Q2 2022 Sunstone Hotel Investors Inc Earnings Call
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by welcome to the Sunstone Hotel investors second quarter 2022 earnings call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time.
I would like to remind everyone that this conference is being recorded today August 3rd 2022 at 12 o'clock P. M. Eastern time, I will now turn the presentation over to Mr. Aaron Reyes Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, Sir Thank you operator, and good morning, everyone.
Before we begin I would like to remind everyone that this call contains forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including those described in our prospectuses.
10, Qs 10, Ks and other filings with the SEC, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected.
We caution you to consider these factors in evaluating our forward looking statements.
We also note that this call may contain non-GAAP financial information, including adjusted EBITDA or adjusted.
Adjusted SFO and property level adjusted EBITDA R E.
We are providing that information as a supplement to information prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles.
On todays call references to our comparable portfolio will mean, our 13 hotel portfolio, which includes the coughing up Miami Beach, but excludes montage galesburg and four seasons resort Napa Valley.
Additional details on our second quarter performance have been provided in our earnings release and supplemental which are available on our website.
With us on the call today are Bryan Giglia, Chief Executive Officer, Robert Springer, President and Chief Investment Officer, and Chris <unk>, Chief operating officer.
Brian will start us off with some commentary on our second quarter operations and recent trends.
Afterwards, Robert will discuss the transaction activity, we completed in the second quarter and last I'll provide a summary of our current liquidity position recent refinancing activity and a recap of our second quarter earnings results.
After our remarks, the team will be available to answer your question.
With that I'd like to turn the call over to Brian . Please go ahead.
Thank you Erin and good morning, everyone.
Overall, we are pleased with our performance in the second quarter as the growth that began in mid February continued into the spring and early summer months.
With accelerated corporate and group demand and continuing strong leisure travel our portfolio generated its highest monthly occupancy since the onset of the pandemic.
On the pricing side, our operators have remained disciplined in their revenue management approach and have maintained strong rates with nearly every hotel at or above 2019 levels in the second quarter.
Our comparable portfolio achieved a second quarter average daily rate of $295, a 14% increase as compared with 2019.
This is the highest quarterly ADR ever achieved for these hotels driven in part by meaningful growth at our resort assets and by growing demand at our urban and group oriented hotels.
Our two wine country assets generated a combined second quarter ADR of nearly <unk> hundred $50.
We continue to be pleased with how these market leading hotels are ramping up and the recognition. They have received from numerous travel sites and publications.
Including these two hotels are total portfolio generated a second quarter revpar of $237 made up of a $320 ADR at 74% occupancy.
Non room revenue continued to be a bright spot during the second quarter. We once again saw significant sequential growth in food and beverage revenue, which increased 74% from the first quarter for our comparable portfolio and is within 3% of 2019 law.
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While our second quarter I would spend continued to grow.
Primary driver at the higher out of room spend in the quarter was increased banquet contribution from the group activity at our hotels.
Banquet and Avs sales per group room was $212 for the comparable portfolio in Q2 and surpassed the prior high watermark for this metric from Q4 2019.
We also saw a meaningful increase in destination and to show the fee revenue as these programs have now been rolled out to most hotels.
Including the out of room spend our total portfolio generated an additional $134 of revenue per available room in the quarter for total revpar of approximately $372.
Turning to costs, while the property teams have been successful in reducing certain operating expenses and achieving permanent cost savings our operators have not been immune from the labor and other cost pressures that have been impacting our industry.
We are seeing some moderation in wage growth and we continue to support our managers and their efforts to benchmark best practices and drive efficiencies where possible.
In addition to labor other items such as food costs have also been rising and we are in close coordination with our operators to ensure they are adjusting menu offerings and prices accordingly.
Despite these cost pressures are comparable hotels generated a combined EBITDA margin of 35% during the quarter.
Which is in a similar range to that achieved for the same quarter in 2019.
If we exclude the two hotels in our portfolio with significant renovation activity in the quarter.
Our pro forma comparable hotel EBITDA margin was a very strong 36, 8%.
While we are very pleased with our operator's ability to deliver this level of profitability. Our focus is increasingly shifting to maximize portfolio EBITDA as the hotels return to normalized occupancy levels.
Now shifting to segmentation, our comparable portfolio generated 214000 total group room nights in the quarter and the group segment comprised roughly 42% of our total demand.
This group room night volume represents a 66% increase from the prior quarter with average rates that were 7% higher than the same quarter in 2019.
Group production for all current and future periods. In Q2 was 197000 room nights, which is consistent with the volume we put on the books in Q2 2021.
But at a 40% higher rates.
In terms of transient business, which accounted for roughly 51% of our total room nights in the quarter.
Comparable rate came in at $338 and was 24% higher than the pre pandemic levels that we saw in the same quarter of 2019.
Based on our second quarter performance and what we're seeing in July we remain encouraged about the outlook for the remainder of 2022.
Our recent trends reflect increasing lead volumes and strength in short term booking activity with a higher contribution from corporate group events.
Our group pickup in Q2 for the third and fourth quarters with nearly 170% of what was booked for the same time periods in 2019.
Group room nights for the third and fourth quarter 2022 are pacing at approximately 82% of pre pandemic levels at an average rate that is 5% higher than 2019.
This would imply that our overall group revenue pace for this time period is down only 15% from the same time in 2019.
We have seen strong group booking activity in Boston, and San Diego, where active citywide calendars should allow us to take advantage of compression in those markets.
The group outlook at our Hilton Bayfront has improved as the year progressed and the second half of the year is down only 5% as compared to 2019 and the hotels full year EBITDA should finish higher than 2019.
Boston has also shown solid growth on the transient side with increased demand from both leisure and corporate travelers.
While San Francisco has been slower to recover we are encouraged by positive recent trends in the market as well.
Our second quarter occupancy at the Hyatt Regency, San Francisco more than doubled year over year with rates higher by nearly 40%.
Our newly renovated rooms are generating great guest feedback as they continue to come online.
The city remains a supply constrained desirable long term lodging market.
And we expect it will continue on its positive trajectory as it catches up to the other major gateway markets.
While the strength of the recovery has not been uniform across all markets and segments. We are increasingly seeing signs that travel patterns are normalizing.
While leisure has led all segments, we expect increasing amounts of corporate and group travel to become a larger portion of demand as we head into the fall and that traditional seasonal patterns will increasingly reemerge.
This is consistent with what we experienced in the second quarter with group and business transient strength in certain markets as well as a higher degree of seasonality in the quarter as our recent wine country acquisitions moved into their peak seasons.
Our wine country resorts continue to ramp up nicely.
And for the current year, we expect that they will generate approximately 80% of their combined full year earnings in Q2, and Q3 with the balance coming in Q4.
As travel demand normalizes.
We would anticipate the cadence of our quarterly profitability to also more closely resemble historical patterns with some adjustments needed for the current composition of our portfolio.
Later, Aaron will provide some additional information on the historical distribution of our quarterly EBITDA to help put this into context.
Based on what we see today, we expect that our comparable portfolio's percent growth in average daily rate for full year 2022, as compared to 2019 could be in the high single digits with full year occupancy about 15 to 16 points lower than 2019.
Which is weighed down by the <unk> impact earlier in the year.
Moving to our transaction activity following the sale of three non core hotels in the first quarter, we redeployed those proceeds plus additional capital in the second quarter into the purchase of the confidante Miami Beach and the remaining 25% interest in the Hilton San Diego Bayfront. We are excited about these two.
Transactions and believe they will provide a combination of near term cash flow from the Hilton San Diego Bayfront and long term growth potential from the conversion of the confidante into the <unk> Miami Beach.
We continue to employ a balanced approach to capital allocation and returning capital to our shareholders in.
In addition to deploying capital into hotel acquisitions, which we believe will create long term earnings growth. We also deployed an additional $34 million into the accretive repurchase of our own shares during the quarter, which brings our total year to date repurchase activity to nearly $80.
At an average price of $10 92 per share a meaningful discount to published estimates of NAV.
Additionally, our board of directors approved a five cent per share common dividend for the third quarter.
The reinstatement of our quarterly dividend is a product of our hotel earnings continuing to recover and the strength provided by a prudently levered balance sheet.
While future dividends are always subject to expectations of earnings and liquidity. We believe we are well positioned to resume the same quarterly base dividend, we had in place prior to the pandemic.
To sum things up as we move into the third quarter of 2022, we are encouraged by the recent trends we are seeing across our portfolio.
We expect that our well located urban and group oriented assets, we'll see continued growth in the coming quarters as demand for business travel and corporate events continues to catch up with the already robust leisure demand at our resort properties.
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We believe this is a winning formula that will provide long term value to our owners.
And with that I'll turn it over to Robert to give some additional thoughts on our recent hotel transactions.
Thanks, Brian we're very pleased to have closed on two hotel transactions during the quarter, which further enhance the quality and value of our portfolio.
Starting with our value add acquisition of the confidante Miami Beach. This off market transaction represents a compelling opportunity to acquire well located fee simple oceanfront real estate at an attractive purchase price and to utilize our in house expertise and prior experience to renovate and reposition.
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The 339 room hotel sits on one five acres and has a generous backyard.
There is significant potential to enhance the property and transform its earnings potential.
Post repositioning we expect the hotel to generate a very attractive 8% to 9% yield on our total investment and we will own a fully renovated oceanfront luxury resort at an all in basis of 900000 per key and a market where per key valuations for similar assets are well in excess.
Of $1 million.
This is a type of investment we know well and have had great success with in the past.
On the opposite coast. We also completed the acquisition of the remaining 25% interest in the Hilton San Diego Bayfront.
This is a great group hotel in a premier convention market and consolidating our ownership of this asset makes a lot of sense for us to <unk>.
Hotel continues to perform well and with the addition of a redesigned restaurant and marketplace combined with a new 6000 square foot waterfront meeting venue. We expect this hotel to continue to grow earnings as corporate meetings return.
Our other two major renovation projects remain on schedule.
The full rooms renovation at the 821 room Hyatt Regency, San Francisco is slated to finish up in the fourth quarter.
We have already begun selling new rooms, and they look great.
Work is also progressing on the conversion of the Renaissance, Washington D C to the Western brand.
The meeting space has been completed and we are now in the process on the rooms renovation in lobby upgrade which are on schedule to wrap up during the second quarter of next year.
While we will experience some displacement during the third and fourth quarters of 2022. These projects should provide meaningful growth next year, especially during the first quarter of 2023. When these large group hotels will be comping off of the omicron impact from earlier this year.
We are finalizing our next round of internal investments that will help to drive continued growth in the portfolio and we will have more to share with you in the coming quarters with that I'll turn it over to Aaron. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Robert as of the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $153 million of total cash and cash equivalents, including $46 million of restricted cash.
Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we completed an amendment to our bank credit agreement, which expands our term loan borrowing capacity extends our maturity and restored full capacity on our $500 million revolving credit facility we.
We are very pleased to have completed the amendment and we appreciate the support and partnership from our existing and new banking relationships.
We continue to have one of the strongest balance sheets in the sector and retain additional capacity that we can use to grow per share earnings and NAV in the coming quarters.
Shifting to our financial results the full details of which are provided in our earnings release and our supplemental.
The quarterly results, which surpassed our initial expectations.
Reflect continued strength in leisure travel and strong sequential growth in corporate and group demand.
Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $74 million and adjusted <unk> was <unk> 30 per diluted share.
As Brian mentioned earlier, we are seeing indications that travel patterns are normalizing, which should result in the return of a more traditional seasonality into our quarterly earnings cadence.
In 2018 in 2019, we generated approximately 30% of our full year corporate EBITDA in the second quarter.
Given the omicron impacted start to the year and the anticipated contribution from our recent acquisitions.
We currently expect that our second quarter will comprise approximately 33% to 37% of our full year EBITDA.
While there is generally less variation in the distribution of our quarterly earnings in the second half of the year as compared to the first.
Historically, our third quarter contributes more to our full year earnings in the fourth quarter.
In 2019, our current 13 hotel comparable portfolio, which.
Which includes the confidante Miami Beach, but excludes our two one country resorts.
Generated revpar of $212.
Made up of a $252 ADR at an occupancy of 84%.
As Brian mentioned earlier, given what we see for the remainder of the year, we expect that that percent increase in the full year comparable portfolio ADR in 2022 could be in the high single digits as compared to 2019.
While occupancy is likely to be 15% to 16 points lower than 2019, which is skewed by the omicron impact earlier in the year.
Given the impressive rates garnered by montage Hillsboro and four seasons Napa. These two assets are expected to add approximately $25 to the total portfolio was ADR for 2022.
As hotel demand continues to rebound, we expect to experience approximately $8 million of revenue displacement and $5 million of EBITDA displacement in the third and fourth quarters at our hotel in Washington, DC due to the in progress renovation work.
Now turning to dividend.
Our board has reinstated our base quarterly common dividend of <unk> <unk> per share for the third quarter.
This payout amount is consistent with the quarterly base dividend, we distributed prior to the pandemic.
Separately. The board has also declared their routine distributions for our series H and series <unk> preferred securities.
And with that we can now open the call to questions.
So that we were able to speak with as many participants as possible. We ask that you. Please limit yourself to one question.
Operator, Please go ahead.
At this time I would like to ask a question press star one on your telephone keypad again, we ask that you. Please limit your questions to one and reenter the queue for any additional questions that you may have our first question will come from the line of Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
So you reported some very strong I guess in the quarter and for the quarter group data and also for the year I guess I wanted to ask what Youre seeing for 2023, just so we make sure that we're not seeing any kind of pent up demand concentrate and this year as people get back on the road for for debentures in group.
Good morning, Anthony.
During the during the second quarter.
In the quarter for the quarter and in the year for the year group bookings were very strong.
In the quarter.
In Q2, we picked up 14000 group room nights compared to.
2019, when we only picked up 6000 the lead volumes.
<unk> are also much stronger in Q2 than what we were seeing.
In.
In 2021 and about the same level, what we were seeing in 2019, most of those bookings point to something that we've seen throughout this year is that bookings tend to be even for larger group business tend to be shorter term and so the majority of those bookings were either for Q2.
Or Q3 Q4.
We haven't because of that we haven't.
Talked a lot about 23 pace, yet I think that that's something that we'll focus more on as we get into next quarter because of the short term the shorter term window compared to what we would have traditionally seen.
We do see good production.
And based on what we.
Realized in Q2, our expectation is that that window will start to move into Q3 or into Q4 and into Q1 as we book this quarter.
On the right side, we do continue to see strength.
For the rest of the year as Aaron Aaron said.
On.
Would expect rates to continue to move up as we book groups into into 2023, but because of the window is shorter now either groups or.
And then it will condition too.
To be a little bit last minute, we talked about.
Last quarter.
Larger corporate events that were booking in the quarter for the quarter and Thats just sort of the environment.
That we've seen but based on what we've seen in Q2.
There is there is quite a bit of pent up strength and pent up demand strength and then when you look into next year your answer.
Recognize also that Q1 will be will be an interesting comp because of the omicron hit that we had in this year.
Your next question will come from the line of Duane <unk> with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Hey, thanks for the time.
Can you comment on potential asset sales from here how are you looking to shape the portfolio going forward.
As markets like San Francisco continue to recover.
How do you think about your assets there are longer term and beyond just geography.
What are the attributes of assets you may be looking to sell.
Okay. Thank you.
So capital recycling is always going to be part of our capital allocation strategy.
Since 2020, we.
So roughly $440 million.
Non long term.
Hotels and redeployed those proceeds into about $830 million of of higher quality higher growth, mainly resorts and then the JV piece of it.
San Diego.
Right now when you look at our portfolio, we have a very high quality a much more balanced portfolio than what we had previously.
Looking at our mix of of transient group and resort hotels, we're now on a run rate basis, roughly 44% group, 25% business transient 31% leisure much healthier mix than what we were going into the into the pandemic.
As we look forward.
Future asset sales or there is no need to.
Sell off the bottom to improve the quality of the portfolio. The portfolio is in a fantastic position all future sales will be opportunistic will be.
Opportunities, where we can harvest gains realized private market values and then redeploy those.
In a tax efficient way into new assets, where we see additional growth.
Now that we brought some balance back to the portfolio that growth can come from urban assets that growth can come from resort assets and because the future sales will be opportunistic they could come from from either of those assets to that the key is to look in and do what we've done in the past is fine fine.
Assets that are.
We can achieve.
A value that's higher than our internal hold value.
And either take advantage of market dynamics or.
Or other higher better use as we did in La Jolla take advantage of those and then go.
Who added at a market clearing price take those proceeds and redeploy them, where we think we can have more growth. So it could either be an asset that is more of end of life of our investment thesis or assets, where there is just a special situation, where we can we can deploy them.
That's what we're used to.
To grow the portfolio in the future.
To your specific question in San Francisco, San Francisco is we.
We believe it's still a fantastic long term market. It has it continues to be supply constrained.
D.
When you look at the velocity and where we're having transient bookings group bookings. It still has a long way to go to 2019, I don't think thats going to be a shock to anyone.
But we've seen <unk>.
Very good acceleration similar to what we saw in the car like a Boston market several quarters ago. The interesting thing about this recovery is that different markets rebounding at much different timing in a different pace. So our view on San Francisco over the over the coming quarters.
As in years as that.
It's been slower to recover but the acceleration is good and we expect it to provide.
Meaningful growth, both from a topline and bottomline.
For the rest of this year and into next year.
Your next question will come from the line of Chris Darling with Green Street. Please go ahead.
Okay.
Thanks, Good morning.
Brian I was hoping to get your views on how the transaction market has evolved over the past three or four months, obviously fundamentals are continuing to accelerate but we've also seen some choppiness in the debt markets and I think there is some more macro fears out there. So just curious to get your views on how valuations evolved.
Sure why don't I I'll start and then Robert can can add in on that also.
So the transaction market.
Exactly to your point there are two competing factors, where you have you have the operations and the cash flow increasing and you have.
Through either.
Interest rate increases or or that market availability, you have that offsetting factor.
Yes.
Hotel owners, especially private hotel owners, the <unk> market is that.
The primary funding mechanism.
For hotel transactions and over the years going back.
Over a decade, if you if you look at the <unk> market and as it's matured over time theres been points in time, where it for lack of a better term.
<unk> slows down significantly and then we'll come back I think we're in one of those points right now where there is a fair amount of uncertainty out there in that market is less efficient than it did tip.
Typically would be that is absolutely going to slow down the pace of transactions.
I still I think we will see transactions get done I think that that will we'll be at a much slower pace than what we saw at the beginning of this year.
And then as it typically has always done it will then start to come back again and transactions will continue to.
<unk> continued to flow at that point.
We're at a point now where.
There are several factors that are interest rates.
And other.
Economic concerns and other things that will.
Will impact pricing.
Cash flow of the hotels and the performance of the hotels can absolutely be an offsetting factor to that buy.
But until the market in the debt market really get its legs back.
I think it's going to be probably a little bit cloudy on what if any impact that will have in the.
In the current environment, Robert yet well said I don't think there's much to add I agree I do think we will see a slowdown.
In transactions I do think as Brian pointed out.
The challenges in the debt markets will will definitely slow down transactions, especially larger transactions.
As they're just harder to finance.
Obviously movements in the.
Equity markets will also have an impact.
As.
<unk> are making decisions on capital allocation. So we do expect that things will slow down here in the near term, but we still think the lodging recovery is very much intact.
And as Brian said, we.
We feel that it's more of a it's more a shorter term impact than.
More about longer term.
Statement on values or or impact from there.
Our next question will come from the line of Patrick <unk> with <unk> Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning, Pat Good morning.
Good morning.
Europe .
Opening back up again.
Have you seen any pressure on demand for some of the.
Our resorts, what I would call hot resorts that did exceptionally well over the last year or two enabling Florida, our western resorts and any pressure on demand from that higher end customer choosing to.
Look to go to Europe , instead of staying domestically.
Yes, Patrick when we look across the portfolio and granted that we have a handful of resorts.
That.
During the summer late summer into July .
In some places there has been some.
A little bit of pressure on occupancy, where we've seen that dip a little bit.
Key west market has been one where I think if you look at the star data the market's down on occupancy a little bit.
And.
But on the rate side, we continue to see strength from the rates when you look at.
The other side of the portfolio and you go to Maui.
That's a hotel that also has.
A good amount of group business in it it was able to sell with a lot more leisure, but when we look at.
We look at the Q2 Q3 Q4 for that hotel.
The demand is.
It's hard to see any impact their rates are still up group business is up.
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And so in that market, we continue to see see good strength and.
As we look out to the rest of the year and as summer comes to an end.
Over the next couple of weeks of school start seems earlier and earlier every year. When we look into Q2 Q3, and Q4 end of Q3 and into Q4.
We see really good demand.
Both.
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At Napa hotels, and remember those hotels are are building.
Are still ramping up and so.
We're still a ways away from stabilization at both of those hotels, but we are where we were hoping to be when we when we underwrote them.
Those hotels as they open and montage remember opened before the four seasons.
We're starting to see good group business gets layered on which then will allow us, especially during the high season. During the crush will allow us to compress rates of four seasons is a little behind because they open later than.
Then montage and building that group base, but theyre doing yet we expect that to continue as we get later into the year.
It takes a little bit longer to book that business then in transient as you would imagine.
Key West is looking strong for Q4, and like I said, Hawaii.
We're we're very optimistic for the rest of the year.
Our next question will come from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hi.
Thanks for taking my question.
Okay.
Hi, Joe.
Just given the commentary about what sounds like a slowdown in the availability of some of the challenging underwriting conditions for properties how.
How would you have a square that with.
The other update in terms of.
Spending your availability of capital or was that just available now and so you took it.
Or.
Is that something that could.
Lined up and the return.
Channel or how would we think about all that.
So with the with the credit facility.
One.
As Aaron said we.
In a time period, where.
Capital gets a little tighter we want to thank our bank partners for not only going through the process and extending our existing debt, but actually allowing us to expand and <unk>.
And the term loan debt.
We did have after the acquisition of confidant and.
The San Diego JV interest, we did have about $230 million or so drawn on our credit facility at that point, so by adding the chart to the term loans and taking them from $108 million and $350 million. It allowed us to then pay off the.
Or not pay off term out the line draw replenish our line.
Where now we have that additional capacity, where it might not be today because of where the market is but if we do find something today and there is dislocation. We now have a fully undrawn line, where we can go ahead and deploy without having to add on additional debt capacity.
For our recycle other assets to acquire Dave.
David.
Pointed this out in the past is we absolutely have more debt capacity.
Sometimes getting access to that and certain times, especially now where there is some market dislocation might be a little bit more difficult. That's why it's so important to have access to full access to align it allows us to be to be nimble when when others are constrained.
And so that's why we thought it was very important to not only find a more permanent or longer term.
Placement for that line draw, but more importantly to replenish the line to be able to go and deploy that into future opportunities.
Our next question will come from the line of Chris <unk> with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys.
Good morning, Chris Good morning, Chris.
Good morning a.
The question is kind of on margin potential I know theres a lot of different ways to look at it.
And I think you guys in Q2 had just a couple of hotels that because they are.
Further behind on recovery.
Drove down your your overall potential but.
Going forward.
We add a little bit more occupants feedback.
And rates I don't want to call it top but but.
If one were to call top on.
On rate growth.
Think you can still get margin expansion or are we in a situation where.
Placement is kind of catching up and now you're adding more off more variable expense at a time when.
Rates are potentially getting getting close to a peak.
Well if you look at margin in your point is absolutely correct.
There is still a.
San Francisco would be the largest weighing down on our margins on a quarter over quarter basis.
Based on what we've seen in Q2 and expectations for a continued acceleration in Q3 and Q4 and into next year.
San Francisco.
Large 800, plus room hotel will help that margin story.
As it as it normalizes back to where it should be.
Our view and what we said on margins all along is we expect to achieve.
100, 200 basis points of improvement compared to 19.
Even if as you said if rates sort of plateau or stall or where they are there.
That rate has obviously.
Obviously helped margins quite a bit cost cuts.
Throughout the portfolio have.
I think when we look at the different cost components, we we see labor.
In in the same range of where we thought it would be kind of four to five maybe a little closer to 5% this year.
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Other costs.
We've been able to.
Offset on the food and beverage side.
Either through.
Pricing menu other other ways of being able to make sure that we are we are.
Fighting those costs also.
And then I think in the long run it will it will also determine be determined by a couple of those larger fixed costs that sometimes you have less control over the real estate taxes, which real estate taxes have actually been.
Been pretty decent this year I think we're up four 5% in that area insurance has been something thats been a big increase over the last several years.
But the way we look at the way the hotels are running the cost savings we've put in place and some additional.
<unk> efficiencies on the food and beverage and other side once we normalize back to normal volumes.
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While there are as you said a lot of moving parts, we feel good that we still have a path to.
Better margins.
Once we normalize.
Our next question will come from the line of Bill Crow with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Couple of quick ones here, any any material cancellation or attrition fees collected in the second quarter.
Uh huh.
Yes did you have another one so we can probably say.
Yes sure.
San Francisco and the group outlook, specifically in the first quarter of next year.
Typically are really important.
Quarter for the year overall and I'm just wondering how thats.
So thats starting to shape up.
Okay. So the first one on cancellations cancellations. If you go back to the first quarter and you remember the omicron impact we saw cancellations I think of it like 6 million for the portfolio when it normally would have been 115 to around there.
In the quarter, we had about $1.8 million of cancellations compared to.
Call. It 1112 in second quarter of 2019, so there were a few our expectations for the rest of the year is that that's going to normalize back to the 1 million $2 million in house on a quarterly basis. So.
A couple of one offs, but nothing material.
On San Francisco.
All of.
Turn that over to Chris in a second but just to start.
Yes.
We've definitely seen and you can see in our supplemental that.
San Francisco has absolutely been a.
A market that is has lagged up to this point, we've seen fantastic growth.
As we get into.
As we got into the second quarter the year over year growth still far from 19, but it's been very strong we've seen good business transient pickup there also.
From financials and legal.
So the current trajectory in the story on on San Francisco is definitely improving I know next year.
<unk> into the first quarter the rates are up.
Chris you have sure.
Thanks, Brian and Bill <unk>.
San Francisco certainly in Q2 as Brian mentioned has it performed much better than what we had thought going in especially on the rate side when you consider.
Certainly the citywide production there has not been what we've seen in the past as we look at Q1 specifically.
Pretty pretty confident that.
We're going to have a much better Q1 in 23, then 22, obviously with the impact of <unk> as you remember J P. Morgan at the last kind of the health care.
Citywide fell apart there it was canceled.
We expect that.
Cancellations.
Activity in the other thing we have going for us as are we.
We had a room renovation going on most of 2022 and right now all we are selling right now are renovated rooms, very well received and we continue to see.
Better rate.
Traction than what we even expected.
Per second from the second quarter, but going into the third and fourth quarter. So we're fairly confident that we will perform well in Q1 relatively speaking.
Okay.
Our next question comes from the line of Smedes Rose with Citi. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks, I just wanted to ask you a little bit about the capital return program you put back in the 5% dividend does that reflect just sort of confidence in the business going forward or is that.
Something that reflects a taxable income that needs to be distributed and would you expect to need to do some sort of true up.
Year end and then maybe just help us think about how you're thinking about share repurchase here. Since you still continue to trade at a pretty steep discount to at least consensus that maybe.
Okay.
Good morning, Smedes, it's nice to hear you back on the calls.
As far as the dividend.
Dividend and the way, we've always looked to dividend as dividend as a function of of taxable income and taxable income comes from.
The performance of the assets.
Gains or losses on sale and any Nols that you have.
Where we are on the dividend right now is.
As we have seen the hotels ramp up and the group hotels come back.
Where we stand today.
On a trailing basis.
We are providing are producing enough taxable income.
To support that dividend.
And then so from that standpoint are.
Our.
Dividend policy that we had in the past would be to pay the base dividend for quarters, one through three in quarter four have a true up dividend.
Where we stand today, we believe that the <unk> dividend, even based on the trailing cash flow.
The trailing rents of the hotels.
Is sufficient to two <unk>.
Support that going forward as we see things improve as we see other opportunities to deploy capital and.
Any true up dividends in the future will be will be.
Based on.
Those needs and in other areas, where we can deploy capital.
When it comes to our <unk>.
Return of capital and the way, we think of returning capital to our shareholders. We wanted to make sure that we remain focused on.
On balance and so just like we do.
Tried to balance the portfolio by bringing in more resorts and lessening our dependence on urban and group.
Now being a much more healthy 44% grew 31% leisure 25% business transient.
We use some of our balance sheet to do that and bringing by doing that we started to bring our leverage back into balance.
So obviously have capacity.
And our balance sheet, but we use some of that and then when we look at return of capital.
We want to be balanced between share repurchase and dividends also.
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So we have multiple levers to return capital.
And hopefully as we use those.
We will.
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We can we can then.
Balance it between growing the company and making sure that our cash flow the way we've sequenced sit with.
Acquiring the confidante, which has good in place cash flow now, but then we will go under renovation layering in San Diego, which we acquired.
Just over.
The interest over 13 times multiple as things continued 22 on as things have improved we're probably or sub 13 now. So that's good current cash flow and then we'll look to.
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Balance share repurchase and dividends to return capital to our shareholders.
Our final question will come from the line of Michael Bellisario with Baird. Please go ahead.
Thanks.
Hey, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in.
Two questions first one is very quick I'll ask them. Both together one you guys have an updated.
Pro forma net leverage calculation you can share adjusted for the recent transactions and then bigger picture in terms of fundamentals I know you said, you're not seeing any signs of slowing but if you were to see some softness or where to see cracks emerge what markets or what segments customer segments that is do you think you'd see that pop up first thanks.
Yes.
Okay.
I'll take a crack at the leverage and then Aaron can correct me, where I'm wrong.
So leverage is a little tricky right now I think.
The best way to look at it is doing some normalization of confidant.
It will obviously have contributed less cash flow in the short term <unk> renovated, but let's just say whatever was in place today, we will use that and then some ramp up which you said that the two wine country assets still have continued ramp left in them.
I think we said in our stabilized here with Pete somewhere in kind of the 25 range.
So if you take all of that and you look at a net debt.
Yeah.
Plus preferred to EBITDA.
Our portfolio is probably somewhere between three and three five times leverage.
So.
A little of that is as pro forma ing in the confidante, but I think that Thats, a fair way to look at it because it represents the current earnings power of the portfolio and you have yeah, Mike just to add to that I think I don't know, Brian certainly the neighborhood as he thinks about the pro forma adjustments and if you actually just look at the face of the financial statements and then some of the information.
We've provided in our supplemental you will see.
See that on a net.
Net debt to EBITDA.
It's up for <unk>.
Current basis, but certainly as you adjust for some of the stabilization.
The new assets that you get to something with that three handle that benefits pretty very manageable on attractive leveraged level and then to your question.
Where where the cracks whats going to crack first.
If there are if there will be cracks.
Yes.
When we look at our portfolio.
It all starts to real estate and we try to.
Focus our capital on on places that have multiple demand drivers and.
<unk> for example of.
Well, maybe some of the families that we're going to walk away and now have Europe , as an option or somewhere else.
Okay. Some of those maybe we move back to some more normalized.
There, but then also.
<unk> just opened up recently, a couple of month or two ago to international travelers and while Hawaii doesn't have an Asian inbound traveler that Youre Maui doesn't that's more wahoo.
Eight or nine or eight or 9% of our historic.
Room nights come from Canada, and so we've seen those Canadian travelers come back quick so.
Other markets, we haven't seen a lot of international inbound so when U S. Travelers go elsewhere. There is also other travelers that can come in.
Yes.
When we.
When I look at the portfolio.
<unk> or just the lodging market in general that the areas of concern would probably be in <unk>.
I don't think that we have much exposure to this will be the secondary or tertiary resort markets.
That has been able to.
Really push rate and really drive rate.
Because of this confer.
Confined compression that we've had over the last year.
Year and a half.
So those markets will.
Probably feel it more or start to feel it first in.
Youre going to Florida, you wanted to go to Miami you want to go to key West you wanted to go to some of the other.
Primary markets those markets are fall than it it compresses out to the secondary and tertiary markets.
That's where I would guess that.
If we start seeing some of the cracks it should be it should be.
More there than others.
I will now turn the call back over to Brian Julia for any closing remarks.
Wanted to thank everyone for the interest in the company.
And we hope that everyone has a good.
Good summer break and get those kids back to school and look forward to seeing you all at conferences.
Soon thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's meeting. Thank you all for joining you may now disconnect.
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