Q2 2022 CBRE Group Inc Earnings Call
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Good morning, everyone and welcome to Cbre's second quarter 2022 earnings Conference call earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our financial results, which is posted on the Investor Relations page of our website CBRE Dot com along with a presentation slide deck that you can use to follow along with our prepared remarks as well as an excel file.
Will that contains additional supplemental materials before we kick off today's call I'll remind you that our presentation contains forward looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Examples of these statements include our expectations regarding cbre's future growth prospects, including our 2022 outlook core EPS growth and long.
Positioning operations market share capital deployment strategy and share repurchases financial performance, including leverage profitability and cost management.
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We have provided reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures included in our remarks to the most directly comparable GAAP measures together with explanations of these measures in the appendix of the presentation slide deck I'm joined on today's call by Bob's Olympic Our president and CEO and MLG on Martino, our chief financial and <unk>.
Investment Officer now please turn to slide five as I turn the call over to Bob.
You, Brad and good morning, everyone.
<unk> had an outstanding second quarter with strength across our global businesses.
All three business segments posted double digit revenue and segment operating profit growth.
Despite the significant currency headwinds that affected all U S based global companies.
Core EPS was the highest for any quarter in Cbre's history up 37% from last year's second quarter, and even slightly higher than last year's record fourth quarter.
These results reflect the benefits of the diversification strategy. We've described in detail on previous calls.
And an economic backdrop that was still generally supportive despite heightened macro concerns.
Lights for the quarter include a record level of new occupier outsourcing contracts.
Strong growth in project management, aided by Turner, and Townsend strong growth in leasing and record real estate development profits.
We ended the quarter with excellent new business pipelines across numerous lines of business.
Which ammo will review.
We also repurchased more than $600 million worth of our own shares the most ever in any quarter, bringing year to date share repurchases through July to nearly $1 1 billion.
Given the uncertain macroeconomic environment <unk> remarks, we will take a different approach this quarter. She will first discuss the long term positioning of our business before she covers the quarter's results and our outlook for the second half.
As we look ahead to full year performance, we are increasing our expectation of core EPS growth to the high teens from our earlier expectation of mid to high teens.
This reflects both our robust first half and several other compelling factors first a larger portion of our revenue and profit is generated from businesses that have performed particularly well through downturns.
Second our cost structure is inherently variable.
And as we demonstrated during COVID-19, we'd become increasingly adept at proactively cutting discretionary costs, while continuing to thoughtfully invest in growth.
Third our balance sheet lets us aggressively deploy capital during down cycles through M&A opt.
Opportunistic investments and our Rei businesses.
And continued share repurchases finally macro uncertainty creates right conditions from market share gains occupiers and investors rely even more heavily on the insight advice and global execution that CBRE is best positioned to deliver.
<unk> will now discuss all of this in greater detail Emma.
Thank you Bob.
Before I go through this quarter as a result, I wanted to touch on what we've seen in the market. Since we last spoke in May what it means for our business and why we remain confident in our outlook over.
Over the past three months and as I'm sure you're all following closely on the 10 year Treasury Rose as high as three 5% before settling down to two 8%.
The uncertainty over how central banks respond to inflation.
The uneasiness in the market more so on the public market, but also in the private commercial real estate market.
Against that backdrop, and what it means for CBRE.
To think about our business in two parts.
The first part include business lines that grow consistently throughout an economic cycle and have low sensitivity to market uncertainty.
This includes our outsourcing business gws as well as valuation property management loan servicing and significant components of our investment management and development businesses.
Our gws business can directly benefit from economic uncertainty as occupiers outsourced their real estate management to CBRE to reduce their cost.
These businesses have become significantly more important to <unk> overall financial performance.
The second part of CBRE as business is more transactional in nature capital markets leasing and parts of our development and investment management businesses.
These are sensitive to market uncertainty in the short term.
But short term is not the right time frame to measure the resiliency of this part of our business slide.
Slide six illustrates my point.
COVID-19 created enormous Martin market uncertainty during 2020 much more so than we're seeing today and as a result, the transactional parts of our business thought total net revenue declined by 26% for the 12 months to the first quarter of 2021 versus the prior 12 month period.
What's important and what I think is underappreciated is that the.
These transactions didn't disappear they pause.
When market uncertainty lifted these transactions came back resulting in a powerful recovery.
The net revenue growth of these businesses outpaced the S&P 500 over the period, starting pre COVID-19 through the recovery of the following year.
When our management team thinks about market uneasiness and what it means for CBRE, we focus on things we can control.
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Capital deployment.
One of the biggest drivers of theories financial resiliency that we believe is underappreciated is the overall flexibility of our cost structure, which slide seven summarizes.
Just over 40% of our cost structure, it's pass through to clients. These costs are tied one to one with revenue, which is why we exclude them when discussing net revenue.
Another 44% is attributable to cost of revenue. These costs are variable for example, during Covid and 2020, we saw net revenue in our advisory segment declined by 16, 5%, while our cost of revenue decreased 16, 7%.
The remaining cost as Opex of this about one third can be reduced at a rate faster than revenue decline.
These costs include travel business promotion and compensation tied to financial performance.
The remaining two thirds of Opex is more difficult to move in a very short term, but reductions are certainly possible over one to two year timeframe.
In summary, nearly 90% of CBRE total costs are either directly tied to revenue are highly flexible in nature.
CBRE has had a track record of moving aggressively with targeted cost reductions when market conditions soften.
<unk> invested in leadership processes and systems to enable these reduction and we now consider it a core competency.
We are already taking steps to limit new hires eliminate non client related travel and entertainment and reduce other discretionary expenditures.
And we are prepared to go further if we decided more reductions are needed.
While achieving these cost efficiencies, we will continue to make very targeted organic investments into areas, where we expect a high return.
We will also be investing our balance sheet.
On slide eight youll see that CBRE repurchased $1 billion of shares through the second quarter. Since the end of the second quarter, we have purchased another $77 million.
We believe this represents the highest and best use of capital for our shareholders in the current environment.
We would not be able to purchase the company near the quality of CBRE at the valuation we currently see for our shares.
As a result, while we continue to build an M&A pipeline share repurchases are likely to represent the most significant use of our capital for the balance of the year.
We will be able to make these investments while maintaining CBRE strong balance sheet, which ended Q2 with two times net leverage and $4 $2 billion of liquidity.
Before tying all this together with our qualitative outlook for the full year, but first discuss second quarter performance for our three business segments and what we're seeing in each segment business pipeline.
Slide 10 summarizes results in our advisory segment, which are driven by a 17% increase in property sales revenue and a 40% increase in leasing revenue.
<unk> is strongest in the Americas due to improved market fundamentals with sales and leasing increasing 26% and 56% respectively output.
Outside of the Americas sales revenue was flat and leasing rose by 5% as FX reduced growth by 10 percentage points for each.
Both U S leasing and sales grew in every month of the second quarter, though we did see some deceleration in June preliminary.
Preliminary results for July are show U S leasing and sales revenue together essentially flat with a strong level of activity seen in July 2021.
Our commercial mortgage origination revenue slipped 1% during the quarter. The government sponsored enterprises, which are an important part of this business continued to lose market share in the second quarter against strong competition from private lenders.
The GSE is act as a moderating force in the multifamily lending market and it's reasonable to expect that business to underperform property sales when the market is strong.
The flip side is that our debt business should outperform property sales if the market is soft for the balance of the year.
This is similar to the dynamic we saw in 2020.
Our advisory S op margin or net revenue declined by one five percentage points versus the record second quarter margin of last year.
Proximately one third of this decline can be attributed to lower <unk> $35 million. This quarter first $42 million in Q2 last year.
The remainder of the margin decline is mostly attributable to more brokers hitting higher commission payout thresholds driven by the strong revenue growth.
Our pipeline give us visibility into our transactional businesses over the next few months.
The sales pipeline is up slightly versus last year's record Q3, though transactions are taking longer to close and debt markets have become less accommodating due to market uncertainty.
Our updated guidance anticipates, a lower level of sales activity in the back half of the year compared against second half 2021 record levels.
Our leasing pipeline is essentially flat with a very strong pipeline. We had at this time last year, we continue to see healthy activity across property types with office being an outperformer.
Office is growing from pent up demand against a relatively low base of activity and higher than normal lease expirations and we're expecting more leases to expire over the next 18 months than in any 18 month period over the last five years.
Turning to slide 11 within our Gws business.
Total net revenue growth of 27% and S&P growth of 28% was aided by continued strong performance from Turner and Townsend.
Excluding the contribution from Turner and Townsend Gws net revenue increased by 8% or 12% in local currency and S&P rose by 5% or 10% in local currency Turner and Townsend performance reflects continued growth from their prior year results in line with our expectations.
Both facilities management and project management net revenue grew by double digits in local currency during the quarter growth was broad based by client type and supported by a mix of new wins and expansion.
Gws achieved a record high $1 billion of deal closing in the quarter.
As a result of these wins the pipeline fell sequentially, but is expected to end 2022 with a meaningfully larger pipeline than year end 2021.
<unk> competitive differentiation with the occupier outsourcing market has never been stronger.
Slide 12 summarizes results in our Rei segment, which performed very well in Q2.
Development was a big catalyst with S&P growth of $96 million versus last year's Q2, as we monetize several large assets and land parcels.
We benefited from Investor preference for the types of properties, we build high quality built to core typically well leased assets in markets with good supply demand fundamentals.
Investment management contributed $58 million of Sop.
Up $13 million over last year's Q2.
<unk> had another record up slightly versus Q1, despite over $4 billion of FX headwinds.
Looking forward for investment management with more than 90% of our AUM and core or core plus strategies, we expect healthy performance to continue despite market uncertainty.
Looking forward for our development business over three quarters of our in process activity is industrial multifamily our life Sciences product and we expect continued outperformance over time amid a flight to quality trend.
Cap rate expansion is a headwind market wide cap rates have moved out by about 50 to 75 basis points on average.
Against this backdrop development activity may be delayed during periods of uncertainty, but we will monetize our developments, which are highly sought after in their respective markets and are favorably financed giving CBRE and our capital partners the flexibility to time the market for sale.
Our in process portfolio totaling $19 3 billion.
Provides visibility into future development profits.
As we've noted before we expect 1% to 2% of our in process portfolio to convert to <unk> over a 12 month period.
A modest recession could cause you to fall to the low end of that range.
And a softer market creates opportunities to secure land sites that drive future profit.
Slide 13 summarizes our outlook with an advisory we expect investment sales and to a lesser degree leasing to decline in the back half of the year against the very strong 2021.
We continue to expect leasing and property sales growth for full year 2022 supported by the strong first half in.
In Gws, our record wins in Q2 should help to drive over 20% growth for the back half of the year supported by 10% organic growth in local currency and Turner and Townsend continued strong contributions.
And our AI, we've already realized around three quarters of the Sop, we expect for the full year, including over 80% of our expected development S&P.
So even in a more challenging macro environment.
Full year development profit will well exceed our initial expectations.
In summary, and as Bob noted earlier, we now expect CBRE to achieve total core EPS growth in the high teens for the full year.
Our core EPS guidance takes into account, both the impact of FX and a lower share count.
Absent the impact of FX, both realized year to date and expected our core EPS growth expectations would be 4% to 5% higher.
With that operator, we will open the line for questions.
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Our first question is from Anthony <unk> with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you and good morning.
My first question relates to how Youre thinking about the second half of the year and you discuss sales and what are you seeing.
Being down, but just wondering if you can give us some sense as to how you think about the effect of a potential recession on those revenues and.
What you'd think of as kind of base cases in your mind is just towards drawdowns could look like.
Absolutely. So I think what's important to note is when we're looking at the second half of the year. Our baseline does assume that we enter into a recession in Q4, and we have somewhat of a slowdown in Q3. So our baseline for the next year or is that will be in a mild recession.
Inflation will start to moderate towards the second half of the year and interest rates will peak early next year and will rebound in the second half of 2023. So that's our baseline of course theres upside from there if we're wrong about what's going to play out in with a mild recession and the recession is not as significant as we're expecting.
I know there's downside if the recession is more severe.
But our guidance as Bob and I, both mentioned is too high teens core EPS growth for the full year without the impact of FX. That's in the low 20% EPS growth for the full year, which I think is a really positive outcome for our business.
Across the three segments, what we're expecting is within advisory.
With the impact of sales and leasing at Sop should be down on a local currency basis in the.
Mid single digits.
Dws and a local currency basis for the second half of the year will grow 25%.
And have a really strong second half and then as we've talked about with Rei.
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Monetized over 75% of our profits in the first half of the year. So we feel very confidently about what's going to happen.
In the second half.
Got it thanks for that.
And then on the buyback.
You have free cash flow, but youre also below target leverage that you laid out so I mean, when you think about continuing to do the buyback is it about utilizing free cash flow or would you also be willing to move up closer to your target leverage.
So our capital deployment strategy as our strategy is unchanged, we continue to seek to reach our target of a turn of leverage and will go up to a turn of leverage when we see an opportunity to continue with our buybacks at an attractive price.
We are always prioritizing M&A.
Right now what we're seeing is that there is still a large bid ask spread in terms of valuations that were building our M&A pipeline as I mentioned in my remarks and over the next year, especially if.
Recession continues we expect to see opportunities in M&A arise.
And so we're balancing what we see in M&A with buybacks and what you can expect for the balance of this year is that we'll continue to aggressively deploy our capital towards buybacks as long as our price remains attractive.
And in a base case, I think a safe assumption is that we will do another <unk> 5 billion of buybacks in the second half of the year, but it could easily exceed that.
Okay, and then just if I can sneak one last one in here on Gws. When you noted the billion dollars of contracts that you signed up in the quarter should we think about that is just take a 10% ish margin.
This basically adds a $100 million of perpetual.
Professor P to gws or.
Is that how we should think about it.
So those contracts are primarily in our enterprise.
Business, where we don't disclose what the margin is on those contracts just for competitive reasons.
But I think it's safe to assume that those will those will comment in the latter half of the year. Those a lot of those contracts have not yet been on boarded since they just closed in this quarter. So there'll be a positive impact in the back half of the year, but I think you can use our guidance around op growth to help you with what the margins on that business will be.
Okay. Thank you.
Our next question is from <unk> <unk> with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. So I'd like to talk about advisory sales do we hold from public Reits across asset classes last week that asset values have come in you know anywhere from five to 15, 20% and yet we've seen investors basically just undertake more price discovery.
Continue to sit on the sidelines, so how much more do prices need to come down for transactions to big base again, and what else is needed you know.
To get that clarity around transactions.
Yes, John .
It's not so much pricing as it is.
More certainty around where the economy is going to head.
And also <unk>.
Debt rates, what's going on with inflation and that rates sorting out.
Yes.
I don't think most of the people going to the sidelines as is being driven by the fact that they think asset prices are too expensive to the bottom line is in the two asset classes that are most attractive and most b.
Most actively traded industrial.
Multifamily fundamentals are very strong rental rates are going up and the values are there as long as there is some clarity around where the economy is headed and where interest rates are headed.
Got it and switching gears to office lease also leasing for a second so you talked about basically record number of leases coming due in the next 12 to 18 months, but then how do we juxtapose that with the reality of a tougher economic outlook ahead in which corporates.
Might think about downsizing their office requirements and how do you think about that balance.
And what sort of.
What gives you confidence around office leasing as we move forward from here.
We baked into our thinking for the balance of this year and for next year and beyond the notion that.
Corporates or in general going to consolidate to a degree their use of office space.
There is some good news bad news for us and that if there's less office space lease to lease less office space ourselves.
On behalf of our clients, but we'll also do more project management work.
The fact of the matter is though almost all corporates.
Are going to take a significant amount of space and there is a large backlog of renewals that need to be dealt with and they are those renewals are going to get executed or theyre going to move into new buildings.
So it's it's a factor of that.
Volume of renewals coming even if the space. They take is somewhat smaller than it was before that gives us confidence to talk about the numbers the way we did.
Thank you for that I appreciate it.
Our next question is from Steve <unk> with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
Yeah. Thanks, good morning.
Just wanted to be very clear I am in.
I guess on leasing and sales.
Pretty clear that.
Sales activity is going to be negative on a year over year basis in the second half I'm just trying to figure out are you, saying that you think leasing will also be negative or I'm, just trying to read the wording or using combine those two are negative in leasing might be slightly positive, but sales is definitely negative yes, I can give you more color on that so.
On the sales front, we're expecting and this is all in local currency that we expect that in the second half to be down around 10% and most of that decline based on what we're seeing in our pipelines, we're expecting that to way the declines to weigh heavily in Q4, we have we have decent visibility into Q3, and so that should be flat to up and then on the leasing side.
Should we expect a decline but to a much lesser extent, so that should be in the low single digit decline range in the second half of the year on a on a local currency basis.
Which I think is a big deal and very positive and again with leasing the same cadence we're expecting in Q3 and Q4 based on our pipeline Q3 should be flattish in Q4 is where youll see the bulk of those declines.
Great.
That's helpful.
And then I just.
Wanted to circle back maybe on the development profits, obviously it sounds like you've got a lot of the full year in the in the bag so to speak given what you've done for six months.
But maybe just talk about kind of the movement in cap rates in kind of the spread from where you were building to kind of where you are selling and.
Just sort of the risks around that maybe into.
In the back half of the year and maybe if you think of the next year.
Steve the cap rates have moved.
As we noted 50 to 100 basis points, but they haven't moved any more rapidly than rents have moved rents have moved up significantly for both again I'm going to I'm going to tilt my comments toward industrial or multifamily rents have moved up.
Mid.
Teams in multifamily in mid to upper single digits in industrial and Thats allowed us to deal with the movement in cap rates and allowed us to deal with the movement in costs and protect our profitability.
As things go forward one of the very very positive circumstances about our development business is that it.
Very high quality very well located.
Build to core product, that's financed patiently with great external capital partners and.
And we can decide when to harvest those projects within any rational time frame such that we can optimize across the.
Where rents are where cap rates are et cetera. So.
And as Emma said in her prepared remarks.
Those assets that we have that $19 billion of in process development will harvest.
And it will harvest.
At a time, that's relatively opportune because of the flexibility we have in the way we capitalize those assets.
Yes, I guess, just a follow up I guess, given the commentary around the uncertainty right. It's people like those asset classes, but the debt markets have been probably more challenging and that's probably the bigger issue. So do we need to see like an improvement in the MBS market or bank lending.
I think people have confidence in industrial and apartments, but the financing markets are.
More gummed up today so.
I guess.
I think people need to see stability.
And they need to they need to have some clarity about where things are headed in the future.
There is a lot of capital queued up out there to buy those asset classes in there there's a lot of well leased well located assets that can be sold so by the way we're not the only one on the development side that has the model that I just described that builds very good quarters.
Build to core assets that are well capitalized in terms of.
Being patient much different than in prior cycles.
The industry has moved forward the industry's matured become more enlightened about how to capitalize its development and so I think I think people are looking for certainty.
And where cap rates are going to be where inflation is going to be that drives interest rates et cetera, and that's when that's when you will see.
Some of the slowdown in sales that we've described turn the other direction.
Great. Thanks, that's it for me.
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Our next question is from Jade Rahmani with DSW. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you very much on the M&A side.
How would you prioritize areas of business that Youre looking to expand in is it spread evenly across the board or do you see an outsized area.
To grow in last quarter, I think I asked about infrastructure I'm curious if that is a priority I know you have some existing footprint there, but how big a priority is expanding infrastructure.
Yes.
We look across our entire business all three.
Segments of our business and we look across lines of business and the geographies within the segments I will say that we tilt toward a few things.
We definitely are looking for businesses that enhance our capability to serve our clients we have increasingly.
Large amounts of business with clients that ask us to do things around the world across lines of business et cetera, and wherever we can fill in a capability that we don't have or that we think could be better we target that area for M&A, because we know we have the clients there.
To do the work for secondly, we really are focused on this notion of driving our capital and our resources.
Areas of secular benefit into areas that are resilient and so we are looking for M&A opportunities that match up with that we have a very we have a very definite plan and the various parts of our business we have areas we prioritize.
And if you looked at our.
The M&A pipeline it would be very evident we also have this notion of.
Certain aspects of what we're doing in that regard understandably are confidential and we wouldn't want to talk about what we are targeting specifically, but that's broadly how we think about it.
Thank you very much and second question is on the debt finance side I know you mentioned that in a declining property sales environment.
That business would perform better but overall is that an area of growth I believe you recently.
Bolstered the management team.
In commercial and multifamily finance.
I'm curious, how big a priority growing the debt placement businesses.
Okay, that's a very big priority for us and it's a business that has performed.
Incredibly well for us.
This year, we're expecting our overall debt origination business to grow and like you said a large part of that is because of and grow in the back half of the year and a large part of that is because of our exposure to the to the GSE.
So in the back half of the year as we're expecting a recession and.
And its property sales start to come down and private lending starts to pull back we expect the gse's will come back and accelerate and we will benefit significantly from that.
And so we are and and as a part of not only our debt origination business, but also our loan servicing business. So we're building out that team and we are very focused on continuing to grow that business.
Because if you think about the parts of our business that we talked about is resilient.
One of our businesses that can help drive growth and provide resiliency through through cycle.
Thank you very much.
We have reached the end of the question and answer session and I will now turn the call over to Bob <unk> for closing remarks.
Thanks, everybody for joining us today, and we look forward to talking to you again in about 90 days.
This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect. Your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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