Q3 2021 Axalta Coating Systems Ltd Earnings Call
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by welcome to Exalt is third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation by management today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available.
November 2nd.
Those listening after today's call should please note that the information provided in the recording will not be updated and therefore may no longer be Curt I will now turn the call over to Mr. Chris Macquarie. Please go ahead, Sir you may begin.
Thank you and good morning. This is Chris Mcrae VP of Investor Relations and Treasury. We appreciate your continued interest in exalt and welcome you to our third quarter 2021 financial results Conference call. Joining me today are Robert Bryant, CEO, and Sean Lannon CFO yesterday afternoon, we released our quarterly financial results.
A slide presentation, along with commentary.
Relations section of our website at adult the dot com, which we'll be referencing during this call. Both our prepared remarks and discussion today may contain forward looking statements, reflecting the company's current view of future events and their potential effects on exalt is operating and financial performance. These statements involve uncertainties and risks and actual results may differ materially from those forward looking statements.
Please note that the company is under no obligation to provide updates to these forward looking statements. This presentation also contains various non-GAAP financial measures in the appendix. We've included reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures most directly comparable GAAP financial measures for additional information regarding forward looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our filings with the SEC.
I'll now turn the call over to Robert.
Good morning, everyone I'd like to welcome you to our third quarter earnings call.
Our third quarter profit highlighted exalt is excellent execution against the challenging macroeconomic supply chain and cost environment.
Our earnings exceeded not only our pre announcement in September but also our original third quarter guidance provided in July.
I would like to thank all exalts employees for their exceptional efforts in the third quarter.
But I, especially want to recognize and thank our manufacturing supply chain and procurement teams for their Turkey. We in efforts to serve our customers in a very difficult environment and to enable the results we achieved.
Drivers of the performance in the quarter included continued broad based demand recovery within performance coatings as well as solid ongoing pricing traction and continued cost discipline across all businesses.
These helped to offset persistent raw material inflation and supply chain constraints with mobility coating facing unprecedented customer production impacts principally from semiconductor chip shortages, which continued through the quarter.
<unk> also reported ongoing strong year over year sales growth of 6% compared to the COVID-19 impacted prior year quarter.
Driven by growth in all end markets other than light vehicle, which was notably impacted by ongoing customer production constraints.
Reported growth included a 4.5% positive mix contribution and a 1.8% M&A contribution offset by a one 6% decrease in volume.
Volume was positive in refinish, industrial and commercial vehicle and price mix was positive in all four end markets.
Our price capture this cost inflation cycle has been faster than the previous 2017, 2018 cycle and we expect to fully offset current cost inflation by early 2022 on a run rate basis.
Refinish demonstrated continued recovery for 2020 pandemic impacts with total net sales up 10, 4% year over year and also up slightly versus the third quarter 2019.
Refinish underlying demand remained essentially stable sequentially second quarter with modest ongoing recovery from some regions linked to economic and pandemic recovery.
Refinish volumes remain below 2019 levels by mid single digits, which remains very encouraging leaving further room for net sales recovery as we continue to expect mobility patterns to largely returned to more normal levels over time.
Industrial net sales increased an impressive 19.5% over a strong prior year quarter, including approximately 4% acquisition contribution which was also a double digit rate of improvement from the second quarter of 2019, given ongoing global demand strength.
Mobility coatings net sales declined 10, 1% in the third quarter, and specifically 14, 8% in the light vehicle end market as the segment and end market remains constrained by ongoing semiconductor chip shortage for OEM customers.
Commercial vehicle net sales increased a solid 9%, even including some customer supply constraint impacts.
These impacts were greater in the third quarter and net sales terms as well as build impacts with no easing in the supply chain during the period, which was markedly different than the expected improvement that market forecasters had called for July.
Third quarter, adjusted EBIT was $146 million versus $210 million in the same quarter of last year, which was a record quarterly profit given notable cost measures. We had put in during the height of the Covid pandemic in 2020.
Adjusted EBIT for the third quarter included the impact of significantly higher variable cost inflation of approximately 21%.
And impact in net sales of approximately $70 million in mobility due to customer supply chain shortages and headwinds from the absence of about half of the temporary third quarter 2020 cost savings of approximately $50 million. We had quoted for the total company.
Third quarter demand conditions at the end consumer level across our coatings markets remained fairly robust reefer.
Refinish witnessed ongoing improvement in mobility metrics across various countries, where COVID-19 related restrictions have eased in the spring.
Also supported by incremental vaccinations globally.
Refinish net sales dip sequentially as expected due to seasonal buying patterns from distribution customers, but exalt is global body shop activity remains steady and showed signs of firming across most regions.
<unk> also made net body shop, and net stock point gains during the quarter in all geographies as our industry, leading waterborne and solvent borne technologies continued to take share.
We were pleased to close the acquisition of you poll in mid September and are now engaged in the initial integration stops which are all progressing well.
We're extremely pleased with the transaction and fully expect to generate the planned returns which are primarily generated from a combination of initial highly visible cost synergies and then more materially the business growth that we expect to leverage in part by taking advantage of the combined company's strengths a classical global refinish markets.
As we previously noted we anticipate annualized net sales of approximately $145 million and adjusted EBITDA contribution of approximately $38 million in 2021 before initial cost synergies of about $10 million, which we expect to be realized over the next 18 months.
Industrial end market demand remained strong globally across virtually all businesses and geographies.
The business saw excellent organic growth and benefited from strategic account wins supported by new product introductions as well as the benefits of the new industrial organizational structure implemented earlier this year.
Topline contribution was strongest in North America, followed by EMEA with solid growth witnessed in both building products, including luxury vinyl flooring and general industrial, including the agriculture and construction equipment product lines.
Net sales growth would have been even stronger absent the effects of supply chain constraints, which were most notable in intermediate inputs to our powder building products and coil product lines compounded by logistics challenges.
Light vehicle demand was clearly hampered by curtailed OEM production rates due to the ongoing semiconductor chip and other supply chain shortages.
Forecast of global vehicle production during the third quarter continued to be cut and we now assume around 11 million vehicles removed from global production for the full year.
Consistent with our updated guidance issued in September and at the higher end of the current industry forecast consensus range of 10 million to $11 5 million units.
S shutdowns impact nearly all Oems globally.
Our forecasts essentially assumes little improvement in the supply shortage as seen through year end and are expected to continue through at least part of 2022.
Despite this backdrop, we've won significant new business through the end of September that we expect to begin to ramp up during 2022.
Our mobility team has done a terrific job, winning new business with our advantaged technologies service and advanced state of tools.
Commercial vehicle demand remained solid in the third quarter.
Fly shortages have also impacted this end market to a degree.
We've seen notable demand strength in North America, where truck orders have remained firm since last year and customer backlog support production rates near record highs over the coming months.
It's also continues to reinforce its position as the market leader with new customer business commitments, including those in our non truck segments, such as recreational vehicles and sporting equipment.
Our order books continue to grow and exalt is benefiting from new business awards that will fuel growth in the diversified commercial vehicle end market.
During the third quarter, we saw substantial variable cost inflation coming from most raw material categories as well as energy packaging freight and logistics.
These cost pressures deepened during the quarter and exalt has increased its full year assumption of inflation headwinds versus our July guidance now assumes mid teens growth for the full year and nearly 20% for the fourth quarter.
We're working hard as a team to offset this inflation.
To be a combination of incremental pricing actions as well as continuing to focus on cost and productivity actions.
With regard to pricing.
<unk> also has continued to implement increases across all our businesses since last quarter, which were necessary to offset persistent inflation that we've seen since 2020.
Looking forward, we expect to take further actions to counter ongoing broad based inflation expected to continue into 2022.
Exalt is also focused on continuing to implement structural cost and productivity measures.
We continue to benefit somewhat from the temporary COVID-19 related cost savings that we have continued this year with around half of those savings persisting in 2021.
In addition to the ramping of structural savings from actions announced over the last year.
As part of our continuous focus on sustainability, we made ongoing progress on our ESG programs during the third quarter.
And supportive environmental priorities, we broke ground on a new facility in China, which will help support the increasing demand for environmentally friendly waterborne mobility coatings.
We also showcased our coding solutions for electric vehicle batteries and motors at the Novae battery show in September.
Finally, we're wrapping up our goal setting for ESG metrics and look forward to sharing more on this topic in early 2022.
I'll now turn the call over to Sean for some additional comments.
Thanks, Robert and good morning.
Third quarter saw continued strong execution by exhaust this global team was supported demand conditions, but clear challenges from inflation and customer production constraints. Despite those challenges we were able to exceed our guidance construct for profitability. Originally set back in July overcoming headwinds, particularly late in the quarter to deliver on our top.
And bottom line results.
Third quarter net sales of $1 1 billion represented a 6% year over year increase and 3% growth on an organic and constant currency basis, including a 10% increase from performance coatings and a 12% decrease from mobility coatings within mobility light vehicle net sales declined 17%.
Partly offset by a solid 8% growth result from commercial vehicle.
These results were driven by recovery from the prior year pandemic impacted period.
Refinish demand remained firm in the period showing continued recovery in most regions served their volumes were slightly lower sequentially as expected due to anticipated seasonal order patterns.
Exalt is industrial end markets. All notable continued strength as all end businesses showed solid top line growth both year over year and versus 2019.
Automotive demand at the retail sales level was also solid and even strong when adjusted for limited inventory on hands, they're not translating to increased volumes and exalt is light vehicle end market due to the ongoing global semiconductor chip and other supply chain shortages that continued to impact production for global auto Oems.
Commercial vehicle demand, particularly in North America truck markets as well as recreational vehicles also remain supportive of current production rates.
The volume decline of one 6% for the quarter was driven by the significant pullback in light vehicle, but was almost completely offset by solid increases from the other three businesses.
Price mix contribution was solidly positive up four 5% in the aggregate driven by improvement in both segments and all four end markets, so much stronger than performance coatings versus mobility coatings.
Mix was overall, a modest headwind, which was notable switch from second quarter were mixed Hal wins were significant when compared to the prior year pandemic impacted quarter from 2020.
FX translation was a tailwind of one 3% driven by the strength of the Chinese renminbi, the euro and other currencies during the quarter.
Third quarter, adjusted EBIT was $146 million versus $210 million in the prior year quarter, given strong demand and volume trends in performance coatings as well as commercial vehicle more than offset by light vehicle volume headwinds substantially increased variable input cost inflation and lower temporary cost savings versus Q3 2020.
Third quarter, adjusted EBIT excludes the $19 million benefit to operating charges associated with the mobility coatings operational matter. We have previously discussed as well as made solid progress on insurance coverage for this matter, which we expect to largely mitigate any exposure to exalt or as well as a 9 million net gain on the <unk>.
Sales of previously closed manufacturing facility offset partly by incremental restructuring charges of $10 million and certain other discrete adjustments noted in the reconciliation tables to our posted earnings materials.
The performance coating segment reported Q3, adjusted EBIT of $123 million versus $134 million in Q3, 2020, driven by ongoing volume recovery and growth and drop through benefits of stronger average price mix offset by headwinds from significantly higher variable costs and the lack of temporary cost savings.
Which benefited the prior year quarter.
The adjusted EBIT margin from the segment decreased to 15, 8% from 19, 6% in the prior year record setting quarterly margin given the drivers noted.
Mobility coatings reported third quarter, adjusted EBIT loss of $3 million versus income of $49 million in the third quarter of 2020.
Adjusted EBIT and associated margins in Q3 were impacted by the volume reduction during the quarter due to the semiconductor chip shortages, which impacted production at the customer level and net sales volumes for example.
Results were further impacted by significantly higher cost inflation with modest offset some positive pricing, which began to accrue during the third quarter.
Exalt is balance sheet and liquidity profile remains solid in the third quarter. The company ended the quarter with over $1 1 billion in total liquidity, including $620 million of cash on the balance sheet and $516 million of available capacity and our undrawn revolver.
Free cash flow for the quarter totaled $112 million versus $223 million in the third quarter of 2020, driven by somewhat lower operating profit and inclusive of $25 million and higher capex versus the comparable year ago period.
Exalt is net leverage ratio ended the quarter at three five times versus two six times at June 30, driven by lower trailing 12 month operating earnings and lower cash balances due to increased cash deployment for M&A and share repurchases offset somewhat by solid ongoing free cash flow.
Exalt used approximately 596 million in cash from the balance sheet to fund the acquisition of <unk>, which closed in mid September.
The company also purchased 90 million and total shares in the third quarter for year to date total of $214 million.
Given stronger seasonal cash flows during the fourth quarter and inclusion of a full quarter of the youthful operating earnings we anticipate that the year end net leverage ratios will tick down slightly from the third quarter levels.
Regarding our financial outlook for the full year 2021, despite ongoing firm demand across our businesses. We have factored in expected impacts from persistent inflation and supply chain effects, which will constrain reported growth and profit near term.
For full year net sales, we now assume that sales growth of approximately 19%, including approximately 2% FX headwinds and approximately 2% of M&A contribution.
This forecast includes continued overall strength in performance coatings aligned with our prior assumptions and similar negative impacts and mobility coatings, resulting from continued auto OEM production constraints.
We assume 11 million vehicles deferred in 2021 as noted in our September guidance update in dollar terms mobility coatings is expected to be impacted by approximately $70 million and net sales in the fourth quarter and 215 for the full year from continued supply chain impacts, which is $80 million higher than our previous forecast from <unk>.
July.
For mobility coating volumes, we continue to expect to perform at least in line with global market forecast for the full year, given our market positioning.
Mobility coatings net sales are expected to grow approximately high single digits this year versus 2020.
For Refinish total net sales have performed largely as expected year to date, we continue to assume that market recovery will progress gradually through year end and into 2022, Theres still ending the year with volumes below 2019 levels by around mid single digits. Despite net sales expected to exceed 2019 totals.
We expect to generate adjusted EBIT of $645 million to $665 million in 2021, and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1 70 to $1 80 versus the $1 85 to $2 anticipated in our July guidance construct.
Additional income statement line items are noted in the guidance sections of our posted earnings materials.
The primary drivers of the reduced range of expected profit or the impact of reduced mobility coating volumes as well as the impact of higher inflation now expected to increase approximately mid teens or approximately $190 million.
We expect free cash flow of between 410, and $430 million or $35 million to $55 million below the July guidance inclusive of capex of $155 million for the full year.
The forecast excludes outflows related to the mobility coatings operational matter, which are now expected to be modest given anticipated insurance recoveries.
Looking beyond the fourth quarter. There is now apparent that the global supply chain issues and those impacting mobility coatings with semiconductor chips will not be fully resolved fully in the near term. We now expect that some impacts will continue well into 2022.
Thank you Sean.
In closing I'd like to highlight that the current environment, so challenging and even historic with regard to cost headwinds and supply constraints is one which exalt is well suited to manage through and overcome.
This begins with the adjustments we've taken to our operating processes, our organizational structure and our leadership team in the last year.
We have a great team in place and continue to execute well I've seen in our reported earnings year to date and a tough climate.
In addition, I want to reiterate that we have a sound and clear strategic plan in place and we are confident in our execution and value delivery around this plan.
Finally, despite the headwinds noted we see our 2020 for growth and earnings targets that we set out in May that's achievable given the strong underlying market demand across our markets around the world.
Some of the adjustments to inflationary pressure that we are implementing may actually create additional value for shareholders over a longer term horizon through a reduced cost structure and a stronger margin profile.
We look forward to continuing to deliver this value and updating you along the way.
With that we'll be pleased to answer any questions. Operator, please open the lines for Q&A.
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Our first question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. You May proceed with your question.
Thank you good morning, everybody hope you're doing well.
I guess first question is on performance coatings and I'm just trying to clarify so if I look at the operating profit for performance Q3, 'twenty one versus last year.
You know margins down almost 400 basis points I was hoping you can kind of bridge that differential.
On slide four where you're talking about performance coatings, you know unless I'm missing something largely offset inflation with price bags.
Are you implying that you fully caught up on performance in terms of pricing or is there more to go.
And yes, I have a follow up to that as well.
Hey, good morning.
So the biggest driver as far as margins versus Q3, 2020 or really the temporary savings that we had implemented back during the pandemic lows and you're you're seeing roughly 50% of that far away. So that's really the biggest driver and yes as far as our opening commentary we are largely caught up on the performance side of the business.
As far as pricing offsetting wells at this point.
Okay and then Robert in your comments in terms of the early two.
2020 to catch up on price cost are you starting to see a moderation or plateauing in terms of raw material costs I guess I'm just trying to understand what that confidence is based on.
I think the confidence is really based on our ability to continue to control our cost structure and to implement price increases to offset any incremental raw material inflation that we see from this point forward, but I think we've demonstrated in as Sean pointed out.
The price increases that we've been able to implement to offset inflation on a run rate basis to date and essentially be caught up in performance coating ends at the total company on the road to being caught up by the first quarter of 2022 at a total company level on a run rate basis as well as our performance in the 2017 2018 inflationary cycle that.
We are able to do that so that's what really gives us the confidence that we'll be able to offset any incremental inflation that comes as we go into 2022.
Okay, so have raw material cost stabilized sequentially.
I think if you look at if you look at our raw baskets I mean, we've seen some stabilization of key categories, namely a slight dip in monomers and powder resins from from the highest mid summer.
That said I think all categories remain elevated.
And some of the continued decline, including Isis <unk> pigments and liquid resins.
Vince or are more level from the summer, but the recent oil price hikes will cause that kind of category to rise further so I think in terms of perhaps an element of peaking but it's hard to really confidently say that there is any sense of an easing kind of going on at the moment. So to some degree we may see this as some of the force matures.
Over the next few months, but it's likely too early to call. The turn here with oil still hovering around year highs and some forecasters are calling for.
And even higher feedstock pricing, but as I said before as we've demonstrated before we will price through the raw material inflation.
Very helpful. Thank you so much.
Our next question comes from the line of Chris Parkinson with Mizuho Securities. You May proceed with your question.
Chris You May proceed with your question.
Sorry, I was on mute. Good morning can you just quickly comment on the overall industry price discipline versus the last inflationary cycle in 17 and 18.
Whether its worst roughly the same or arguably a better.
How this overall just sets up for the industry to hold on to value. Once raws you know hopefully moderate just better reflecting the value you actually create for your customers. Thank you.
Yeah, I think overall, what we're seeing in coatings is that the timing of this raw material cycle has really been beneficial to kind of everybody getting.
Getting a little bit more ahead of it then in the 2017 2018 cycle, we've really started to see the inflation <unk> had in the fourth quarter of last year. So we certainly incorporated that into our operating plans and our budget as I suspect many of our peers did so the timing of when it happened was actually quite quite beneficial and it's not that you can't you know increased price regardless.
But when it happens during the year, but from fully having your commercial teams and your supply chain teams fully aligned across the entire company. It's easier for you kind of doing it through your natural budgeting and in operating cycles. So I think that's been beneficial not only for us, but for everyone else as well.
I think really in terms of holding on to price I think it is important to remember that in coatings, we create so much value in the non product area of our total solution that really as long as we're all continuing to innovate in terms of labor energy and the.
Amount of investment that our customers have to make as well as the various performance characteristics.
Suspect that we will be able to hold onto pricing and as it pertains specifically to exalt over the last three years, we have dramatically sped up our innovation engine and are really focused on more leapfrog technologies and innovation. So I think specifically in the case of <unk> also we're pretty confident in our ability to be able to hold.
Onto price given that we are delivering more value to customers, regardless of what happens in the raw material environment.
That's very helpful and just for the follow up can you just walk us through the regional refinish markets regarding what you're seeing versus 19 levels you hit on this a little in your prepared remarks I'm just your perspectives on miles driven versus actual collision trends and what you're seeing in terms of body shops.
Flow through just anything to give us a sense of your platforms performance versus the industry. Thank you very much.
Yeah.
We continue to see gradual progress in global Refinish business metrics in Europe, which is our largest market exalt is body shop activity improved from down 10% compared to pre COVID-19 levels in the second quarter to down just 7% in the third quarter, we've really had great performance in <unk>.
We've had some material customer wins in some of the Underpenetrated markets that we've highlighted for years as an opportunity and we finally in the last 12 months really carney.
Chris really park.
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And we've seen.
The amount of volume that are going through <unk> body shops in Europe recovered to 93% of pre pandemic levels and we're also capturing price in that in that region. So very happy with Europe in the U S. Exalt is body shop activity stays about constant between second quarter and third quarter at.
Down around 12% compared to pre Covid levels, we continue to outperform the market and capture and capture price in the U S. So we're very happy with how things are going there as well.
Asia and Latin America have really improved as per the improvement in COVID-19 rates and reduced Lockdowns in Asia Pacific specifically, we've had very good net body shop gains and net new stock points. So we've seen the penetration of our mainstream and our economy products there.
To be successful. So we really believe that demand will return to more normal levels over time, given ongoing vaccination progress.
Along with increased returned to work and then overall return to more more of a more normal mobility environment.
Our next question comes from the line of John Mcnulty with BMO Capital markets. You May proceed with your question.
Yeah. Thanks for taking my question just a quick one on on the auto OEM front. You had indicated you had some some decent business wins can you give us a little bit of color on that if it's if it's more geographic in nature or if it's new product lines around existing vehicles I guess, how should we be thinking about about what some of those wins at least characteristically kind of came in.
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So our light vehicle coatings business has won significant new business. This year. In fact, we've won roughly a third of the business that's come up for bid this year and we've retained about 97% of the preexisting business that came up for bid. This year. So I think I'm very.
I'm pleased with how our mobility coatings team is performing and we have one business and all in all region and it's really been a function of service and some of the advanced technologies and data solutions that we're offering our light vehicle customers.
Got it but that's pretty significant maybe just another question on on the working capital front, obviously, there's a lot of a lot of challenges, especially around with all the supply chain issues raw material issues, but you know working capital definitely seems like it's crept up this year, even relative to kind of 2019.
Taking 2020 out of the mix I guess as you look forward are there levers you can pull to kind of streamline or clean out some of the some of the working capital hits or is it really just a function of hey look it's an inflationary period and and you know the challenge is what it is and there is not necessarily a lot of things you can you can necessarily do about it in this type of environment, how should we think about that yes.
[noise] you certainly talk about all the elements in working capital I mean, a R is seasonally up decking just in Q3, but given all the pricing actions you're seeing a further uptick on a or that will come down in the fourth quarter for normal course inventory is probably a single point of the biggest pressure.
About $108 million of our cash build.
Largely due to inflation, but that's going to be the area of potential opportunity, but as we look around assurances of supply.
It's a dynamic situation that we need to make sure we're balancing how much inventory on hand, so we're not actually stocking out any of our customers, but we still generally target working capital as a percentage of annual sales of around 8%, but I would say inventory is certainly going to be a focal point for us as we head into 2022.
Got it thanks very much for the color.
Okay.
Our next question comes from the line of Steve Byrne with Bank of America. You May proceed with your question.
Yes. Thank you.
Robert can you comment on the price actions, how much of that would be structural.
Versus what fraction would you say is index to particular raw that.
Go it flows through as a surcharge or moves the reversible.
At this point.
All of the pricing that we have.
But we have pushed through.
To offset raw material inflation has been a combination of pure price increases and then we do have in our light vehicle business and a small piece of our industrial business raw material raw material index contracts that have also had price increases. So I think youll continue to see from a pricing perspective as we go forward.
In Q4 and forward greater price capture as we see more of those indexing contracts have more more months since most of them are on a six month lag as the inflation flows through and those roll up and the index. As you said you should see price capture increase in subsequent quarters that even more.
And just wanted to drill or not.
As far as your question on surcharges.
We have in the previous cycle, we actually implemented implemented surcharges as a construct to supplement pricing and what we found is that many of our customers. It requires them to modify their systems to actually incorporate a new line item. So many of our customers just prefer that we just go ahead and put it through in price.
And that's the approach that we've taken are thus.
Thus far this year.
I see thank you.
Wanted to drill in a little bit on on those new products that you talked about in your in your press release you got this this.
This one coat kitchen coding.
Where did that technology come from is that a is that a cross sell from them from another coating technology developed and maybe maybe the other one being the electrical steel coating provide some dielectric and corrosion protection.
Were those were those are true.
<unk> heard from other technologies, you have or is this something new and therefore you could.
Transfer into some other end markets.
Yeah. Thanks for that question, we're really as I said before we really over the last three years have tried to make a step change.
In the level of investment as well as the level of return in.
In our technology and in R&D and as seen in our wood coatings business. The one coat kitchen cabinet application, that's something that was developed internally.
Syed inside <unk> also over the last several years, so kudos go to our R&D and technology teams and then in terms of the multiple innovations that you've seen in our energy solutions business.
You'll continue to see more and more coming coming out of there. In fact, most of you already know that exalt is one of the world's leaders in coatings for electric motors with our wire enamel steel coatings and in pregnancy resin products and these products are used on a variety of applications, including Transformers wind and.
<unk> and other and other electronic applications, but we also have significant offerings and battery coatings for battery cells battery modules and battery packs for dot dielectric and corrosion protection buyer protection EMI shielding in thermal management and Youre going to be hearing a lot more about our energy solutions portfolio in future quarters.
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Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with Jpmorgan. You May proceed with your question.
Thanks very much.
On the other day.
Celanese was thinking through.
Auto Global auto production for 2022, and what it said was that as the base case had thought it would be flat with 2021, and it's thought that the IHS estimates were really much too optimistic.
And I think they.
Thought that the first half.
In particular really wouldn't really be very very different from the fourth quarter of 2021.
Do you have any views on on this subject or.
Hugh Hugh.
Gravitate to the IHS estimates.
Jeff I think our view at the moment.
We've taken a lot of time to speak with our customers as well as different people in the semiconductor supply chain and I think our view would be somewhat somewhat similar we expect semiconductor shortage to continue through at least part of 2022.
How much of 2022 is not is not yet clear.
It depends on a number of supply and demand variables and how much production. They are able to get back up in the size of chip.
That automakers typically used as well as some of the reconfiguration of some of the tier one systems that go into vehicles. There's some options that some of the Oems are looking at there are.
In order to route some of those systems through more central control units and to be able to use some of the newer chip sizes.
As opposed to some of the older ones. So I think everybody's focused on it and everybody's everybody's where everybody is working on it now in terms of the timing of the resolution of that I think it is not a reasonable assumption not an unreasonable assumption.
To assume that that continues to be a headwind through at least the first half of next year beyond that we're just not experts in that field and we have to rely on what we're hearing from customers as well as from others in the supply chain.
Okay, Great and then.
Secondly, you talked about catching up with raw materials in performance coatings.
Are you caught up both in auto refinish, and industrial or is auto refinish more than caught up but industrial is lagging.
And is the is the rate of raw material inflation and industrial the same as it is an auto refinish, our auto OEM or or is it at a different rate because.
The raw materials you use is different.
Yeah.
Answer to your last question first Jeff I mean, it's a similar rate the variable margins and refinish are higher so you're feeling a little bit more pain at the bottom line for industrial but I'd say that overall rate is very similar between refinish and industrial as far as price raw again overall performance, we're caught up I would say.
We have a little bit more on refinish on average as compared to industrial.
I'm, sorry, a little bit more means you have more of a little bit more price. So we have a little bit more price.
Yes on the refinish, but again, we're very very happy with the progress we've made across both of those end markets to date.
Yeah, Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Okay.
Our next question comes from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley You May proceed with your question.
Thanks, very much can I just ask on the the new light vehicle wins, you mentioned that they were broad across regions, but is that new capacity from customers is it a new entrant or is it is it share gains at existing customers that's driving those wins.
Yeah, I think we'd prefer not to get into into too. Many details here, but it is share gain at existing existing customers as.
As well as other customers, where maybe we might have had a lower share of wallet or share of pocket.
I would highlight that in our Asia business, we have been successful in securing new business at Chinese Oems over the last 12 months.
Okay.
And then if I could ask you you referenced in the prepared remarks.
That at some point in the quarter, maybe there'd been concerns.
Our body shops about labor parts shortages, but you didn't think that that kind of ultimately came to be too meaningful of an impact. So is that something that you're now sort of you know it's off the list of things to worry about or is that something that we need to keep monitoring it.
Go through the next few quarters.
Yeah.
What I think at the at the moment, it's certainly something that we're working to support our refinish customers, our refinish customers with in terms of just maximizing the productivity of our products as well as the data that we supply them so that they can maximize.
The effectiveness of labor, but.
But yes, you have seen in the industry.
Body shop industry is also not unaffected by the by the shortage in Labor and then also.
When it when it comes to when it comes to parts shortages and supply chain issues. They have also not been unaffected, but I don't think it's anything specific to that industry. It's just.
All the chaos, that's going on right now globally in the supply chain that things get delayed in transit and so forth. So I think again, it's very much a general comment as opposed to a specific observation.
Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks very much.
Our next question comes from the line of P. J <unk> with.
Citi You May proceed with your question.
Yes, good morning, Robert you spend some time talking about the refinish market and miles driven.
You know it seems that the morning rush hour traffic jams are back.
Starting in September October when the Lockdowns would've eased.
And it seems like people are driving more to work.
Rather than taking mass transit and they want to be in their own cars, that's kind of a phenomenon that we saw back in.
In China back about a year ago are you seeing a similar phenomenon in the U S.
Well I think we are seeing certainly a pickup in driving activity. If we're talking specifically about the U S. In morning, and afternoon traffic, but it certainly has not recovered.
To pre pandemic levels, we also do see more traffic.
More traffic throughout the day and in terms of the of the comparison to to China.
At the time period that that occurred.
Kind of hybrid work model was not really fully implemented in the country at that time when it was back to work people. We're essentially back to work pretty quickly. So I think we're comparing two things that are comparable and interesting to compare but not necessarily comparable because they occurred at two different points in time with.
Two different dynamics in terms of the office environment.
Thank you and then in commercial vehicles, you mentioned the production rates are at or near record highs.
I mean, one would think that the chip shortages impacting light vehicles are also impacting.
The larger you know heavy duty trucks.
In commercial vehicles.
Is that the case or maybe this commercial vehicles don't need as much AR.
So if instigation theres not a cheap usage and so they can continue to produce.
That's correct. The number of ships that are required in the heavy duty truck environment is much lower than it is in the light vehicle environment. So we're not seeing the same degree.
The impact from the semiconductor shortage to our commercial vehicle business as we are in light vehicle, but I think if we look more more broadly at commercial vehicle I mean, the current the current picture from industry forecasters continues to be pretty positive and in better rebound in 2022.
To some degree compared to 2021 volumes just if we look at kind of backlog I think North America class eight trucks right now are at 279000 and class four to $7 I think of about 145000, and that's the highest level that they've been at since January 2019. So I think that's going to set up really well for us give.
Our strong position in that business and just to put some data on that I mean heavy duty truck class four through eight is expected to grow around 20%, excluding Asia and the comparable number for 2022 to Robert's point is around 14%. So we're we're I'm very positive on the outlook in that market.
Great. Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Mccarthy with vertical Research partners. You May proceed with your question.
Thank you and good morning, Robert I was wondering if you could provide an update on you poll now that you've owned it for nearly six weeks how's the integration going are the challenges of inflation and supply constraints any different from your other businesses.
And maybe for Sean what will be the step up in amortization associated with that deal and the fourth quarter.
So six weeks and as you point out Kevin.
I'd say as we call it the value creation planning.
<unk> is going extremely well is progressing as per our original value creation plan. We've seen really good reception from you pull employees as well as from <unk> employees.
We've been leveraging shared learnings and areas of expertise between both companies because frankly, there's a lot that exalted can learn from how you Paul operates as much as there is.
How you what you Paul can learn and leverage from from <unk>.
We're moving quickly on the cost synergies and we're ramping up commercial synergies given the strong pull from our customer base in fact, the desire of our customer base to begin carrying <unk> products has frankly been overwhelming.
And with regard to price that was one of the first conversations that debt that we had as soon as we owned the <unk> owned the business and yes. They are seeing.
Some of the same raw material inflation in logistics and energy challenges that anybody else operating of our business in today's world is seeing so we have.
Spoken as a team about that in half price increases underway in that business.
And Kevin on your your amortization question.
To remind you of the purchase accounting is still very preliminary but DNA for that business is going to be about $20 million on an annual basis. So you can expect about 5 million in the fourth quarter.
Thank you for that and then secondly, I wanted to come back to raw material cost inflation, if I understood. Your comments correctly, you're looking at a rate of 20% year over year in the fourth quarter one of your peers.
In their conference call put out a rate of 30% year over year, and perhaps it's a bit unfair of me to ask but it's obviously quite a wide range and so I'm curious if you're cognizant of any mixed differences or <unk>.
Differences in business practices that would account for.
A lower rate of inflation in your own case versus some peer companies.
Yes, Kevin it's hard for us to comment on competition I suspect mix as part of the story there, but we don't know strategically you know how they price their raul so it's hard for us to really react to that.
And then the other element Kevin is I think when people talk about raw material inflation is it just pure raw material inflation does it include logistics does it include packaging does it include energy.
Those are all questions that could also account for the differences in the numbers.
Do you have energy in there.
Yes, we do.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Okay.
Our next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. You May proceed with your question.
Thank you Robert mobility coatings lost money on an EBIT basis in Q3.
Do you think it will lose money as well.
On an EBIT basis in Q4.
So Dave I mean, we're expecting to be marginally better, but it's very marginal, but we do expect to be positive in the fourth quarter.
Very good and just on the the temporary cost savings headwinds in 2022, how should we think about those.
We haven't provided guidance yet I suspect we will continue to maintain some of the discipline around travel and entertainment.
But it'll be modest compared to what we're seeing in 2021.
And remind us what the impact was in 'twenty one versus 'twenty.
So we ended up doing about <unk>.
<unk> hundred $50 million of temporary savings, it's somewhere between 50 and $60 million of temporary savings for 2021.
Thank you very much.
Our next question comes from the line of Mike <unk>.
With Wells Fargo. You May proceed with your question.
Hey, guys. Good morning, just a quick follow up on mobility cuttings.
Clear I understand why margins are were at that given.
Build rates this year, but where do you think.
Those margins can get back to them and how do you sort of get there over time.
Well I think overall when we look at that when we look at that at that business again. It is a it is a very good business. The team. There has made several changes to the operating model into the <unk>.
So the cost structure and as I've mentioned, we've won a fair amount of business in our mobility.
Mobility coatings business, both on the light vehicle as well as the commercial vehicle side on the technology and technological development, we've launched some great products and we have some more great products in the pipeline that are going to be rolled out. So I think when we see the semiconductor situation.
Start to get better and then eventually become fully fully resolved we're.
We're going to see a tremendous.
Growth in volume in that in that business and it should fall through at very attractive margins. So it's painful now, but we have a very a very good business and we're continuing to invest in that business. Both in our people as well as our technology to position. It so that when that snapback does happen that were extremely well position.
<unk>.
Alright, thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Josh Spector with UBS. You May proceed with your question.
Yeah, Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. So just looking at your updated guidance for the fourth quarter, if I back out the incremental M&A you may be guiding for about 5% sequential sales increase I was wondering if you could kind of quantify that between how much you're assuming for sequential pricing versus volume coming back and on the.
<unk> side are you assuming any sequential improvement in any segment other than refinish.
Yeah.
So we're expecting net sales to be up in every end market Q4 versus Q3, we actually haven't quantified price versus volume for Q4, but the way to think about price for the full year, it's it's going to be somewhere between 3.5% to 4%.
So you can annualize that based on what Youre seeing in Q3 year to date.
Okay. Thanks.
Just on the mobility side talk a lot about new wins, there I'm curious how much of the portfolio is typically rebid each year and thinking about in the context of price mix for next year, how much of your non indexed pricing contracts on the mobility side have already been repriced and your expected therefore get price into 2022 one.
Those contracts.
So typically what we'll see is about.
A quarter of the business in mobility will come up for bid.
In any given year.
And then in terms of the pricing dynamics, obviously, the index contracts they adjust they adjust themselves and then contracts contracts that are that are off index. Those are negotiations that occur between the manufacturers and the OEM customers, but we don't comment on the.
The specificity of those negotiations.
Okay, I guess, if I could try if I look at the index portion plus the portion Thats been rebid now.
Is it fair to say, 75% of your portfolio would see better pricing next year.
No I think that number is too high.
Okay alright, thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Bob Court with Goldman Sachs. You May proceed with your question.
Thank you good morning.
Wanted to ask some more on the raws situation I guess.
I've seen spot prices propylene phenol them with acrylate or proxy kind of flattening out it looks like maybe the worst of the storm has passed but.
I wasn't sure about as well.
How much have you guys had to go out into the spot markets and maybe get tagged.
Exceptionally high prices have enforced matures do you guys still have out there.
What are the key raw materials that are still giving you. Some indigestion here as you go into the end of the year.
Well, Bob we continue to see tightness in various materials due to supply chain disruptions and also some alternative value chain demand.
Isocyanate acrylic emulsions and certain polyester resins have been the most challenging and acrylics have as we talked about earlier impacted the industrial business, perhaps a little bit more so than the other businesses, including wood coatings.
While for Isocyanate is the biggest impact has really been in North America from the from the HDI side now despite that market situation, we've secured supply and have largely been able to keep pace with the strong demand for our products, but we have seen some impacts on sales volumes as well as impacts at the customer level, which.
Has constrained getting everything made and shipped at the end of any given month or any given any any given quarter. So I think in terms of your comment about things peak linked peaking and leveling off.
Certainly we're seeing it in some in some areas.
But we could kind of tick through all the categories. There are some.
Elements.
At specific SKU levels that exist in each one of the categories and then the other element is just if you go through some of the other categories packaging.
Plastics and tin plate are up.
Oil Brent currently in the mid eighties.
Potentially forecasting to be around 90, or so for next year energy inflation natural gas is up 76% in the U S and about 230% in Europe, and then in logistics everyone's seeing cost inflation from shortage of drivers port workers warehouse workers.
Slow turnaround of shifts in China, that's adding to delays.
And logistics companies at least in Europe are certainly importing drivers from other countries and having to pay higher wages, which translates into wage inflation for them and then higher costs.
For logistics.
Carriers, So I think we see an environment in which we expect to see some continued cost inflation as we as we go forward, but in terms of the tsunami that we saw.
On the pure raw material side at least at current at the current oil price level. The peak of that will probably occur either occurred in Q3 or will occur in Q4, but we still have some of these other cost categories that have inflated that we expect will carry will carry forward now again.
But that's just.
Kind of.
Nature of the market that we're in at the moment.
Got you makes sense and then have you changed given.
These challenges have you changed the way you procure raw materials is there anything unique or different that you've done.
To give yourself more flexibility in India typically by your raws.
On monthly quarterly.
My annual contract and give us a sense of what the portfolio contract terms might look like.
So I think everything that you could imagine that any company is doing right now in terms of <unk>.
Managing their supply base and the current raw material environment. We're obviously doing we're first and foremost focused on keeping our customers supplied in our customers our customers happy.
In terms of.
Our existing supply base, we have been working with them on really defining or their S. K theres certain skus for maybe to see type products are lower volume products that we can eliminate to make sure that the A&P movers that we're getting increased allocation in terms of some of some of those raw materials, we've been doing.
That I think everybody has been working to an extent with with alternative with alternative suppliers, but you know it's a tough it's.
A tough market out there, but again as I said in my opening remarks, I think our our procurement or in our supply chain and manufacturing teams have just done.
Yeoman's job.
Over the last several quarters in managing the situation and I think that we may actually have fared a little bit better than most.
Great. Thanks for the help.
Okay.
Our last question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. You May proceed with your question.
Lawrence You May proceed with your question.
Hello.
Hi, Laurence.
Can you clarify you made a comment about mixed headwinds.
The dynamic for mix be as volumes improve outside the octane and then it has the auto refinish improves is that a mix benefit or a mixed strike.
I mean by and large you should assume mix going forward should be somewhat steady we did see a little bit of mix headwinds in the third quarter reversing from a significant amount of mix benefits in the second quarter and quite frankly, it was just an easier comp versus the lows of the pandemic in 2020 that we saw.
Staggering mix benefit come through in particular on the refinish side of the business.
Okay, great. Thank you.
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