Q2 2022 Worthington Industries Inc Earnings Call

December 16, 2021

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Worthington Industries second-quarter fiscal 2022 earnings conference call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question and answer session of the call. This conference is being recorded at the request of Worthington Industries. If anyone objects, you may disconnect at this time. I'd now like to introduce Marcus Rajiv, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer. Mr. Rajiv, you may begin.

This conference is being recorded at the request of Worthington industries. If anyone objects you may disconnect at this time.

I'd now like to introduce Marcus Rajiv, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer. Mr. Rajiv, you may begin.

Thank you, Rachel good afternoon, everyone and welcome to Worthington Industries second-quarter fiscal 2022 earnings call. On our call today, we have Andy Rose, Worthington's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Joe Hayek, Worthington's Chief Financial Officer.

On our call today, we have Andy Rose Worthingtons, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Joe Hayek, Worthington Chief Financial Officer.

Before we get started I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made today are forward-looking within the meaning of the 1995 Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those suggested. We issued our earnings release earlier this morning before the market opened. Please refer to it for more detail on those factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available later today on our WorthingtonIndustries.com website. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Joe for a discussion of the financial results.

These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those suggested.

We issued our earnings release earlier this morning before the market opened.

Please refer to it for more detail on those factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available later today on our WorthingtonIndustries.com website. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Joe for a discussion of the financial results.

This point I'll turn the call over to Joe for a discussion of the financial results.

Thank you, Marcus and good afternoon, everyone. We had another strong quarter in Q2 with reported earnings of $2.15 per share compared to a loss of $1.40 in Q2 a year ago. Excluding a small onetime restructuring gain, we generated a second-quarter record of $2.12 per share in Q2. In the prior-year period, excluding restructuring and the unrealized loss and one time charges associated with our investment in Nikola, we generated earnings of 95 cents per share. Consolidated net sales in the quarter of $1.2 billion were up significantly compared to $731 million in Q2 of last year.

We had another strong quarter in Q2 with reported earnings of $2 15 per share compared to a loss of $1 40 in Q2 a year ago.

Excluding a small onetime restructuring gain we generated a second quarter record $2 12 per share in Q2.

In the prior year period, excluding restructuring and the unrealized loss and one time charges associated with our investment in Nikola we generated earnings of <unk> 95 per share.

Consolidated net sales in the quarter of $1 2 billion were up significantly compared to $731 million in Q2 of last year increasing.

The increase in sales was primarily due to higher steel prices, along with increased volumes across our businesses and our recent acquisitions. Our gross profit for the quarter increased to 185 million from $135 million in the prior-year quarter and gross margin was 15% versus 18.5%. Our adjusted EBITDA in Q2 was $168 million up from $96 million in Q2 of last year and our trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA is now $677 million.

Our gross profit for the quarter increased to 185 million from $135 million in the prior year quarter and gross margin was 15% versus 18, 5%.

Our adjusted EBITDA in Q2 was $168 million up from $96 million in Q2 of last year and our trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA is now $677 million.

I'll now spend a few minutes on each of the businesses. In steel processing, net sales of 938 million doubled from $469 million in Q2 of last year, primarily due to higher average selling prices and a slight increase in volumes. Total shipped tons were up 4% from last years second quarter due to the inclusion of Shiloh is blank light business and were flat excluding that acquisition. Direct tons in Q2 were 47% of the mix compared to 48% in the prior-year quarter.

Total shipped tons were up 4% from last years second quarter due to the inclusion of Shiloh is blank light business and were flat excluding that acquisition.

Direct tons in Q2 were 47% of the mix compared to 48% in the prior year quarter.

Automotive demand is still difficult to predict but late in the quarter production forecast began to improve and we're optimistic that trend will continue. Duction levels in automotive are not approaching historic averages and a myriad of risks and challenges will persist for several quarters, but we are seeing indications that the worst of the semiconductor-related production interruptions may have passed.

Duction levels in automotive are not approaching historic averages and a myriad of risks and challenges will persist for several quarters, but we are seeing indications that the worst of the semiconductor related production interruptions may have passed.

Demand across our other major end markets remains robust and while supply chains and steel [availability] remains tight our teams continue to navigate those challenges exceptionally well. In Q2, steel generated adjusted EBIT of 72 million compared to $34 million last year. The large year over year increase was primarily driven by higher spreads combined with slightly higher volumes. In the quarter the scrap gap remained wider than historic averages.

In Q2 steel generated adjusted EBIT of 72 million compared to $34 million last year.

Large year over year increase was primarily driven by higher spreads combined with slightly higher volumes in the quarter. The scrap gap remained wider than historic averages.

In Q2, we had pre-tax inventory holding gains estimated to be 42 million or 61 cents per share compared to negligible gains in Q2 of last year. Based on recent declines in steel prices, we believe we will have meaningful inventory holding losses in Q3 and will also face continued headwinds from the scrap yards. Consumer products net sales in Q2 were $141 million up 20% from $118 million in the prior-year quarter.

Based on recent declines in steel prices, we believe we will have meaningful inventory holding losses in Q3 and will also face continued headwinds from the scrap yards.

Consumer products net sales in Q2 were $141 million up 20% from $118 million in the prior year quarter.

The increase was driven by the inclusion of sales from GTI, which we acquired in January, combined with higher average selling prices. Adjusted EBIT for the consumer business was $18 million and adjusted EBIT margin was 13% during Q2 compared to $17 million and 15% in the prior-year quarter. The consumer team continues to do an excellent job managing through a fluid environment.

Adjusted EBIT for the consumer business was $18 million and adjusted EBIT margin was 13% during Q2 compared to $17 million and 15% in the prior year quarter.

The consumer team continues to do an excellent job managing through a fluid environment.

Demand remains robust and we have invested in new equipment and headcount to increase our production capacity. Margins have been under some pressure. Athough we have higher input costs and more limited in our ability to pass those costs, along because of fixed-price contracts with customers. Late in Q2, we were able to start recapturing some of that margin and as a result, we expect margins will improve moving forward.

Margins have been under some pressure.

Do we have higher input costs and more limited in our ability to pass those costs, along because of fixed price contracts with customers.

Late in Q2, we were able to start recapturing some of that margin and as a result, we expect margins will improve moving forward.

Building products generated net sales of $121 million in Q2, which was up 29% from $94 million in the prior-year quarter. The increase was primarily due to higher volumes as construction markets continue to grow and higher average selling prices. Building products adjusted EBIT was $55 million and adjusted EBIT margin was 45% up significantly from $26 million and 28% in Q2 of last year.

The increase was primarily due to higher volumes as construction markets continue to grow and higher average selling prices.

Building products adjusted EBIT was $55 million and adjusted EBIT margin was 45% up significantly from $26 million and 28% in Q2 of last year.

The large year over year increase was driven by record results of Clark Dietrich contributed $27 million in equity earnings combined with solid results from [Wave] who contributed $22 million. Those teams have done a great job continuing to deliver value for their customers in a rising price environment. Our wholly-owned but building products business generated 47% year over year EBIT growth in the quarter due to an improved demand environment and higher average selling prices.

Those teams have done a great job continuing to deliver value for their customers in a rising price environment.

Our wholly owned but building products business generated 47% year over year EBIT growth in the quarter due to an improved demand environment and higher average selling prices.

The markets for our products and solutions, which are driven by commercial and residential construction, continued to show strength as the economy recovers and we remain training and growing our share through new product development and our ability to add value to our customers' efforts. And sustainable energy solutions net sales in Q2 were 33 million down slightly from $34 million in the prior year. Despite continued demand headwinds related to semiconductor chip shortages at their customers, the business was profitable and reported adjusted EBIT of $1 million in the current period compared to $2 million in the prior year.

And sustainable energy solutions net sales in Q2 were 33 million down slightly from $34 million in the prior year.

Despite continued demand headwinds related to semiconductor chip shortages at their customers. The business was profitable and reported adjusted EBIT of $1 million in the current period compared to $2 million in the prior year.

This business is in the early stages of repositioning itself to serve the global hydrogen ecosystem and adjacent sustainable energies like compressed natural gas. We're very pleased with their progress and some early wins. The markets we serve will take time to develop but we're very excited about our growth prospects over the long term. With respect to cash flows and our balance sheet. Operations used cash of $119 million in the quarter, driven by a $235 million increase in operating working capital primarily associated with higher steel prices.

With respect to cash flows and our balance sheet.

Operations used cash of $119 million in the quarter, driven by a $235 million increase in operating working capital primarily associated with higher steel prices.

For context, we've added $568 million in working capital over the last 12 months and our free cash flow in that same period is an outflow of $201 million. As steel prices decline, these increases in working capital should subside and ultimately reverse. As they're converted back into cash. During the quarter, we received $29 million in dividends from our unconsolidated JVs, invested 24 million in capital projects, paid $15 million in dividends and spent $13 million to repurchase 235,000 shares of our common stock. Following our Q2 purchases, we have slightly over 8 million shares remaining under our repurchase authorization.

As steel prices decline these increases in working capital should subside and ultimately reverse.

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During the quarter, we received $29 million in dividends from our unconsolidated Jv's invested 24 million in capital projects paid $15 million in dividends and spent $13 million to repurchase 235000 shares of our common stock. Following our Q2 purchases we have slightly over 8 million shares remaining under our repurchase authorization.

Yeah.

Looking at our balance sheet and liquidity position funded debt at quarter-end of $702 million and interest expense of $7 million were both down slightly compared to the prior year. Primarily due to favorable exchange rates for our euro-denominated debt. We ended Q2 with $225 million in cash, which we used to fund our December 1st acquisition of Temple steel. Earlier today, the board declared a 28 cent per share dividend for the quarter, which is payable in March of 2022. At this point, I will turn it over to [Andy].

Primarily due to favorable exchange rates for our euro denominated debt.

We ended Q2 with $225 million in cash, which we used to fund our December 1st acquisition of Temple steel.

Earlier today, the board declared a 28 cent per share dividend for the quarter, which is payable in March of 2022.

At this point I will turn it over to Amy.

Thank you, Joe and good afternoon, everyone. I am proud of our employees for delivering yet another record the best second quarter in the company's history and the third-best quarter ever. It is a great way to finish the calendar year and enter the holiday season. We have a lot of positive momentum in our businesses, but operating challenges remain some of which we have been able to improve over the best past few months.

I am proud of our employees for delivering yet another record the best second quarter in the company's history and the third best quarter ever. It is a great way to finish the calendar year and enter the holiday season.

We have a lot of positive momentum in our businesses, but operating challenges remain some of which we have been able to improve over the best past few months.

Supply chain issues still exist, but the chip shortage appears to be improving although it is still impacting our automotive volumes. Our HR team has done excellent work, reducing the number of open positions across the company, but labor availability is tight and not expect it to change much in the foreseeable future. Our success is directly attributable to the efforts of our people who continue to do exceptional work meeting customer needs. Demand levels are good across almost all of our end markets and backlogs are solid.

Our success is directly attributable to the efforts of our people who continue to do exceptional work meeting customer needs.

Demand levels are good across almost all of our end markets and backlogs are solid and.

In consumer products, price increases needed to offset rising costs are beginning to show up in our financial results and will help profitability going forward. We continued to invest in working capital during the quarter and have added almost 600 million in the past year. But the price of hot rolled steel peaked during the quarter in the mid-1900s and has already fallen close to $300 a ton. Our purchasing team believes there are more declines coming although the pace of that decline remains open for debate.

We continued to invest in working capital during the quarter and have added almost 600 million in the past year, but the price of hot rolled steel peaked during the quarter in the mid 19, hundreds and has already fallen close to $300 a ton.

Our purchasing team believes there are more declines coming although the pace of that decline remains open for debate.

Consumer products, building products, and sustainable energy solutions, all performed well during the quarter, but a special mention to the team at ClarkDietrich who have successfully navigated the challenging environment to record profits. We continue to be very bullish on the future of all of these business segments, as we refine and execute broader and more aggressive growth strategies, leveraging innovation transformation and M&A will drive above-market growth and higher returns on capital.

We continue to be very bullish on the future of all of these business segments, as we refine and execute broader and more aggressive growth strategies, leveraging innovation transformation and M&A will drive above market growth and higher returns on capital.

We also completed our Investor day in November. For those of you unable to join, I encourage you to visit our website and take a look at the presentations from our business leaders on their strategies for growth. We are thrilled to have closed the acquisition of temple steel on December 1st. Temple is already a global leader in the electrical steel eliminations market, which supplies the manufacturers of transformers, Electric Motors and electric vehicle motors.

For those of you unable to join I encourage you to visit our website and take a look at the presentations from our business leaders on their strategies for growth.

We are thrilled to have closed the acquisition of temple steel on December 1st temp.

Temple is already a global leader in the electrical steel eliminations market, which supplies the manufacturers of Transformers Electric Motors and electric vehicle Motors.

This business is led by a talented team and should experience significant growth in the coming years as the world converts to electric vehicles and the electricity infrastructure is upgraded and expanded to meet these demands. The business environment continues to be very dynamic, whether it's COVID-19 labor shortages and supply chain issues or the volatility in commodities, particularly steel. Our teams continue to excel in managing through these challenges safely and effectively. Our customers' needs are being met and our shareholders are being rewarded with record profits. Thank you to all of our employees for their efforts. We'll now take questions.

The business environment continues to be very dynamic, whether it's COVID-19 labor shortages and supply chain issues or the volatility in commodities, particularly steel R.

Our teams continue to excel in managing through these challenges safely and effectively.

Our customers' needs are being met and our shareholders are being rewarded with record profits. Thank you to all of our employees for their efforts. We'll now take questions.

We'll now take questions.

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question you will need to press star one on your telephone keypad. Again, just press star and then the number one on your telephone keypad and to withdraw your question press the pound key. Please standby will we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs from Keybanc capital markets. Your line is open.

Please standby will be compile the Q&A roster.

Yeah.

Our first question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs from Keybanc capital markets. Your line is open.

Hi, good afternoon. Good afternoon. Last quarter, you had I think mentioned some variability and the outlook maybe for automotive. It looked like your volumes for steel were reasonably stable sequentially may be able to move some some some volume away from auto into other markets. But I think that's still your core business and so trying to understand what you're seeing there right now. For automotive specifically, Phil?

Good afternoon Bill.

Last quarter, you had I think mentioned some.

Variability and the outlook maybe for automotive it looked like your volumes for steel were reasonably stable sequentially maybe.

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I think that's still your core.

Business and so trying to understand what your what Youre seeing there right now.

For automotive specifically Phil.

Yes, within steel. Yeah, I mean at a macro level, I believe the demand, the end-market demand for automotive is very strong, much higher than the sales rate. That the current sales rate, which I think last quarter or last month was you know 13 low 13 millions. The supply chain issues continue to constrain production. They do appear to be alleviating, but I will tell you our guys who watched this extremely closely particularly for the models that we're producing but really for all of the market think that it will improve modestly next quarter in terms of the annual rate of production. But it's not gonna vault back to what end-market demand is. I mean end market demand could be as high as 16, and a half or 17 million cars. If there were no production issues anywhere. What does that mean for how we should be thinking about volume next quarter? Reasonably somewhere because I know you typically have some seasonality, but auto still not pulling that where they need to. And then we've got a new acquisition in here. So I'm just trying to think about that.

Yeah, I mean at a macro level I believe the demand the end market demand for automotive is very strong are much higher than that.

The sales rate.

That the current sales rate, which I think last quarter or last month. It was you know 13 low 13 millions.

The supply chain issues continue to constrain production.

They do appear to be alleviating, but I will tell you our guys who watched this extremely closely particularly particularly for the models that we're producing but really for all of the market think that it will improve modestly next quarter in terms of the annual.

Our rate of production, but its not gonna vault back to what end market demand is end market demand could be as high as 16, and a half or 17 million cars. If there were no production issues anywhere.

What is what do you what does that mean for.

For for how we should be thinking about volume.

Reasonably somewhere because I know you typically have some seasonality, but auto still not pulling that where they need to. And then we've got a new acquisition in here. So I'm just trying to think about that.

So I'm just trying to think about that.

You're right on both counts, Phil. There is some seasonality obviously December is upon us. And then you have sort of the January February kind of reset reboot. So seasonally Q2 and Q3 are not that dissimilar. And so I think the way that we look at it. You've given kind of some of that seasonality I think sequentially flattish on automotive to slightly up. And then some of the other things you mentioned about kind of moving tons to other places is a reasonable way to think about it. Okay.

You're right on both counts Phil there there is some seasonality obviously December is upon us and and then you have sort of the January February kind of reset reboot. So.

Seasonally Q2, and Q3 are not that dissimilar.

And so I think the way that we look at it.

You've given kind of.

Some of that seasonality I think sequentially.

Flattish on an automotive to slightly up.

And then some of the other things you mentioned about kind of moving tons to other places is a reasonable way to think about it.

Okay.

That obviously is with the acquisition. Okay, and as it was that acquisition funded with, I would imagine this revolving capital or cash on the balance sheet. So, yes, so we had $225 million at quarter-end in cash. And we funded the acquisition with that cash and the remainder. being a drawdown of our revolver. Well, just the last one here. Where approximately is your pro format liquidity right now? Thanks, guys. So again pro forma liquidity, where. Excuse me, because of the acquisition and some working capital builds. Or into our revolver to kind of 75-ish million that revolver has $500 million limit. And we believe that based on where our working capital is and we're funding availability is that if we wanted additional liquidity, we would not have a hard time finding it at all.

Okay and as it was that acquisition funded.

Now with with I would imagine this revolving capital or.

Excuse me your cash on the balance sheet.

So, yes, so we had $225 million at quarter ending cash.

And we funded the acquisition with that cash and the remainder.

Being a drawdown of our revolver.

Well just the last one here where where's your.

We're approximately whereas your pro forma.

Liquidity right now thanks, guys.

Hmm.

So again pro forma liquidity, where.

Excuse me because of the acquisition and some working capital builds.

Or into our revolver to kind of 75-ish million that revolver has $500 million limit. And we believe that based on where our working capital is and we're funding availability is that if we wanted additional liquidity, we would not have a hard time finding it at all.

Liquidity, we would not have a hard time finding it at all.

Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of John Tumazos from very independent Research. Your line is open. Thank you very much. Is the temple steel acquisition going to be immediately accretive? Or is it something that over five to 10 years as electrification advances becomes robust but doesn't make a big difference in the short term? No, John, it's a profitable business and will be immediately accretive I think in this quarter there may be some purchase accounting. The first month or two. But this is a business that is in the steel processing world. We're excited for a lot of reasons about this business. It's a fantastic team they've got, a great market share globally.

Yeah.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of John Tumazos from very independent Research. Your line is open.

Thank you very much.

Is the temple acquisition going to be immediately accretive.

Or is it something that <unk>.

Over five to 10 years is electrification.

Advances becomes robust.

Doesn't make a big difference in the short term.

No John it's a profitable business and will be immediately accretive I think in this quarter there may be some purchase accounting.

The first month or two but.

This is a business that is in the steel processing world.

We're excited for a lot of reasons about this business. It's a fantastic team they've got, a great market share globally.

But the growth prospects are fantastic and you know when you throw on top of that that it's already a nicely profitable business, it's easy to get excited about the future. On the current balance sheet there was about 35 million for assets held for sale. What are those particular right and that was for sale are there any of that might command a little better than expected? Yeah, we don't expect those to vacillate a lot from valuations that are in there. John, those are a couple of assets that had been held for sale for quite a while. Actually one of our joint ventures. But don't expect anything kind of out of the ordinary to take place there.

At night nicely profitable business, it's a it's easy to get excited about the future.

On the current balance sheet.

There was about 35 million for assets held for sale.

What are those particular right and that was for sale are there any of that might.

Command, a little better than expected.

Yeah, we don't we don't expect those too.

Vacillate a lot from valuations that are in there.

John those are those are a couple of assets that had been held for sale for quite a while actually one of our joint ventures, but.

Don't expect anything kind of out of the ordinary to take place there.

The only other thing I would add, John, to that is there's not a meaningful amount of profitability associated with those assets held for sale. That helps. Yeah. Inventory account rose to $840 million in all three categories raw materials work in process finished products grows a lot. Your sales in the second quarter looked very good or normal. And as you mentioned, the steel price fell since September throughout the quarter. So is the reasonable explanation that when the mills started to have less orders all your steel showed up early?

That helps.

Yeah.

Inventory.

Rose to $840 million.

All three categories raw materials work in process finished products Rosemont.

Your sales in the second quarter looked very good or normal.

And as you mentioned steel price fell since September throughout the quarter.

So is the reasonable explanation.

That.

When the mills started to have less orders all your steel showed up early.

No, I think, John, there's just a lag effect I mean, the steel that we buy comes in when the price fell as you would well know in the last three-ish weeks. So the benefit of those lower prices, you have to wait. We're buying steel primarily I mean, probably two thirds to three quarters, but still we buy is on contracts that are either monthly or quarterly contracts. We, you know some of it we do buy spot, but only the spot prices would have a benefited us in this quarter. [inaudible] in the wood business there were big delays in the producers getting prices up in the second half of last year. And the retailers made out like bandits. The Home Depot might've made more per unit and the people that manufactured the wood. Then when the wood prices started to fall in June, Home Depot didn't kind of as a price for a month. It made out on the way up and on the way down better than the mills. And the times were very compressed where when the prices fell they fell fast and completely like in a month or two. And the steel, do you expect your customers to reduce your prices before you can cut the cost of the steel that's coming in?

We're buying steel.

Merrily I mean, probably two thirds to three quarters, but still we buy is on contracts that are either monthly or quarterly contracts. We you know some of it we do buy spot, but only the spot prices would have a benefit out of us in this quarter.

[inaudible] in the wood business there were big delays in the producers getting prices up in the second half of last year. And the retailers made out like bandits. The Home Depot might've made more per unit and the people that manufactured the wood. Then when the wood prices started to fall in June, Home Depot didn't kind of as a price for a month. It made out on the way up and on the way down better than the mills. And the times were very compressed where when the prices fell they fell fast and completely like in a month or two. And the steel, do you expect your customers to reduce your prices before you can cut the cost of the steel that's coming in?

There were.

Big delays.

The producers getting prices up in the second half of last year.

The retailers made out like bandits.

Home depot Might've made more per unit and the people that manufactured the wood.

Then when the wood prices started to fall in June.

Home depot didn't kind of as a price for a month.

It made it made out on the way up and on the way down better than the mills.

And the times were very compressed where when the prices fell they fell fast and completely like in a month or two.

And and still do you expect.

Your customers to reduce your prices.

Before you can cut the cost of the steel that's coming in.

Yeah, I mean, it's that's a little bit of a unique situation, John. I'd hate to speculate. Answer one way or the other on that one. Not sure I completely understand the question if you want to take another shot at it. And maybe I'll try. I[inaudible] If the price goes down in the market instantly, where you have incoming steel that you can't stop with the higher prices. Yeah. So I mean, 100% I appreciate the analogy with lumber and we we all watch that but you know obviously, we don't buy on a contract and sell spot, as Andy mentioned, almost all of what we're selling has been contracted for at specific prices and so there'll be some vacillation. And we think we think our folks are the best in the world at understanding how things are trending and where things are going.

Answer one way or the other on that one.

Not sure I completely understand the question if you want to take another shot at it and maybe I'll try Jon It's Joe Brian should go down in the market instantly, where you have incoming steel that you can't stop with the higher prices.

Yeah. So.

So I mean, I, 100% I appreciate the analogy with lumber and we all we all watch that but you know obviously.

don't buy on a contract and sell spot, as Andy mentioned, almost all of what we're selling has been contracted for at specific prices and so there'll be some vacillation. And we think we think our folks are the best in the world at understanding how things are trending and where things are going.

But it probably will not work that way as if you know where we're selling through our retail type of establishment yeah. The other the other if you're talking I mean every business is a little different John but I think your question is specific to the steel company you remember that the way we run this business is primarily through contracts and we mirror the contracts. So when a customer comes and says I want to buy on a quarterly C. R. U we buy from the mill on that quarterly C. R U and we match those contracts so that they when the price moves they move in lockstep, what ends up affecting our earnings where we get the FIFO gains and losses is essentially what we call our base inventory. The amount of inventory that we need in our system to run the business and so we get gains and losses based on that.

So when a customer comes and says I want to buy on a quarterly C. R. U we buy from the mill on that quarterly C. R U and we match those contracts so that they when the price moves they move in lockstep, what ends up affecting our earnings where we get the FIFO gains and losses is essentially what we call our base inventory.

The amount of inventory that we need in our system to run the business and so we get gains and losses based on that.

So given what you've said and the receivables and inventory should be falling with prices in the February quarter.

Should we expect that 75 million drawn on the revolver to be paid during the quarter.

Hey, Mike.

There might be a bit more of a lag just given the cash conversion cycle, John my or our anticipation is that our working capital builds will probably plateau and then begin to reverse themselves late in Q3. So.

February but then more pronounced in our Q4, so by year end it might be repaid.

I would anticipate having one will won't make some money, but two we expect to have a a.

Reasonable release of working capital by our year end.

Are there any of the Jv's.

They have managed inventory better or worse than the Worthington.

Consolidated balance sheet, we see.

Okay.

Yeah, I would say the jv's are.

Again, they're all they're all unique in their own right.

But if you're specifically referring to wave in car T. J. You know those are those are unique businesses, but I would say both of them have done exceptional work in terms of managing their inventory and managing price to try and stay ahead of cost inflation in their environment.

Clark Dietrich.

Has I think had a more orderly market than maybe in past cycles are with competition sort of behaving.

More rationally and so that's enabled them to do better on that front, but you know theres still you know it wasn't that long ago.

Or two back where we're talking about steel supply chain issues, where people couldn't even get steel and so the those issues have somewhat subsided not not completely but even if you wanted to build a bunch of inventory in many cases it wasn't possible.

Thank you and good luck.

Thanks, John Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Tristan <unk> from BNP Paribas. Your line is open.

Yes, hi, Thank you for taking my questions.

First on the inventory.

Full losses, moving forward would you be able to get it they do color and try to quantify the impact.

Do you expect to see you next quarter and also if you're able to quantify the headwind from the scrap gap as well.

Sure so attrition on the inventory.

Holding losses, we expect them to be significant though not as high as the our FIFO gains were in this current quarter.

That's.

Helpful and with respect to the scrap gap, we we expect that to peak in our Q3.

And obviously you can plot that but it's a it's a it's a very significant when you've got scrap at $640 in steel you know $1000 higher than that.

It is it is a headwind for us.

It's not a linear equation.

Because we have a.

Lots of tools at our disposal to try in.

Minimize the impact that that has on us, but it will be an impact.

For us probably on the order and we don't talk about it this way, but probably on the order of slightly more than it was this quarter.

Alright, that's helpful.

And on the Temple acquisition is closed and you said hey.

Do you expect to be immediately accretive can you give us a bit of more color on what kind of on a normalized basis. This business should contribute to to Worthington.

Yeah.

We talked about it you know the way, we we believe that net of inventory holding gains that they had that there is that that's a.

35 ish million dollar EBITDA business, right, maybe a bit more than that we think that any.

Andy mentioned this earlier there'll be some.

Counting but you get through that.

Very very excited about the market growth in those businesses, but we also believe it's one of the rationales for us making that acquisition that we will be able to help that business further penetrate some automotive customers.

And I'm really excited about that business and that leadership team.

Teaching us and that we will get better as a result of being around them and then vice versa. So.

There will be some capital required as that business grows not in the near term not in the next 90 or 180 days, but as that business grows.

We'll be evaluating additional capital projects that will facilitate the growth that we know is coming now and that we intend to be really on the front end up.

Alright, that's that's interesting in and just to follow up on that.

Is the Capex guidance I think last quarter, you said it would be $90 million for this fiscal year that maintain.

I think that's right yeah, it'll it'll it'll be it'll be just under on a run rate basis, just under $100 million.

Alright, Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you once again as a reminder, if you have a question just press star and then the number one on your telephone keypad, Ken Just press Star and then the number one on your telephone keypad.

Yeah.

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Alright, well thanks, everyone for joining us today, everyone have a great holiday season, and we'll look forward to speaking to you in 2022.

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