Q4 2021 Rocky Brands Inc Earnings Call
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And I'll now turn the conference over to Jason Brooks, Chief Executive Officer of Rocky brands.
Thank you Brendan.
With me on today's call is Tom Robertson, our Chief Financial Officer.
As you saw in our earnings release 2021 was another very good year for Rocky brands.
<unk> by sustained demand for our brands and products, coupled with a healthy inventory level, we capitalized on numerous market opportunities to strengthen our wholesale relationships and meaningful meaningfully expand our retail presence.
21 was also a year in which we significantly enhanced our brand portfolio and nearly doubled our sales through the acquisition of honeywell's performance and lifestyle footwear business in March.
Since closing the transition we've mitigated their inventory onto our distribution platform and during the fourth quarter, we accomplished the critical step of moving the business onto our ERP system.
Admittedly the inventory in distribution integration didn't go as seamlessly as we had hoped we experienced some temporary challenges in the second half of the year. It limited our ability to fully capitalize on demand for this year.
That said the internal issues that hampered our recent performance have improved each month, and we achieved record net revenue and record adjusted profitability for the year, reflecting the positive impact of the acquired business and the underlying strength of our brands and the bell.
Fitch of our vertically integrated manufacturing.
Today, our Ohio distribution center is processing more shipments than ever before and continues to gain efficiencies, while our new distribution center in Reno, Nevada, which has nearly doubled our square footage to over 650000 feet is on track to be fully functional.
By the end of the first quarter and despite industry wide sourcing challenges, we finished 2021 and a very strong inventory position.
With 40% of our manufacturing coming from our North American operated facilities, we have ample supply to capitalize on the strong momentum that has carried into 2022, especially as many of our competitors are still struggling to procure products.
Shifting to a review of our fourth quarter like the first nine months of the year demand for our brands remains strong while we again were unable to completely fulfill demand. Unlike last quarter, where we were able to drive results in line with our revised expectations fourth.
<unk> sales increased 93% over Q4, 2020 to $169 5 million with our guidance range established during last quarter's call.
Overall, I am pleased with our results and I am excited about our potential as we begin put our distribution challenges fully behind us.
Let's now take a look at some of the drivers of our recent performance.
Similar to our last call Im going to discuss our Ohio in Boston groups separately.
Starting with our Ohio group full year sales increased 21% while sales in the fourth quarter increased 3%, reflecting the impact from delayed fulfillment.
Our performance has been driven by strong demand, particularly in our wholesale segment.
Beginning with wholesale demand for the Durango brand remains at an all time high several key customers across traditional western and farm and ranch retail contributed to Durango performance as strong holiday demand and the resumption of rodeos throughout the country provided a nice tailwind.
Overall, the brand finished up strong double digits for the year and up low double digits for the fourth quarter.
While shipments did slow over the second half of the year, we were able to fulfill orders at a better rate than the majority of the industry competition.
This market dynamic helped fuel an acceleration in demand for our historical top western sellers and allowed many of our new products to gain added shelf space.
The pace of Durango as business picked up as the quarter progressed with near record shipments for the brand in December .
Turning to Georgia boot fourth quarter sales were added by a record breaking fall booking season, resulting in several million dollars of new business for the brand this year.
While results were constrained as demand exceeded distribution center output much like the western category competition continued to experience delivery wells, allowing us to take advantage of our Dominican Republic production capabilities to help reduce our dependency on third party Asian.
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The Rocky brand, which spans work outdoor western and commercial military was able to generate solid gains over 2020, despite distribution and supply chain headwinds.
Starting with our outdoor segment in what has been traditionally strong quarter for e-commerce business disruption challenges shifted that focus to break brick and mortar.
Availability of traditional best sellers with a nice injection of new product resulted in increased shelf space at some of the largest retailers this holiday season.
Youll remember that last quarter, we began prioritizing seasonal product distribution and that paid off in a big way for outdoor.
Our availability inventory positions on several key styles help rocky take advantage of strong market trends, coupled with many vendors struggling to keep up with demand due to supply chain challenges.
Rocky Western continued its strong trend upward with mid teen increases in the U S. Wholesale business this quarter solid sell through with key retailers and new distribution with large box stores drove the increase sales.
As has been the theme this quarter competitor sourcing struggles created opportunities a rocky western was well positioned to capitalize.
Being in stock was also key for Rocky work as retailers look for product to fill strong consumer demand that is still outpacing supply.
And while still early the exclusive product partnership with Zappos, we unveiled during the third quarter continued its strong start in the fourth quarter.
Rockies commercial military business was up against a tough comparison in the fourth quarter as it lapped some large contract sales a year ago on top of this we were low on inventory are very compliant boots as a result of some staffing shortage in Puerto Rico.
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Despite the tough finish for the year, we are optimistic the business is poised to rebound rocky commercial military is a very loyal and avid following.
The demand for the ever popular SUV collection has not diminished and the new products being developed and produced for 2022 will meet emission requirements in areas Rocky has not participated in before.
And the addition of newly hired talent in both the sales and marketing teams should help drive future market share wins.
Turning to our retail segment following a 33% increase in total E. Commerce sales in Q4 of 2020. This channel was down 38%, reflecting the combination of a tough comparison in our delay in processing a portion of the online orders on time.
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As comparisons further ease and we returned to a normalized shipping state we expect to see e-commerce sales to resume growth fueled by the work we've done to enhancing the functionality of our site and expanding our direct to consumer efforts our marketplaces.
Meanwhile, the spiking Covid cases later in the year slowed Lee highest recent recovery from the height of the pandemic, while third party product delays and internal distribution challenges related to the acquisition also pressured sales.
Absent these temporary headwinds the business continues to display many positive signs led by higher account retention and new account growth, including ADM, James Hardie and Republic services that all launched in Q4.
At the same time, our cruise line business nearly dormant for two years now continues to improve steadily while our new email and SMS strategy is helping drive account participation rates and revenue per account higher.
Shifting now to our Boston group demand.
Demand for market extra toughest high and continues to grow well.
While the situation improved logistics and distribution challenges continue fourth quarter, resulting in a sales increase of 3%. The team work closely with the DC and operations team to maximize productivity and leverage alternative shipping opportunities such as selling full containers.
Shipping full case packs.
Although shipments were stronger in Q4, a good portion of deliveries to our strategic accounts arrive to their stores after the key selling season.
The good news is the product is performing extremely well once arriving at retail.
Further underscoring the growing popularity of Mark and extra tough both brands experienced record organic website traffic and engagement across our digital communities in the fourth quarter.
Specific to Mark core styles remain in high demand and are selling through extremely well even in areas, where the climate was mild this season.
First quarter started off with a large backlog and pent up demand, but we are working to return to normal retail inventory positions and the planned to see sales increase with most of our retail partners in the new year.
The extra tough brand continues to gain momentum and robust fourth quarter demand is further proof that extra tough has become a year round brand versus a one season spring business the.
The brand is positioned for a strong 22 with a record backlog and tremendous new product launches.
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Before I turn the call over to Tom to review the financials I'd like to leave you with some thoughts on 2022.
Demand for our Durango, Georgia, Rocky Mark and extra top brands have been solid early in the new year.
With our enviable inventory position and increased fulfillment capacity combined with our ongoing industry wide sourcing and shipping delays we are in a good position to regain some of the momentum at retail we lost during the second half of 2021, when we struggled to get enough product to market.
In terms of our own retail division Lehigh is off to a good start and we feel good about the business prospects for growth in 2022. The same is true for our branded E. Commerce websites is especially our Dcs are now back in rhythm and we are.
To fulfill consumer demand in a timely manner.
While our own manufacturing facilities in Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic helped insulate us from what the global supply chain issues, we are not immune as we still source more than half of our inventory from Asia. Therefore, we expect pressure on margins to persist in the first half of the year until most REIT.
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In terms of the integration all the heavy lifting is now behind US following the ERP system migration in the fourth quarter and.
In the coming year, our focus is identifying synergies and cost savings and driving operational excellence throughout our new combined company.
Though we were tested by supply chain and distribution issues. This year new market opportunities in the successful expansion of current programs combined with our transformational acquisition allow rocky to reach new Heights in 'twenty one.
As the market continues to look for answers to the strong demand and limited supply in 2022, we are well positioned to take full advantage of our brands and manufacturing strengths to further grow market share across channels.
I'm incredibly proud of our results, but more importantly, the resiliency and dedication of the entire rocky team throughout a challenging year.
I am incredibly grateful to the work with such a great team and I really look forward to what we accomplished in 2022.
I'll now turn the call over to Tom to cover the financials.
Tom.
Thanks, Jason net sales for the fourth quarter of 2021 increased $81 8 million or <unk> 93, 4% to $169 5 million compared to the year ago period too.
2020 one's fourth quarter includes $79 3 million in net sales from the Boston Group, which was acquired in March of 2021.
By segment as reported.
Wholesale sales increased 124, 9% to $134 8 million.
Retail sales increased 12, 6% to $26 5 million and military sales increased 95, 5% to $8 1 million.
Of the $79 $3 million in Boston Group sales approximately $72 8 million within our wholesale segment and $6 5 million was in retail.
Gross profit in the fourth quarter increased 75, 2% to $63 3 million or.
Or 37, 3% of sales compared to $36 1 million or <unk> 41, 41, 2% of sales in the same period last year.
390 basis point decrease in gross margin was primarily attributable to lower wholesale segment gross margins due to increases in inbound container.
And a lower mix of higher margin retail sales retail segment sales.
Compared to a year ago period.
Wholesale gross margins for the quarter were 34, 9% compared to 39, 1% in the prior year.
Retail gross margins were 53, 8% up from 48, 7% driven by higher sales of our one of our own our own versus third party brands and contract manufacturing gross margins were 24, 8% versus 30% in the fourth quarter of 2020.
Selling general and administrative expenses were $45 1 million or 26, 6% of net sales in the fourth quarter of 2021 compared to $23 2 million or 26, 5% of net sales last year.
Excluding $1 $6 million in acquisition related amortization and integration expenses for the fourth quarter of 2021 operating expenses were $43 5 million or 25, 7% of net sales.
The increase in operating expenses was driven primarily by the expenses associated with the acquired brands.
Income from operations increased 41, 1% to $18 2 million.
Or 10, 7% of net sales compared.
Compared to $12 9 million or 14, 7% of net sales in a year ago period.
On an adjusted basis operating margins were 11, 7% versus 15, 5%.
For the fourth quarter of this year interest expense was $3 2 million compared.
Compared with just 95000, a year ago. The increase reflects interest payments on the senior term loan and the credit facility, we used to fund the Honeywell footwear acquisition.
On a GAAP basis net income for the quarter increased 29, 1% to $12 5 million or $1 69 per diluted share compared to net income of $9 7 million or $1 33 per diluted share and a year ago period.
Adjusted net income for the fourth quarter of this year, which excludes the acquisition related expenses was $13 $8 million or $1 86 per diluted share.
2021 was a transformational year for Rocky brands. Despite the short term fulfillment issues stemming from the acquisition integration demand was very strong and we navigated industry wide inventory challenges definitely for the full year net sales increased 85, 4% to a record $514 two.
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Reflecting strong double digit growth in the Ohio group sales and the $179 million contribution to our top line from the acquired Boston Group.
By segment wholesale sales increased 110, 8% reach.
Retail sales were up 29, 9% and contract manufacturing increased 51%.
In terms of profitability.
Operating income increased 32, 4% to $36 million adjusted net income increased 49% to $32 5 million and adjusted EPS improved 39, 8% to $4 39.
Turning to our balance sheet at the end of 2021 cash and cash equivalents stood at $5 $9 million and our total debt and our debt totaled $270 million consisting of our $127 $6 million senior secured term loan facility and borrowings under our senior secured asset backed credit for.
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Inventory at the year end was $232 5 million.
Compared to $77 6 million a year ago to $154 $9 million increase includes approximately $101 million associated with the acquired brands. We feel very good about the quality of our inventory and given the functional nature of our product, we see little little risk for above average markdowns.
We expect inventory levels to decrease and be a source of cash is.
Inventory normalizes by the end of the third quarter of this year with respect to 2022, we are planning another year of solid growth with sales projected to increase between 16 and 19% over 2021 levels.
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Owning the acquired brands for an additional 75 days in the first quarter of this year growth will be strongest in the first quarter and then moderate in the second quarter as we were up against our first full quarter of the combined businesses.
As we move into the back half of 2022 year over year growth should reaccelerate from Q2 levels as we recapture the lost sales from delayed fulfillment in 2021.
In terms of gross margins wholesale margins in the first half will be similar to that of the fourth quarter of 2021, and then improve starting in the third quarter as our price increases go into effect and start flowing through the income statement.
Just on the outlook for the wholesale margins and our projected sales mix by segment, we expect will move towards overall gross margins of approximately 39% and 40% by.
By the fourth quarter of this year.
As Jason said earlier now that the integration of the two organizations is complete we are shifting our attention to identify synergies and cost saving opportunities.
This will work to take place over the course of the year and our goal is to drive.
75 basis points of expense leverage over 2021.
Adjusted levels.
Finally, our tax rate for the year is projected to be approximately 21%.
With that concludes our prepared remarks, operator, we are now ready for questions.
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Our first question comes from Jonathan Komp of Baird. Please go ahead.
Yes, hi, thank you.
I wanted to ask just first a broader question on your read of the demand trends youre seeing across across the various <unk>.
Industries that your service and just broader thoughts on the health of the consumer, especially if you're in an inflationary and volatile macro environment.
Hey, John Yeah, Great Great question.
At this point in time, we have not seen any particular slowdown right. I think we are really watching and looking about this inflation thing going on but our customer base. The consumer base is still shopping is still going in.
The shelves are not really completely full yet either at the retail level and so I think that there is some some things happening around that.
I think they won't probably pretty good for 2022 and that we will be more cautious as we go into 2023.
Okay, Great and then Tom if I could follow up on the revenue outlook you provided could you just.
I'm, a little bit more detail how much.
How much underlying growth, you're assuming and I know you get the benefit in the first quarter since it did not own the Boston brands the whole quarter last year. So just.
What are you assuming for the underlying growth maybe both for the.
Boston business versus the other brands or however, it might make sense to give it.
Yes, so I think as we look out into 2022, I think you'll start hearing the messaging changed a little bit and that will be one rocky brands and so we'll probably.
Stray away from giving Boston group, our Ohio groups specific guidance, but that 16% to 19% obviously the biggest driver there is going to be from the wholesale category.
Particularly in the first quarter and then also the other big quarters as we tried to call out is going to be in the third quarter. I mean, we spend a lot of time talking at the last earnings call about the Miss that we had because of the fulfillment issues and so we hope to to recover a lot of those sales.
Which we've kind of illustrated with somewhere in that $40 million to $50 million range in Q3 of last year. So.
The retail sales.
We will also benefit as well as we move.
We are focusing our distribution as it's getting stood back up the way it should be.
On shipping our own.
Owned and operated websites and so we think that there'll be a lot more inventory than we have available to ship, particularly for the Boston group.
In 2022.
And we will be able to focus on getting that product out the door in a timely fashion.
From a contract manufacturing standpoint, we have we are anticipating that some of the contracts will expire.
There are some opportunities potentially bid on those but the reality of it is as we are focused on growing our wholesale and retail businesses and with the success selling Jason noted on some of our made in the USA marketed product.
We're going to drive production to produce their product, which which is a series.
Carries a higher margin than our contract military business.
So I would anticipate the contract manufacturing segment too.
I don't have.
Maybe in 2022.
And just to clarify should we be thinking growth in total revenue in Q2.
And then the fourth quarter.
Just want to make sure I'm understanding your commentary.
Yes, so if we look at the second quarter. The gross growth is going be more modest rate. If you think back to this year that was right. After we.
We closed on the acquisition, we did not have the distribution hiccups that we had in the third quarter because in the second quarter Honeywell was still shipping the product in our own distribution center was so operating as efficiently as it had in years past some modest growth in the second quarter.
And in the fourth quarter or probably even a little bit more modest growth I don't anticipate that will carryover.
And as much back orders.
In Q4 of 2022 as we did in Q4 of 2021 given.
We hope to get our product out the door in the third quarter of this year.
Yeah, Great and then last one for me sorry, I missed part of this but the expense leverage you are talking about it was that.
Comment on the SG&A ratio or were you talking about overall operating margin leverage and.
That's it from me Ben.
Yes that was yes.
So thats on our operating expenses on an adjusted basis. So as we as we go into this year.
We're going to be very focused on doing things efficiently and leaning out the organization, where we can.
Which in 2021, we took the approach to get the boots on the shelves at really any and all cost to defend our shelf space.
And we think that we'll be able to find some leverage.
2022, as we're able to fulfill the orders more efficiently.
Okay understood. Thanks, again for all the detail.
Thanks, Sean.
Our next question comes from Susan Anderson of B Riley. Please go ahead.
Hi, good evening, Thanks for taking my question.
Just really quick on the gross margin I guess, it sounds like you're guiding a little bit above 2021.
And 2020 can you just remind us.
The impact of the Honeywell brands I guess once the distributions in place will have on the gross margin and then also the puts and takes you're expecting there from like a freight extra freight perspective.
Verses also cycling the issues you had with distribution last year.
Hi, Susan I'll take this one.
So.
Just to unpack that a little bit so historically, the Boston group margins, particularly for the <unk> brand have been have been stronger than our historical Ohio group margins that has.
That is still the case, however, they've been more greatly impacted by the inbound freight container costs as more of their product comes out of Asia than our average for the Ohio Group.
So we've done price increases or for both the Ohio grew band the Boston Group.
And so we were guiding margins up slightly.
By the end of the fourth quarter.
And really that's more of a relation of of our price increases going into effect. So if we recall, we announced a price increase kind of in the beginning of Q3 of which we started shipping some of the items in the new price in the fourth quarter, but we were still shipping a lot of back order product in the fourth quarter of this year.
2021.
And then we've announced another price increase that went into effect January one and so.
That lag in the timing for when those price increases are actually realize will be some pressure as we called out.
On the gross margins in the first quarter or the first half of the year I apologize.
And they will slowly improve into the fourth quarter and get back to kind of where we think historically those margins should be on a combined basis.
Got it Okay, and then just on the Macy stores that I guess fully up and running now or is that still should we expect that this will be ramping as we go throughout the year.
Yes, so I'll take this puts us in the D. C. In Reno has been up and running.
We have had to do.
We've had some delays in getting equipment and getting racking and equipment and so.
It is going to be ramping up here in the month of March and we believe that it will be fully functional by the end of Q1 and that will be able to see more benefits from that from it for the rest of the year, but we havent shipping shoes out of there, it's just been pretty sporadic.
Arctic and more case packs, then sort to case.
Got it okay. That's helpful. So I guess you would expect also as they kind of go throughout the year increase.
One is on positive.
Positive margin on taxes that ramp.
Okay.
Yes, I mean, I think the goal really is to from an operational excellence standpoint is to fine tune once we get that up and running to really evaluate the operations. Both here in Logan and Reno and fine tune that throughout the rest of this year and really into 2000.
'twenty three to find those efficiencies and make it.
More cost savings, where we can.
Yeah.
And then just on the Bakken.
Bran lacking extra caf from I guess.
No no not too I guess, how much opportunity is there.
Last year it was.
Obviously hindered by the distribution machine.
Now you're kind of talking about getting some of that back, but if I remember right I think when you bought it from Honeywell.
<unk> also had some pretty bad inefficiencies in terms of sharing inventory between E com and wholesale and so forth and really not capturing all of the possible.
Yes, as we look forward how much more opportunity do you think they are able to grow that brand.
Yes, another great question.
Chuckle, because the one area that we knew they were struggling with we thought we would be able to.
Resolved quickly and we stumbled a little bit so we still think there is.
Good opportunity there I think between.
The two Dcs in what we were able to do.
We should be able to see some upside there as I indicated the traction and communication that we get on our websites for both those brands.
Particularly the extra tough brand right now.
I think there is some pretty good upside as we continue to refine this and get back to where we used to be and the capabilities that we used to have yes, just to add on their shoes and you know I think.
Once Reno is up and fully automated and as Jason said as weeks, if not days away from happening.
Are we able to flip a switch and essentially make all of the inventory thats in Reno available on any of our websites, but also very importantly available for drop shipment with a lot of our key retail partners and so that's a very meaningful part of our business.
And really over the last few months.
Or our inability to ship single payers out of Reno, and we've been a little handcuffed. There. So we're very excited to see the capabilities of Reno and our ability to fulfill that on their own E. Commerce that are our drop shipments as well.
And weeks to come.
Okay.
Okay, great that sounds good good luck this year.
Okay.
Great. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Camilo Lyon of BTG. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon.
I had a couple of questions.
I guess first on the shelf space gains.
It's great to see that Youre, taking some shelf space and taking advantage of your manufacturing.
Locations in and leveraging that maybe if you could talk about.
The visibility that you have into the durability of those shelf gain the shelf space gains.
Curious to know.
How are those conversations unfolding with your retail partners.
With having that be a more permanent presence that you have now gained.
Yeah.
A really great question that we.
Our digging into every everyday here really as we started into January and I will tell you that it is hit or Miss so our more sophisticated retail partners are able to very clearly show us and talk to us.
What shelf space, we have today and what shelf space, they're willing to give us in the future.
And we are not seeing a lot of reduction there. So we feel good that we will continue to see that shelf space, particularly if you look at the categories that we are in western boots work boots hunting boots.
Those marketplaces were really strong.
The smaller independent mom and Pops, it's harder to get a feel for it but our bookings are staying pretty strong. So we believe that we are holding onto that shelf space.
We have seen some shelf space start to slip is in some areas that is not our expertise right and so if you think about a rocky outdoor hiking boot, we do a good business there, but when you look at the brands in the marketplaces.
Like the minerals and the keys of the world.
Our brand as much.
Lower and not as recognized so that is the area that we are starting to see that retailer would be like look I bought 200 pair. These from your last year.
Got back into my whatever brand I'll give you a 600 per so we are seeing a little bit of a reduction there, but but in our core big business brands, we're not seeing much reduction.
Yes, real quick to add on there.
Sorry, Jason touched on a little bit so we're seeing strong bookings for 2022 and so in my mind.
I do not think we've seen the bookings if we were if we were going to be losing shelf space.
<unk> Q3, and Q4 of next year, but I think it also signals may be a little bit of shift in the retailers' behavior right and that there are they.
They are taking a more aggressive approach to inventory they want to they want to get their orders in early to make sure that happens.
For the third and fourth quarter of this year. So we feel good about our bookings.
The other thing to call out too that we've had a lot of conversations with our retail partners, particularly in the Boston Group side. Okay look you need to prove it. This year unit prove you can get us to boots on time and have the inventory. We clearly have the inventory to do that and then after Reno was up and running here at full capacity.
In March we will have the ability to fulfill those orders. So we're feeling pretty good as we roll into Q2, three or four of 2022.
That's great that's great to hear.
I guess sticking on the topic of the Boston Group.
I'm sure you've had these discussions, but I would love to get an update on how youre thinking about the potential or the opportunity to shift that production from Asia to Puerto Rico is it similar to kind of look like.
Man.
Really great question.
I would tell you that it is definitely on our radar, but it is not going to be probably in the top five priorities for 2022.
We we will slow play that I cannot stress enough to you and anybody in the marketplace. If if a booth pits and performs and you move it and it doesn't fit and doesn't perform the same way it is the fast.
This way to lose that product and so we will be very careful about this but we do know and do see and do feel that there is opportunity for both the mark and extra tough and maybe the service product.
In the Dominican so it is on our radar, but we will we will take our time to make that happen yeah, I think to add on a little bit there too.
Everybody in the industry can see the duty chain.
Reduction in duties by moving member routes to two whether it's somewhere else in North America, or Central America, and South America.
Those don't happen overnight those changes need to be slow methodical adjacent pointed out.
And so.
We will work with our partners to expand their presence whether it be in the Dominican or Central America really.
The other important call out here is that from the Ohio group standpoint, really our leather product standpoint.
We recognize this and so the math has changed.
On the cost of getting a leather group from Asia versus the Dominican reporter Rico with these new inbound container prices.
So we anticipate and we forecasted that our production in both the Dominican in Puerto Rico that some will be up pretty strongly.
In 2022 from 2021.
We are shifting in what we can but we're trying to do it methodically.
And not jeopardize any quality of fit issues with the product.
Great color last one for me is on the.
Comment.
The 75 basis points of SG&A leverage anticipated for this year.
Is that would you consider that the first step.
Energy recognition.
And if it is.
Do you anticipate further synergies thereafter to be greater or less than that 75 basis points of view recognized and identify more of them.
Yes, so as we think about the 75 basis points in 2022, there's a couple of things driving that one is we're still we're still not doing things as efficiently as we should be particularly in our distribution whether it be in Ohio or logo. So there's there's improvements to make in Ohio, but with a <unk>.
Brand New distribution center in Reno, just like anything else you do for the first time, you're not going to be as efficient, but we're also having to supplement our staff and employees with more expensive temp labor they are not as efficient naturally.
So as we continue to hire folks our new associates.
In Reno.
We will benefit from that.
Then looking internally to I mean, we will continue to find efficiencies and kind of one of our operating leverage but but also we had talked about before our ability to to do factory direct shipments for the Boston group, which is a capability they didn't have before.
Before the acquisition and so we think that the Boston group again.
Given their business with key accounts and they're smaller they're lower SKU counts.
Shorter lead times for that matter will ex factory times.
They are better suited for factory direct shipments and so we will focus on that which can be a big operating wind four four.
For Rocky brands as we don't have to run that product through either of our distribution centers and it goes straight to the retail partner so that'll be another another thing that we work on throughout the.
The rest of 2022, and we've already started 2020 to offer factory direct with a great start. So we're optimistic from that standpoint, but further to your point I think as we go into 2023, and we won't give any guidance but.
I think that.
You can probably look back in Rockies history over.
Over the last five years and see our ability to leverage top line sales growth and so that will be our goal is to really leverage the growth that we're experiencing with the with our five core brands and Lehigh.
Our leaner operating structure, so it's going to take some time to do so, particularly in the first half of 2022.
Great. Thank you for all the color all the best.
Yes. Thank you.
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Our next question comes from Rob Shapiro of singular research. Please go ahead.
Hi.
I did see as a long term debt actually went up this quarter is that related to the fulfillment issues are still impacting the.
If you need some additional debt.
This quarter, yes, yes, absolutely.
Yes.
So, yes, our fulfillment center fulfillment center issues slowed down our ability to get goods out the door.
And we had inventory coming into to meet the demand that we saw and so that that increase in inventory really drove up the cost or I'm sorry, the the total leverage of the business.
And we tried to call out in the prepared remarks.
Our plan is to right size the inventory over the next few quarters.
And so we'll use that as a source of cash to pay down leverage but also.
The EBITDA results of the business will help will give us free cash flows to pay down the debt in 2022 as well.
Great.
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I did hear I might've missed this but I Didnt hear you mentioned talking about the segment fourth quarter that you expect modest growth.
Did you mentioned did you talk about the first quarter and I missed it.
Wanted to see if you could reiterate.
You mentioned on the first quarter.
Yes, so on the first quarter.
On the first quarter. If you think about 2021, we only own the Boston group for 15 days. So the 75 days additional having the Boston group will certainly.
I'll give you a significant increase on the results of last year.
And then in the third quarter, we talked about our fulfillment center issues that was kind of the peak of our issues from a distribution standpoint.
And so we left a lot of sales on the table going into the fourth quarter and so we hope to recoup those sales.
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Okay, great. Thank you.
Thanks, Rob.
This concludes the question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Jason Brooks for any closing remarks.
Great. Thank you.
Just like to reiterate one more time my in Tom's real appreciation of the Rocky brands employees.
Please really stepped up in 2021 during a crazy year with with all the things happening and the integration of our company.
And I really feel like the employees did an exceptional job and worked hard to get us where we are and.
That's where we came from and Thats, where we will continue to move forward with in 2022, and 'twenty three and 'twenty four and so I just wanted to say one more time to the employees.
All over the world. Thank you for your efforts and look forward to a great 2022.
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This concludes today's conference call you may disconnect. Your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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