Q4 2021 Oceaneering International Inc Earnings Call
As to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our fourth quarter press release, we welcome your questions. After the prepared statements I will now turn the call over to Rob Good morning, and thanks for joining the call today.
Let me start by saying I am pleased with our achievements in 2021 as our $201 million.
$211 million of adjusted EBITDA slightly exceeded the top end of the adjusted EBITDA guidance range provided at the beginning of the year exceeding the guidance midpoint by 14%.
Except for manufactured products, which is tied to longer cycle market drivers all of our operating segments delivered improved sequential operating results in 2021.
We delivered robust free cash flow in 2021, which supported our ability to repurchase $100 million.
Of our 2024 senior notes and increased our cash position by $86 million during the year to $538 million on December 31, 2021.
I'm encouraged by the supportive market fundamentals that emerged last year and expect this drive this to drive increased activity across all our segments in 2022.
Today I'll focus my comments on our performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2021 or.
Our market outlook for 2022, Oceaneering consolidated 2022 outlook, including our expectation to generate positive free cash flow of between 75 and $125 million and EBITDA in the range of $225 million to $275 million and our segment outlook for the first quarter and full year.
For 2022.
Now moving to our results for the fourth quarter of 2021, our consolidated adjusted earnings before interest taxes, depreciation and amortization or adjusted EBITDA was $46 7 million.
Fourth quarter 2021, consolidated adjusted operating income of $17 million was $1 $2 million higher than in the third quarter on the strength of increased throughput and margins in our manufactured products segment, which more than offset the decline in our <unk> segment and higher unallocated expenses.
Allocated expenses increased due to a material increase in medical and information technology costs recognized during the quarter and additional incentive compensation accruals tied to our strong free cash flow and annual results.
We generated $140 million of cash from operating activities and after deducting $14 4 million of capital expenditures, our free cash flow was $126 million for the quarter.
We made additional progress with debt reduction during the fourth quarter with $37 million of open market repurchases of our 2024 senior notes, bringing total repurchases to $100 million for the year.
Good operating cash flow working capital efficiencies and capital expenditure discipline allowed us to increase our cash position by $94 million during the fourth quarter of 2021.
As of December 31, 2021, our cash balance stood at $538 million.
We made the decision during the fourth quarter to terminate a number of entertainment rides systems contracts with the financially embattled developers.
And its affiliated companies.
As a result, we recorded a net loss of $30 million in connection with these evergrande contracts in our fourth quarter financial results.
In conjunction with these terminations, we reclassified $20 million of contract assets into saleable inventory.
Now, let's look at our business operations by segment for the fourth quarter of 2021, subsea robotics or SSR operating income improved sequentially, despite lower revenue the.
Performance was led by improved pricing in our RV and tooling businesses SSR EBITDA margin of 31% during the fourth quarter improved as compared to the 29% achieved during the third quarter of 2021 and was consistent with the average margin achieved during the first nine months of 2021.
The SSR revenue split was 77% from our remotely operated vehicles or Rovs business and 23% from our combined tooling and survey businesses compared to the $79 21 split respectively in the immediate prior quarter.
As anticipated <unk> days on hire declined as compared to the third quarter due primarily to typical lower seasonal vessel activity.
Fleet utilization declined to 55% in the fourth quarter 2021 from 63% in the third quarter 2021, and our days on hire declined for both drill support and vessel based services.
Our fleet use during the quarter was 62% in drill support and 38% and vessel based services.
Impaired to 57% and 43% respectively during the third quarter.
Fourth quarter 2021 average revenue <unk> revenue per day on hire.
Of $8162 was 4% higher than in the third quarter of 2021.
Days on hire were 12747 in the fourth quarter or 12% lower as compared to 14474 in the third quarter.
We ended the quarter and the year just as we began with a fleet count of 250 <unk> systems at the end of December we had RV contracts from 75 to 137 floating rigs under contract or 55% a slight decrease from September 32021, when we had our OE contracts on <unk>.
Seven of the 133 floating rigs under contract or 58%.
Turning to manufactured products, our fourth quarter 2021 revenue of $103 million was 37% higher than in the third quarter of 2021.
Adjusted operating income and adjusted operating income margin of 9% were substantially higher sequentially, primarily due to better absorption of fixed costs and a favorable favorable project mix.
Bidding activity across our energy products businesses was active but continues to lag in our mobility solutions businesses.
Our manufactured products backlog on December 31, 2021 was $318 million compared to our September 32021 backlog of $334 million.
Backlog declined in the fourth quarter of 2021 reflects a $38 million reduction associated with the Evergrande contract terminations or book to Bill ratio was one one for the full year of 2021 as compared with the trailing 12 month book to Bill of 1.0 on September 32021.
Offshore projects group, our <unk> fourth quarter 2021, operating income declined sequentially on lower revenue.
Revenue declined 11% due to seasonality in the Gulf of Mexico, and the third quarter completion of the Angola, Riser looks light well intervention project.
Fourth quarter 2021, operating income margin of 8% remained consistent with the third quarter 2021, as improved margins from intervention maintenance and repair or <unk> activity.
Positively offset the fixed cost the margin effect of lower revenue.
For integrity management, and digital solutions or <unk> fourth quarter 2021, operating income increased sequentially on slightly lower revenue.
Operating income margin improved to 10% in the fourth quarter 2021 from 9% in the third quarter of 2021 as the business continues to benefit from operational improvements implemented since the beginning of 2020.
Our aerospace and defense technologies or AD Tech fourth quarter 2021, operating income declined from the third quarter of 2021 on a 6% decline and a decrease in revenue.
Operating income margin declined as expected to 13% due to changes in project mix.
Fourth quarter 2021, unallocated expenses of $36 $7 million were sequentially higher due to a combination of increased accruals for incentive based compensation higher than expected health care costs and increased information technology costs.
Now I'll turn my focus to our year over year results of 2021 compared to 2020.
For the year consolidated adjusted operating income improved on a slight revenue increase as compared to 2020.
Adjusted operating income in our energy segments improved by $57 3 million and operating income margin improved by 376 basis points over 2020 results to 9%.
The improved results were.
A result of a shift in the mix of revenue and a continued focus on operational excellence programs. Our AD Tech segment continued to be a steady performer delivering another record year of operating income and margins consistent with 2020.
Compared to 2020 or 2021 consolidated revenue increased 2% to $1 9 billion with revenue increases in our SSR OBG Mds and AD tech segments being partially offset by a decline in our manufactured products revenue.
Consolidated 2021, adjusted operating income and adjusted EBITDA improved by $51 4 million.
$26 $3 million, respectively, led by our LPG and SSR segments.
Overall, we generated adjusted EBITDA of $211 million, a 14% increase over 2020.
We generated $225 million in cash flow from operations and invested $52 million in capital expenditures significant.
Significant free cash flow of $175 million allowed us to repurchase $100 million of our 2024 senior notes, while also increasing our cash balance by 86% $86 million excuse me two $538 million.
We are pleased with the following notable achievements accomplished during 2021.
Each of our five operating segments achieved positive adjusted operating income and positive adjusted EBITDA during each quarter in 2021.
Our <unk> business achieved the most significant improvement of our five operating segments growing revenue by 31% in 2021.
Adjusted operating income improved by almost $37 million and operating income margin improved to 8% as compared to an adjusted operating loss margin of 2% in 2020.
Our subsea robotics business a recognized leader in work class Rovs services continued to achieve best in class drilled support performance with a 99% plus uptime achieved during the year.
We continue to advance our new technologies, adding three new issuance vehicles during the year to serve the renewables market and advancing the technical readiness of freedom, our hybrid rovs and autonomous underwater vehicle.
<unk>, which we expect to be fully commercialized in 2022.
We continue to see significant improvement in our <unk> business with adjusted operating income improving by more than $12 million as compared to 2020.
Recognition of the quality of the <unk> brand was evidenced by more than $80 million in contract awards during the fourth quarter of 2021, bringing the 2021 total to $308 million.
As referenced in our recent press release, and we continue to see growth in this segment for 2022.
Our AD Tech business grew its revenue by 8%, while maintaining its operating income margin over 16% leading to a new record annual operating income and EBITDA performance.
Our ability to generate substantial free cash over the past several years has allowed us to mitigate the risks relating to our 2024 debt maturity.
And we maintained our commitment and focus on safety.
<unk> remained very focused on our lifesaving rules identifying high hazard tasks and developing engineered solutions to mitigate risks.
Our total recordable incident rate or <unk> of four for 2021 remained comparable to the record performance achieved in 2020.
The following annual financial metrics sequentially improved in 2021.
Revenue of $1 9 billion was modestly higher than the $1 8 billion achieved in 2020.
Adjusted EBITDA of $211 million exceeded the top end of the guidance range from the beginning of the year and was 14% higher than the $184 million generated in 2020.
Positive free cash flow of $175 million significantly surpassed the $76 million generated in 2020.
We maintained our commitment to capital discipline by reducing capital expenditures for a second year to $50 million as compared to $61 million in 2020.
Cash increased by $86 million to $538 million.
Outstanding debt decreased to $700 million falling $100 million of open market repurchases of our 2024 senior notes.
Net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio decreased from $1 nine on December 31, 2022, eight on December 31 2021.
Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin of 11% improved from the 10% margin achieved in 2020.
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We continue to make good progress on our sustainability efforts for environmental social and governance initiatives.
From an environmental perspective, we hired an environmental consulting firm and instituted a project together greenhouse gas emissions data for our global office facilities manufacturing facilities and vessels. This project started in 2021 will allow us to establish a baseline that will be used to identify gaps and develop targets for future emissions.
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We continue to develop and evolve technologies, such as remote piloting in autonomous mobile robots to assist our customers in mitigating carbon emissions. This includes offshore environments for clean production of hydrocarbons and energy transition projects and onshore environments for manufacturing hospital and entertainment facilities.
We also added a reducing cotwo <unk> tab to the sustainability portion of our website to highlight the technologies, we are using and developing to.
To reduce environmental impact.
From a governance perspective, we formalized our management and board oversight structures relating to sustainability, we renamed our board's nominating and governance committee to the nominating corporate governance, and sustainability or and CGS Committee.
And created an executive led sustainability committee to guide and oversee the company's ESG priorities.
The sustainability Committee reports to the CGS Committee on a quarterly basis during the last year. The board's composition has evolved with greater gender and ethnic representation and average tenure has decreased.
During 2021 Oceaneering filed its second annual sustainability report, which is posted on our website using the disclosure methodology outlined by the sustainability accounting standards Board in 2022, we plan to file our first task force on climate related financial disclosures report and to <unk>.
<unk>, a new investor presentation outlining our general long term strategies to pivot the company into new markets.
Oceaneering continues to hold in ESG index, a rating with MSCI.
Now turning to our 2020 to outlook for the markets we serve.
Brent pricing of about $70 per barrel sustained a modest level of offshore project sanctioning and good <unk> activity in 2021 the.
The forecast of nearly $90 per barrel in 2022 and anticipated higher prices in the out years should support increased levels of E&P Opex and capex spending in 2022.
Analyst and research service projections for other key metrics. We track also support expectations for increased activity in 2022.
Research source data indicates floating rig day rates are increasing which we view as an indication of increasing demand.
There were approximately 200 tree awards in 2021, and <unk> forecast, a 55 plus percent increase in 2022 to around 320 and remaining near 300 into 2023.
<unk> also forecast 317, three installations in 2022 to be essentially flat to 2021.
Analysts also projected substantial growth in offshore renewables markets over the next decade.
<unk> estimates that offshore wind capex and Opex spending will average around $50 billion per year in 2022 and 2023.
85% increase from the average annual spend between 2016 and 2020.
Bryce did also sees continued double digit growth through the end of the decade with spending are projected to increase to $126 billion by 2030.
And finally, notwithstanding the current government continuing resolution the government related markets. We serve are expected to remain relatively stable with continued modest growth for the foreseeable future.
Now to our 2022 consolidated outlook for Oceaneering.
As a result of our first quarter seasonality in our energy businesses uncertainties regarding U S government appropriations due to the continuing resolution and anticipated expenses needed to prepare for higher activity. In 2022, we expect our first quarter 'twenty to 2022 financial results to be significantly lower as compared to the <unk>.
Fourth quarter of 2021 however.
Based on the year end 2021 backlog projected start dates of new contracts anticipated 2020 to order intake and supportive market fundamentals, we project a greater than commensurate ramp up in the second quarter activity and financial results, which are expected to be sustained throughout the remainder of the year.
We are projecting our 2022 consolidated revenue to grow more than 10% with increased revenue in each of our operating segments led by manufactured products. We expect sequential improvement in our 2020 to financial results based on our expectations for higher operating income and higher margins in each of our energy segments led by <unk>.
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For the year, we anticipate generating 225% to $275 million of EBITDA with increased contributions from each of our segments at the midpoint of this range our EBITDA for 2022.
Would represent an 18% increase over 2021 adjusted EBITDA.
We anticipate our full year 2022 to yield positive free cash flow of $75 million to $125 million. These expectations assume the continuing trend of supportive commodity prices and no significant incremental COVID-19 impacts.
We remain committed to generating cash, which allows us to continue developing and delivering technologies that help our customers produce hydrocarbons in a cleaner safer manner, while increasing our investments into new markets, including energy transition digital asset management, Aerospace and defense solutions and mobility solutions.
For 2022, we forecast our organic capital expenditures to total between $70 and $90 million.
This includes approximately 40% to $45 million of maintenance capital expenditures and 30% to $45 million of growth capital expenditures, we anticipate commodity prices to support growth and free cash generation for traditional customers of our energy businesses. During the 2022 to underpin these investments.
In 2022 interest expense net of interest income is expected to be approximately $38 million and our cash tax payments are expected to be in the range of 40% to $45 million. This includes taxes incurred in countries that impose tax on the basis of in country revenue and bear no relationship to the profitability of such off.
Operations.
Directionally in 2022 for our operations by segment.
Our expectation for improved results for subsea robotics is based on increased revenue.
Increased <unk> days on hire minor shifts in geographic mix and stable to improving pricing.
<unk> for tooling based services are expected to improve with activity levels generally following <unk> days on hire.
Survey results are projected to improve on higher survey and positioning activity and.
And we expect revenue growth in the high single digit range and EBITDA margins to average in the low 30% range for the full year.
For Rovs, we expect our 2021 service mix of 60% drill support and 40% vessel services to generally remain the same through 2022.
Our overall RV fleet utilization is expected to be in the mid 60% range for the year with higher seasonal activity during the third excuse me the second and third quarters.
We expect to generally sustain our RV market share in the 55% to 60% range for drill support services at the end of 2021, there were approximately 23 oceaneering Rovs onboard 20 floating drilling rigs with contract terms expiring during the first six months of 2022.
During the same period, we expect 39 of our Rovs on 33 floating rigs to begin new contracts.
For manufactured products, we projected segment performance to improve on a significant increase in revenue primarily as a result of increased order intake in our energy businesses during 2021.
We are seeing increasing interest in our mobility solutions businesses and currently expect to see marginally higher activity from these businesses in 2022, and see an opportunity to build backlog for a more meaningful contribution in 2023.
<unk> forecast, our operating income margins to be in the mid single digit range for the year.
For <unk> operating results are expected to improve in 2022 on a marginal increase in revenue. This expectation is based on better anticipated pricing improved vessel utilization and increased diving activities more than offsetting the lower revenue from Rigel is light well intervention activities overall for 2022, we forecast operating income margins to average.
And this high single to low double digit range.
Vessel day rates are increasing and we anticipate some challenges with vessel availability in the Gulf of Mexico, and finding vessels at affordable rates in other geographic areas.
However, while we anticipate higher direct costs from labor and third parties. We expect these increased costs to be offset by better pricing.
As per usual. This segment has the highest amount of speculative work incorporating in our guidance and energy commodity prices will need to remain supportive for us to achieve our plan.
<unk> results are forecast to improve on higher revenue continuing the trends seen over the last several years, we believe customers continue to see the value in our service offerings and see good global opportunities for our renewals and business expansion, particularly in the UK and West Africa.
Operating income margin is projected to remain in the high single digit range for the year.
For AD Tech revenue is expected to be higher producing improved operating results. We anticipate growth in all three of our government focused businesses operating income margins are expected to average in the mid teen range for the year.
For 2022, we anticipate unallocated expenses to average in the mid $30 million range per quarter, as we foresee higher information technology expense and higher costs due to inflation as compared to 2021.
For our first quarter 2022 outlook sequentially. As previously noted we forecast our first quarter 2022, EBITDA to be significantly lower on lower revenue as compared to the fourth quarter of 2021, we anticipate higher costs for hiring and training of personnel mobilization of equipment and inflation as we prepare for significant.
Increase in activity forecast for the remainder of 2022.
Lower revenue and operating results in our energy segments, and relatively flat revenue and lower operating results and our AD Tech segment.
In closing our focus is to continue generating meaningful free cash flow growing our service and product offerings, continuing to advance our ESG initiatives and improving our returns by driving efficiencies and consistent performance throughout our organization engaging with our customers to develop value added solutions that increase.
Their cash flow and remaining disciplined in our pricing decisions and our capital deployment strategies and most importantly remaining dedicated to the safety and wellbeing of our employees and our customers.
Thank you to our employees and management teams for navigating through all the global uncertainties to deliver a successful 2021 I also want to thank our shareholders, who have shown faith in our ability to grow and transform the company.
I haven't been able to save this for a while but I am excited to see the growth opportunities across all of our businesses over the next several years.
The operating efficiencies that we put into place over the last several years position us to benefit from this growth while increasing our profitability.
We appreciate everyone's continued interest in oceaneering and will now be happy to answer any questions you might have.
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And your first question comes from Ian Macpherson with Piper Sandler.
Thanks, Good morning Rod.
Good morning.
Yeah.
Of course, we're wondering when we listen to all of your earnings calls this quarter, how realistic guidance as given the melt up in the macro.
And thinking about more about upside sensitivities given.
That backdrop than we are.
Downside.
I recognize that you have a lot of later cycle exposure within your very diverse business mix.
I Wonder if you could talk about.
What parts of your guidance, maybe don't truly reflect the possibility of enduring $100 oil this year in terms of spot market activity in terms of prospects for additional.
BC riser Lasalle Wi campaigns, and earning your backlog today that could materialize.
Or even if its on the defense side.
So yes, let me let me let.
Let me jump on that a little bit and I think Ian let me make sure I got your question right.
If say $100 oil doesn't persist and we go back to a more of a $70 market or even slightly lower this year does that challenge sort of where our ranges today is that is that accurate.
No the opposite I was asking the optical okay. So if so is there more upside if we stay in your 100, yes.
I guess it depends on why.
Will it will it create some near term opportunities in the government side potentially but continuing resolution, we got to see how that offsets what might happen, but there is certainly.
Anything related to defense is going to be I think.
Be more important now than it maybe was a few weeks ago. So I think that's something that we haven't seen yet, but we'll keep an eye on as far as the $100 oil we arent really sensitive to say the areas that's being affected right. Now so you think about north sea Gulf of Mexico.
Those things could I think those things could persist, but again theyre going to be moderated slightly by the availability of the big equipment. So if you start to see people are going to put more rigs up they're going to they're going to be.
We've got the vessels to do the work right now we're competing with vessels with offshore wind. So the upside on oil is a little bit challenged with just the capacity to go out there and get it.
But I think all of those things are are leaning towards the high side as the commodity prices is good.
That makes sense and then it's good to see the free cash flow visibility that you have for this year and I'm curious just given how well you've been able to protect and augment your share.
<unk> services through cycles, we know that there.
There is potentially more competition in that area heading your way.
By at least one.
Good player and.
I Wonder if you could speak to what the capital intensity of maintaining your competitive dominance in that business. It looks like to you in a recovering market with higher activity levels over the next two or three years.
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I think thats a great question, because it's something we don't talk about a lot, but remember our ability to maintain competitive has always been sort of on our our reverse compatibility. So as we develop new things in the Rovs very few of them really generate a brand new vehicle you would think about a very very high percentage of recycle and reuse.
<unk> of the capital, meaning the overboard equipment. The cabins, we use the fish itself still has a high degree of high percentage of reuse. So youre not building for example, a lot of new floatation Youre not building a lot of a lot of the frames are reusable, so we're able to upgrade and <unk>.
Mode at a much lower cost than somebody that's building something from scratch to go out there and compete with us and we go faster.
When you think about supply chain challenges, that's a big thing when you are youre not trying to source everything. So I think we still maintain that advantage, we certainly maintain the geographical footprint advantage.
And we're leveraging that with our customers' risk is high, especially as rig rates go up taking a risk on somebody that hasnt been out there doing it and haven't been established in the region. That's a really that's a good place to lean on the people.
Keep your rigs up and running like we mentioned earlier 99 plus percent of the time.
Yes.
That makes sense I mean, I think it's been a very common and practical symptom of the last downcycle and recovery.
Sector broadly is under spent capex by necessity.
And I guess, what I was trying to tease out from you was made.
Maybe some confidence that you have not been we should not necessarily expect a.
Glaring catch up surprised with Capex.
Beyond 2022 for that reason it sounds like the answer to that is now.
This is Allen in fact.
Do you see a little bit of that ticked up here in 'twenty, two going from a $50 million capex.
Capex in 'twenty one.
The guidance range here.
Somewhere around $80 million and the midpoint of ranges.
Bringing back a little bit of that maintenance capex some of that readiness to serve that we're looking at I mean, we've maintained our assets throughout the whole cycle more than 90% of our RV fleet work during <unk> 'twenty. One so our equipment is pretty much ready to serve today, we are having to bring back a few more assets.
Online here in the first quarter just to be able to see that ramp up in Q2 Q3.
We foresee so.
It's not a significant amount at this point in time, I think it's where we actually are retrofitting and getting into these first type vehicles, where we're seeing increased demand in the offshore wind markets.
And even that as Rod said.
Trophic with existing.
<unk> to make it in this room, we're reusing repurposing the existing over boarding equipment, so that Lars will win the controls and things of that nature. So.
All said, it's not a significant cash or all to do that.
That's great Thanks, Alan and Rod appreciate your insights.
Thanks Ian.
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Taylor Zucker with Tudor Pickering Holt.
Hey, Good morning, Taylor, Hey, good morning, Hey, Rod now and thanks for taking my question first one on.
On free cash flow and capital allocation, So Q4 free cash flow Super strong in 2022 outlook, it's pointing to.
<unk> healthy free cash flow in here already yet net leverage below one times and has headed lower over the course of 2022, So clearly 2022 youre going to be some more growth capital, which makes a lot of sense.
Relative to <unk>.
The capital program and the prior years.
So I guess my question is with leverage where it's at in the free cash flow profile remaining pretty healthy how you're thinking about the potential for shareholder distributions, whether it's buybacks or dividends at some point down the line.
On one hand and on the other hand balancing that sort of pursuit with continued gross capital pursuits is there is there.
Our net debt or gross debt target, you're looking for before you make that decision or.
Is it just kind of a TBD type type of thing right now.
I'd say right now it's more of a TBD I mean, we're certainly encouraged seeing the metrics go down below.
One at this point in time, and if you factor in our guidance range generate at the midpoint about $100 million of cash.
Effectively getting real close to.
A neutral position on cash at that point in time by year end.
So I think it affords us a lot of flexibility I think we really want to pursue some of these additional growth opportunities more this year, we don't want to get out over our skis. So we want to make certain Q1 tends to be a little bit more of a cash trough. The last several years for us and then we rebuild the next two quarters in Q2 Q3 and Q4.
To me when we generate more of our cash so right now we're going to continue to monitor.
Outlook for FY 'twenty, two we feel very optimistic.
On the opportunities here.
But I think it's going to be more focused on some elements of growth both.
And new energy kind of areas as well as mobile robotics, and maybe add tech <unk> mean, if you look at our growth propeller chart. Those are the elements where we are.
The ability to spend some extra cash we're going to pursue those first and foremost this year.
Yes that makes sense and just a quick follow up there.
At least off the top of my head, it's been a little while since you've done.
M&A.
And as I think about capital allocation I'm, just curious where inorganic growth.
Some of the ranking list.
Today, whether it's in the energy end market, new energy end market or non energy end market.
I think what you'll want youll likely see us it's a lot like what Alan just said, it's where we can find.
Probably bolt on things that fit to help us drive those things that are on what we call. Our propeller chart that really put us onto growth vectors that are there.
A lot stronger than what we see in traditional oil and gas and I say traditional oil and gas because some of those really are theres still within the oil and gas business, but they but they tend to serve more of that leading edge of the cleaner safer barrels and lower carbon emissions associated with servicing those those those reservoirs that are.
Already in place so.
I would just watch that space, we talk a lot about it about how we how we move that direction and kind of seat growth.
I don't think it's really hard to say there may be some cases, where we find something we look at things, but we want things that drive us in that in that direction that we're moving with turning the whole company towards what's coming next for energy.
Got it and one last question for me is is on OTG for 2022, so it sounds like the 2020 outlook is largely just the same way you provided last quarter.
And you've given us three sort of drivers for the improved performance are expected improved performance for 2022 mature.
Increased diving activities better pricing improved vessel utilization. So my question is.
Do we need to see some more.
More discrete contract.
Project work the awarded to Oceaneering in the coming months and quarters for you to hit that 2022 outlook or just given that the three factors that I just mentioned and that you mentioned that was good enough for you to see healthy growth in that business year on year.
I think it's a mixture of both right because because we get just general callout speculative work drives the Gulf of Mexico. So that's the side maybe to the first three you mentioned that will drive a healthy robust activity. There and then and then for international work, it's going to be more about discrete opportunities because they require more planning a lot of time.
So theres not theres not a vessels sitting in fushun way to go through this work, we've got to bring something into West Africa or somewhere in the Asia Pacific region. So so they are a little bit more discreet opportunities that sort of.
You can still build a body of work around them, but you need that first one to go in getting the area and start start building off of you need an anchor project to get there and.
And those take time, so I mean, it's one of those you'd have to see some of that really.
By Q2, if you want to see it impact the current year.
Still to be a good building story for 2003.
Understood. Thanks for the answers.
Thanks Dale.
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Bianchi with Cowen.
Good morning.
This is actually Jim Schumm, how are you.
Hey, Jim.
Alright.
Right.
So I was wondering if you could give some more color on AD tech results have been drifting lower over the past few quarters and I believe youre expecting lower results in the first quarter, but the full year outlook is pretty strong.
So just curious what kind of backlog do you have in this business and what gives you the confidence that margins will rebound.
Well first of all I think part of part of what was happening in AD Tech is a little bit of mix. When you kind of see the end of the year towards later in the end of the year in the first quarter. Its a lot around continuing resolution and even though and then I'll get to this next a lot of our projects are funded they are ongoing there.
Things that we've been doing for a number of years in some cases that they just renewed the contract and we move forward and so while there is not what we would call. The same backlog that we have another areas. There are things that funding gets renewed year over year. So so they are continuing thing, but also even in those contracts, while youre and continue.
The resolution the customers are a little cautious they slow down a little bit they kind of wonder how long they have to make their allowance last so to speak so they so they do.
Slow down a little bit. So if you think about a little bit of a little bit of a tentative spend and a little bit of mix change and that's why that's why we think we see what we do right now.
That will become clear even if even if we remain under continuing resolution they'll know what they want to do and I expect that actually could create.
A little bit of a resurgence just some amount of understanding of what it's going to be and then the other part is we know from those contracts that continue on like I mentioned before.
They're going to be there in the back half of the year and work will be done in the mix does improve later in the year, Yes, I think that's the primary thing.
A lot more of that.
The lower margin touch labor kind of work that is still proceeding.
Under this continuing resolution and the expectation that as that resolves itself that.
That will start to see some of the higher value added type projects brought in.
Where we do more complex engineering type activities.
Okay, great understood.
And then just last one for me in the first quarter is there.
Particular segment that that might be weakest sequentially versus the fourth quarter.
I think we're just kind of.
Not give any kind of specific guidance on segments at this point, Jim I mean, there is as I said most of them are going to be lower.
Quarter on quarter.
And Theres really.
Some elements. So we just looked at the year and looked at where things could fall and at this point in time, where we're more focused on just getting our readiness to serve as we call. It.
Really meet the demand in Q2 Q3 so.
We're just not going to give guidance on segments at this point.
I would just add this is Jim I think you've probably been hearing this in the onshore world, we're seeing a little more seasonality this year than we had seen in the past and we expect that because there was there was some caution about.
Budgets were sort of meet it out over the entire year and so that sort of.
Leveraged a lot of the assets.
Elton work and the weather window, when we didn't do that before some of that was COVID-19 and work continuity. Just just meant that we spread the work out more than we have.
In past years and this year, we just I think some of that is caught up and we just see more of that normal seasonality and thats. So you can kind of I guess, you can kind of translate that into the businesses a little bit more a little more color then Alan gave you but.
Get an understanding of what we see happening.
Again.
It's also why we think that Q2 Q3.
Are going to shift back to the busy busy quarters like we've had in the past.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
At this time there are no further questions I'll now turn the call to the speakers for any closing remarks.
Thanks, Erica well since there are no further questions I'll, just wrap up by thanking everybody for joining the call and this concludes our fourth quarter and full year 2021 conference call. Thanks, everybody have a great day.
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