Q4 2021 Embraer SA Earnings Call
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the audio conference call for Embraer hours work.
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Your friend functional currency participants on today's conference call are Mr. Francisco Gomes Neto, President and CEO , Mr. Antonio Carlos Garcia, Chief Financial Officer at procurement and Mr. Leonardo Shinohara director of Investor Relations I would like now to turn the call.
Friends over to Mr. Gordon This is Matt who will proceed with the first remarks is off to a 2021 fourth quarter and 2021 full years results. Please go ahead Sir.
Good morning, and thank you all for joining our fourth quarter.
Our results call today.
I hope that all of you are well and safe.
Thank you for your interest.
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Before I started this conference I would like to express our solidarity with the Ukrainian people.
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While it can fall in real time causes huge consternation for all of us at Embraer.
At this moment, our thoughts are with the families who have lost their loved ones and we support everyone was working directly for the immediate and of this conflict and the restoration of peace in the region.
And you will see later and then punish the ambition.
For the quarter were line with our guidance, while cash generation came a booth.
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The Q4 2021 results continued to show its always strategically planning with brink.
Don't you both positive results for the company.
Before we go into more financial details on the fourth quarter I'd like to recap.
Key strategic pillars.
First on growth.
Our commercial aviation has a rebound and we are continuing with a good momentum on our executive aviation.
Our total backlog reaches 70 billion.
On the back of 92 commercial jets so.
The 43, one and 50 twos.
The book to Bill for Executive Aviation is two to one.
Service and support was also a beauty focus achieving about.
$2 5 billion in backlog.
On defense and Securities.
Several of these campaigns are ongoing.
A big driver.
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Strategic partnerships for future business.
Chile with our CST magazine venue.
Overall.
The company's total sales, reaching six 6 billion in 2021 , which all have contributed to cash generation with the advanced payments from clients.
Secondly, inkjet pricing efficiency.
I wanted to just the EBIT improvement over 260 million in 2021 compared to 2020.
Sydney, 11% revenue increase.
Higher adjusted EBIT in 2021 was driven mainly by the increase of inefficient from the fit for growth.
<unk> initiatives.
An example was 50% improvement.
Victor return in 2021.
The footprint optimization with sale of every.
<unk>, a small plants able to cut through.
The shutdown of auto fulfillment revenue, Connecticut, and the spare parts distribution centers consolidation, both in Europe and the USA.
Also significant contributions from our world class procurement.
Washington, This time and cost reduction projects.
More importantly, this Peter.
Peter has resulted in a strong evolution on free cash flow and an overall improvement in financial metrics.
Our financial net debt reduced by 300 million.
Third innovation.
This is part of our history and a major driver of growth for this company.
An example of this is <unk>.
<unk> is a nice sign a partnership to explore.
And mobility business.
Other important investments on new segments are doable broke new generation.
Fraser.
Future concepts under study like the energy of family all projects. We are very excited to talk about.
Last but not least I'd like to emphasize that we have a strong culture of safety.
One team spirit and results orientation.
Yes, Jim.
Many new developments, we have objected targets for the environment.
We expect to reach carbon neutrality by 2040.
More efficient and reduction in admissions as well.
We hope to use more stuff.
Stain avoids the issue for you.
100% renewable energy in our scope one let's tool.
Can you scope three we hope to become net zero by 2050, developing new technologists aircraft, 100% SaaS compatible and more airframe efficiency.
The social front, we also have targets.
50% diverse hires in all new entry level programs.
20% of women in senior leadership positions by 2025.
A pool of more than 80% of students at Embraer at high schools and public universities.
50, <unk> hundred people for minority groups by 2025 on the social tax program.
New professional training and technology.
Governance, we have a robust ethics and compliance program the highest international standards of governance, and very high safety standards products alignment with international requirements.
I will now hand, it over to Antonio to give further details on the financial results.
Thank you.
You.
Thank you Fred and good morning, everyone.
I'd like to aspire to the performance of our business units.
He has a great spread pharma, so far our business unit despite.
You still be in a recovery from the pandemic.
In commercial aviation, we delivered 16 jets.
In the fourth quarter and 48 Jets in 2021.
The increase of 9%.
Year on year.
With the rebound of regional aviation.
With 92 aircrafts sold in 2012.
One of which 15 were.
Mitchell 195.
We are seeing strong demand recovery, especially in the domestic markets.
The book to Bill for a commercial view is two to one.
Adjusted EBITDA margin of 3% in Q4 and minus one seven in 2021.
In a vacuum aviation we are.
Excited.
With the performance and have delivered that in I guess in the fourth quarter, reaching.
Reaching 92 deaths for the year.
I throw it back to work across the entire portfolio.
We had our historical quarterly and year to say, yes, we are.
Book to bill ratio in excess of Chihuahua.
Adjusted EBITDA margin of 30.
Two six in Q4, 'twenty, one and eight inch.
In 2021.
Another great year.
We have has been the best selling a zip jeep liked yet.
Less.
10 years.
Continuing to our defense and security audits.
We have finalized an agreement with the Brazilian Air Force, reducing total up KC 398 grants from 'twenty to 'twenty, two with deliveries until 2030.
In Q4, we had a one time adjustment as a result of this agreement.
And I had the back log of reduction.
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And no cash impact of 43 million on the operation results.
We are extremely happy with Florida Cyber security business.
Our cybersecurity company Brooks revenue record record posting 40% growth.
2003.
Revenues.
We had an adjusted EBIT.
EBIT margin of minus nine 7% in Q4 'twenty one.
What did your points percentage points year on year.
Even considering the.
The Brazilian airports agreement adjustment, we had a year ago adjusted EBIT margin of three 8% in 2000.
It serves to support the event has region.
Pandemic levels, and we have signed more than certain of them in 95 countries, whereas equity valuations with inspections aircrafts enhancements and special product.
Our backlog rose more than 20% each of those.
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Year on year basis.
Adjusted EBIT margin of 16, 7% in Q4 'twenty one.
31% as your points year on year, and a strong annual adjusted EBITDA Martie.
43%.
Thank you.
We'd like seven moving to deliveries.
Overall, we had them more evenly spread base of deliveries compared to 2008 because of the pandemic.
On demand.
In the fourth quarter, we delivered 16 commercial jets and 39 <unk> units for a total of 55 aircrafts during the periods.
Even with some supplier of <unk>.
At the end of the year, we were able to fulfill our customer expectations.
The 16 deliveries in commercial aviation represents 45% decline on a year on year basis, we cannot typical delivers a multitude of for 2020.
Deutsch and the funding.
Of the 16 deliver its June 12, we were at $1 75, and four agents.
We haven't started to see higher sales momentum for both you want any two family of commercial paper, which is a positive.
We have delivered in 2021, 48 aircraft, which is reaching our 2021 guidance of $45 <unk>.
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The deliberate in Q4 represents a 10% decline year on year basis, Deutsche or disable leaves us commercial aviation overall.
Overall, we have delivered in 2021 93 Jets, which is also within our guidance of 90 to 95 aircrafts in 2020.
It is like the eight we start with our backlog.
We ended the fourth quarter.
Our backlog of <unk> two.
$2 billion.
Reaching its highest value.
The second quarter of 2018.
That's the 18% increase with a $2 6 billion addition.
One year.
Internet revenue.
Third quarter net revenue was $1 3 billion.
Down, 41% and year on year.
The decrease is due to the pandemic impacting 2020, which closely integrate that delivers enhanced revenues.
The fourth quarter of Chipmos upgrades versus.
Normalized delivery flow with spread out in the yard for 2021.
Net revenue each a pathway to one was $4 2 billion.
11% from last year.
We had solid revenue growth as all business unit plus a higher revenue.
2020, except for defense.
The commercial and executive aviation we.
We had better sales mix and Margaret aircrafts to deliver 2021.
It serves to support the overall positive revenue contribution increasing for all segments.
Important to note that 92% of our total revenue.
Strong exports, which shows our global outreach.
Overall.
We reached 2021 guidance with the net revenue within the four.
And $4 5 billion range.
Moving on.
Adjusted the beach and the beta that.
We are very encouraged by the continued improvement in margin performance for the company.
For the fourth quarter on a consolidated basis, our adjusted EBIT margin was four 3%.
And our adjusted EBITDA margin was $8 two.
Decrease of zero point to one percentage points 0.3 percentage points on a year on year basis, respectively.
One our year to date adjusted EBIT margin was 4%.
And adjusted EBITDA at eight 6%.
Both.
Well above last year and within our outlook range of 3% to 4% for adjusted EBITDA.
Eight five to $9 5 million to adjusted EBITDA for 2021.
On a dollar basis adjusted the beach.
167 million.
Compared to a loss of two one.
$1 million each a thousand please.
Adjusted EBITDA was $363 million compared to 82 million each of Basel III.
Our EBITDA would have been better.
We did not hedge.
Additional costs that you are treated at corporate level.
Related to Haynesville duration.
Average ratio plus.
The improvement in EBIT due to that.
Results.
Our fit for growth initiatives.
As <unk> looked at SG&A.
<unk> as a whole continued strict trade with favorably over the past years.
SC G&A down $360 million or so.
23% decline.
2019 figures.
Selling expenses were down from 256.
$6 billion to $230 million.
Due to our focus on more cost effective ways to reach our customers.
General and administrative expenses were up from $143 million above the plant to $153 million a thousand breakthrough.
It is important to note that we remain highly focused on SG&A efficiencies and apply Lee.
You spoke to it.
On the investment we had we have a more normalized leverage above the 21 with a 20% increase in combined books.
Capex and R&D.
We continue to optimize our capital allocation includes the divestitures and program with prioritization.
Slide 11, I'd like first to highlight our remarkable.
Adjusted free cash flow in two publicly one was $292 billion.
This is well above our 100 <unk> are better.
More efficient inventory management.
A production plan in servicing as an objective in commercial aviation and adult payments associated with these sales.
<unk> led to our positive cash flow from here.
Adjusted net result was a loss of $29 million.
Or wait for <unk> behaviour.
Although negative.
Net results is trading up.
Driven primarily by our revenue growth.
And as our topline growth, our fixed cost leverage and financial leverage will improve providing an additional positive impact.
Furthermore, the company targeting a positive net results for 2022 quarters.
This next slide shows our cash in question its position.
We ended the year with $2 6 billion cash and cash equivalents, our total debt at the end of 2014.
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With our net debt was $1.
We reduced 300 billion.
Each of positive brain tumor.
It is important to highlight that our net debt EBITDA ratio decreased from 256 times to three five times each of 2021.
This is up two one times declined in just two years.
Our.
Average debt maturity decreased to three seven years.
We remain focused on generating cash reduce our debt levels and improve our credit metrics.
If our rethink bonds mature in 2022 23 <unk>.
Buyback of $289 million with debt, our average debt maturity decrease about four years.
I will now guide you through our outlook for 2022 without <unk>.
We have an increase.
Our range of deliveries for 2022 due to the uncertainty that we are seeing recent events. We are working very closely with our suppliers to overcome the quality challenging situations.
For our commercial aviation, we forecast 60 to 70 aircrafts and <unk> under 200 and yet deliver.
For revenue, we forecast for $5 to $5 billion.
For adjusted EBIT margin three five to four 5%.
For adjusted EBITDA margin 82, 9%.
And for free cash flow.
Forecast $50 million or better.
With that I conclude my presentation and headed back to Francis for his final remarks.
You very much.
Thanks Anthony.
Fourth quarter and year end results reinforce our confidence in our strategy.
Before we do a quick recap I'd like to briefly highlight about our European air mobility each.
The leasing at New York Stock Exchange and closing is expected for this second quarter.
With total investments of about 500 million, which includes back and strategic investors.
The anticipated pro forma enterprise value is two.
$2 4 billion.
Has the strategic support from <unk>.
Access to infrastructure.
Expensive aircraft certification and matter of fact, we experience.
And already established global network of services and support.
Collective corporate team and engineers as major Differentiators from other projects.
Finally, we have strategic partners such as Skywest.
Public Airways.
<unk> systems growth.
<unk> zero false and Paris, who know very well our capabilities.
I think it is always important to mention that the Russia, Ukraine conflict should not bring supply disruption the mid term.
We have working on stocking some strategic items.
Our 'twenty to 'twenty two guidance shows another positive free cash flow for the full year.
On the good momentum of the company with a mix of a recovery and growth keeping our strong focus on the top line and higher profitability.
We hope to deliver net profit in 2022.
While as expected our strategic projects generate free cash flow. So they can finance it via growth.
Our liabilities, we seek the best capital structure with liquidity enhance.
Finally, our focus on our pillars of growth efficiency innovation and messaging.
Safety first.
Also re entered the culture and one team spirit.
Thank you to our great team for their focus and passion and creative disruptive sustainable technologies.
Executing our strategic plan.
Thank you for your interest and confidence in our company.
Thank you.
I always start the question and answer session. We ask you who are interested in asking questions that any time press star one wait to be called in the way. Your name has announced that make sure. Your microphone is on and start your question again.
Everyone. The chance to participate we request you ask you just one question per call.
Our first question comes from while while Cowen UBS.
Thanks, Good morning.
Was hoping envelope on the guidance for 2022 that you could perhaps give a little bit more color by segment and in particular.
Given the margin pressure you had in 2021 and defense I would have expected the margins too.
At the midpoint be better than 2021, so maybe if you can just give some color there.
Hello, Michael.
Speaking thanks for your question.
So basically what you're seeing in regards to guidance for 2020.
One by the way, we know that maybe don't like too much and we don't like either but we haven't.
Each vaccine remember that's not helping.
Helping us for 2022, as we would like to see but.
Basically what we are seeing with regards to margin by segment.
It's tracking well.
Commercial aviation, we closed 2000 to almost minus one 7% and we do see a black zero for 2022.
With more one is but we do have.
<unk> costs for the <unk> spending the money.
And not capitalize it.
Thats why we are I do see a black from zero here.
So we still continue in the high single digit level for 2022.
Adult services Okay.
And defense.
One issue that is concerning to US right now we are close to.
2022 hours three 8% than we are.
So part of it a bit in 2000, and we do see a zero <unk>.
In 2022, because <unk>.
But it's worth it.
Sure.
Brazilian government here. Therefore, we are going to suffer in 2000 and that's.
One of our headwinds that we had in our guidance targets and supporting to see let's say constant margin the level, we closed for 2021, 14%.
If you put altogether is Martin I'll sneak into accounts.
We do have <unk>.
And the corporate level, which more or less eating up one 5%.
More or less.
100% margin with the integration.
Commercial aviation arbitration costs that we are not adjusted for you guys, but if we wanted to make an adjustment in Europe than they are going to see that we are at in the remainder of $6 savings to the business at hand.
A part of this extraordinary effects.
Is going to hit our numbers for 2022.
That's great color.
Yes.
So on the on the one eight embraer costs are I think you're implying something like $65 million and 22 does that go to zero in 'twenty three or we are we done in 'twenty two.
We cannot comment too much but I would say we do expect.
To finish.
I would say for two reasons.
As always.
Assuming that you cannot sell too much about the arbitration process.
Let's say the timeline should end up in 2023 Thats our hope.
So, let's see let's see.
Okay. Thank you I'll leave it to one question. Thanks again.
Thanks, Mike.
Our next question comes from Floris, Yeah Moshe Metlife.
Hi, guys congratulation.
Eric.
Two questions one a follow up with that guidance.
Free cash flow.
If you can comment on working capital S. Amazon on high yield debt.
And the other one.
Yes.
But if you have any any update on <unk>.
<unk> commented a couple of months ago.
Thanks, a lot.
On the name if you have any answer for them.
From the agency.
Any comment on that thank you.
Felicia I think I, probably can help you with the guidance, but I'd like you to repeat the question about ESG.
It wasn't able to understand we.
We have a greener without here to help but we need to understand better your question.
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Bossier Francisco I'm going to answer the question.
So you've got to be a cash flow we can see our.
Working capital stable 2022.
And the free cash flow guidance, you gave result of.
The includes the.
50 million or better because it includes also the <unk>.
Out of the.
Divest or.
Doing impossible that should contribute.
With $160 million for 2022, it's important to mention our outlook does not include.
And the question of <unk>.
Okay.
The legacy business that we have working capital fix.
The divestiture is going to help them.
Cash flow and the MSCI level going through entities.
<unk> about.
About MSCI.
Actually just got a message, stating that they have taken.
Everything in consideration. So we don't have any flag items MSCI. So ratings should reflect that so low more cluster bombs ammunition issues whatsoever.
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Thank you.
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Our next question comes from Josh Milberg Morgan Stanley .
Good morning, Francisco and I'm, Tony One thing. Thank you guys very much for the detailed presentation. I'll also had a follow up on the guidance and your indication that a breakeven EBIT margin could be a reasonable expectation for the commercial business in this year.
And what's specifically just hoping that you could comment a little further on the mix pricing and other key variables driving that invitation.
I think on the Portuguese call today with respect to price and you suggested that you expect it to keep pace with them quite lean place them for your overall operations.
But any additional color there would be great.
Okay Patrick.
The next question Josh.
And then I will.
No.
That's what I'm trying to help with the guidance.
So regarding the pricing.
We have followed very closely.
Movements.
Off price and costs.
I want to make sure that we are.
We are keeping a healthy situation for our margin.
We will continue with our initiatives.
Cost of economy.
This positive reduction projects that we have good with propulsion aircraft production lead time reduction.
We will continue focus a lot on growth initiatives.
And of course, if we see.
I mean back.
One of our.
<unk> got higher or products, we buy it at a higher.
The company says they don't have to pass on to the places that we are doing we are monitoring very closely.
That's right.
Yes.
Sure from our suppliers in the past where we've got.
Internal cost as well and finally, we'd like to clarify something about the guidance.
Good morning.
With regards to the mix for the commercial aviation.
Important to highlight that we do have and what you want.
2022, compared with 2021.
It's more or less 60% more you once were.
We do have just point to a more <unk> have.
They have a different mix, which impacts revenue because it has a lower ticket or ROI average price for the two do you want to choose and also impact the margins.
In regards to the price.
The price increase.
We do have in those platforms, something like 3%, let's say normal condition distillation, we're heavy on our contracts with our suppliers and customers.
And thats more or less the premises we had bathroom.
I'm not able to offset.
However, there is a risk to be in the market with hyper inflation, we're impacting or what it does and doesn't want.
<unk> for you right now.
Please.
No risk, but it could change next week or the next few days with no no, but I would say.
For the commercial aviation.
Martin <unk>.
Bringing the revenue a little bit.
Down.
He chose <unk>.
On top of it when the ambition that Marty you had invested $50 million for the three develop a CP, which is also impacting the margin for 2022.
If you validate the business case to make.
Capitalize it's for the thin air.
Bookings of course, some more.
That's what you see in the aviation.
Coming to a black zero, we hope throughout the year, we are able to improve a bit.
Hey, Mark.
Okay, great color I'm Tonio, Thank you Francisco as well.
Thank you you too.
Our next question comes from Marcelo Motta JP Morgan.
Hi, everyone just a follow up on the guidance.
For 2022, just to understand you always talk about general adjusted margins and adjusted EBITDA margin, but it seems that this year you guys are commenting about a negative impact of one five percentage points. All these adjusted margin coming from drink decoration cost for a while.
It'd be charged cost however, I mean I have been personally but every year you guys have been adjusting the margin for that sort of in on maybe the I don't know if the guidance you always including this one that is not really comparable to the margins that we were seeing in the previous year. So just want to make sure that we're getting this correct.
Marcella we'd never.
Hey.
In just two years in the company and I took a look back we never adjust the commvault archiving costs, it's more or less what they are talking about embedded.
Including this EBIT margin and the same for demonstration.
Linda if you would want to do a math, we don't consider that we received in Brad.
Better margin, what you have seen today, but you are not.
Adjusting the steel cost is included in our adjusted EBITDA.
Okay and do you think.
First I'll say that most of those costs will happen during the first quarter.
No.
No.
Yes.
The hit ratio, but for debit duration plus will be spread dogs.
Moreover trajectory.
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from my T is that now Bluebay asset.
Hi, thank.
Thank you very much I just wanted to double check.
Which ties up with their margins, but also the deliveries given the impact or given the effect that we're seeing on higher commodity prices.
How are you thinking you can handle that again I presume a fair bit of that is already factored in.
Our expected deliveries on your margins, which are roughly flat to this year, but if you can comment a little bit more on what what do you think the impact could be or how you would handle again higher commodity prices and also some of the challenges that.
Our manufacturing companies are facing such as semiconductor shortages. Thank you.
So thanks for the question.
I think Antonio Antonio already clarified this.
At this point of course.
Awesome clients right.
We are monitoring very closely at this moment, we have income.
Programs to offset to some price increase but the cost increase is our booth at all for what we are able to offset and Theres no alternative therefore faster through the price will have already somewhat escalation.
And our contracts either with suppliers.
And with customers.
Is that kind of protection.
Out of this than we have to discuss how to offset but we believe we are in a good position for further guidance in regards to noise. That's on its head.
Considering these situations right I mean, we believe we might have opportunities, but we prefer.
We have a committee with you that we will deliver at the end of the year.
And also I'm trying to also mention that in case of commercial aviation, we will have this $50 million of feedback.
Initial cost of the turboprop.
It will prove the business case by the end of this year beginning from next year. It will be you will become investments like at this point of time.
Compatible Ics as costs.
Our next question comes from Noah <unk> Goldman Sachs.
Yes.
Hey, good morning, everybody.
Morning.
Yes, it's a decent decent order year last year in commercial.
Seems like Theres, a lot of replacement potential.
Yeah, maybe you could just speak to.
How heavy the campaigning activity is maybe where you expect orders to come in.
In commercial in 2022, and then I guess, you know how how sort of how much visibility do you have for <unk>.
The delivery profile beyond this year.
Well I mean.
For the delivery deliveries this year.
We are facing some difficult through the supply chain, but we are working.
Very hard to anticipate issues.
And mitigate those risks as we did last year. This year, we did a good job. We also faced some issues with the supply chain, but we were able to deliver all the aircraft debt.
Same way we are.
We are growing in the <unk>.
This year in order to mitigate the issues.
Deliver the aircraft regarding sales I mean really we have a lot of things came things ongoing.
Commercial aviation.
Yes, we have to have this.
The potential impact of the war.
Oil price decrease, but also maybe some upsides because.
The domestic market will be less affected than the long flight.
We have the most efficient aircraft in the market. So maybe this will be an upside before our sales.
During this year.
And where do you think the adjusted EBITDA margin can go over time once you've recovered pre pandemic commercial volume.
We do see an hour.
In the immediate term.
Neither receivables Marty it's important to measure adult services may seem good services, we'd be much higher than the same we did $1 seven you said that.
The services side that would be positive.
Mid single B already took over going to them. We only aircraft sales, we do see mid term mid single digit margin.
And Noah Julien.
Just to give you one more.
He didn't spend perspective.
And our plan we have the potential.
The double the revenue of the company in five years from now.
But we are pushing a lot of revenues.
There are no programs.
Efficient.
This year.
We have we have some growth of Gucci.
Obviously the guidance, but we are still suffering some impact of some <unk>.
So ordinary course.
Okay I just wanted to ask we overcome this.
A difficult short term vehicles I think the perspective is very positive for the following years.
Enjoying the growth of our revenues and the growth in the market.
What kind of total company adjusted EBITDA margin would you expect if you were to achieve that doubling of the revenue.
No.
Or are being used to be.
Higher single digits, Marty and also cover the capital capital costs in the immediate term is.
And then higher.
<unk> sorry.
And I hope I hope that <unk> reached you'll see much of an RFP.
Again, if you would.
Yes.
Except of.
Cost of debt diluted Youll face here, we would be already in the range of 6%.
2020, we close with 4% without these hit from Brazilian Air Force with Vietnam, both fiber already.
That's why we have to face in this let's say.
In fact from the first transaction with this joint venture units.
Part of it's the business is showing that.
Zealand right, let's say growth above 8% in the north and that's our brand Thats our dream.
And we showed that day. So that's a that's a EBIT EBIT a or EBIT number.
Number.
At ABB.
Yes.
Okay great.
Okay. Thank you so much I appreciate it okay. Thank you.
Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session I know so embarrassed audio conference call for today. Thank you very much for your participation.
Good day.
Yeah.