Q4 2021 Hanover Insurance Group Inc Earnings Call

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Speaker 1: Good day and welcome to the Hanover Insurance Group's fourth quarter earnings conference call. My name is Chuck and I'll be your operator for today. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode.

Good day and welcome to the Hanover Insurance group's fourth quarter earnings Conference call. My name is Chuck and I'll be your operator for today.

At this time all participants are in a listen only mode.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our quarterly conference call. We will begin today's call with prepared remarks from Jack Roach, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and their Farber R.O.T. Financial Officer. Available to answer your questions after our prepared remarks are Brian Salvatore, President of Specialty Lines, and Declavie, President of Agency Mark.

Thank you operator, good morning, and thank you for joining us for our quarterly conference call. We will begin today's call with prepared remarks from Jack Roche, Our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jeff Farber, Our Chief Financial Officer available to answer your questions. After our prepared remarks are Bryan Salvatore President of specialty line.

And <expletive> Lavey President of agency markets before I turn the call over to Jack Let me note that our earnings press release financial supplement and a complete slide presentation for today's call are available in the investors section of our website at Www Dot Hanover Dot com after the presentation, we will.

Speaker 2: Before I turn the call over to Jack, let me note that our earnings press release, financial supplement and a complete slide presentation for today's call, are available in the Investor section of our website at www.hannover.com. After the presentation, we will answer questions in the Q&A session. Our prepared remarks and responses to your questions today, other than statements of historical fact, include forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Security's Litigation Reform Act of 1995, regarding, among other things, our outlook and guidance for 2022, the ongoing impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, economic conditions and related impacts.

Answer questions in the Q&A session, our prepared remarks and responses to your questions today other than statements of historical fact include forward looking statements as defined under the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding among other things our outlook and guidance for 2022.

The ongoing impacts of the COVID-19, pandemic economic conditions and related impact and other risks and uncertainties that could affect the company performance and or cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. We caution you with respect to reliance on forward looking statements and in this.

Speaker 2: and other risks and uncertainties that could affect company performance and or cause actual results to defer materially from those anticipated. We caution you with respect to reliance on forward-looking statements, and in this respect refer you to the forward-looking statements section in our press release, the presentation deck, and our filings with the S.

As respect to refer you to the forward looking statements section in our press release, the presentation deck and our filings with the SEC.

Speaker 2: Today's discussion will also reference certain non- GAAP financial measures, such as operating income and accident-year loss and combined ratios, excluding catastrophes among others.

Today's discussion will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as operating income and accident share loss and combined ratios excluding catastrophes among others.

Speaker 2: A reconciliation of these non- GAAP financial measures to the closest gap measure on a historical basis can be found in the press release, the flight presentation, or the financial supplement, which are posted on our website, as I mentioned earlier. With those comments, I will turn the call over to Jack.

A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the closest GAAP measure on a historical basis can be found in the press release, the slide presentation or the financial supplement which are posted on our website as I mentioned earlier with those comments I will turn the call over to Jack.

Speaker 3: Thank you, Aksana. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I'll begin today's call with a discussion of our fourth quarter performance and full-year financial highlights in the context of the current business and economic environment.

Thank you Oksana good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us I'll begin today's call with a discussion of our fourth quarter performance and full year financial highlights in the context of the current business and economic environment.

Speaker 3: I'll then provide an overview of our strategic and business accomplishments for the year and our high level expectations for 2022.

I'll, then provide an overview of our strategic and business accomplishments for the year and our high level expectations for 2022.

Jeff will review our financial results in more detail and discuss our 2022 guidance and then we'll be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 3: Jeff will review our financial results in more detail and discuss our 2022 guidance. And then we'll be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 3: 2021 was an outstanding year for our company. I am extremely proud of the way our talented team navigated the challenges of an exceedingly complex market environment and executed on our key business imperatives, building even more on the strong, strategic, operational, and financial momentum we have established over the past several years.

2021 was an outstanding year for our company I'm extremely proud of the way our talented team navigated the challenges of an exceedingly complex market environment and executed on our key business imperatives building, even more on this strong strategic operational and financial momentum we have established.

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Speaker 3: Considering what was an extremely active catastrophe year for our industry and our company, we are very pleased with our financial performance.

Considering what was an extremely active catastrophe year for our industry and our company. We are very pleased with our financial performance highlighted by operating income per share of $8.73 and an operating return on equity of 11, 2%.

Speaker 3: highlighted by operating income per share of $8.73 and an operating return on equity of 11.2%.

We achieved a sub Ninety's X cat combined ratio for the year and generated record net written premium of $5 billion, reflecting the success of our distinctive and winning strategy.

Speaker 3: We achieved a sub-90s X-Cat combined ratio for the year and generated record net written premium of $5 billion, reflecting the success of our distinctive and winning strategy.

Speaker 3: For the fourth quarter, we delivered outstanding results, posting our best ever quarterly operating earnings performance.

For the fourth quarter, we delivered outstanding results posting our best ever quarterly operating earnings performance.

In the face of higher inflation and evolving loss trends, we took advantage of the opportunities presented by a particularly dynamic market fully.

Speaker 3: In the face of higher inflation and evolving lost trends, we took advantage of the opportunities presented by a particularly dynamic market. Fully leveraging our strong agent partnerships, broad and innovative capabilities, and organizational agility, posting a 16.8% operating return on equity, and a combined ratio of 92.9%.

Fully leveraging our strong agent partnerships broad and innovative capabilities and organizational agility, posting a 16.8% operating return on equity and a combined ratio of 92, 9%.

Speaker 3: Our results continue to demonstrate our ability to drive broad-based profitable growth through strong market awareness, excellent portfolio management, and financial discipline.

Our results.

We continue to demonstrate our ability to drive broad based profitable growth through strong market awareness excellent portfolio management and financial discipline.

Speaker 3: Looking first at growth, we gained considerable momentum over the course of the year, capping 2021 with a 9.2% net-written premium increase in the fourth quarter, and 8.6% for the full year.

Looking first at growth we gained considerable momentum over the course of the year capping 2021 with a nine 2% net written premium increased in the fourth quarter and eight 6% for the full year.

Speaker 3: Each of the growth levers we discussed last September at our investor day, agency penetration, specialized products, and a focus on innovation contributed to our growth moment.

Each of the growth levers, we discussed last September at our Investor Day agency penetration specialized products and a focus on innovation contributed to our growth momentum.

Speaker 3: Additionally, each of our major segments exceeded our original growth expectations, demonstrating the strength of our market position, the appeal of our select agency strategy, and the effectiveness of our customer centric strategy.

Additionally, each of our major segments exceeded our original growth expectations, demonstrating the strength of our market position. The appeal of our select agency strategy in the effectiveness of our customer centric strategy.

Speaker 3: We believe our high quality product portfolio in combination with our consistent and segmented pricing strategy position us exceptionally well to continue to deliver sustainable, profitable growth going forward.

We believe our high quality product portfolio in combination with our consistent and segmented pricing strategy position us exceptionally well to continue to deliver sustainable profitable growth going forward.

From an underwriting perspective 2021 included some of the most dynamic loss trends, we've ever experienced in the P&C industry from property volatility inflation and severe weather to changes in auto loss trends and court delays.

Speaker 3: From an underwriting perspective, 2021 included some of the most dynamic lost trends we've ever experienced in the P&C industry.

Speaker 3: from property volatility, inflation, and severe weather to changes in auto-loss trends and court delays.

Speaker 3: In the face of these and other challenges, we posted an 88.6% XCAT combined ratio for the year, one of the best on record, while also outperforming the guidance we had provided to the street.

In the face of these and other challenges we posted an 88.6% ex cat combined ratio for the year one of the best on record while also outperforming the guidance we had provided to the street.

Speaker 3: Our underwriting and pricing discipline, combined with our diversified portfolio, has enabled us to deliver broad-based profitability across our business.

Our underwriting and pricing discipline combined with our diversified portfolio has enabled us to deliver broad based profitability across our business.

The investments we have made in data analytics and our cross functional collaboration inspire additional confidence in our ability to anticipate loss trends and adjust our underwriting and pricing accordingly, providing significant agility, while focusing on long term value creation.

Speaker 3: The investments we have made in data analytics and our cross-functional collaboration inspire additional confidence in our ability to anticipate lost trends and adjust our underwriting and pricing accordingly, providing significant agility while focusing on long-term value creation.

Speaker 3: Our strong results for the fourth quarter and for the full year reflect earning in of rate increases above loss trends in commercial lines and a thoughtful pricing strategy in personal lines.

Our strong results for the fourth quarter and for the full year reflect earning in of rate increases above loss trend in commercial lines and a thoughtful pricing strategy in personal lines.

Speaker 3: As we close out 2021, we are delivering higher margins compared to pre-COVID levels, which demonstrates our ability to successfully navigate market dynamics, and to continue to increase the earnings power of our organization.

As we close out 2021, we are delivering higher margins compared to pre COVID-19 levels, which demonstrates our ability to successfully navigate market dynamics and to continue to increase the earnings power of our organization.

Turning to our strategic accomplishments for 2021.

Speaker 3: Turning to our strategic accomplishments for 2021.

Speaker 3: We continue to strengthen our relationships with our agent partners, delivering even more value to them and helping them meet the constantly changing needs of our mutual customers.

We continued to strengthen our relationships with our agent partners, delivering even more value to them and helping them meet the constantly changing needs of our mutual customers.

We continued as well to support our agents with an array of product innovations and technology investments designed to enhance the customer experience and give our agent partners the tools they need to achieve their business results.

Speaker 3: We continued as well to support our agents with an array of product innovations and technology investments designed to enhance the customer experience and give our agent partners the tools they need to achieve their business results.

Speaker 3: We also made further enhancements to our agency insight tool, providing our agents with unparalleled market insight and helping them drive their business strategies forward.

We also made further enhancements to our agency insights tool, providing our agents with unparalleled market insight and helping them drive their business strategies forward.

Speaker 3: As <expletive> Lavy illustrated at our investor day, this tool also plays a critical role in the increasingly important agency appointment press.

As <expletive> Lavey illustrated at our Investor Day. This tool also plays a critical role in the increasingly important agency appointment process in 2021, we.

Speaker 3: In 2021, we made more than 350 agency appointments across personal lines and small commercial, helping to further drive new business production and geographic diversification.

We made more than 350 agency appointments across personal lines and small commercial helping to further drive new business production and geographic diversification.

Speaker 3: On the technology and analytics side, our new claim system and small commercial tap fails platform are among the 2021 accomplishments that are poised to deliver meaningful benefits going forward.

And the technology and analytics side, our new claims system and small commercial tap sales platform are among the 2021 accomplishments that are poised to deliver meaningful benefits going forward.

Turning to core commercial.

Speaker 3: Strong renewal retention, a healthy rebound in exposures, and robust rate increases help drive growth in this segment.

Strong renewal retention, a healthy rebound in exposures and robust rate increases helped drive growth in this segment.

Speaker 3: We gain significant traction in small commercial with the launch of our tap sales quoting platform, which has helped fuel new business growth.

We gained significant traction in small commercial with the launch of our tap sales quoting platform, which has helped fuel new business growth.

Speaker 3: Our small commercial business benefited during the year from an upward rate trajectory throughout the year, and we delivered growth of 8.3% for the year and 9.3% in the quarter.

Our small commercial business benefited during the year from an upward rate trajectory throughout the year and we delivered growth of eight 3% for the year and nine 3% in the quarter.

Speaker 3: We also made great strides in middle market as we continued to grow our most profitable segments and manage underwriting profitability in more challenging areas.

We also made great strides in middle market as we continued to grow our most profitable segments and manage underwriting profitability in more challenging areas.

Speaker 3: Targeted industry verticals such as technology, human services, and financial institutions are among the areas where we continue to drive strong profitable growth.

Targeted industry verticals, such as technology human services and financial institutions are among the areas, where we continued to drive strong profitable growth.

Speaker 3: In 2022, we believe our granular pricing capabilities will allow us to continue to push robust rate to less profitable lines and cultivate the most profitable sectors of our core commercial business.

In 2022, we believe our granular pricing capabilities will allow us to continue to push robust rate to less profitable lines and cultivate the most profitable sectors of our core commercial business.

Speaker 3: We expect the firm market to continue into the year as drivers of rate increases persist, most notably the rising costs of materials and labor.

We expect the firm market to continue into the year as drivers of rate increases persist, most notably the rising cost of materials and labor.

Speaker 3: Those catalysts, combined with our outstanding data and analytic capabilities, underwriting discipline, and unique strategy, should enable us to generate additional strong profitability and mid-single-digit growth in core commercial this year.

Those catalysts combined with our outstanding data and analytic capabilities underwriting discipline and unique strategy should enable us to generate additional strong profitability and mid single digit growth in core commercial this year.

Speaker 3: Our specialty business delivered stellar results in 2021, exceeding $1.3 billion in direct premiums written for the first time and $1.1 billion on a net basis, growing 11% for the year.

Our specialty business delivered stellar results in 2021 exceeding $1.3 billion in direct premiums written for the first time and $1.1 billion on a net basis growing 11% for the year.

Speaker 3: This performance underscores our strong product portfolio, distribution relationships, and market position.

This performance underscores our strong product portfolio distribution relationships and market position.

Speaker 3: For the full year, we achieved very robust growth with our most profitable specialty line.

For the full year, we achieved very robust growth with our most profitable specialty lines, including professional executive lines Marine and Hanover specialty industrial.

Speaker 3: including professional executive lines, Marine, and Hanover Specialty Industrial.

Speaker 3: At the same time, we continued to gain significant momentum in our newer specialty businesses, including the specialty coverages in the financial institution sector and retail E&F.

At the same time, we continued to gain significant momentum in our newer specialty businesses, including the specialty coverages in the financial institution sector and retail E&S.

Speaker 3: To further round out our portfolio, in 2021, we launched a new specialty general liability product for our agents.

To further round out our portfolio in 2021, we launched a new specialty general liability product for our agents.

Speaker 3: This exciting new product introduction fills the casualty space between CORE Commercial and E&S and advances our total handover initiative, making our specialty offerings accessible to more CORE Commercial customers.

This exciting new product introduction bills, the casualty space between core commercial and E&S and advances our total Hanover initiative, making our specialty offerings accessible to more core commercial customers.

With 11% net written premium growth for the year, we are on track to deliver on the specialty target of 10% long term CAGR that we shared with you at Investor Day.

Speaker 3: With 11% net written premium growth for the year, we are on track to deliver on the specialty target of 10% long-term CAGR that we shared with you at Investor Day.

Speaker 3: And even with the increase in weather-related property losses across the industry during 2021, our specialty book delivered a 92.9% combined ratio all-in and 87.9% excluding catastrophes, beating our ex-cat expectations for the year.

And even with the increase in weather related property losses across the industry. During 2021, our specialty book delivered a 92.9% combined ratio all in an 87.9% excluding catastrophes, beating our ex cat expectations for the year.

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Speaker 3: Our specialty business is optimally positioned to deliver significant and meaningful value to retail agents for small to mid-sized customers with a very diverse and unique offering. With eight different businesses, including 18 product areas, we have a breadth of product capabilities that agents need and that typically are available through large nationals or specialty carriers, oftentimes through the wholesale channel.

The business is optimally positioned to deliver significant and meaningful value to retail agents for small to mid size customers with a very diverse and unique offering with eight different businesses, including 18 product areas. We have a breadth of product capabilities that agents need and that typically are available through large nationals or specialty.

Carriers oftentimes through the wholesale channel.

Speaker 3: Simultaneously, we provide the high level of visibility and service agents often expect from top regional carriers, enabled by local market presence and coordination with core commercial lines.

Simultaneously, we provide the high level of visibility and service agents, often expect from top regional carriers naval by local market presence and coordination with core commercial lines.

Speaker 3: Our strategic focus is on continuing to advance the use of technology and specialty to meet the needs of our agents for greater efficiency and coverage placement and servicing of customers, as well as improving our own efficiency.

Our strategic focus is on continuing to advance the use of technology and specialty to meet the needs of our agents for greater efficiency and coverage placement and servicing of customers as well as improving our own efficiency.

Speaker 3: We'll also continue to build on our existing core commercial relationships, while thoughtfully executing our targeted wholesale strategy to complement our retail distribution, as not all large and mid-sized agents place some of this business directly.

We'll also continue to build on our existing core commercial relationships, while thoughtfully executing our targeted wholesale strategy to complement our retail distribution as not all large and mid size agents placed some of this business directly.

Speaker 3: We expect to continue to leverage our strong specialty platform through our best agents to deliver excellent growth and strong profitability in 2022 and beyond. We are confident this business will be a significant contributor to our overall growth in the years ahead.

We expect to continue to leverage our strong specialty platform through our best agents to deliver excellent growth and strong profitability in 2022 and beyond we are confident this business will be a significant contributor to our overall growth in the years ahead.

Speaker 3: With that in mind, I am pleased to share with you this morning that beginning in the first quarter of 2022, we will break out our specialty business as a separate financial segment, giving you much greater detail into the growth and profitability drivers of what has become our fastest growing business. Jeff will discuss our process and thinking shortly.

With that in mind I am pleased to share with you. This morning that beginning in the first quarter of 2022, we will break out our specialty business as a separate financial segment, giving you much greater detail into the growth and profitability drivers of what has become our fastest growing business.

Jeff will discuss our process and thinking shortly.

Moving on to personal lines accomplishments.

Speaker 3: Our team delivered strong earnings and top-line growth in an especially complex market during 2021.

Our team delivered strong earnings and topline growth in and especially complex market during 2021.

Speaker 3: Given the changing lost trends in competitive environment over the last two years, we invested a significant amount of time, energy, and resources to achieve the right balance of rate adequacy and consistency, enabling strong retention and profitability.

Given the changing loss trends and competitive environment over the last two years, we invested a significant amount of time energy and resources to achieve the right balance of rate adequacy and consistency, enabling strong retention and profitability.

Speaker 3: We are uniquely positioned in personal lines. Our geographic mix and focus on customers with complex insurance needs continued to deliver a remaining frequency benefit that helped offset the increases in property severity.

We are uniquely positioned in personal lines, our geographic mix and focus on customers with complex insurance needs continued to deliver our remaining frequency benefit that helped offset the increases in property severity.

Additionally, our consistent and thoughtful approach to pricing continued to represent an important competitive edge contributing to our high single digit growth strong retention and excellent profitability in our personal auto book in 2021, including the fourth quarter, considering our typical seasonality Rick.

Speaker 3: Additionally, our consistent and thoughtful approach to pricing continue to represent an important competitive edge, contributing to our high single-digit growth, strong retention, and excellent profitability in our personal auto book in 2021, including the fourth quarter considering our typical seasonality.

Speaker 3: Recall that our fourth quarter generally reflects more elevated winter losses due to our northern purse lines footprint.

Call that our fourth quarter generally reflects more elevated winter losses due to our northern personal lines footprint.

We also continued to gain further traction with our Hanover platinum and prestige total account offerings and personal lines.

Speaker 3: We also continue to gain further traction with our Hanover Platinum and prestige total account offerings in personal lines.

Speaker 3: Platinum accounts for 62% of our purse lines book, while Prestige now represents about $150 million, or 7.5% of the book.

Latin am accounts for 62% of our personal lines book, while prestige now represent about $150 million or seven 5% of the book.

Speaker 3: With very strong reception in the market, we believe prestige premiums will double in the next three years.

With very strong reception in the market, we believe prestige premiums will double in the next three years.

Speaker 3: As we contemplate 2022, we expect to steadily increase home insurance pricing, including exposure increases, to address the continuation of rising material severity and labor costs.

As we contemplate 2022, we expect to steadily increase home insurance pricing, including exposure increases to address the continuation of rising material severity and labor costs.

Speaker 3: In Auto, we will seek rate to keep up with the increased property severity, but we feel good about our auto profitability as it stands today.

In auto we will seek rate to keep up with the increased property severity, but we feel good about our auto profitability as it stands today.

Speaker 3: At the same time, we believe we will generate additional growth and new business as a result of much more aggressive and potentially disruptive rate increases being implemented by the industry to restore profitability.

At the same time, we believe we will generate additional growth and new business as a result of much more aggressive and potentially disruptive rate increases being implemented by the industry to restore profitability.

Speaker 3: We believe our thoughtful approach to pricing and the anticipated longer-term persistence of some frequency benefit strengthen our competitive standing in the industry.

We believe our thoughtful approach to pricing and the anticipated longer term persistence of some frequency benefit.

Strengthen our competitive standing in the industry.

Speaker 3: Our growth might slow a bit as we increase prices in both home and auto throughout the year, but we are well positioned to deliver mid-single digit growth at target returns and personalized in 2022.

Our growth might slow a bit as we increased prices in both home and auto throughout the year, but we are well positioned to deliver mid single digit growth at target returns in personal lines in 2022.

Speaker 3: I want to acknowledge the commitment and contributions our employees made during 2021 to drive our continued success.

I want to acknowledge the commitment and contributions our employees made during 2021 to drive our continued success.

Speaker 3: We are extremely proud of and appreciate our talented and committed team. The Hanover Success in 2021 is a result of our team's hard work and dedication to meeting the needs of our agents and customers.

We are extremely proud of and appreciate our talented and committed team to Hanover success. In 2021 is a result of our team's hard work and dedication to meeting the needs of our agents and customers. The level of talent. We have assembled is on par with the best in our business and constitutes our single greatest competitive.

Speaker 3: The level of talent we have assembled is on par with the best in our business and constitutes our single greatest competitive advantage.

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Speaker 3: While much has been written about what economists refer to as the Great Resignation, I'm extremely proud that we came through 2021 with robust employee retention rates, and we have a full talent pipeline and continue to attract the talent we need at all levels of the organization. Additionally, our employee engagement has increased.

While much has been written about what economists refer to as the great resignation I'm extremely proud that we came through 2021 with robust employee retention rates and we have a full talent pipeline and continue to attract the talent we need at all levels of the organization.

Additionally, our employee engagement remains high as well.

Speaker 3: As part of our ongoing company listening strategy, we recently engaged in outside firm to conduct an employee survey and assess an employee engagement across the organization.

As part of our ongoing company listening strategy, we recently engaged an outside firm to conduct an employee survey and assess and employee engagement across the organization.

Speaker 3: While we are still working through the full analysis, we are very pleased with the initial feedback from that survey.

While we are still working through the full analysis. We are very pleased with the initial feedback from that survey.

Speaker 3: Our ability to attract and retain top talent and keep our workforce engaged speaks to the strength of our culture.

Our ability to attract and retain top talent and keep our workforce engage speaks to the strength of our culture at.

Speaker 3: At the Hanover, our employees' actions and behaviors are guided by our care values.

At the Hanover, our employee's actions and behaviors are guided by our care values.

Speaker 3: Collaboration, accountability, respect, and empowerment.

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Speaker 3: Underlying these values is the belief that a highly engaged, inclusive, and empowered workforce positions us to compete effectively in a dynamic market and to drive top quartile growth and return.

Underlying these values is the belief that a highly engaged inclusive an empowered workforce positions us to compete effectively in a dynamic market and to drive top quartile growth in returns.

Speaker 3: In 2021, we worked on a number of initiatives to advance that principle.

In 2021, we worked on a number of initiatives to advance that principle.

Speaker 3: These initiatives include expanding the number of business resource groups supporting women and underrepresented populations within the company.

These initiatives include expanding the number of business resource group supporting women and underrepresented populations within the company.

Speaker 3: Expanding recruitment efforts to help us attract employees from more diverse talent pools.

Expanding recruitment efforts to help us attract employees for more diverse talent pools.

Speaker 3: and creating more opportunities for women and other underrepresented populations in leadership roles.

And creating more opportunities for women and other underrepresented populations in leadership roles.

Speaker 3: While there certainly is more work to be done to advance inclusion and diversity goals across our organization, I am inspired by our accomplishments to date and eager for us to build on those efforts this year.

While there certainly is more work to be done to advance inclusion and diversity goals across our organization I'm inspired by our accomplishments to date and eager for us to build on those efforts this year.

Speaker 3: Our overall strategic comparators for 2020 to center on maintaining our profitable growth momentum, investing in products, services, data, and innovation to embrace the change around us.

Our overall strategic imperatives for 2020 to center on maintaining our profitable growth momentum investing in products services data and innovation to embrace the change around us.

Speaker 3: and continuing to attract and retain the industry's best talent.

And continuing to attract and retain the industry's best talent.

Speaker 3: In conclusion, we begin 2022 with great optimism. We look to the future from

In conclusion, we begin 2022 with great optimism.

We look to the future from a position of strength.

Speaker 3: confident in our ability to deliver sustainable profitability and growth momentum.

Confident in our ability to deliver sustainable profitability and growth momentum.

Speaker 3: We look forward to taking our company to the next level and making our vision a reality as the premier property and casualty company in the independent agency channel, one that delivers value for its shareholders and other stakeholders. With that, let me

We look forward to taking our company to the next level and making our vision a reality as the premier property and casualty company in the independent agency channel one that delivers value for its shareholders and other stakeholders.

With that let me turn the call over to Jeff.

Speaker 3: Thank you, Jack, and good morning, everyone. I will first begin by reviewing our consolidated results and discussing our segment operating performance in more detail. I will then provide our typical update on our investment portfolio and capital position. I will close my prepared remarks by providing our guidance for 2022.

Thank you Jack and good morning, everyone.

I will first begin by reviewing our consolidated results and discussing our segment operating performance in more detail I will then provide our typical update on our investment portfolio and capital position I will close my prepared remarks by providing our guidance for 2022.

Speaker 3: Turning to our consolidated results, we reported excellent net and operating income per share in the fourth quarter, with both metrics beating our quarterly record.

Turning to our consolidated results, we reported excellent net and operating income per share in the fourth quarter with both metrics, beating our quarterly records.

Speaker 3: Furthermore, our fourth quarter operating ROE of 16.8% reflected outstanding underwriting and investment performance.

Furthermore, our fourth quarter operating ROE of 16.8% reflected outstanding underwriting and investment performance.

Speaker 3: Starting with underwriting, consolidated net premiums written increased 9.2% in the fourth quarter compared to the prior year quarter. The primary drivers of the increase were robust rate, positive exposure growth, and near record high retention levels, in addition to strong new business and personal line.

Starting with underwriting consolidated net premiums written increased nine 2% in the fourth quarter compared to the prior year quarter.

The primary drivers of the increase were robust rate positive exposure growth and near record high retention levels. In addition to strong new business in personal lines.

Speaker 3: Given the impact of COVID in 2020 and some meaningful seasonality in our results in the fourth quarter due to our predominantly northern footprint, we believe it would be helpful to ground some of the following underwriting analysis to pre-COVID profitability.

Given the impact of Covid in 2020, and some meaningful seasonality in our results in the fourth quarter due to a predominantly northern footprint. We believe it would be helpful to ground. Some of the following underwriting analysis to pre COVID-19 profitability, particularly for the lines of business that had been impacted.

Speaker 3: particularly for the lines of business that have been impacted by meaningful frequency benefits in 2020, including most substantially auto. Accordingly, I will provide some comparisons to 2019 where appropriate.

By meaningful frequency benefits in 2020, including most substantially auto accordingly, I will provide some comparisons to 2019 where appropriate.

Speaker 4: We delivered a combined ratio of 92.9% in the fourth quarter, which is modestly above the prior year quarter, but reflects an improvement from the relevant pre-pandemic period of 2019.

We delivered a combined ratio of 92.9% in the fourth quarter, which is modestly above the prior year quarter, but reflects an improvement from the relevant pre pandemic period of 2019.

Speaker 4: The combined ratio in the fourth quarter, 2021, included 3.1 points of catastrophe losses, which was below our catastrophe assumption of 3.9 points.

The combined ratio in the fourth quarter 2021 included 3.1 points of catastrophe losses, which was below our catastrophe assumption of 3.9 points.

Speaker 4: We recorded favorable prior year reserve development, excluding catastrophes of 14.4 million or 1.2 points of the combined ratio for the fourth quarter.

We recorded favorable prior year reserve development, excluding catastrophes of $14 4 million or 1.2 points of the combined ratio for the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4: For the full year we recorded favorable prior year reserve development excluding catastrophes of 56.1 million or 1.2 points of the combined ratio with favorability in most lines and with the largest releases in personal auto and workers' costs.

For the full year, we recorded favorable prior year reserve development, excluding catastrophes of $56 1 million or 1.2 points of the combined ratio with favor ability in most lines and with the largest releases in personal auto and workers comp.

Speaker 4: These results illustrate the success we have had in building a very strong balance sheet over the years. We entered 2022 in a strong position and we remain vigilant in assessing ultimate loss costs maintaining a prudent level of reserves due to the uncertainties within the current environment.

These results illustrate the success, we have had in building a very strong balance sheet over the years, we enter 2022 in a strong position and we remain vigilant in assessing ultimate loss costs, maintaining a prudent level of reserves due to the uncertainties within the current environment.

The expense ratio improved points seven points to 31, 4% for the fourth quarter and helped contribute to the 30 basis point improvement, we targeted and delivered in the full year expense ratio.

Speaker 4: The expense ratio improved 0.7 points to 31.4% for the fourth quarter and helped contribute to the 30 basis point improvement we targeted and delivered in the full year expense ratio.

Speaker 4: The improvement reflects the impact of expense leverage from growth, as well as our rigorous expense discipline and ability to drive operational efficiencies across the business by leveraging technology and advanced data and analytics.

The improvement reflects the impact of expense leverage from growth as well as a rigorous expense discipline and ability to drive operational efficiencies across the business by leveraging technology and advanced data and analytics.

Speaker 4: These investments will further enhance our defense performance in the future.

These investments will further enhance our expense performance in the future.

Speaker 4: As we look ahead, we expect to continue to improve our expense ratio as a result of growth leverage and operational efficient.

As we look ahead, we expect to continue to improve our expense ratio as a result of growth leverage and operational efficiencies.

Turning to a discussion of our underwriting results by segment, starting with commercial lines.

Speaker 4: Turning to a discussion of our underrating results by segment, starting with commercial lines.

Speaker 4: Our combined ratio, excluding catastrophes, improved 1.4 points to 88.6% for the fourth quarter, and 1.3 points to 89.6% for the full year.

Our combined ratio, excluding catastrophes improved 1.4 points to 88, 6% for the fourth quarter and 1.3 points to 89, 6% for the full year.

Speaker 4: The improvement in both periods primarily reflects the benefit of robust rate increases on the current accident your loss ratio, the impact of favorable development and a lower expense ratio.

The improvement in both periods, primarily reflects the benefit of robust rate increases on the current accident year loss ratio.

The impact of favorable development and a lower expense ratio.

Speaker 4: Commercial multi-parall, current accident-year loss ratio, excluding catastrophes, increased by about 1.4 quarter compared to the prior year quarter.

Commercial multi peril current accident year loss ratio, excluding catastrophes increased by about one point in the fourth quarter compared to the prior year quarter.

Speaker 4: However, the result reflects a strong sequential improvement from the third quarter of 2021 and a relatively in line with the fourth quarter of 2019 as large loss pressure meaningfully subsided in the fourth quarter.

However, the result reflects a strong sequential improvement from the third quarter of 2021 and are relatively in line with the fourth quarter of 2019 as large loss pressure meaningfully subside in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4: We are also seeing the benefits of our rate increases and targeted underwriting action.

We are also seeing the benefits of our rate increases and targeted underwriting actions.

Speaker 4: Our commercial auto loss ratio continued to steadily increase throughout the year, as the observed frequency benefit lessons.

Our commercial auto loss ratio continued to steadily increase throughout the year as the observed frequency benefit lessened.

Speaker 4: Our loss experience in commercial auto is comfortably below pre-COVID levels due to prior rate increases earning in and remaining frequency benefits.

Our loss experience in commercial auto is comfortably below pre COVID-19 levels due to prior rate increases, earning in and remaining frequency benefit.

Speaker 4: With some lingering court delays, delays in medical procedures, and all of the drivers of social inflation still present, it is critical to be especially prudent in setting lost picks in this line. And we continue to assume that the impact of social inflation on claim costs is consistent with pre-pandemic levels.

With some lingering court delays delays in medical procedures and all of the drivers of social inflation still present, it is critical to be especially prudent in setting loss picks in this line and we continue to assume that the impact of social inflation on claim costs is consistent with pre.

Pandemic levels.

Speaker 4: Our Workers' Compensation Loss Ratio and the Fourth Quater improves slightly from the prior year period.

Our workers' compensation loss ratio in the fourth quarter improved slightly from the prior year period.

Speaker 4: We benefited throughout 2021, though mainly in the second half, from earned but unbilled premium adjusts.

We benefited throughout 2021, though mainly in the second half from earned but Unbilled premium adjustments our underlying loss picks remain in line with prior quarters, and we remain cautious in our reserving approach, particularly considering the rate environment and potential new risks posed by the.

Speaker 4: Our underlying loss picks remain in line with prior quarters, and we remain cautious in our reserving approach, particularly considering the rate environment and potential new risks posed by the increase in the use of less experienced and newly skilled labor in U.S. companies.

Increase in the use of less experienced and new lease skilled labor and U S companies.

Speaker 4: In other commercial lines, which is a proxy for our specialty business, the loss ratio improved two points for the quarter and one point for the year. Primarily due to strong rate increases earning in and the effectiveness of targeted underwriting actions.

In other commercial lines, which is a proxy for our specialty business the loss ratio improved two points for the quarter and one point for the year, primarily due to strong rate increases, earning in and the effectiveness of targeted underwriting actions.

Speaker 4: Throughout the year we achieved rate increases well above trend and our plan, culminating in rate of 8.9% in the fourth quarter.

Throughout the year, we achieved rate increases well above trend and our plan, culminating in rate of eight 9% in the fourth quarter.

There is certainly some seasonality to our rate change quarter to quarter, but rates have been holding firm and we expect this to continue in the near future.

Speaker 4: There is certainly some seasonality to our rate change quarter to quarter. But rates have been holding firm and we expect this to continue in the near future.

Speaker 4: This business has exceptional growth prospects and is well positioned to continue to deliver strong profitability.

This business has exceptional growth prospects and is well positioned to continue to deliver strong profitability.

Speaker 4: Looking ahead, we expect our commercial line's loss ratio to improve in 2022, as the rate increases implemented over the past year earn in. Core commercial should also benefit from the normalization of property large loss.

Looking ahead, we expect our commercial lines loss ratio to improve in 2022 as the rate increases implemented over the past year earn in core commercial should also benefit from the normalization of property large losses.

Speaker 4: We expect specialty, which, as Jack mentioned, will be reported as a separate segment starting in Q1 to continue to deliver strong, above-target profitability.

We expect specialty which as Jack mentioned will be reported as a separate segment starting in Q1 to continue to deliver strong above target profitability.

Speaker 4: Reporting core commercial and specialty separately will allow us to show more complete financial views for each segment. This reporting structure will also better align to how these two businesses are currently underwritten and managed.

Reporting core commercial and specialty separately will allow us to show more complete financial views for each segment. This.

This reporting structure will also better aligned to how these two businesses are currently underwritten and managed.

Speaker 4: Within commercial lines as it stands today, most of what is currently reported under other commercial lines, plus small components of other lines will be rolled into specialty. And we will complete the rest of the P&L lines to give you a full picture of the specialty income statement, including expenses, allocated NII, and other items, summing to pretext operating income.

Within commercial lines as it stands today most of what is currently reported under other commercial lines plus small components of other lines will be rolled into specialty and we will complete the rest of the P&L lines to give you a full picture of the specialty income statement, including expenses.

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Speaker 4: The rest of the statutory lines within commercial lines will be rolling up and reported in core commercial as a complete P&L as well. We will also share more leading indicators of growth within each of the segments, including sub-segment net written premiums, price change measures and retention.

The rest of the statutory lines within commercial lines will be rolling up in reported and core commercial as a complete P&L as well we will also share more leading indicators of growth within each of the segments, including sub segment net written premiums price change measures and retention the new.

Speaker 4: The new specialty segment is completely consistent with how we have discussed and presented specialty in our investor presentations from time to time.

New specialty segment is completely consistent with how we've discussed and presented specialty in our investor presentations from time to time.

Speaker 4: In March, we expect to share historical financial results for the last three years under the new segmentation. Leaving our investors and analysts enough time to study the results and new definitions and to adjust their model.

In March we expect to share historical financial results for the last three years under the new segmentation, leaving our investors and analysts enough time to study the results and new definitions and to adjust their models.

Speaker 4: At the beginning of May, our first quarter 2022 results will be reported under the new segment definition.

At the beginning of May our first quarter 2022 results will be reported under the new segment definitions.

Turning to personal lines, we reported a combined ratio excluding catastrophes of 91.5% for the fourth quarter and 87, 1% for the year, both reflecting an increase from 2020, driven primarily by personal auto as the comparative prior year periods.

Speaker 4: Turning to personal lines, we reported a combined ratio excluding catastrophes of 91.5% for the fourth quarter, and 87.1% for the year. Both reflecting an increase from 2020, driven primarily by personal auto, as the comparative prior year periods included very substantial frequency benefits related to the pandemic.

Who did very substantial frequency benefits related to the pandemic.

Speaker 4: However, our personalized results continue to track favorably compared to 2019, underscoring our unique position and broader optionality going forward.

However, our personal lines results continue to track favorably compared to 2019, underscoring our unique position and broader optionality going forward.

Speaker 4: Our personal auto-XCAT current accent year loss ratio is 74.1% in the fourth quarter, representing an increase of 6.9 points from the prior year quarter, but an improvement of 2.8 points compared to the fourth quarter of 2019.

Our personal auto ex cat current accident year loss ratio was 74, 1% in the fourth quarter, representing an increase of six nine points from the prior year quarter, but.

But an improvement of 2.8 points compared to the fourth quarter of 2019.

Mobility trends indicate driving volumes in 2021 were above pre pandemic levels likely driven by higher discretionary travel while commuting remains lower.

Speaker 4: Mobility trends indicate driving volumes in 2021 were above pre-pandemic levels, likely driven by higher discretionary travel while commuting remains lower. This boathes particularly well for our personal auto book, given its higher concentration of office workers and has positioned us for a more persistent, if not permanent, longer term frequency benefit.

This bodes, particularly well for our personal auto book given its higher concentration of office workers and has positioned us for a more persistent if not permanent longer term frequency benefit.

Speaker 4: Of note, we added a disclosure to our earnings deck demonstrating the sustained difference between the industry experience as it relates to miles driven, and the Hanover's persistent frequency benefit.

Of note, we added a disclosure to our earnings deck, demonstrating the sustained difference between the industry experience as it relates to miles driven and the hangovers persistent frequency benefit.

Speaker 4: This disclosure also showcases our differentiated pricing approach over the last two years and our change in claims mix away from rush hour claims.

This disclosure also showcases our differentiated pricing approach over the last two years and our change in claims mix away from Russia our claims.

The improvement in our fourth quarter personal auto loss ratio from the comparative pre COVID-19 periods of 2019 speaks to our thoughtful pricing strategy and provides a favorable starting point for 2022.

Speaker 4: The improvement in our fourth quarter personal auto loss ratio from the comparative pre-COVID periods of 2019 speaks to our thoughtful pricing strategy and provides a favorable starting point for 2022.

Speaker 4: We expect severe pressures in personal auto to continue into 2022, along with a lingering frequency benefit, although not at the same level of benefit that we saw in the first half of 2021.

We expect a very pressures in personal auto to continue into 2022, along with a lingering frequency benefit although not at the same level of benefit that we saw in the first half of 2021.

We believe persistent lower frequency combined with some measured price increases will allow us to maintain our personal auto loss ratio around pre COVID-19 levels. We are seeing the current personal auto market firming from a position of relative strength as it increases our pricing ability, while allowing us to grow.

Speaker 4: We believe persistent lower frequency combined with some measured price increases will allow us to maintain our personal auto loss ratio around pre-COVID levels.

Speaker 4: We are seeing the current personal auto market firming from a position of relative strength as it increases our pricing ability while allowing us to grow market share.

Market share.

Speaker 4: In homeowners, the ex-cat current accident year loss ratio is 50.6% for the quarter, up 2.7 points from the prior year quarter and 1.5 points from the full year 2020.

In homeowners the ex cat current accident year loss ratio was 56% for the quarter up 2.7 points from the prior year quarter and 1.5 points from the full year 2020.

Speaker 4: These results are also elevated compared to the pre-COVID periods driven by higher labor and material costs, as well as more severe non-cantestory weather.

These results are also elevated compared to the pre COVID-19 periods, driven by higher labor and material costs as well as more severe non catastrophe weather.

We and the industry are seeking rate increases in response to these pressures.

Speaker 4: We and the industry are seeking great increases in response to these pressures.

Speaker 4: Even though our rate did not increase substantially in the quarter, we saw robust renewal price change, which includes inflation of 6.9% in homeowners up from 5.9% in the third quarter.

Even though our rate did not increase substantially in the quarter. We saw a robust renewal price change, which includes inflation of six 9% in homeowners up from 5.9% in the third quarter.

Speaker 4: This price change will continue to increase throughout 2020.

This price change will continue to increase throughout 2022.

Speaker 4: Importantly, we continue to achieve historically high retention levels within homeowners, ending the fourth quarter with retention of 89.4%. A strong indication that the market can accept additional needed price increases in the future. With this in mind, we expect to achieve around 8% renewal price change in homeowners by mid-2022.

Importantly, we continued to achieve historically high retention levels within homeowners ending the fourth quarter with retention of 89, 4% a strong indication that the market can accept additional needed price increases in the future with this in mind, we expect to achieve around 8% renewal.

This change in homeowners by mid 2022.

Speaker 4: The key takeaway in personal lines is that we have a clear line of sight to target profitability levels in this business in 2022. In addition, we believe that our customer-centric approach and whole account focus represents sustainable and profitable competitive advance.

The key takeaway in personal lines is that we have a clear line of sight to target profitability levels. In this business. In 2022. In addition, we believe that our customer centric approach and whole account focus represents sustainable and profitable competitive advantages.

Speaker 4: Turning to our investment performance, we generated net investment income of $79.5 million for the fourth quarter and approximately $311 million for the year, up 17% compared to 2020. This was well ahead of our guidance for 2021 and reflective of exceptional results from our investment partnerships, which outperformed our expectations by $40 million.

Turning to our investment performance, we generated net investment income of $79 5 million for the fourth quarter and approximately $311 million for the year up 17% compared to 2020.

This was well ahead of our guidance for 2021 and reflective of exceptional results from our investment partnerships, which outperformed our expectations by $40 million.

Speaker 4: Lower fixed income yields continue to pressure our portfolio, a trend we expect to persist into 2022, but should be largely offset by growing cash flows.

Lower fixed income yields continued to pressure our portfolio a trend we expect to persist into 2022, but should be largely offset by growing cash flows.

Speaker 4: Therefore, adjusting for outsized partnership returns in 2021, we expect net investment income in 2022 will be approximately in line with 2021 results.

Therefore, adjusting for outsized partnership returns in 2021, we expect net investment income in 2022 will be approximately in line with 2021 results.

Speaker 4: Our investment portfolio remains very well positioned. Fiction come securities in cash represent 85% of the total 9.4 billion portfolio. We have a high quality, well-lattered and diversified portfolio with a weighted average rating of a plus.

Our investment portfolio remains very well positioned fixed income securities and cash represent 85% of the total 9.4 billion portfolio, we have a high quality well ladder and diversified portfolio with a weighted average rating of a plus we are positioning our portfolio for the increasing rate environment.

Speaker 4: We are positioning our portfolio for the increasing rate environment by limiting duration extension and maintaining diversified exposure to less interest rate sensitive asset classes like equities, partnerships, and leveraged loans.

By limiting duration extension and maintaining diversified exposure to less interest rate sensitive asset classes like equities partnerships and leverage loans.

Moving on to our equity and capital position, we thoughtfully manage our capital throughout 2021 successfully weathering the market uncertainty and economic volatility we remain committed to our capital management priorities and being strong stewards of our capital.

Speaker 4: Moving on to our equity and capital position, we thoughtfully managed our capital throughout 2021, successfully weathering the market uncertainty and economic volatility. We remain committed to our capital management priorities and being strong stewards of our capital.

Speaker 4: In December , we increased our quarterly dividend by 7.1% to 75 cents a share, underscoring the confidence we have in our long-term strategy and growth opportunities. In total, we returned approximately 265 million to shareholders in 2021 through dividends and share reperto-

In December we increased our quarterly dividend by seven 1% to 75 cents a share underscoring the confidence we have in our long term strategy and growth opportunities in total we returned approximately $265 million to shareholders in 2021 through dividends and share.

Repurchases.

Speaker 4: As shown at Investor Day, we are targeting an operating return on equity of 14% or higher over the longer term, supported by the tenets of our financial strategy, broad-based profitability, profitable growth, expense discipline, and effective capital allocation.

As shown at Investor Day, we are targeting an operating return on equity of 14% or higher over the longer term supported by the tenants of our financial strategy.

Based profitability profitable growth expense discipline and effective capital allocation.

Speaker 4: Our book value per share of 88.59 as of December 31, 2021 increased 1.8% from the end of the third quarter. Driven by net income partially offset by a decline in unrealized gains in our fixed income portfolio and the payment of our regular quarterly dividends.

Our book value per share of <unk> 80, 859 as of December 31, 2021 increased one 8% from the end of the third quarter.

Driven by net income, partially offset by a decline in unrealized gains in our fixed income portfolio and the payment of our regular quarterly dividends.

Speaker 4: Excluding net unrealized gains on fixed maturity investment, our book value per share increased 4.4% from September 30, 2021, and 9.4% from the end of 2020. Turning to our guidance for...

Excluding net unrealized gains on fixed maturity investments our book value per share increased four 4% from September 32021, and 9.4% from the end of 2020.

Turning to our guidance for 2022.

Speaker 4: We expect overall consolidated net written premium growth to be on the higher end of mid-single digits, driven by growth in our most profitable businesses.

We expect overall consolidated net written premium growth to be on the higher end of mid single digits driven by growth in our most profitable businesses in specialty we anticipate very strong growth overall for the year, but premium increase in the first quarter will be somewhat impacted by a challenging comparison to 12 per se.

Speaker 4: In specialty, we anticipate very strong growth overall for the year, but premium increase in the first quarter will be somewhat impacted by a challenging comparison to 12 percent growth in first quarter 2021.

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Speaker 4: First quarter, 2022 growth overall should be very solid. We expect net investment income to decline as partnership income returns to more consistent historical levels. Normalizing for partnership outperformance in 2021, NII should be flat in 2022, as the pressure from lower reinvestment yields will be offset by growing cash.

First quarter 2022 growth overall should be very solid.

We expect net investment income to decline as partnership income returns to more consistent historical levels.

Normalizing for partnership outperformance in 2021, NII should be flat in 2022 as the pressure from lower reinvestment yields will be offset by growing cash flows.

Speaker 4: Our expense ratio should decrease by approximately 20 basis points in 2022 to 31.1%.

Our expense ratio should decrease by approximately 20 basis points in 2022 to 31, 1%.

Speaker 4: The combined ratio excluding catastrophes should be in the range of 89.5% to 90.5%. Catalogue for the year is 5.0%.

The combined ratio, excluding catastrophes should be in the range of 89, 5% to 90.5%.

Cat load for the year is five point O per cent.

First quarter Cat load is four 8%.

Speaker 4: And we expect an effective tax rate to approximate the statutory rate, which is 21%.

And we expect an effective tax rate to approximate the statutory rate which is 21%.

In conclusion, we begin 2022, the year of our 170 <unk> anniversary in a very strong financial position. The road ahead holds tremendous opportunity and we are poised to capitalize on it.

Speaker 4: In conclusion, we begin 2022, the year of our 170th anniversary, in a very strong financial position.

Speaker 4: The road ahead holds tremendous opportunity and we are poised to capitalize on it.

Speaker 4: Our accomplishments over the past several years position us to deliver sustainable, long-term top quartile profitability and execute on the targets presented last September at our investor day.

Our accomplishments over the past several years position us to deliver sustainable long term top quartile profitability and execute on the targets presented last September at our Investor day with.

Speaker 4: With that, we will now open the line for questions. Operator?

With that we will now open the line for questions operator.

Thank you we will now begin the question and answer session.

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Speaker 1: And the first question will come from Matt Carletti with JMP. Please go ahead.

And the first question will come from Matt <unk> with JMP. Please go ahead.

Hey, Thanks, good morning.

Good morning, Brian .

Speaker 5: I wanted to start on a question related to kind of the severity trends that you're seeing in personal lines. You know,

And I wanted to start on a question related to kind of the severity trends that youre seeing in <unk>.

Personal lines.

Sure.

I guess can you help us on the outside as we look at various indicators.

Speaker 5: I guess, can you help us on the outside as we look at various indicators? What are the best indicators or the mix of indicators we should look at, like let's take auto, right? And is it used car values, is it labor cost slash shortage, is it parts cost, rental car days? As we think about kind of the items that are changing, can you give us kind of a rough mix of how you look at it in terms of what is driving the severity pressures?

What are the best indicators of the mix of indicators, we should look at like let's take auto right and is it is it used car values is it labor cost slash shortages at parts cost rental car days as we think about kind of the items that are changing can you just give us kind of a rough mix of how you look at it in terms of what's what is dry.

Giving the severity pressures.

Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, this is Jack. Thanks. Thanks for the question. And obviously, it's the topic of the day. So we're happy to kind of give you our view on that. Before I pass it over to <expletive> to give you maybe some specifics, I would tell you that I think what makes it a little different for us is our strategy and our portfolio as we articulated in our prepared remarks.

Yeah, Matt This is Jack thanks, Thanks for the question and obviously the topic of the day. So we're happy to kind of give you our view on that.

Before I pass it over to.

<expletive> to give you maybe some specifics.

I would tell you that I think what makes it a little different for US is our strategy and our portfolio as we articulated in our prepared remarks.

Speaker 3: We have an account business and we have a different customer base and frankly the complexion of the losses that we see do change how inflation impacts our our book of business versus maybe low limit.

We have we have an account business and we have a different customer base and frankly, the complexion of the losses that we see do change how inflation impacts our book of business versus maybe low limits more physical damage oriented.

Speaker 3: more physical damage-oriented competitors. But with that, we clearly, as we said, are experiencing some inflation. And we're separating, if you will, what we think are some short-term phenomenon.

Competitors, so but with that we clearly as we said are experiencing some inflation.

And we're separating if you will what we think are some short term phenomenon.

Speaker 6: from the longer-term trend analysis that we still think is important and to keep focus on. So, with that, I'll turn it over to <expletive> . So, Matt, just to kind of go right at the heart of your question, the leading indicators that we look at, the first thing to do is to look at the mix of loss.

From the longer term trend analysis that we still think is as important and to keep focused on so with that I'll turn it over to <expletive> So Matt just to kind of go right at the heart of your question the leading indicators that we look at the first thing to do is to look at the mix of losses.

Speaker 6: Meaning, is it a total loss, or is it a repairable loss? And this won't surprise you, but with the total loss scenario, that's really where the biggest element.

Meaning is it a total loss or is it a repairable loss.

This won't surprise, you, but with the total loss scenario, that's really where the biggest element of severity.

It's being driven from because of the actual cash value increases in used cars.

Look at our all of our indicators that's what we would say is the biggest one to watch for.

Speaker 6: offset a little bit by salvage prices, right? So you got to keep an eye on what's going on.

Offset a little bit by salvage prices right. So you've got to keep an eye on what's going on.

Which market too and then on the repairable side. It is about number of parts.

Speaker 6: And then on the repairable side, it is about number of parts, cost per part, and labor per part. So those indicators we watch closely.

Cost per part and labor parts. So those indicators, we watch closely we have seen an uptick in the number of parts.

Some more increased speeds and more severity cost of parts is up but labor interestingly is not up as much.

Speaker 6: cost of parts is up, but labor, interestingly, is not up as much. There is some...

There is some additional labor of course, when you have more parts to repair it takes longer time. So you put all those together right and.

Speaker 6: So you put all those together, right, and, you know, with the appropriate percentages and you get to your...

With the appropriate percentages and you get to your total severity. So that's hopefully helpful to you.

Yes very.

Speaker 5: Here helpful, can you give a rough break and I understand this might be your book and other people's books could be different. Clearly yours is performed certainly well versus peers. When you talk about a total versus repairable on a, I'm just a number of accidents basis, ballpark. You know, if you have 10 accidents, you know, how many are a total versus repairable and has that changed at all to?

Very helpful could you give a rough break and I understand this might be your book and other People's books could be different clearly yours has performed.

Certainly well versus peers.

When you talk about a total versus repairable on AR and just the number of accidents basis ballpark.

Yes, 10 accidents, how many are total versus where parabolic does that has that changed at all recently good follow up question because when you look at the total dollars. It's a bigger percentage than it is in terms of incidents. So it's around the 20 ish percent.

Speaker 6: It's a good follow-up question, because when you look at the total dollars, it's a bigger percentage than it is in terms of incidence.

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A total loss.

Speaker 5: frequency. Gotcha. Great. That's incredibly helpful. Thank you. And then just one, probably a question for Jeff, on the investment portfolio, you know, obviously interest rates are starting to inch up here a little bit. Can you help us with where kind of new money is, what you're investing in versus where the book yield is, how that spread has moved?

Gotcha, great that that's incredibly helpful. Thank you and then just one.

Probably a question for Jeff on the investment portfolio.

Interest rates are starting to inch up here a little bit.

Could you help us with where we're kind of new money is what you're investing in versus where the book yield is how that how that spread has moved.

Speaker 6: Yeah, so certainly with interest rates rising, it makes that gap smaller, but there still is a gap. So, you know, the new money is still below. The roll off of, you know, the earned yield on the book. But we're closing it, and we're comfortable that the cash flows will offset the diminished yield that we have in the portfolio of 20.

Yes, so certainly with interest rates rising it makes that gap smaller, but there still is a gap. So the new money is still below.

The roll off of the Earth the earned yield on the book, but.

We're closing it and we're comfortable that the cash flows will offset the diminished yields that we have in the portfolio in 'twenty two.

Speaker 5: Great. Thank you for the answers and congrats on a nice quarter. Thanks, Matt. Thanks.

Great. Thank you for the answers and congrats on a nice quarter. Thanks.

Thanks, Matthew for that travels.

Speaker 1: The next question will come from Paul Newsom with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

The next question will come from Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7: I want to beat that the artist's inflation issue a little bit longer again. But I was actually hoping that if you look across your commercial book versus your personal lines book, it just has no, no, this has behaved the same. I'm curious if you have any thoughts about why you're seeing it so much more on personal lines versus if I'm probably impressed to ask you a part of the new UI commercial lines.

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A lot of people.

Infusion issue a little bit odd.

I was actually hoping if you looked across your commercial book versus your.

Personal lines book, It just Hasnt Logan.

The same.

Curious if you have any thoughts about why.

Youll see so much more on personal lines solutions.

Thanks Joshua.

Commercialized.

Speaker 4: I want to make sure I clarify the question, Paul. Seeing, you said seeing more, you're seeing more.

I want to make sure I clarify the question Paul seeing you said seeing more you're seeing more.

Speaker 7: Well, we see this rapid increase in frequency and severity in private passenger much more than we have in the commercial auto side of the house.

We've seen this.

Rapid increase in.

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Commercial auto side of the house.

Speaker 7: And you write both, so you're in a pretty good position to look at it through the differences at least in the last, you caught a couple of quarters.

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Pretty good position to look at it through the differences that we've seen over the last call. It.

Quarters between the two.

Speaker 3: I think at the highest level, and we'll certainly let the business guys chime in here, at the highest level, think about what we're going through, right?

I think at the highest level and we will certainly let.

Business guys chime in here is at the highest level think about what we're going through right. We have frankly, a lot less people.

Speaker 3: frankly, a lot less people going to work and a lot more people working from home. And so I suspect at the highest level, we just have a change in.

Go into work and a lot more people working from home and so I suspect that the highest level. We just have a change in <unk>.

Speaker 3: in activity level. Within our personal lines book, we also see changes as we suggested that might advantage us over some other personal lines markets, but in aggregate, it seems quite logical that you would see more of that in the personal lines side.

And activity level.

Within our personal lines book, we also see changes as we suggested that might advantages over some other personal lines markets, but in aggregate. It seems quite logical that you would see more.

More of that in the personal line side.

Speaker 3: I think the other thing is that when you look at how rate hits the book over time, it influences a lot of the ultimate dynamics of the book.

I think the other thing is is that when you look at how rate hits the book over time it influences a lot of.

The ultimate dynamics.

The book and we've been at <unk>.

Speaker 6: you know, commercial lines, price increases for many years, and personal lines went through a competitive period that now is going to rebound pretty substantially. So I don't know if either of you want to chime in on that. That's an interesting question. I don't have a perfectly clear answer for you, Paul. You know, I do. We did see, picking up on what Jack said, the frequency declines in personal lines was a greater phenomenon than in the commercial line side, so you might think, you know, that that would be a benefit.

Commercial lines.

Price increases for many years in personal lines went through a competitive period that now is going to rebound pretty substantially. So I don't know if you want to chime in on an interesting question I don't have a particularly clear answer for you Paul.

We did see picking up a launch accident frequency declines in personal lines was it was a greater phenomenon than in the commercial lines side. So you might think that that would be a benefit to the <unk> side, but the severity on this on the personal line side I think it is related to what I was just talking about around total losses versus repairable losses on the commercial lines side.

Severity is probably a touch more.

Sure.

Acutely on the personal line side.

Speaker 3: I think what is important, though, related to yours is that the high quality companies have enhanced claims analytics, working with Actuarial, working with the businesses.

I think what is important though related to yours is that that the high quality companies have.

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Claims analytics working with actuarial working with the businesses.

Speaker 3: to keep an eye on all those frequency and severity measures, relating them back to the complexion of the claims, and I can tell you we have a lot of confidence.

To keep an eye on all of those frequency and severity measures relating them back to the the complexion of the claims and I can tell you we have a lot of confidence.

Speaker 3: based on the real investments we made in the claims department on analytics that are now really enhancing our ability to anticipate loss trend not just reflect

Based on the the real investments we made in the claims department on analytics.

That are now really enhancing our ability to anticipate.

Loss trend not just reflect on it.

Yes.

Speaker 7: Focusing on the commercial line side of the house, obviously trends are going in the right direction. You're gaining share especially, what are the kinds of companies that you think you're gaining share from? Because, you know, one of the interesting things about this hard market is everyone is...

Focusing on the commercial line side of the house.

Obviously.

Trends were in the right direction.

Who.

You're gaining share and specially what are the kinds of companies that you think youre gaining share from.

Because one of the interesting things about this hard market as everyone is reporting very high retention rates and nobody seems to be losing share.

Speaker 7: reporting very high retention rates and nobody seems to be losing share.

Speaker 7: Who do you think is the classification type of company that's

Who do you think is the classification.

<unk> between the type of company.

But you are gaining share.

Speaker 4: Paul, just a quick one there. Most of the increase in premium comes from rate and exposure, but we are gaining share.

Paul just a quick one there.

The most of the increase in premium comes from rate and exposure, but we are gaining share and I think right.

Good person.

Speaker 8: Yeah, so let's start with specialty and then I think we can give you a little bit of commentary on kind of small commercial and some dynamics that are playing out there. But, but Brian . Yeah, so I think, you know, what I would share with you is our growth is pretty broad based. Jeff hit it right. Good deal of growth from rate and retention that's better than planned.

So let's start with specialty and then I think we can give you a little bit of commentary on kind of small commercial and some dynamics that are playing out there, but Brian yeah. So I think what I would share with you <unk>.

Our growth is pretty broad based.

Hey, good dealer growth from rate and retention expected plan.

Speaker 8: But our portfolio for a long time has been pretty balanced. Balanced with, I would call specialist brokers and producers, right? And our increasing growth from our Hanover agents that we've really invested.

But our portfolio for a long time has been pretty balanced balanced with I would call specialist brokers and producers and our increasing growth from.

Our Hanover agents should we really invested in our technology and our field should be more coordinated so.

Speaker 8: technology and our field to be more coordinated. So, you know, we're really in a bit of a fortunate position that we're doing well in that specialist broker market and we're doing well with the Hanov region that value having that, you know, sort of total handover engagement we've got. So, for us, you know, I think there's a number of different carriers of wouldn't single amount. I think it's our strategy. I think it's the combining of the specialist brokers, the wholesalers, as a complementary source and then our Hanov region.

A bit of a fortunate position network, we're doing well and especially broker market and we're doing well with the Hyatt regency value, having that sort of total hangover engagement, we got so far.

I think theres, a number of different carriers I wouldn't single them out I think it's our strategy I think Scott the combining of the specialist brokers wholesalers as a complementary source and then our Hanover age.

Yeah.

Speaker 3: You know, maybe just a quick comment on small commercial, because I think in that area there is quite a difference in terms of the winners and the losers. And at the macro level, I think you know, we compete quite competently against the national carriers in the BOP account market, and we also compete against the regional carriers on kind of the package small commercial accounts that

Maybe just a quick comment on small commercial because I think in that area. There is quite a difference in terms of the winners and the losers and at the macro level. I think you know we compete quite quite competently against the national carriers in the BOPP market and we also compete against.

The regional carriers on kind of the package small commercial accounts that.

Speaker 3: aren't necessarily delivered to a point-of-sale system. And I think it's that breath of appetite, we are clearly seeing more and more business.

<unk> necessarily delivered to our point of sale system and I think it's that breadth of appetite, we are clearly seeing more and more business.

Speaker 3: getting pulled out of the regional carriers to the better nationals or the better, more capable small commercial players by just pricing efficacy and targeted strategies.

Getting pulled out of the regional carriers to the better nationals of the better more capable small commercial players by just pricing efficacy and targeted strategies. So <expletive> .

Speaker 6: I mean, our new, it's always about easy doing business and small commercial for the bot and associated.

Well I mean are are.

Always about ease of doing business in small commercial for the BOP and associated lines, our new investment in tap sales now out in 37 States is just giving us an incredible tailwind.

Speaker 6: our new investment in cap sales now out in 37 states.

And we're winning business against the nationals against their systems, the regionals, who don't have a strong technology.

Speaker 6: nationals against their systems, the regionals who don't have as strong technology, and the agent population, of course, is getting smarter.

And the agent population of course is getting smarter and more strategic about how they place their small commercial business that we're right in the mix on all those strategic discussions.

Hey, Thanks, guys congrats on the quarter.

Thanks, Paul.

Speaker 1: The next question will come from Meyer Shields with KBW. Please go ahead.

The next question will come from Meyer Shields with K B W. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1: Thanks. Two really quick questions if I can. First, is there a material difference in the law trends between specialty and poor commercial?

Two really quick questions. If I can first is there.

The material difference in the loss trends between specialty and core commercial.

Speaker 3: Well, again, we got multiple businesses inside of specialty. And so there's quite a difference, frankly, even within specialty on what the lost trend looks like in our Hannover specialty industrial versus, say, our professional liability and management liability businesses. So in aggregate, I would imagine that the variance isn't dramatically different. But I think when we get down to the business unit level,

Well again, we got multiple businesses inside of specialty.

And so.

There is quite a difference frankly, even within specialty on what the loss trend looks like in <unk>.

Our Hanover specialty industrial versus say, our professional liability and management liability businesses. So in aggregate I would imagine that the variance isn't dramatically different.

But I think when we get down to the business unit level.

Speaker 3: We even see a pretty good difference between small commercial and middle market and the core commercial. So there's a full array of where inflation, how property-centric is the book of business. I think we all know that people are worried about some of the liability trends, but in the short term, some of that's been suppressed.

We even see a pretty pretty good difference between small commercial and middle market in the core commercial so.

So if theres, a full array of where where inflation how property centric as the book of business. I think we all know that people are worried about some of the liability trends, but in the short term some of that's been suppressed.

Speaker 8: by the pandemic environment and the courts, you know, opening and closing and reopening. So I think some of this will change over time, but in aggregate, I don't think there's a major difference in those trends. The only thing I would add is, to Jack's point, we measured this across each of our individual books.

And by the pandemic environment in the courts.

Opening and closing and reopening so so I think some of this will change over time, but in aggregate I don't think there is a major difference in those trends the only thing I would add to Jack's point, we measure dish across each of our individual books.

Speaker 8: And then we look at our rate versus loss trend against each of those books. So when we say we're getting rate materially above loss trend, it's right down to the specific area. And that's why I think we have a lot of confidence in how...

And then we look at our rate versus loss trend against those books. So when we say we're getting rate maturity above loss trend, it's right down to the specific area and Thats why I think we have a lot of confidence and how thats developing.

Speaker 9: No, completely understood. I was just trying to sort of get a sense as to the baked-in loss ratio improvement for specialty versus core commercial. It sounds like it's greater if I understand the comments correctly.

I don't know completely understood I was just.

I'm trying to sort of get it sent that to the baked in loss ratio improvement for specialty versus core commercial it sounds like it's greater if I understand your comments correctly.

I would say in the short term that is true.

Speaker 9: Okay, perfect. Second question, and I'm not sure what to do with this, but the PIP count growth in both auto and home accelerated from the third quarter, which makes sense because most of the industry is raising rates. Is there anything to be worried about? Is there any risk of adverse selection in that?

Okay, Perfect second question and I'm not sure what to do with it but the headcount growth in both auto and home accelerated from the third quarter, which makes sense because most of the industry is raising rates.

Is there anything to be worried about is there any adverse selection.

Any risk of adverse selection in that.

Speaker 6: I would tell you we feel terrific about the quality of the new business that we're writing and the historically high retention ratios, but I'll let <expletive> speak to that. Yeah, absolutely. We have all the quality indicators that we watch around liability limits and, you know,

I would tell you we feel terrific about the quality of that new business that we're writing in the historically high retention ratios, but I'll, let I'll, let <expletive> speak to that absolutely. We have all the all the quality indicators that we watch around liability limits.

Full accounts.

87% of our businesses is a full account, which speaks to the quality that we attract.

Speaker 6: full account which speak to the quality that we attract. So there's nothing, nothing.

So there is nothing nothing at all in the <unk>.

New business trajectory that you see that gives me concern.

Highest quality that we've had in the past and remember that our growth is substantially coming through our platinum experience in the prestige product and thats, our highest quality business.

Speaker 3: And remember that our growth is substantially coming through our platinum experience and the prestige product. And that's our highest quality business.

Okay perfect that's fantastic. Thank you.

Thanks Neil.

Yes.

Speaker 1: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question will come from Bob Farnham with boning and scattergood. Please go ahead.

Again, if you have a question. Please press Star then one our next question will come from Bob Farnam with Boenning and Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yeah, Hi, there, thanks and good morning.

Speaker 1: Yep, Huddard. Thanks. Good morning. Two questions. One's on personal lines.

Two questions one on personal lines.

Speaker 1: You've been raising rates there for a few years. You're really profitable. I understand you may not be raising rates as much as peers at this point. But my question is, are you...

You have been raising rates there for a few years really profitable.

I understand you may not be raising rates as much as peers at this point, but my question is are you.

Speaker 10: Have you seen or do you expect to see some pushback from the regulators about the rate increases there? And probably the same question, have you seen rate increase fatigue from agents or customers at this point?

Have you seen or do you expect to see some pushback from the regulators about the rate increases there and probably the same question have you seen rate increase fatigue from agents or customers at this point.

Speaker 3: I think that the high-level answer is no, that because of the approach that we're taking, we have not had to have excessive rate increases. Our strategy is to try to generate good returns so we can be more consistent.

I think the high level answer is no that we have because of.

The approach that we're taking we've never we have not had to have excess of rate increases are our strategy is to try to generate good returns. So we can be more consistent.

Speaker 6: But, you want to respond for that? Love this question. You know, it really comes down to your starting point and how much you're asking.

But.

Yes, exactly you wanted to respond to that Love Love. This question.

It really comes down to your starting point and how much you are asking for in terms of what kind of pushback you get from the states.

Speaker 6: what kind of pushback you get from the states and and hopefully you appreciated the disclosures we gave on page nine but you can see if I could just point out on that upper right hand chart you know where we have for the last several quarters and Jeff had this in his prepared comments

Hopefully you appreciate the disclosures we gave on page nine but you can see if I could just pointed out.

That upper right hand chart.

We had for the last several quarters and just how this in his prepared comments.

Speaker 6: last couple of years been above the industry in terms of taking rate.

Last couple of years been above the industry in terms of taking rate.

Speaker 6: you can see the industry taking rates down, even negative. We've never gone negative. So we've always kind of been.

You can see the industry, taking rates down even negative we've never gone negative. So we've always kind of been sort of steady.

Speaker 6: And we're now at a low watermark, but we will be adding rate in the next coming quarters, but we don't have as much of a substantial need. So, when you approach a state and your need is not as great and you've been steady.

And we're now at a low watermark, but we will be adding right.

Next coming quarters, but we don't have as much of a substantial need. So when you approach a state and you need is not as great and you've been steady.

No problems at all getting our rates approved.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the agents, as you can imagine, love a market that isn't up and down and all over the place. That consistency is what allows us to...

And I think the agents as you can imagine love a market that is an up and down and all over the place that consistency is what allows us to.

Speaker 6: to generate the agency experience that is expected of our partners.

To generate the agency experience that.

That is expected of our partners and on your second question of customer fatigue or agent fatigue, where.

Speaker 6: We're not seeing that and we anticipate with the hardening market that our strategy will be well received. Our retentions are at some of the highest levels we've seen.

We're not seeing that and we anticipate with the hardening market that our strategy will be well received our retentions are at some of the highest levels. We've seen so we believe that there's still room to kind of increase our rates modestly.

Modestly from what we have today, so, but we'll watch that closely but understanding the rate, we push and the elasticity that comes through from customer agent reaction and what happens to our retention.

Speaker 6: But we'll watch that closely, right? Understanding the rate we push and the elasticity.

I feel very confident about it.

Great. Thanks for that thanks for the color. The second question I have is on the reserves and you.

Speaker 10: Great, thanks for that. Thanks for the color. The second question I have is on the reserves and you and most of your peers have talked about being prudent or conservative with the social inflation, economic inflation impact that's going on. Can you tell us kind of how that works in practice and if there's ways that we from the outside can actually see data about those trends?

Most of your peers had talked about being prudent.

We're conservative with the social inflation and economic inflation impact that's going there can you tell us kind of how that works in practice and if there's ways that we from the outside can actually see data.

About those trends.

Speaker 4: Bob, I think it's difficult, really, from an outsider to see it. I was talking to another analyst, and they were saying, you know, can we look at the paid? And I said, well, if you're going to look at the paid...

Bob I think it's difficult really from an outsider to see it I was talking to.

Another analysts and they were saying can we look at the page and I said, well, if you're going to look at the page.

Speaker 4: They're going to be down quite a bit because either down and be either delayed a little bit. I think when you get the scheduled piece, confident that you'll see conservatism will show itself in those schedules.

They're going to be down quite a bit because a they're down in either delayed a little bit.

I think when you get the schedule P is confident that Youll see conservatism will show itself in those schedules.

Speaker 4: We've been as prudent as one possibly can, and you're starting to see a little more meaningful prior year development from a lot of different years, not just 2020, so prior years as well. So we're feeling as good as we can, and we're feeling as good as we've ever been about our balance sheet coming out of 21.

We've been as prudent as one possibly can and youre starting to see a little more meaningful prior year development from a lot of different years, not just 2020, so prior years as well so we're feeling as good as we can and we're feeling as good as we've ever been about our balance sheet.

Coming out of 'twenty one.

Speaker 10: I get it. We'll take a look at the sketch of these when they come up. I was just kind of curious this way to even compare prudency or conservancy between all your peers.

Okay.

I get it will take a look at the schedule P is when they come out but I was just kind of curious this way to even the compare prudency or conservative to you between the between all the all your peers.

Thanks for that.

Thank you.

Speaker 1: The next question will come from Grace Carter with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

The next question will come from Grace Carter with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hi.

Speaker 11: I was wondering, looking at the kind of varying frequency and severity trends that we've seen in personal auto recently, is there any difference in the Platinum book versus the Prestige book, or do the trends look pretty constant across those two?

Just wondering looking at the kind of varying frequency and severity trends that we've seen in personal auto recently.

Any difference in the platinum book versus the prestige broker or did the trends look pretty constant across those two.

Yes, there is not meaningful differences.

In our auto frequency or severity.

I would say nothing nothing to speak of.

Thank you.

Speaker 11: I think the guidance from the investor day assumed flat loss ratios. Given kind of the earn through of the recent rate increases in commercial lines and potential margin improvement there maybe, I mean I was just kind of wondering...

Thanks.

Alright. Thanks.

From the Investor day assumed flat loss ratios.

Given kind of the earn through of the recent rate increases in commercial lines and from potential margin improvement there maybe I mean I was just kind of wondering.

Speaker 11: I guess the level of conservatism based into the ROE guidance and just if there's any sort of change in the outlook there.

I guess the level of conservatism baked in so the ROE guidance and just if there's any sort of change in the outlook there.

So.

Speaker 4: So, clearly we've talked about the rate that we're getting above loss trend across commercial lines and that will bode well for all of our commercial lines businesses where we're seeing some margin improve.

Clearly we've talked about the rate that we're getting above loss trend across commercial lines and that will bode well for all of our commercial lines businesses, where we're seeing some margin improvement.

Speaker 4: On a short-term basis, in purse lines, for example, clearly the loss ratios will go up from 2021 because we had that enormous frequency benefit in the first half of the year. So no one could continue with a 60% loss ratio or a 62% loss ratio in the first and second quarters. And as those move up a little bit to normal levels, that'll be just fine for us.

On a short term basis.

In personal lines for example, clearly the loss ratios will go up from 2021, because we had that enormous frequency benefit in the first half of the year. So no one could continue with a 60% loss ratio of 62% loss ratio in the first and second quarters and as those move up a little bit.

Get to normal levels that will that will be just fine for us as you think about the Investor day Grace, that's a really long term strategy, where it's over a five year period. So over that particular period, we're assuming that loss ratios will be constant within any given period or any given year theyre going to be.

Speaker 4: As you think about the Investor Day, Grace, that's a really long term.

Speaker 4: strategy where it's over a five year period. So over that particular period, we're assuming that

Speaker 4: loss ratios will be constant. Within any given period or any given year, there are gonna be situations or times where they move up, they move down, where we get more benefit from expenses or claims activities starts to jump in at certain points. So a little hard to answer, but over a five-year period we're comfortable that there'll be an equilibrium between price and loss trends.

Situations or times, where they move up they move down where we get more benefit from expenses or claims activity starts to jump in at certain point, so a little hard to answer but over a five year period, we're comfortable that there'll be an equilibrium between price and loss trends.

Thank you.

Thank you great. Thank you.

Speaker 1: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ms. Lucas Shova for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Lucas show for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for your participation today and we're looking forward to

Thank you everybody for your participation today, and we're looking forward to talking to you next quarter.

Speaker 1: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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