As a result of material shortages, we have been forced to turn to the spot market to continue to procure materials.
Typically needs incremental cost per component as well as shorter than normal lead times on component procurement, which was also a premium freight required to obtain materials and ship finished goods to our customers.
We began requiring spot buys and.
And incurring these premium freight costs in the first quarter of this year in the second quarter, we began implementing more aggressive path through strategies by requiring our OEM customers to agree to pay for specific purchases or premium freight costs before we would incur the expense.
That strategy has resulted in a significant portion of the stock purchases and premium freight costs either to be avoided upfront or to be pass through to our customers directly.
In addition to the spot buy and premium freight events in the third quarter, we began to see significant increases in our traditional freight costs. These.
These costs represent across the board incremental expenses and are less tied to individual events.
In the quarter, we incurred approximately $1 $2 million related to these costs. We continue to work with both our suppliers and our customers to efficiently ship goods and pass through incremental costs.
The next category is related to material price increases from our traditional suppliers.
These are suppliers that are part of our normal supply chain, rather than one off purchases from the spot market.
We began to see broad increases in general material prices in the second quarter, including electronic components and commodities such as metals and lessons.
Because these costs are not specific to a single purchase of shipment. It takes more time to specifically allocate costs and then go back to customers to negotiate incremental pricing.
As such while these costs represented a smaller portion of total costs, we were not able to offset as much of these costs within the quarter in certain cases, we have taken actions to aggressively increase price aligned with current market conditions, we do not have long term contractual pricing with customers.
And the majority of cases, we remain in negotiations with our customers related to recovery of historical costs offsetting current costs and putting a process in place to mitigate future cost.
We are continuing negotiations around pricing actions, both in the short term and over the course of existing and future programs.
We expect that the benefits will be recognized in both short and long term in the forms of incremental price <unk>, the elimination or reduction of future contractual price downs.
Finally, the last court category of incremental expense is related to labor inefficiencies and overtime related to production volatility.
While these cost comprised a smaller portion of our overall incremental costs. These are also the costs that are less likely to be recovered from our external parties and require either structural changes will reduce volatility in the production environment to offset.
We continue to evaluate and take actions to right size the business for current market conditions, while maintaining our ability to retain our team serve our customers and drive future profitable growth.
We continue to monitor the global supply chain and the impact on our OEM customers to ensure we respond efficiently and effectively to any disruptions. We have implemented and will continue to implement actions to offset the incremental costs. We are experiencing today and expect to continue to incur in the next several quarters. We expect that these actions will have a continued positive impact on our.
Our overall financial performance going forward.
As it relates to current production volume expectations slide nine outlines the most recent IHS in the LLC information for our OEM end markets for the remainder of 2021 and 2022.
We experienced a significant and broad reduction at our end markets in the third quarter relative to prior expectations driving the volume headwind I outlined previously.
Similarly, although fourth quarter production was reduced relative to prior expectations IHS and <unk> are still forecasting an eight 2% growth in our weighted average end markets.
Our current current customer orders suggest that the level of growth forecasted is optimistic and we've adjusted our guidance to reflect those orders that will provide further details on our revenue guidance later in the call.
While the actions, we continue to take related to our cost structure and operating inefficiencies.
The actions, we continue to take related to our cost structure and operating efficiency. We are positioned to take advantage of a forecasted growth in the fourth quarter and next year.
Turning to page 10.
Despite the external challenges we experienced in the third quarter, we continued to build momentum in both our mirror OEM and retrofit end markets with significant announcements in both.
We are in the process of launching our first OEM program in Europe, which was originally awarded assuming a 17% take rate and peak annual revenue of approximately $13 million.
Initial feedback on the system from end customers has been extremely favorable as a result current customer orders suggest that take rates for the system are expected to meet or exceed the quota take rate.
We are working with our customers and suppliers to ensure that we are able to meet the higher than expected demand.
We expect to launch our first OEM program in North America in early to mid 2022, which was originally estimated to have 10% take rate, resulting in approximately $14 million of peak annual revenue.
We continue to focus on expanding our fleet trials in North America to drive adoption of the system as OEM programs become available.
As a result of our continued effort to expand those fleet trials during the quarter, we expanded our initiated retrofit programs with five north American fleets that represent more than 20000 total vehicles on the road.
We are proud to announce that we signed an agreement with the largest of those fleets and our longtime fleet partners Schneider to expand their installed truck base to 200 trucks. We believe that these expanded trials will drive broad system adoption as we launched our first OEM program in North America, and as we continued to expand retrofit availability in 2022.
Turning to page 11 in summary.
Third quarter was challenging as we continue to face the impact of global supply chain disruptions. However, we took decisive actions to continue to offset incremental costs.
I want to take a moment to recognize our hardworking employees around the world that have allowed us to continue to make progress as a company and to support our customers I want to personally thank them for their dedication to stoneridge during this challenging period.
We remain committed to delivering on our strategic priorities and continuously improving the business to drive strong financial performance and stable long term profitable growth as we prepare for significant growth in 2022 and beyond.
<unk>, we will continue to execute on the things that we can control and respond effectively and efficiently to a challenging environment.
We will maintain our focus on our long term strategy driving continuous improvement in refining our capabilities to deliver shareholder value.
That I will turn it over to Matt to discuss our financial results in more detail.
Thanks, John turning to page 13 sales in the third quarter, excluding divested product lines were approximately $179 million, which is a decrease of five 6% compared to the prior quarter, primarily due to reduced production schedules at our OEM customers offset by the ramp up of certain program launches.
Adjusted operating loss, excluding divested product lines was $7 4 million or negative four 1% of sales, which declined 280 basis points versus the prior quarter.
The reduction in margin performance during the third quarter is primarily due to supply chain related headwinds, which negatively impacted operating margin by an incremental $2 3 million.
Or approximately 140 basis points compared to the prior quarter.
As John discussed earlier on the call while continued supply chain disruptions had a significant impact on our third quarter performance. We continue to take actions that mitigated a larger portion of these incremental costs and positioned us to continue to offset these costs moving forward I will provide additional detail on segment performance and a brief discussion of our expectations for each segment for the remainder of 2021.
On the subsequent slides.
As John discussed earlier in the call. We are updating our full year guidance based on our view of current market conditions, our guidance excludes the divested sensor business, which has contributed $8 $6 million in revenue and <unk> <unk> of adjusted EPS year to date.
This morning, we are reducing our full year 2021, adjusted sales guidance to $740 to $750 million and adjusted EPS guidance to a midpoint of negative <unk> 55.
I will discuss the drivers of our current guidance in more detail later in the call.
Page 14 summarizes our key financial metrics specific to control devices control devices third quarter adjusted sales, excluding the divested so sensor business, where approximately $85 million, which is approximately flat relative to the prior quarter revenue performance was driven by supply chain related production downtime, which offset incremental revenue.
To program launches, including New park by wire actuation programs.
Adjusted operating income excluding the divested business was $3 million for the quarter were three 5% of adjusted sales.
Adjusted operating margin decreased by approximately 350 basis points relative to the second quarter, primarily due to material and expediting cost headwinds as a result of continued supply chain issues.
This impacted the quarter by $2 $8 million or 330 basis points compared to $1 3 million or 160 basis points during the second quarter.
We continue to expect a challenging macroeconomic environment as global supply chain issues continue to impact the business. We are continuing negotiations with our suppliers and customers to offset incremental costs as we focus on leveraging our existing cost structure to expand margin with revenue growth. Despite these.
These headwinds control devices remains well positioned to take advantage of future growth and drive margin expansion.
Page 15 summarizes our key financial metrics specific to electronics.
Electronics third quarter sales were approximately $84 million a decrease of 13, 8% versus the second quarter. This was primarily due to OEM production shutdowns in our commercial vehicle end markets as well as traditional seasonality due to European third quarter vacations.
Adjusted operating margin decreased by approximately 420 basis points relative to the second quarter, primarily due to external factors relating to continued supply chain challenges, including unfavorable fixed cost leverage as a result of lower sales and material and expediting cost headwinds.
Total incremental supply chain costs for the third quarter were $2 8 million or 330 basis points compared to $2 4 million or 250 basis points. During the second quarter. In addition, we incurred incremental engineering cost to support new program launches.
We continue to expect production volatility for the remainder of 2021 as global supply chain disruptions continue to interrupt commercial vehicle OEM production schedules.
We continue to work with our customers and suppliers to offset the financial impact of externalities, where possible in the fourth quarter, we expect engineering cost to remain relatively consistent with the third quarter driven by continued support for program launches, both now and in the future.
Page 16 summarizes our key financial metrics specific to stoneridge, Brazil, excluding the favorable foreign exchange rate impact of $200000 Stoneridge, Brazil third quarter sales increased by $1 4 million.
Or approximately 9% relative to the second quarter of 2021, primarily due to higher demand in OEM product lines adjusted.
Operating margin remained relatively flat to the prior quarter, primarily due to higher incremental supply chain costs offset by fixed cost leverage on higher sales.
Although our third quarter performance third quarter financial performance was strong macroeconomic conditions in Brazil remain challenging and we expect volatility in Brazil for the remainder of 2021, we will continue to utilize our local engineering resources to support our global electronics business and remain focused on the ramp up of local OEM business to drive growth for the segment.
Page 17 summarizes the key drivers of expected fourth quarter performance relative to the third quarter based on our updated full year adjusted earnings per share guidance. As a reminder, our guidance excludes the divested sensor business as discussed previously third quarter EPS, excluding the divested product lines was negative 28.
Yeah.
As John discussed earlier on the call, although fourth quarter production was reduced relative to prior expectations IHS and <unk> are forecasting an eight 2% growth in our weighted average end markets from the third to fourth quarter. However, our current customer orders suggest that this is optimistic and we've adjusted our guidance accordingly.
Based on our current view of customer production schedules and our pricing actions, we are expecting incremental revenue, resulting in adjusted EPS of 7% to 17 in.
In the fourth quarter relative to the third.
Our full year guidance implies revenue of approximately $182 million to $192 million in the fourth quarter, excluding revenue related to our divested product lines year to date revenue related to the <unk> product line is $8 $6 million, we do not expect significant earnings related to the <unk> business in the fourth quarter.
As discussed in detail earlier in the call. We are expecting continued supply chain headwinds for the remainder of the year, Although we expect higher total cost relative to the third quarter, we expect that our ability to offset incremental costs will continue to progress through the end of the year. As a result, we expect net supply chain headwinds in the fourth quarter to be.
<unk> consistent or even slightly favorable for the impact on the third quarter.
We expect that more stable production conditions in the fourth quarter will result in incremental operating efficiencies of two to three relative to the third quarter.
Due primarily to the reduction in incentive based compensation recorded in the third quarter and typical seasonality in our SG&A expenses, we expect the fourth quarter SG&A will result in a 7% to nine point headwind relative to the third quarter. The majority of this increase does not reflect incremental spending, but rather as a comparison to lower than expected costs in the third quarter.
Primarily due to the reduction in the incentive compensation programs.
We will continue to monitor and adjust our cost structure to reflect current market conditions.
We expect to continue our planned investments in engineering resources to support product development and future program launches in the fourth quarter, resulting in engineering costs that we expect to be consistent with the third quarter.
Overall, we expect operating performance to improve from the third and fourth quarter.
Due to the significant decline in production volumes and resulting change in jurisdictional mix. We expect our full year 2021, adjusted tax benefit of approximately $1 million as we continue to experience an unusual shifts in the makeup of our earnings and expenses.
We expect that our tax rate will return to a more normalized level as supply chains normalize going forward.
As a result of these primarily external factors, we are reducing our full year adjusted EPS guidance to a midpoint of negative <unk> 55.
Turning to page 18, net debt increased by $6 $7 million in the third quarter, resulting in net debt of $81 6 million or two two times trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA.
We have approximately $265 million of Undrawn commitments under our U S revolving credit facility, which resulted in approximately $320 million of cash on hand, and undrawn commitments as of quarter end, we will continue to carefully monitor and manage our cash position.
To the second quarter of 2020, if our forecast of financial performance requires a modification to our existing credit facility. We will seek an amendment to ensure we remain in compliance with the terms and conditions of our existing credit facility stoneridge.
<unk> remains well positioned with significant available capital.
Moving to slide 19, we will continue to do everything within our power to offset the incremental costs. We are experiencing primarily as a result of external factors and position ourselves to take advantage of forecasted strong production in 2022, we remain focused on driving margin expansion through cost mitigation actions efficient operations and careful management.
Of our cost structure stoneridge is committed to driving shareholder value and that focus remains at the forefront of all of our strategic initiatives with that I will open up the call for questions.
As a reminder to ask a question you will need to press star one on your telephone to withdraw your question press the pound key please standby, while we compile the Q&A roster.
Our first question comes from the line of Justin Long with Stephens. Your line is open.
Thanks, and good morning.
Good morning, Jeff.
I wanted to start with the supply chain cost mitigation efforts that you outlined it looks like that percentage increased going from the second quarter to the third quarter.
Can you help us think about how you expect that percentage to trend as we move into the first half of next year, just assuming the gross cost stay flat with where they are today.
So Justin Thanks for the question.
What you can see in the trends that we showed first quarter second quarter third quarter that the team has worked very hard.
One to mitigate the cost but to to work with our customers and our supply chain to avoid the cost tend to get recoveries in areas like getting the customers to pay for spot buy is getting the customers to pay for premium freight and then the ongoing things that we've talked about which is dealing with.
Longer term inflationary activities like commodity increases materials and resins.
Other electronic component increases where were having to go back to customers and having longer term negotiations. We have long term contracts, we are respectful of our customers.
Those contracts, but we also have to.
Deal with the inflationary items that are out there. So we expect this to continue and approve it will take time, it's not immediate but we expect those percentages to continue to increase quarter over quarter.
Okay helpful and I just wanted to take a step back for a minute.
Second question, you've always talked historically about the business eventually getting to a mid teens EBITDA margin over the longer term did the disruptions that we've seen over the last two years with the pandemic and the supply chain issues Foreseeing right now does that change the way you think of that opportune.
I know the timeline clearly needs to be something that you put under review and you may speak to next year, but just from a structural perspective can you still get to mid teens margins at some point.
Yes, I think just in the overall vision for the company remains the same.
What we have said to investors, we still believe in.
You bet, you've followed us for very long time, and so you understand that.
<unk> 2019, 2020, we're always going to be challenging years, even before the pandemic as we were continuing as we are launching new products and we are and we are transforming the way in which we built stuff and what we did.
Covid plus the chip prices and the overall supply chain crisis has certainly delayed that has caused delays in some of our actions is caused distraction of our engineering organization and our total organization to support our customers has caused some customers to delay some of the things that they're doing because they've got they've got to keep their plants running so yes of course.
Tended the timeline, but we feel very confident in.
And that the transformation plan that we laid out and we laid out with our investors for a long time is still the right plan and it's why we continue to talk about.
Driving the same long term strategy, it's why the continuity in leadership and even even the continuity and the financial leadership with some important to somebody that understands what we're trying to do and how we get to the next levels, but yes, it is going to take longer.
Understood I'll leave it there I appreciate the time.
Thanks, Frank Justin Thanks, Justin.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott <unk> with C. L. King Your line is open.
Morning, guys and congrats Matt Scott.
On the move.
Talking about the price increases very helpful that you broke out the three different buckets, but I guess, the second bucket, which seems the most problematic and most difficult to obtain from a price increase standpoint.
It sounds as if it's going to be very difficult I guess to receive all of the relief that you probably need at least in the near term do you have any other levers that you can use.
On the back end, whether it's negotiating lower price give backs or.
Higher take rates on products that you already have in the pipeline is there any way that you can.
We get closer to getting everything that you need one way or the other.
So Scott. This is this is one of the things when we talk about the entire organization.
I think that everybody on the phone they should understand this isn't a total organizational effort.
It's not just on our operations and our procurement teams and our engineering teams, but it's also on the commercial teams as we are.
And the entire company as we are trying to find ways to offset this so of course, it's we also have contracts and we respect our commitments and we try to live up to our commitments.
So in those situations, where long term relationships that we built with customers going back and we're having honest conversations we're being as transparent as possible with them to say here are the inflationary things that we're facing and here is the pain that we're facing.
And.
We're working with those customers.
Two to offset those both in price increases and recovery of spot buys but also as you said.
Situations offset of future price downs or increases price increases on future programs and we've had.
The vast majority of our customers, who have stepped up and partnered with us.
There's a lot of work to do.
Our team is working very hard on that.
Can tell you that we're that we're pulling every level possible, both with our customers and our supply base.
And our supplier partners, who work with us in this way versus once we don't well remember that overtime and Scott I would add to that.
You look at the progression of the costs that we've offset.
Feel very comfortable and the actions we've taken on the premium freight and spot buys in the amount of cost we've been able to offset relates to that bucket of costs.
Like you suggested it's more challenging to recover the material price increases through those customer negotiations in the short term, but that is the opportunity to continue this progression of offset or incremental costs as we move through this year and certainly into next year through the various things that John mentioned, so I think that's what we will expect to see the greatest improvement in material cost offset.
As we move into the next several quarters.
Got it very helpful and are the increased rollout of retrofits for mirror could you maybe talk about whats traditional retrofit versus.
What is pre wire or are they two separate things.
Which order.
Each will come.
So.
Scott Thanks for the question.
We're seeing both we're seeing expansion in both traditional retrofit.
Where it's not through a pre wire order as well as pre wired and in some situations, where the fleets that have the opportunity to order pre wire trucks. One other thing as we think about retrofit penetration as the disruptions in the supply chain and then therefore, the disruptions and truck production is actually limited the ability.
Fleets that wanted.
To go with mirror to get pre wired trucks.
Thats something thats relatively.
Understated or may be missed and this is a constraint with regard to trucks has an impact on our retrofit penetration and what we're seeing from fleets because of the safety benefits and as we've talked about the driver retention benefits that they're seeing more and more every day.
We have fleets that.
Are not waiting to get pre wired trucks that are asking us to retrofit existing trucks. So it's both.
Got it and then last question Big picture on Brazil.
Kind of.
Below the radar here, a little bit but.
Yes.
It remains profitable.
I know that part of the.
The whole idea of being here is to support your OEM launches could you give us an indication of.
However, so going in.
Profitability expectations as we go forward.
Yes so.
As you said, it's under the radar, it's one of my personal sources of pride for the transformation.
Business has gone through and what the team down in Brazil has led.
The <unk>.
That is an economy that go through it seems like there's always a crisis always a crisis era and they found a way to continue to make money and to continue to grow.
Whatever crisis is happening in Brazil, and so the numbers that you see on the slide would tell you.
Through their dealing with the chip prices as well and theyre dealing with inflationary pressures and they have found a way to to continue to perform they are a very important part portion of our OE product development from electronic standpoint, more and more aligned with the SRA business every day.
And also then launching OE programs, both in tachograph, and an instrument cluster and connectivity modules again for SRT products with our commercial vehicle commercial vehicle customers. So the transformation of that of that business from what it was which was an aftermarket DTC business to very much aligned with what we do.
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The alignment of the engineering organization to support our global engineering activities and to support our customers globally. All three of those are happening and the financial performance as is coming and we expect to see is as the growth comes at the financial performance will continue to grow there both topline and bottomline.
Great. That's all I have thanks, guys.
Thanks Scott.
As a reminder to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Gary <unk> with Barrington Research. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Good morning, Gary.
I hear you right that.
Youre basically looking at the IHS and <unk> projections for Q4 and saying.
You don't really have a lot of faith in that in your you are.
Projecting a market environment that is worse than they are projecting.
So.
What does that portend for 2022 versus with your thinking versus where they are.
Yes, thanks for the question Gary.
We have tried to be as specific as we can in the guidance that we're assuming for the remainder of the year that both includes what IHS known C are forecasting more broadly and then more specifically the orders that we're seeing from customers in our production.
So as Youll see.
While we continue to expect to outperform the market over the long term we have haircut.
The IHS information that's included in our guidance.
When we looked at 2022.
Obviously strong production tailwind that's forecast of IHS in LNG, and we would expect to take advantage of that tailwind I think given the volatility in the market conditions. It's just too early to say what exactly that will be.
But we expect to outperform the market over the long term and we want to be very specific in our expectations for guidance for the remainder of the year given the volatility we see in the short term.
Okay.
As you talk to your your end market clients.
What are they saying in terms of when they think.
This will turn in.
Dart, reflecting a more positive environment for their production schedules.
Gary each of our each of our clients.
Have a little different point of view and our suppliers electronic suppliers have a different point of view, what we see right now I think.
I would emphasize it by saying.
We see it as.
If you if you would look at three sides of a trough getting worse leveling out or getting better.
We see it at.
At least in the leveling off.
And we see.
Some indications of getting better.
We don't see it getting worse.
On the last on the last call and in the last two calls when we've talked about this you've said.
We've said, what others are saying hey, they called the bottom and we said we don't see it yet at this point, we're seeing it flat.
And we see some areas of improvement yes, there are still inflationary pressures. The freight example that we talked about where that comes up.
As a surprise within the quarter, but right now as we see the availability of components, which will then drive production output bolt on commercial vehicles in past.
Passenger cars.
And how that drives our sales we see that at least at flat, if not getting better and but it's too soon to call. It's too soon to absolutely call. It is just getting better but we do see certainly indications that it's going that way, yes, Gary I would add to that even stability, even stably bad is good.
Right. If you look at the quarter that we outlined some things in the third quarter that will result of inefficiencies related to volatility and some opportunity we saw to take advantage of stability going from the third to fourth quarter in our implied guidance.
Well, we're starting to see some improvement even stability is improvement and I think that's also important to think about as we go from third to fourth quarter.
Thank you.
Thanks, Karen.
And our next question comes from Justin Long with Stephens. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking the follow up John I wanted to follow up on that last question and the comment you made about seeing some areas.
Improvement could you expand a little bit more on that where are you seeing it in light auto and in commercial vehicle certain region, but I'd love to just get a little bit more color there.
Yes, so what I would say Justin.
And that is its what im seeing from.
Are the sources of chip supply.
One thing that gets lost in all of this is the amount of time that the leadership team of Stoneridge is spending with our customers and with the chip suppliers managing this crisis on a daily basis.
And the difference that we're seeing today is as the pipeline starts to refill and what do we do to stabilize and what do we do to improve versus.
Even as recently as a month or six weeks ago, where we would have <unk>, where the suppliers would have said, we're going to we're going to send you. This bunch per week and then they would say all we can't do that so I'm sure you've read about the stabilization in some of the things with regard to the chip supply issues in Malaysia, and Vietnam and Thailand.
Now, we're seeing that pipeline start to fill and stabilize and as Matt said, if we have.
Stable ability to plan that allows us to plan our plan our labor that allows us to plan our plants and allows us to drive a lot more efficiencies that.
And then we just don't have the crisis in the engineering organization and the overall operations organization can plan and run that's where we're seeing it right now so it's going to impact both pass car and commercial vehicle. It's most acute in the conversations that I'm in with the commercial vehicle side, but the feedback that we're getting and we're hearing it is more on the chip supply side.
Yeah.
Okay. That's helpful. And then last question for me is on the timing of program launches as we get into 2022 has anything changed on that front just given the volatility in the market and maybe you could just help remind us of that major program launches, we should be mindful of as we get into next year.
Yes, as I said, thanks for the question Justin as I said earlier.
Engineering organizations, both within stoneridge and within the customers have been absolutely.
Heads down on trying to find alternative chips.
Keeping lines running.
There has been some small six weeks here at weeks there delays in programs, we haven't lost any programs, but there have been delays in launches.
That.
Is understandable given.
Given the impediments to travel as well as the chip prices.
But so the program that we haven't launching in Europe right. Now is the first OEM program with regard to mirror. The driver information system launch was in Q really ramped up in Q2 and is in full blown ramp up right. Now that's our that was the largest driver information system program and it is critical to stoneridge.
So that's in the midst of launch right now the North American <unk> launch as a Q1 Q2 2022 that was delayed by a few.
Weeks to months, but it's happening and it's part of May.
A major truck launch and we're excited about that and then we have.
And control devices, we have transmission actuator and park lock actuator launches, both in North America, and in China with critical electric and hybrid vehicle programs.
That I'm sure you've read about.
That are happening right now and continue to rollout so there.
There are a ton of launches on both sides of the organization that yes, there have been some headwinds from timing, but we're really excited about where we're going with those launches.
Okay, Great. That's really helpful. Thanks, again for the time today.
Thanks, Jeff Thanks, Justin.
I am showing no further questions at this time I would now like to turn the conference back to John <unk>.
Yes, Thank you and thank you all for your participation in today's call.
Just to close I want to assure you that our company is committed to continuing to drive shareholder value through strong operating results profitable new business and focused deployment of our available resources. This management team will respond efficiently and effectively to manage and control the variables that we can impact and continue to drive strong financial performance.
Confident that our actions will result in continued success for 2021 and beyond and we look forward to talking in the next quarters call.
Okay.
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.
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