Q4 2021 Everspin Technologies Inc Earnings Call
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And now I'd like to turn the call over to ever spent executive chairman and interim CEO .
Darrin Biller back Darren Please go ahead.
Thank you operator, and thanks to everyone for joining us on the call. Today Q4 results came in above the high end of guidance as mentioned in our press release, we were GAAP net income positive for the third quarter in a row. We were also had positive GAAP net income for the year that ended December 31, 2021, which is the first ever spends here.
Our revenue for Q4 was 23% higher than Q3, and 82% higher than Q4, a year ago being the GAAP net income positive on a consistent basis is obviously a focus for the company. We believe this demonstrates that being laser focused on improving product yields controlling opex spending growing our.
Topline, while keeping gross margins in a healthy range will drive profitability.
A few records we achieved in Q4, 'twenty 'twenty 2021 .
Record annual total revenue.
Record annual product revenue record Q4 product revenue.
Record annual design wins again in 2021 after setting a record in 2020, a record of more than 1600 volume production customers record low distributor inventory showing strength of our sell through any impact of supply chain, although I'm not really sure I'm proud of that record record 2022 product.
Light log is at an all time high despite being impacted by supply constraints that left over $2 million of customer demand unfulfilled, we had the largest toggle quarter since 2018 distributor inventories still very lean and well below our target as we continue to fight for every wafer and every test or we can get its doubtful.
We can get into a healthy inventory range until 'twenty twenty-three, assuming all goes well with respect to allocations S. T. T revenue was flattish as our largest customer was also saddled with supply constraints. The good news is that ever spent was not the constraint culprit. However, based on other suppliers. We do expect S. E. T revenue continued to be flat for the next.
Couple of quarters on the R&D front, we are in the process of checking out our next generation S. T T product, which we expect to samples, which we expect samples to be out later in March. This is right on track for what we expected knock on wood our checkout. So far shows no major issues. We believe this new product will be revolutionary in its ability.
To serve both the SRAM replacement market along with mid density rugged newer applications, where no other mark no other memory can play.
Finally, with respect to our deliberate strategy of monetizing our IP, we recognized $3 $95 million in revenue in Q4 related to IP transactions. We are pleased to note that our cash and cash equivalents over $21 million as of the end of the year I will now turn it over to our CFO unusual Agra wall, who will take you through our fourth.
Quarter financials in first quarter 2022 guidance.
You Darren and good afternoon, everyone. We're excited to report ever since best ever quarterly.
Delivering a strong finish to a record here despite supply constraints I'm happy to announce that ever spin reached profitability for the first time at year end. They delivered solid quarterly results by 23% revenue growth over last quarter, beating top end of guidance positive net income of $3 7 million and positive cash.
Flow from operations of $6 4 million for the fourth quarter.
Revenue for the fourth quarter of 2021 came in at $18 2 million compared to $14 8 million last quarter and $10 million in the fourth quarter of 2020.
MRM product sales in the fourth quarter, which include both toggle and <unk> <unk> revenue was $12 6 million versus $12 million in the prior quarter and $9 7 million in Q4 of 2020 in Q3 2021, the company entered into an IP monetization deal with $5 5 million $3 95.
And revenue was recognized in Q4 licensing royalties patents and other revenue in the quarter was $5 6 million compared to $2 8 million in the previous quarter and <unk> 3 million in the prior year period. The increase in revenue is due to strong toggle sales Rad hard revenue recognition and the <unk>.
It monetization deal shipments.
To suppliers for our largest end customer who we serve with our high density STD product for data center applications represented 23, 4% of revenue in the quarter versus 28, 5% of revenue in Q3, and 39, 9% in the year ago quarter.
Turning to gross margins GAAP gross margin for the fourth quarter of 2021 was 62, 8% versus 57, 1% in the prior quarter and 52% in Q4 'twenty.
A higher gross margin compared to the prior quarter is driven by Rad hard revenue recognition and the IP monetization deal.
GAAP operating expenses for the first fourth quarter of 2021, or $7 7 million versus $7 4 million in the prior quarter and $6 4 million in the same quarter one year ago. The increase was primarily for 28 nanometer product development sales and marketing variable compensation.
And administrative costs GAAP operating expenses for the fourth quarter of 2021 included 753000 of stock based compensation compared to $1.0 million to $3 million last quarter and $1 3 million.
In the year ago quarter, we expect R&D expense to grow in 2022 as we prepare for the launch of our 28 nanometer SPT MRM product targeted at industrial and other broad based applications. We are pleased to report fourth quarter positive net income of $3 7 million or <unk> 19 per share based on $19.
4 million basic weighted average shares outstanding. This compares to a GAAP net income of 880000 or <unk>.
Per basic share in the third quarter of 2021, and a GAAP net loss of $1 6 million or <unk> 10 per basic share in the fourth quarter of 2020.
Basic EPS of <unk> 19 cents was better than our guidance, reflecting our strategic operational discipline and strong gross margins in the face of tightening supplies and.
High margins from IP deals turning to the balance sheet cash and cash equivalents increased to $21 4 million at the end of the fourth quarter compared to $14 6 million at the end of the prior quarter and $14 6 million in Q4 'twenty cash.
Cash flow from operations was positive at $6 4 million for the current quarter compared to $1 9 million in the prior quarter and 6 million positive for Q4 of last year turning.
To our first quarter 2022 guidance demand for our toggle products remained strong we expect industry supply constraints to limit supply and push them unfulfilled customer demand into Q2, we expect Q1 revenue.
To be between $13 4 million to $14 2 million, we expect a GAAP income per basic share of between negative <unk> <unk> and breakeven primarily driven by expenses related to next generation 28 nanometer FCT MRM product and price increases from our suppliers ill now turn it back over to Darren for some brief.
Additional commentary before we open it up for questions.
Thanks <unk> in summary, we continue to build towards the future profitable sustainable growth Q4's, GAAP positive net income in 2021, GAAP profitability are testaments to the hard work and extra effort every ever spend team member put in to control our cost improve our yields and ship everything we could in a very constrained semi.
Conductor supply network.
I'm excited not only by what we accomplished in Q4, but to be handing the reins of Everson CEO leadership after Sandeep Agra wall to both continue the momentum from 2021, but also pave the way for greater things forever spend in the future I'm very comfortable with this move along with partnering with Sanjiv on our strategic long range plan operate.
You May now open the line for questions.
Okay.
Thank you as a reminder to ask a question you will need to press star one on your telephone to withdraw your question press. The pound key our first question comes from Raj Gill with Needham <unk> company.
You May proceed with your question.
Yeah. Thank you for taking my questions and congrats.
TCG and also congrats on a strong year.
Just a question on the supply situation you mentioned in your prepared remarks.
Just trying to kind of question unmet demand into the second quarter. I think you had mentioned there was at least $2 million of unmet demand.
Because of the supply constraint environment I'm wondering how confident you are in terms of that demand.
It would be realized in the second quarter.
Given the current supply constraint environment that you talked about kind of given given your commentary that it appears that youll have to wait till 2023 to get a better supply situations. So just wanted to talk a little bit.
Long term in terms of how youre getting supply this year going into next year.
And that kind of unmet demand.
Yeah. So so our backlog for 2022, it's as strong as we've ever seen and a lot of that I mean, some of that is driven by the fact that we've pushed our lead times out so far because we just can't get the capacity that we need and again if you remember when it started to get constraint. We already have a lot of wafers in the pipeline and then as it continue.
To be constraint that impacts us because of the lead times are so long. So we were able to kind of fight our way through last year and then here we come in Q1, and Q2 and stuff starting to tightened down and again, we've got some upside in the second half of last year. So we've been able to just keep our head above water on all these things.
But it is starting to get to the point, where we're leaning inventory we're doing all these other things.
Just to be able to ship. So we're comfortable in the position that we have but even if somebody let's say turned on in Q3 of this year said, Okay. We've got all this additional supply it still takes US a lead time for us to get that through our pipeline is on the order of almost six months, sometimes even longer so you wouldn't really see those impacts until 'twenty.
23, and that's what I was alluding to is it's you know, it's just a long slog for us to get out of this thing and we're doing it a little bit at a time like we can pull some material forward, if we get new material expedite stuff through testers and also through the backend for packaging.
But it's tough and we thought it would ease up a little bit by now, but it really hasn't and yeah. We haven't seen a lot of impacts from any of the current crisis in the last six days.
But I'm sure that you know that could impact things also.
I see.
In terms of.
Of your.
The record backlog that you're seeing in particularly around toggle I'm wondering if you can kind of distinguish between kind of unit growth versus kind of price increases when you're looking at your dollar size of your backlog or are you kind of raising pricing, which is contributing to kind of a higher dollar volume, but our backlog or is it.
Really.
In part driven by by just unit growth with respect to adoption of toggle yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we are price increases were just to cover some of the price increases that we got we by no means tried to raise them, where we focus on our customer has longevity and not just the tactical out area of it. So our backlog is actually a combination of I think people freaking out that there might not be.
Capacity for them and so a lot of people are ordering earlier than they normally would and we're seeing that but we went back and looked at every single customer that we have and said if anybody double booking or unusually booking and we can't find any incidences of that we did have one we alluded to that last quarter, where there was one company that came in.
I was trying to order double what they had and we're like no no no that's not going to happen unless you can show US design their design wins on the other end because we didn't want to take that capacity away from other customers. So we've been managing that for about 12 months now.
But it feels comfortable that that that demand is real and I'm sure at some point in time for all semiconductors some of that demand may be perishable.
But for right now in the foreseeable future, we don't see that.
And in terms of your kind of IP monetization strategy.
This year I'm, sorry last year was 11 11 million plus.
Up from about $2 million in 2020, so pretty big increase.
How are you thinking about the IP monetization this year.
And how do we think about kind of the Rad hard recognition.
The revenue and I'm, just trying to get a sense of what the mix of licensing and royalty will be this year.
Yes.
Falling in 2021 yeah. So the harder one to call is when Youre doing specific licensing that's not related to a product specific request.
That's always difficult to be able to say, yeah, we're going to have two or three of those through the year. So those are a little bit more random forest, but but we're always in the process. So so you'll see over time all of a sudden we will come up we'll say okay. We've got some licensing agreement with X Y Z and we'd always mention their name. The other one that I think is more important to us.
And this IP deal is really ongoing discussions with some things like government agencies and things. That's happening is the United States is bringing more manufacturing onshore and so what we're finding is a lot of opportunity there and that's specifically very similar to those Rad hard deals that we talked about where there is a license agreement upfront.
And then you have these royalty attachments to that over time, and we don't by any means to give up any of our IAP during those but what we ended up doing is being able to help other people design their specific products and there's a toll on that you know obviously the told at the beginning is really the licensing agreement. Then there is a lot of NRT, where we help them through that.
And that's been a very successful model to us.
And it's probably for us that's something that we think is quite a bit more reoccurring. The other one is more.
It's more random, but it can be bigger in nature.
And just for my last question a news the gross margins have improved materially over over last year and 2021, a lot of that obviously was because of the IP monetization, but you are getting.
Excuse me better product yield.
As we kind of.
Q4 was very high.
Gross margins so as you kind of look into 2022.
Have you guys kind of centered around a certain type of gross margin range that you want to you want to operate at.
Yeah, Yeah Raj and so.
And I know you know we don't we don't really guide on the full year 2022, but.
For gross margin, we're still very comfortable believing that it will be within the low to mid fifties long term.
We saw some price increases from suppliers like like Darren mentioned, we took some.
Actions to increase pricing to offset some of that so we feel comfortable that it'll be in the low to mid fifties, we were fortunate to see.
Some toggle yield improvements and mix and things like that supporting the gross margin that that gave us a little bit of uplift but.
But you're right a lot of the gross margin uplift again was the Rad hard deal in the IP monetization.
Great and sorry, if I can just.
Please one more in terms of the Opex.
Based on the guidance and obviously, you're not providing guidance for gross margins, but but it implies that the opex is going to move up.
Almost almost $1 million or so.
So.
Or are we going to see kind of an uptick in opex in Q1 for 20 nanometer and then it kind of normalizes or is that going to be the run rate off that high base going forward throughout 2022. Thank you.
Yeah. So you know.
So we're trying to be obviously.
Pretty frugal and careful right on how we're spending money on opex. So.
Trying to limit that and make decisions based on if it makes sense and we're supporting for example, the 28 nanometer investment and we need to do it we're doing those things.
But I would I would just look at it in terms of.
We're trying to keep opex flat habit increase less than 10%. So we're trying to be mindful on the investment you're very careful this quarter might be a little bit high in terms of opex, but I wouldn't say it was sustained throughout the year.
Let me add onto that a little bit.
So whenever you have a new product then you've got a lot of wafers running through your trying to debug that product. There's a lot of R&D spending in different spending that that gets attached to that and because we are actually so healthy with that product right. Now again knock on wood right are healthy on that that accelerates some of that spending but then once you get to <unk> all of that gets converted.
So once we once we pass our high volume manufacturing requirements as far as saying Hey, This is production ready than a lot of those NRA and other things that we write office R&D and Opex just go right into the product cost and so youre going to see that go up our hope is that we can shorten that process quite a bit.
But it's unusual alluded to.
It's going to go up a little bit as we kind of walk through it and we expect that to kind of come down to a standard rate very similar to how we ran at the beginning of last year before we taped out the product.
You so much.
Yeah.
Thank you our next question.
Comes from Board Hirschmann.
Hi.
I mean, Richard Shannon with Craig Hallum, We have received with your question.
Okay.
Okay, Great guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Let me follow up on the topic of supply chain here I think what I heard from you Darrin on that one is that you talked about an impact of about $2 million. It can be pushed into the second quarter based on the supply chain not normalizing until next year I'm, assuming that we're probably going to hear a message next quarter about some push out of demand.
Just based on supply changes that your expectation or do you think it's only been one quarter phenomenon and in fact Carl.
Without giving out guidance I would say that could be likely.
Right I mean, we're going to do everything we can to pull everything into every quarter that we can do.
Because again, we're just trying to grow and I know this is going to get freed up eventually where youre not as tight and we do have multiple suppliers and you're well aware of this Richard is that we have multiple front end suppliers that we can push and pull from the biggest challenges as we go through that is getting all of these wafers through the back end and I think that's that's kind of a hardship.
We're seeing today is really just can we get all this stuff cramps or especially when you're.
In a market, where everybody is trying to gouge on prices and this and that so sometimes I'm more worried about the margins during the recovery because I think to get more waivers youre going to probably have to pay more in a constrained environment.
We haven't changed our model by the way our gross margin model is identical to the same as what we had mentioned on the product side. It does move it up as we talked about an unusual alluded to.
Bottom line is we think we're comfortable with the model that we have out in front of us.
But I, it's hard to predict these constraints because on one side you get push out the other side, you get upsides and a half.
It can happen in a 24 hour period.
Yeah.
It's got to be funded manage through thanks for that detail there.
Another quick follow up you mentioned lead times have gone up a lot can you quantify that and what was kind of normal whatever a year year and a half ago or whatever that was just to get some sense of.
Quantity and scalar.
Thing about ours or our suppliers.
George what's your according to your customers.
Oh right now we're quoting out to Q3.
Q3, and Q4 of 2022.
Like 2025 weeks Omar Yeah, and in some cases, we already have I mean, this is outrageous and some cases, we already have demand for 2023.
So what were the artifact.
The people just they are basically putting in their demand and demand in there, saying hey, just what I see for my long term demand don't forget about me, Here's my backlog and Theyre, just putting it into the system.
And it's amazing, but it's an artifact of what's going on in the worldwide constraint.
Yes, because I don't know if you remember before we got into this constraint, we would say oh, yeah, we'd enter a back we'd enter the quarter with you now.
Percentage of backlog that was fairly consistent with booked throughout the quarter, you get turns and different things booked throughout the quarter and then as we got into constraints. The whole quarter was booked before we started and then the next quarter was partially booked now youre starting to see a couple of quarters being booked.
And stuff booked all the way to 2023.
Okay, Okay perfect. Thanks for that detail there.
Let's see let's talk about the new S E T product youre going to start sampling I think later this month.
What kind of timeframe should we expect for milestones for simply being done engagements with customers.
Revenues, especially as I assume that this is sometime in 2023, but wanted to get a little bit more detail on what youre seeing right now.
So we expect to actually sample this month.
That's our goal right and Theres nothing that we can see at least for right now not be able to at least get our alpha samples out for our customers and then after that it's a fact of of just having the reference design design kits themselves right the development kits.
And then we should be off to the races, and as you know it's going to take some of these design wins take time, others are conversions from some of our older toggle products into this.
Specific product.
But like you said, we have never really counted on much revenue in 2022, However, 2023, our expectations that will grow that product margin modestly through time.
It is a killer product and it's in the correct place as far as the SRAM density is if youre not aware. This has been our 64 megabit and 128 drops down to 32, it really extends our product our toggle product lines. So think of it as our low density S E T product.
So it's not the big one or two gig product. This is are.
64, megabit, so its targeted right at the meat of the replacement market for data logging SRAM.
Okay.
Product need any especially interfaces for customers or any other go to market <unk>.
Dynamics like reference designs boards, whatever that happens at the Ameren typically has done in the past or is this you see this as most of you the seamless transition customer attention should be should be obvious just a matter. How fast you can convert them. Yeah, we expect it to be drop and compatible for S. SRAM with some firmware, obviously you'd have some firmware updates and.
Same thing in the north so both for SRAM and nor do we expect to have to do firmware updates, which is pretty standard, but it's a it's dropping capable with all the standard interfaces.
Okay. Perfect last question for me just on toggle here.
Obviously, you don't give us exact numbers here, but as I try to ferret out what I think was going on here in the past year plus.
We grew it probably somewhere in the mid teens area best guess.
With an acceleration in the back half of the year.
I guess my question is more in an unconstrained environment, but if you want to talk about and constrained one that's that's helpful to Darrin, but.
How do you how would you want people to think about the growth opportunities here.
Nice design wins, we don't know when they hit we don't know how big the designs are but.
What's your what's your expectation for growth going forward on toggle for the next year or two.
For 2021 quarter on quarter lever highest signal a high single digits between.
Between Q3, and Q4 right we were high single digits year on year, we were double digit growth I think as you alluded to and if we look at next year without giving out guidance I don't know.
Going to be dependent on our supply more than anything, but I don't know that I wouldn't.
Let's say that it should be about the same thing.
We should be able to continue to grow that product based on the design win we talked about all the design wins that we had plus all the new customers that we have so the good news is we're growing.
Like the the C is rising versus one or two things.
Up so it's kind of a nice place to be so it's the tide's rising comfortably. However, the biggest issue we're going to have is going to be supply.
Okay Fair.
Fair enough that is all from me guys. Thank you alright.
Alright, Thanks Richard.
Thank you and as a reminder, it's asked a question you will need to press star one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Orin Hirschman with AIG Partners. You May proceed with your question.
Hi, I will always defer it to Richard ahead of me so.
I'm, okay with that.
In terms of the new products to follow up on what Richard said.
I want you to just go through again drop in replacements.
That shorten the design cycle from what it normally would be and.
Are there cost over there actually already be able to do some pre preparation in advance of sampling or not in real life.
Well no no real life is is a simple deal where you take an SRAM and youll hear drop and capable you can drop it into somebody else's.
Reference design and then in some cases, you might have some identifications and some microcontroller firmware that you'd actually have to update and that's standard practice in fact multiple if you. If you have high volume customers they might have three or four different suppliers and they're with different models that they run for us it's about to get those design wins.
It still takes time, because they have to verify that the design actually works with our product.
So we don't we don't think it's going to be a 30 day deal where they swap over for sure, but that's all baked into our plan of growth on 2023, So we expect to get a lot of those outlets.
Let's call it the heavy lifting out of the way with our key customers. This year and then they can begin to transition that over into 2023 period.
That includes both replacement for toggle, but doesn't that also include a lot.
Designs as well.
Replacement.
Correct. If we're just replacing for instance, the 64 megabit SRAM, it's a drop in product that you just change the firm are on so and that was the intention we struggled with our first STD product because it didn't have standard interfaces on it and people had to use either an FPGA or earn a sick right. So so this is a departure from that.
And we can also drop it in this specific nor areas, where they need high reliable nor products that they need extended cycling an extended data retention.
And so my follow up question on that was it.
The door is it.
Is it a drop in replacements for nor as well.
Yes.
It has that interface they'll have like an spi interface, which is the standard interface on the memory bus and so when you look at that it still is a change for firmware and different things, but its not like as long as you're in the same package with the same pan out with the same interfaces you can drop these things in and the intention is like obviously nor in that memory if you.
Look at nor on that density.
Gonna be a commodity if you just go after standard nor but if youre going after the niche memory market, which is like high reliable high speed, let's say you needed faster read faster right and you use.
A much higher retention and you still wanted to be able to run those products a lot of people are seeing and need for that especially in these high density automotive markets that youre starting to see people want to not have to have redundant memories. They just like to have one that's that's robust.
So a follow up on that as well and then one last question after that follow up on that is in terms of what you need is a family to get the densities, where the C code.
Outstanding kind of stand out the curve.
Having that greater density as the mill replacement.
Are you going to have those down when do those density adult sample.
This year.
So the product family that we have today can can run somewhere between about a 32, Meg and a 128 comfortably we could scale up to a $2 56, if we wanted.
If we are talking about Super high density nor that would be an S. T T product that would be similar in configuration to what we're selling today, except even higher densities and those products. If you look at nobody in the world can do it today, so nobody in the world can produce a one gig.
Nor memory that is cost effective.
Right. They may stack, a bunch of things they may take $5 12 in may, but do a bunch of multi level sell stuff.
But they're not going to be doing that and affordable fashion. So one can articulate that are you now look at this in the sense of on 22 nanometer for our devices. It's a pretty fair fight. If you go below 22 nanometer Amiram would win.
On the high density portion, assuming there was a big enough market on high density nor that isn't absorbed by store and download using NAND and a ramp. So we know all the architectures. If you don't remember, who I am Iran. Intel's Flash division for a decade.
So I have a pretty good understanding of what Intel did what AMD did and what what these markets look like so it's not it's not.
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Unconceivable that you Couldnt get there, but that's not where bank in this strategy short term on we know we can get there, but that's going to take us time to be able to get to that point in time.
Okay last question is just in terms of.
The large license.
Steel and licensing in general.
For Q1.
Any approximation.
Somewhat.
Advertising Q1 of this year.
Could you repeat the question I don't think I caught that.
Yes, I'm sorry in terms of the large licensing deal from this quarter as well as just normal whats teed up on the on the it side.
Any guesstimate as to IP revenue.
Q1, or IP revenue that that's clearly in Q1, just based on amortization or whatever you could share with US yeah, we try not to forecast or give out guidance on our mix of IP, but we've been very consistent as we'd like our IP to be somewhere around 10% of our total revenue. That's always our goal there just going to be quarters, where it could be less in quarters, where.
We can be more but we try not to forecast that we just tell you. That's our overall goal because that gives us healthy margin also gives us healthy cash from operations.
Okay. Another way another way of phrasing. It is the robust product demand for Q1 and capacity constraints beyond that thank.
Thank you very much you got it.
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Thank you and I'm not showing any further questions. At this time I would now like to turn the call back over to a new Jaguar Wolfe for any further remarks.
Thank you operator, and so there's no more further questions. We can now disconnect the call. Thank you.
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