Q2 2022 Agnico Eagle Mines Ltd Earnings Call
Good day. My name is Michelle and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Agnico Eagle 2nd Quarter Results 2022 call.
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Thank you. Mr. Amara Eljendi, you may begin your conference.
Thank you and good morning everyone and welcome to the Agnico Eagle Minds second quarter conference call. I'd like to start this call by thanking all of our employees for a strong quarter. When we have a strong quarter and this is a strong quarter, persons like myself and my colleagues, the executives here, we have the pleasure to get to speak about it, but we are well aware that there's a lot of hard work that goes into this. By the thousands of employees.
at the minds of the communities, at the support positions at the rock face, who are really working hard day in day out as a team to deliver these results. So we wanted to acknowledge that and thank everyone. So we wanted to acknowledge that and thank everyone.
On page five, first I will say there are some forward-looking statements that we should acknowledge and everyone should acknowledge. With that said, as I move to page five, we talk about the key takeaways this quarter. And the obvious headline key takeaway is the very strong operating results.
record quarterly production, excellent cost control, especially important in this inflationary environment, which naturally will lead to strong earnings and in this case, record cash flows. We will talk about the operating results and what the team has been able to do and importantly do it perhaps most importantly in a safe manner and environmentally friendly and responsible manner.
But I think the real message of today, the real story of the past quarter, and I think the real story for Agnico Eagle over the next several years is the exciting and significant progress on our development projects and our exploration results. And I say that because while we are performing on all cylinders on the operations, our development projects and exploration results really reflect the future of our industry.
the future of the company, the next five years, the next ten years. And I might say in the case of Detour, out past the next 30 years, which is quite impressive. Detour Lake, we provided a technical update. We'll get into that. That'll be a key part of today's discussion. But a 38% in mineral reserves and extending the mine life by ten years.
Odyssey Underground, the two largest gold mines in Canada, D2 or Lake and Odyssey, both continuing good development, good exploration at Odyssey, production and development on schedule, on budget, and some initial production as early as the first quarter of 2023. The Kirkman Lake Region progress made there, a sharp number four expected to be completed towards the end of the year.
We have very good progress on the amalgamated Kirkland evaluation. We are about two thirds of the way through the exploration drift which will become part of the development. But it's not just those projects and we'll talk about the shaft at Kitala coming close to completion. Amorook underground starting this quarter to bring in production. Goldex, we've just Heiko Ino, YtackixEsaba.
satellite project which will support both Goldex and Lerond and continue success and development across a number of our assets.
On the exploration side, and again, we'll get into more detail, but excellent results and importantly, really exciting results at both, well, at detour with a two-kilometer step-out hole suggesting continuity, two kilometers west of where the existing, or the current mine plan pitch shell is, at Odyssey Underground.
extension about 225 meters to the west. Possible extension hole out at 1.7 kilometers to the east, the gain showing you the potential of these massive ore bodies for continued development with existing infrastructure, existing teams in good jurisdictions, but also some really good news on some of our other sites. At Hope Bay, some exciting exploration results at Melody Dean, exciting action.
important in this current inflationary environment. And we are hoping and expecting that some of these operational synergies will act as a partial buffer to the cost pressures that we're seeing. Next page, please.
So on the operating highlights, 858,000 ounces of production at cash costs of $726 and all in sustaining of $1026. Again, over 850,000 ounces at $726 cash costs, excellent results. And we will get questions and we have had questions about how it is we have been able to manage our costs in this environment. We have taken a lot of pro- out of proactive.
We talked about it at the previous call and we talked about it at the call before that. We did have a view that inflation was going to be an issue in 2022. I remember Sean Boyd saying early on this is not going to be transitory and we looked at it that way. So we took some actions in advance. But at the end of the day, we were able to get a number of
The best way to control costs is to have efficient operations. And that's what the team has done. In particular, we're proud across the board, but Ontario and none of it had superb results with really drove the rest of the company. Gold production was better than expected. Grades better than expected and throughput better than expected. With some notable callouts to Amarook, Deter Lake, and Maccasse. And again, we'll get into those.
through this discussion. It does remain. We do continue to see inflationary pressure. We've managed it well in the first half of the year. We're working hard to manage it well in the second half of the year and into the future years. That said, we're not immune to it, and so we are maintaining production guidance. We're maintaining cost guidance, but we expect, based on what we see, that the costs are going to trend towards the upper end of the range.
Some strong balance sheet Dave Smith will talk a little bit about what we've done, but we're pleased to say that we paid down $125 million of debt as it came due in the quarter and we paid another $100 million since in line with what we promised, the right combination of capital to our shareholders, capital in the business, while at the same time being able to strengthen our balance sheet.
And of course, continuing with the 40-cent dividend through the quarter. Next slide, please.
I'll hit a few highlights on detour and then I'll ask Natasha and Eric to talk a little bit about some of the progress on the Mill expansion and on the exploration results, but But hearing the highlights, I think most of you have seen them, but
Frankly, we're so pleased with them, I'm going to say them again. 38% increase in gold reserves.
At D-Tour, that's 5.6 million ounces. So we're at 20.4 million ounces, and I will say going to continue to grow. We've increased the mine life by 10 years. Recovery gold increased the same 38% as reserves. Importantly, a little over 400,000 ounces added in the 2028, 2031 period. And the reason I say importantly is because that's what...
And I want to talk about that a little bit later. Importantly and impressively, higher grade and lower costs for the next 20 years.
That's pretty good considering this technical update incorporates some of the inflationary pressures we've seen recently versus the previous mine life. So to be able to increase grade and lower costs for 20 years and one of the best gold mines in the world, I think frankly is fantastic. Our vision, and we've said this before, our vision for detour is to get to a million ounces a year that would be through a combination of increasing mill throughput.
and potentially underground mining. It's our vision, we're working to get there and we expect to be able to give some clarity on that towards the end of next year. It's a lot of work, but the potential is absolutely there to increase production, but also to increase mine life. And...
The final point here, again very exciting and Eric will talk about this, some excellent exploration results including a step out hole 2 km west of the pit outline. With that maybe Natasha, I will turn it over to you. Thank you, and good morning everyone. Slide 8 provides an update of the status of a few critical projects required to increase the mill throughput to 28 million tons per year. The graph shows the number of people proceeded to build into 3,900 parts per 355 meters ofappot interacted
with the annual permit for 32.8 million tons a year. So back in 2020, when the 75,000 ton per day limit was in effect, there were at least 70 days where we achieved that daily limit and had to pull back the mill. So having that 75,000 ton a day limit removed has had a significant impact on the throughput.
We also converted our pulp lifters to a curved configuration from a radial configuration, and this switch has helped us increase our tons for operating hour, but also our overall throughput. The 610 conveyor refeed initiative has successfully been completed this year, Q1 actually, to gain an additional 750,000 tons a year. So basically, every time maintenance is performed on the crushing circuit, our throughput is impacted.
The goal of this system is simply to top up the feed going into the side mills during the crush or down time events. This has proven to be successful. We commissioned it in Q1. We are operating it in Q2 and the system is operating as per design.
A main contributor to the 28 million tons per year increases the insulation of the screens on the secondary crusher. This specific project will add about 2.25 million tons per year. Basically, the secondary cone crusher is most efficient when the fines. Smaller than the desired crushing product are removed from the feed. So by installing the screen we're able to filter out the fines and it will make the crusher much more efficient.
So we have begun the installation of the first set of screens in Q3 and we expect to have both permission by Q4 this year. So stay tuned.
Finally, next year we expect to add another 750,000 tons per year due to planned one-time improvements. The plan here is to improve how we analyze our downtime drivers, how we complete group cause analysis on breakdown events and make adjustments to resourcing, planning and scheduling. To summarize, all is going well and we are on track to achieving our 28 million tons per year in 2025. With that, I will pass the call over to Eric Calio, our EVP of exploration, strategy and growth.
which is highlighted here on the slide in blue.
Assuming.
A shallow, westerly plunge, most of the holes target about three to six hundred meters below surface along this plunge line is shown in pink on the lower part of the ground.
In terms of results, everything we've seen is looking very good, with some of the best being directly west of the pit where we already announced several high-grade holes in Q1. As shown on the image, we now have added quite a few more holes with pretty much all interesting results in them. Broad generally, broad zones of mineralization, sometimes up to 150 meters wide, and similar types of things is in the west pit and saddle.
often containing a mix of wide bulk and narrow hydride values.
Although some of the holes are a little deeper and possibly a little bit more suitable for undergown, we unexpectedly also saw several others like quite shallow depth, which we think could also add to the overall pet potential.
Additionally, we also received some very good results from some of our first step-old holes to the west, which not only confirmed the overall trend of the structures, but intersected high grades up to 32 grams.
32.3 grams over 4.8 meters, 2.2 kilometers west of the pit. Importantly, this and several other holes seem to have a little more quartz and visible gold than normally seen in the pit area, which would be very good for the underground scenario.
Considering all this, we're very encouraged for the future and continuing with 12 drills on site, targeting 230,000.
1000 meters by year end and then possibly a new resource update.
And when we do this...
We think that we can have a very good chance of adding significantly more ounces to either the open pit or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground. or the underground.
So based on the current plan though, we see that most of these new ounces would probably be added directly west of the pit and below, which would then still leave a lot of area even further west and to depth for future additions.
So overall summary of everything coming along very well and excited for the future. So I'll pass it over to it. Take it some more. Get some arcs.
Thanks, Eric.
Well, just one big picture about detour. So as you know, we've added a lot of ounces over the next 20 years. We've reduced costs. We've increased grade. But we've extended the mine life 10 years at about 3 million ounces from 2042 to 2052. To be sure right now.
Those are the processing of the low-grade stockpiles, and that's how all minds are optimized. But what we expect, and you just heard Eric talk about this, based on the continuing good drill results, we expect to find more gold and to extend the mind life longer. I'll say that again. We expect to find more gold, and we expect that there's a real possibility of extending the mind life further. And what that would do is for the 2042 to 2052, it would replace.
what is currently expected to be the low-grade stockpile processing with fresher, higher grade ore. So this is, and again, we said this before, we'll repeat, the D tour plan as good as it is, is just the next step to a longer plan that we're working on. This project continues to have tremendous potential. And as I move to page nine, I would say it's not just the, it's not just D tour. The two biggest.
Gold mines in Canada are de-tour and Odyssey. And at Odyssey, we have fantastic continuing results, 20 drills operating for underground, 12-it surface for regional. And again, we mentioned not only is the project progressing on budget by the project, I mean the underground project progressing on schedule and on budget, but some excellent holes both confirming what we've got and stepping out.
again, 225 kilometers to the west and at this point, up to 1.7 kilometers to the east. At Kirkland Lake, we mentioned shaft number four by the end of this year, the emalgamated Kirkland deposit. We still are guiding that we think we can bring in some of that gold as early as 2024. A perfect example of operational synergies where we're taking a historic and that we can bring in some of that. A perfect example of the way you can bring in some of that. you
Agnico asset that had no infrastructure associated with it and processing it through the Macasse mill. But it's also worth talking about HOPE and some of the very good drill results that we've had there. I wish I had more time to focus on this because it is exciting. But our vision for HOPE is 350,000 ounces a year.
We're working on that. The first step is drilling. And I can say that so far, the drilling has either met or exceeded our expectations. And then finally, before we turn the page, remember all of this are at assets that already exist with existing infrastructure and importantly, with teams already in place, which has always been important, but probably never more important than what we're seeing today in today's environment.
Just moving on to page 10.
On some highlights on our sustainability report, the first thing I would say is it's an excellent report. We've had a lot of good feedback on the report. We issued on June 20th. I couldn't do it justice to try to summarize here, and I would encourage everybody to take a look at it, and we're more than happy to set up meetings to discuss this. But what I would say is...
First, broadly speaking, ESG has always been a foundational part of who we are as a company, a foundational part of our culture. When you want to operate in a region for 30, 40, 50 years, you have to be a good neighbor and you have to be welcome in the community. And that hasn't changed. What we have, what has changed, or at least what we've emphasized more in, I would say, the last 24 months.
is a focus on climate change. And we continue to put a lot of efforts into that. Over the past 12 months, we have reviewed all of our, at all of our sites, effectively, all of the opportunities from simple to complex to be able to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And we've put in processes to look at that in more detail.
I will say something briefly but I think it's important.
A lot of this will be moving from fossil fuels to electricity. And we are, I would say, as far ahead as anyone in looking at that. But at the end of the day, if the electricity is not clean, then you're not making much progress. So I would say that our move towards greenhouse gas reductions can't be just a mining industry thing, can't be just an industry thing.
but it also has to be an electrical grid issue. And that is a big issue. We're aware of that. And we think that industry and government have to work together if we're serious. And we are serious. Next page please. Just briefly, on some of the operating financial results on page 11, the big number I want to point to is the $923 million of operating margin.
in this quarter. That is a strong business and all of the mines have delivered well. Rather than going through the individuals because they are in the appendix, I will go through the region. The Quebec region producing roughly 213,000 ounces at about an average cost of a little over $700 cash cost. Excellent results. Ontario, about 250,000 ounces at about $625 cash costs.
Nunavut, roughly 200,000 ounces at a little over $900 cash costs. Fosterville, 85,000 ounces at an outstanding $350 cash costs. Kitala, roughly 65,000 ounces at 828. And Mexico at 43,000 ounces at a little over $1,000 cash costs. We acknowledge this was a tough quarter at Pino-Saltos. The team there is an excellent team.
You know, you have 12 minds sometimes.
you know
Some mines have more difficulty than others. Just moving on to the next stage, Dave. Thank you, Omar. Of course, the tremendous operating results have resulted in a fantastic financial result as well. The company has a tremendous balance sheet, $2.2 billion of available liquidity. I would add, Omar already mentioned that we had $225 million of debt repayment this year.
But it is certainly something that has always been intended to be the variable component of the buyback. So we will analyze that in the second half of the year and see what we'll do there. We're also very proud that Fitch has upgraded our credit rating to triple B high, triple B plus and with a stable trend. So we are acknowledged as having a great balance sheet, certainly by third parties. And I think we're in a fantastic financial position.
Of course, inflation is a topic these days. Everybody's talking about it and you've seen in our results that we've been able to mitigate the inflation through optimization at the assets as much as possible. Realizing the synergies but also from some success in our hedge book as well has helped insulate us and all of that resulted in us leaving the cost guidance unchanged for the year and that wasn't easy to do but we're very proud of all the teams.
including the finance group for chipping in to help out with this result. Thank you, Dave. Just moving on to page 13 and again, congratulations, Dave, and the finance team for all the work you've done not just on the synergies, but also on the hedging and cost control efforts. Speaking of synergies, we promised in February that we would report how we're doing each quarter. Thank you.
and we are doing that. We have a summary here. I won't spend a lot of time on it, but I will say the team did a very good job in our press release laying out item by item where we are, where we expect to be, and to summarize, in general we are ahead of schedule and more synergies than we had anticipated. I would go so far as to say that with regards to corporate synergies, we have achieved our objective. We have achieved more than our objective. And we have achieved more than our objective. And we have once again increased
our guidance for corporate synergies by quite a bit, actually. On the operating and strategic synergies, we are maintaining guidance. Internally, we are a little bit ahead of our expectation, but at this point, we are maintaining guidance. That is important and good on its own, but again, I will emphasize that none of our guidance incorporates the synergy numbers, so we are hoping and expecting, frankly, that some of these synergy numbers have happened
will continue to play a role to help offset some of the inflation that we're seeing out in the business. And so then finishing on page 14 before we jump into questions.
Look, our strategy is the same that it's always been. It's a simple, consistent, disciplined strategy based on a few key things. First, first.
and good operations in good regions with low costs, with a focus on high margins and per share metrics.
Secondly, leveraging off the existing assets we have where we can, in the best jurisdictions, as measured by geologic potential and the ability to be able to operate multiple mines for multiple decades.
Odyssey and we talked about it, not only are they world-class minds, but I will emphasize again, world-class minds and world-class jurisdictions. When you are talking about production in the 2050s, it's good to know you are in a stable environment. And then finally, proven leadership with a strong track record with a focus on per share value. And what I would say on the proven leadership side is our Resilience when we register and start to
He is sitting right here beside me. Sean continues to be involved heavily on the strategic side of things. We talk on a very regular basis, not just Sean and I, but the whole team. It has been exceptionally helpful. On the ESG side, that has always been who we are. We are focused on that.
You know, when you're a company with a bunch of engineers, we're all really excited to look at the opportunities to focus more and more on reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, and we are excited to talk about that, and we will be giving more detail on our strategy on that later in the year. And then finally, a long history of returning capital to shareholders and of capital discipline. And I want to end by saying that while the story here...
has been, I hope, not just about production, but on the development and exploration projects, we are going to develop this pipeline in a responsible manner.
in a manner that still allows us to grow production per share while returning capital to shareholders and strengthening the balance sheet. And with that operator, we will now turn it over to questions.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your touch tone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request and your questions will be pulled in the order they are received. Should you wish to decline from the polling process to be pressed the star followed by the two? If you're using a speaker phone, please lift the hands up before pressing any keys. One moment please for your first question.
Your first question comes from the head to reek of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. On D-Tour Lake, you mentioned in the presentation that there's potential to maybe increase the throughput beyond 28 million tons per year. I know it's early, but any sense of whether that would be a capital-like type of expansion opportunity.
Oh Natasha, did you want to? Sure, hi Fahad. So yes, we are looking at expanding, or looking at the option of expanding the mill. We're looking at three options, actually, three separate alternatives, the low grade screening and an orsorting, pebble, low grade sorting, and also potentially an HPGR. We are just starting the studies. And so there is a lot of work that is yet to be done. So in terms of CAPEX, we...
We don't really have an estimate yet. We don't have an estimate, but absolutely for how relative to other alternatives, it's always the lightest capital when you are expanding on existing infrastructure. So there's three things that I apologize there's some feedback noise. But the three things that Natasha talked about are, frankly, relatively minor. We don't have the numbers yet, but in the scheme of a project of that size, the amount of capital that you put in is relatively small to what you get out. And then...
but also importantly, it's risk adjusted capital. It's not just the quantum of capital, it's how much risk is associated with that and you will never get a better risk adjusted capital than you do by expanding existing infrastructure.
understood. Okay. And then just switching gears to Macassa. So you mentioned, you know, potential to maybe incorporate the amalgamated Kirkland deposit at the Macassa mill. Is that, how should we think about that in 2024? Is that displacing Macassa ounces or is it?
is it maybe filling excess capacity at the plant because maybe macassa doesn't ramp up the way you expect that year?
Despite the productivity improvements. This would be incremental using excess capacity in the mill.
Okay, and then given the productivity gains that you've seen this quarter, and maybe in the past you've mentioned, potentially going back to diesel equipment and getting the productivity up over the next few years, is it possible that there is no excess capacity in 2024? Is it possible that there is no excess capacity in 2024?
We are looking at this. We have had a good quarter. There is a lot of progress made in the last six months to a year on continuous improvement efforts on the operations. Year-to-date we are observing higher availability on our electric trucks. There is still a long way to go but we are seeing an uptick in availability. We are also seeing a higher availability and utilization on our equipment fleet. Um..
And of course we're seeing higher or improved ventilation as well. So it is stabilizing. We plan on improving through putt. But we'll have to wait until we update our life of mine and provide a couple of more questions for onboard.
and annual guidance to understand how AK factors into the plan. Yeah, I mean, if I had your 100% right, our objective is to have no excess capacity in the mill. Our objective is to get the mining rate up. And then we will look at, and we know there are already opportunities to increase throughput at the mill. So your questions are valid in an ideal world. And this is what we're working to. The mining rate will fill the mill completely, so if I had my cast on it, I'd have malgamed it.
of grade reconciliation for detour and Amerook, is there any detail you can provide on what the perhaps percentage impact of that was, maybe what the factors are and the ability to see that continue.
Thanks.
Good. Andre, would you like to take that question? Sure. In relation to the tour, we continue to observe a positive reconciliation that is ranging on an annual base between 4% between grade and tons.
So that is being a combination of some efforts that we're putting at the torch continues to improve our great control and historical trends that we observe from with this model that we issued in 2020 that has reconciled with that range within the past three or four years.
On Amaroq, we were anticipating, and that's always been our understanding, the shallower part of the deposit was a bit lower grade, and as we were going deeper in both IVR and whale tail, the grade was to get better. We were pleasantly surprised. It came a bit ahead of the plan, so there's been a bit of some upside from that standpoint, accessing some higher grade material a couple of months sooner than expected this year.
And we see that trend continuing, and we were in fact planning to have a much stronger second half. And we see that trend and robustness in the grade to keep going moving forward.
Thank you. And one more question. The topic of the Catilla permit that's outstanding. I just wonder if there's any more information on what the issues are. And then in the event throughput remains two million times. What would be the expected production impact for the next two years for the disney guidance?
We are currently evaluating the decision of the administrative court. Currently we intend to continue the same throughput while discussing with them. We are going to know more in the Q3 about that.
Okay, thank you. And then, sorry, just on the – for the existing guidance, what was the throughput assumption for the next few years?
2 million tons per year.
So no change versus the existing permit.
No change for now.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question comes from Jackie Pizbolowski of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
I just want to follow up maybe on Fahad's questions about detour.
I know you've put the life of mine plan out, which is super helpful, but it looks like it includes stockpiled ore as basically the main source of ore in the later years. Can you talk a little bit about this exploration that is still to come and maybe the evidence you're seeing of continuity between the main pit and the faddle zone and if that is successful, how that might affect the overall mine plan, like not necessarily
to do with the expansion, but more to do with the grade through the life of mine. Thanks.
So, the expression at this point is really focused mostly on the west extension, I would say, and then chasing things to depth. We have actually already drilled most of the area in the saddle and the west pit to the similar spacing as what you see in the main pit. And so, be able to evaluate for open pit. We would be looking at closer space drilling, probably going forward, which might help the underground because we do see a lot of the higher grade is in smaller lenses.
on the west extension, I would say, and then chasing things to depth. We have actually already drilled most of the area in the saddle in the west pit to the similar spacing as what you see in the main pit. So, you should be able to evaluate for open pit. We would be looking at closer space drilling probably going forward, which might help the underground because we do see a lot of the higher grade in smaller lenses.
I think it's not so much expiration in the pit area, but it would be whether we need higher definition.
And Jackie, maybe I didn't totally understand your question, but certainly to the extent. So if you look at those low-grade stockfalls, and I don't know the number off the top of my head, I'm thinking it's about 0.35 grams or something like that. I'm thinking it's about 0.35 grams or something like that.
to the extent that you are putting through some of the additional exploration that even if we go through what we have currently got closer to say.97, that obviously roughly triples the production in those years which would put you closer to it, especially if you have a little bit of underground. We have given some very high-level numbers and these are very high-level at this point. But to the extent you are able to supplement some of the throughput
through an underground, say 5,000 tons a day, let's say between two and three grams, you can see that that really...
You know, gets you much closer to the sort of million-ounce target that we're talking about. Again, these are very high-level, but the concept clearly is you would be, you would be as you find more gold that is similar to the type of gold that you've got in the mine plan, you're able to defer effectively, you know, by adding to the mine life, you're able to defer the throughput, the milling of the low grade and replace it with higher grade.
Thanks, you did understand my question, but I just wanted to make sure I understand.
to answer fully. So in terms of open pit, open pit, mindable, or the main pit, the saddle zone are pretty well defined already. So maybe could you, like if I understood what the comment was, where would they opportunity be for adding new open, suitable or available? Is that for us?
Well, to the west is one of the main targets for sure. And this could be for either open pit or underground, depending on how close it is a surface. And of course, the widths and grades that you get. But we're not finished exploring to depth below the west pit to our saddle either. So there's still more drilling to be done there. And we have some infert within the pits. Those could be still converted. But that really we have.
The other thing is we are looking at holes that could be under north wall, the north pit area as well. So there's a various number of areas, I guess, looking at us. And it's important to understand, too, that they're not necessarily sequential, the open pit and underground. In fact, we would target and again, Jackie, this is, we're working on this, but to the extent you can make the underground contemporaneous with the open pit.
That's part that would be part of the plan as well. Does that does that help? Yeah, absolutely. No, that's that's super helpful. And then if I could maybe ask a little bit more color on your hedge book, you've obviously been really successful this year and managing your offer. Can you can you give us a bit of color on what what your strategy for hedging inputs or or effects or whatever it is for next year. And if you've kind of gotten started on that at this point, thanks.
Yeah, sure. So the most important input we have after gold is the Canadian dollar. And we're about 30% hedged in 2023 already on the Canadian dollar at much better than budget rates. The budget rate is 125 and this would round out to about 129 so far. We actually believe that we'll have the opportunity in the short term to continue to add to that position.
It is effectively an insurance policy. We don't know for sure what the Canadian dollar, US dollar, etc. are going to do in the future. It does give us some comfort on our cost guidance when we have hedges at better than budget rates. I think one of those opportunities is kind of right now. We will continue looking at that going forward. People are always asking about diesel. We will continue looking at that going forward.
It's a much smaller impact. It's only about 300 million liters per year. The current spot rate is about 120-ish Canadian per liter. And we are 26% hedged for 2023. At, actually worse than budget rates, but much better than spot rates. So not a bad position there too, but a much, much smaller input than the Canadian dollar. But it's for sure.
That's the super helpful. Thanks Dave. That's super mean. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question comes from Lawson Winder, a Bank of America's Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, Ammar and Dave. Thank you very much for the update. And I'd like to just commend you all, given a GECO standout on managing costs in the current inflationary environment. I think it's very impressive. I just wanted to sort of start with costs and ask about both Finland and Australia. So last quarter, you highlighted Finland as the region that was most impacted by cost inflation. I wanted to ask.
They have had a very good quarter relatively speaking efficiency wise. I think that is the biggest thing they have been able to do. Again, it is a combination of things we can do to control costs but at the end of the day efficiency drives a lot of that. Dominic? I think that is the biggest thing they have been able to do.
Yeah, you're right, Amar. On the, they did good improvement on drilling blasts and all the underground mining, which is a good cost. There's also a positive impact on the exchange rate with the euro, which is also giving a positive impact and put on that.
That makes a lot of sense. So similar question on Australia. Just, I mean, regarding that region, I mean, your peers are highlighting pretty significant issues with labor inflation and availability. But again, I mean, based on your cost per ton, it looks like you're managing very effectively. What, I mean, maybe you could speak to a Nico's experience with respect to labor inflation and availability on Australia. And availability on Australia.
Well, go ahead. Sure. Hi, Lawson. Yes, in terms of our employees in Australia and Bendigo specifically, the majority of our employees reside in Bendigo and the turnover has been low so we haven't seen too big of an impact from a labor perspective. And yeah, in terms of our cost per ton, we are seeing a slight rise but that's just a function of where we are with our mine sequencing. It has offset it.
there's this study which these are all part of that's coming out in 18 months.
So, I mean, some of these enhancements perhaps be implemented before that initial assessment is ready. So, I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. Ready?
Well, we're looking at a lot of things and the answer is some may come in sooner than later. We always tend to look at things in a bigger holistic perspective, Lawson, but absolutely, some of them could come in earlier. And as I think as Natasha showed with regards to detour, we gave the details on the current mind plan of 28 million tons, but she and her team have been working on that for a long time and we are well progressed on it.
OK.
And then if I could just ask one more question just on Odyssey. So now that Odyssey underground developments really well progressed could you maybe provide some comments on how you're finding the ground conditions versus Expectations and also note just to what depth have you now been? Developing. Thanks very much
in terms of ground conditions, they are excellent. Very good comments from the team. We are reaching our meters on schedule and on budget. We are still heading to have the first answers coming in Q1 next year. Everything is going as planned there. Could you just repeat your last question?
Oh yeah, I was just asking to what depth you've now developed at Autism.
I need to double check. I'm not sure. We're going to come back on that.
Okay, great. That's it for me. Thanks a lot guys and great work.
Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Anita Sony. Please go ahead. Please go ahead.
Good morning everyone. I think participating in my questions and congratulations on a good cost control and in this environment. And also the questions have been answered, but I do have a couple of ones on Akisaba. So Goldex satellite deposit, and I'm just looking at the ore feed. I think you said it was 1500 K ton, but that Akisaba is gonna add. Is that over and above the current mill feed or is that...
is that within the current milk feed, I just noticed the, you know, the Goldex grades are 1.6, so I was wondering why you would feed. To substitute the 0.84 versus the 0.6. I'm going to substitute the 0.84 versus the 0.6.
Yeah, the current license we have at Goldex is 9,500 tons per day. We're currently with the Goldex at 8,000 tons per day. So we already have space into the mill. Not here. Let's say, probably we need some modifications, small modifications to do it over 9,000 tons per day. But we think we're going to end up in between 8,500 to 9,000. The other aspect is we're going deeper at Goldex. 1.2 kilometers.
At the end of the day, we're going to top up the meal with gold eggs and ore, like as a bowl, just to have the good cash rule out of that.
And that 50 million Canadian that you're going to send that will help figure out how to process that cost. I just wonder if I was going to ask about that. The 50 million, it is mainly mining costs. So it's mainly a minimum infrastructure as we're going to process it at Goldex. And the contrary, it's going to be sent at LaRonde. So it's really mainly a stripping cost to the next two years. That first production is going to be in 2024.
Okay, I think that's it for my question. Well, actually, no, LaRonde. So you've had, I think you talked about re-sequencing of the mine in the second half of the year. It will that reverse back to what the original plan was, you know, with the guidance that you put out in February , should we still be modeling what we had expected in 2023 or should we sort of modify our assumptions to account for, account for this re-sequencing and doing with them, I guess.
a higher ground condition protocol? We are still in between the guidance range that we gave. It's going to be going a bit lower than the middle point, I guess, because we need to have more protocol in place, again, mainly in the East Mine, but that's going to be compensated from AZ-5. So currently we're mining 3,200 tons per day. They're looking to go at the 3,400 tons per day at AZ-5. That's to compensate.
And maybe also another interesting aspect with Akazaba coming into play. We're going to provide a higher copper grade to LaRontne Meal, which is going to provide them more flexibility to introduce eventually more satellite deposits. The expression drift or progressing well. We don't have yet the result from the drilling, but we started to drill at level 215 and level 9 recently. And eventually, I don't know, next year.
The next question comes from Greg Marns of TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Mikey, I just wanted to ask Natasha about the mill capacity growth of De Ktoro. Taking it to 28 million tons a year with the steps you're taking now, I'm likely to get more than that through that plant. Are you building in some contingency and say you get 10, 15% more? And if you do, that would get you up to close to 32 million tons without doing anything additional.
Good question, Greg. So right now we are targeting 28 million tons. We commissioned the 610 refeed, and it is operating as per design. The high intensity blasting and the choke feeding has shown some improvements, but we need a little bit more time to quantify it. So for now we are targeting the 28 million tons.
the limit. What would be the likelihood of increasing the level above 32.8 million tons? REPORTER It's a strong likelihood, I would say, because we went from the 75,000 ton per day limit up to 32.8 million tons a year. There was a step up on an annual throughput. I don't anticipate any issues, but maybe I'll pass it over to Mohammed to provide any more clarity on that. that. MINISTER ELLIOTT CHENI. weed responded to another question about whether Zuckerberg closing the rally this surgery must have been part of an emergency? I mean did that
the government. Thank you, Greg. In terms of likelihood from a permitting and regulatory perspective, we don't see any challenges to get to that number. As Natasha earlier mentioned, we were able to increase that throughput earlier and we would be going through that same
Just a final question again for Natasha. You talk about the ultra high grades coming in Anti-
What are we talking about? It's a great cadence over the year. It's a great cadence over the year.
In terms of Q4, we expect higher, we plan on sequencing, just based on sequencing we have a few high grade stopes coming in. I would say probably I don't have that information handy, but I would say probably in the 20 gram range if not slightly higher.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question comes from John Tomassos of John Tomassos Very Independent Research. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the great results.
I have two questions related to the west of Detour and west of Milardic deep drilling successes one two miles west of the known reserves or resources. From a share buyback compliance legal standpoint
Are you able to buy back shares?
Given that
You're drilling you're getting great results
The return on assays is a little bit unpredictable. Transportation labs are problematic. So the first question is...
Does it change the windows for buybacks or make them very short? One could also take the point of view that you have so many reserves already at Detour the Malartic underground resources that you're adding things for the 2050s at Detour 60s or 2040s at Malartic.
Maybe it isn't material. Then the second question after the legal issues is on buyback windows.
is for your own planning.
for your own planning, are these results?
Good enough to change the mining sequence and mine these new zones first.
mining sequence and mine these new zones first, or if they're
20 to 40 years out in the production plan, they're kind of...
Lossera NPV ounces.
Chris, can I answer the first one and then I can address the second? Thank you, John . Yes, sure. Thanks, John . So you're correct if we're in possession of material non-public information. We're not able to execute under the discretionary buyback plan. But we do have an obligation, obviously, to promptly disclose any material information. So if those results were in fact material, we would have to put them out via press release promptly. But as you sort of know,
In general, any given drill result for a company of our size is unlikely to be material. Beyond that, as part of our NCIB, we also do have the automatic plan in place if we choose to use it. And so if we do that, we can give instructions to the broker after which our discretion is removed and the broker executes those instructions. And we can only change those instructions if we're not in possession of material information.
And John , with regards to our ability to mind the drill results sooner than anticipated. So...
The mining sequence is going to be a function of the drill results and where the ore is. The good news is some of these step outs show the vastness of these ore bodies. The bad news, I guess, is that they are quite a distance away from existing infrastructure. What I would say is if, for example, we have some exceptional results at detour at a decent depth, a reasonably thin
We could, we could in all emphasize again, we could start the underground development to access those.
much more quickly. We don't, we don't, it doesn't have to be sequential with the open pit.
But it will just be determined by the drill results and then we would optimize the mine plan based on that.
If I could ask a different follow-up question, thank you for the clear responses.
Amaroog
How much did the second quarter outproduce the geologic model, 10%, 20%? Presumably there were top cuts in area influence conservatism. And do the second quarter results create a scenario for potentially underground mining if there's zones that are so good that you can spoon feed some brown sugar to the meldine mill.
It's the metal bank mills too big. I'm to answer the question about the grade first, let's say John is the key. So there was, there was no pocket of super-aggrey merrization, known at Amaroop. The pleasant surprise we had is that, you know, they came a bit earlier into a copper band triad and expected maybe due to some folding feature. So we know for a fact that we were writing into that and as the mind plan was...
But so far it's just a nice add-on, additional high grade that came earlier in the second quarter.
So maybe we shouldn't add extra years to our models, but we could add 5 or 10% above your projections for the next few years if we think that the sweet spots are going to recur.
I'm not sure I well understood your question, but certainly if we can continue and we're still exploring at depth, with the intention of, can we extend the life of mine, can we build on? Now what I mentioned is that, yeah, there was a bit more ton of that high-grade material that came earlier in the plan, but for the upcoming couple of years, we're back on track and we may, again, we haven't yet mined too much of those, and maybe we are a bit conservative on our estimation of the grade in that high-grade material.
Still, it needs to be proof of the pudding, so we'll see in the upcoming couple of quarter, what the performance when we mind those high grade parts of the deposit.
I'm sorry if I was implying second guessing of the projections, but we know you're conservative and we might want to hope for a little bit better. We dream.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you, John .
Thank you. The next question comes from Tanya Jakanasik, Nick. Go Shabank, please go ahead.
Good morning, I think that's me. Thank you for taking my questions. Ammar and team, can I just go back from detour, just the mine plan. Thank you for giving us some of the assumptions that went into that mine plan. Just missing the oil price assumption that you used, just over a long period of time, so just kind of try and understand what oil price you used.
Hi, Tania. So for the short term model, we used $1.10 per liter. The long term, I can't remember exactly the cost per liter, but it was based on our forward-looking curve. And I believe it was increased by 10 cents a liter compared to the previous plan. OK. I'll take it offline and maybe just get a sensitivity from someone to just so that it's a long period of time and if fuel changes, that gives you some relief. So just try to...
in the early 30s. I'm just trying to see when could you see an underground come in at the same time you have the open pit and potentially before the stockpiles come in. Right, right, Tonya, good question. So we are working on doing the exploration drilling. We're working on studies into the future. So we anticipate definitely the viability of the underground plan will bring it into sometime sooner than the 2040 mark.
So we will, we're looking at mining the underground as we mine the open pit. Okay, so before the the stockpiles come.
on board so before 2042 so sometimes in the 30s with that the reasonable sounds good. Yeah, that's that's right
Okay.
And then just from a bigger picture, like I think I heard that there's going to be a potential to increase the resource at this asset at year end. Maybe someone can just share with me, is this going to be in the inferred category, and from what areas are we seeing this increase in resource?
If we have potential to add resources both the Open Pit and underground, probably most likely near the west end of the West Pit, and also in areas that are...
that may be on the north wall or below the west pit. We have almost 80,000 assays now, even since the last time we've closed the database since February 5th, and by year end, we're gonna have closer to maybe 150,000. So a lot of them are gonna be in that area. And, uh,
Part of what category this will all go in, but I think a lot of it could still be in inferred, but there will be at least some indicated. And so. And Tanya, that gets to the question. You know, why are we giving, we're sort of anticipating being able to give a full sum update at the end of next year. And a natural question is, well, why does it take you that long on the mill? It's not just the mill. It's also taking into account all of this exploration. So there's a lot of work to be done. You know, it is quite remarkable.
the amount of drilling we've done but it there's a lot of potential but there's a lot of work to bring it all together.
No, I know, Mark, thank you. I appreciate it. And I know we all, we focused on the Mell a lot. I was just trying to conceptually see a bigger picture for this asset to try and see, OK, if we can get the Mell there, which looks like it can be done quite, I shouldn't say quite easily, these things aren't easy. But it can be done. It's just then looking at the mind plan and trying to see how you sequence all of these areas in to get to that million ounces. And sort of when can we see this?
These stockpiles can be pushed out and can we supplement 2042 from just the open pit and underground for another decade or so before we hit the stockpiles again. I'm just trying to understand that, that's all. Yeah, Tanya, those are exactly the right questions. 100%
So thank you. So I'll look forward to getting more information on that to my plan. If I could ask just another question, and it's going to come back to just the inflationary environment again. And I wanted to circle back to, we've seen a lot of...
high turnover and issues at isolated mines, so fly in, fly out mines around the world. And obviously you have that situation up in Nunavut. Can you talk to me about what you're seeing with your labor in Nunavut in terms of turnover and or inflationary pressures? We've just seen a lot in various other mines. So I'm just trying to understand how this is impacting you.
Hi, Tanya. We see also that the pressure, especially with Quebec, where a lot of our workforce also is coming from, but so far we are able to mitigate it. Again, low, mark, low for?
We have a good relationship with our employees. They like to work with us and let's say they stay with us. But I would say also in Nunavut, last quarter we have added 50 Nunavut to our workforce. Which is also, we continue to hire as much as we can locally. After COVID we had to.....
We have been able to get back to home, but now we are just getting back to where we were before. This is compensating or helping to mitigate that aspect. PREMIER DOUG FORD FORD our employees, our engineers, our mechanics.
It's a lot tougher if you're building a brand new mine in a brand new region. So again, we are benefiting from that. So again, we are benefiting from that.
Yeah, what type of labor inflation would you be seeing in none of it compared to some of your other operations? It's just I'm like I've heard as high as 8 10% in some areas and that are isolated. So I'm just trying to understand where you are on that in none of it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, I think we negotiate with our employees and I think it's November of every year. So, you know, the last negotiation if I recall was 3.5 to 4%.
We are working with the team and with our employees to try to figure out what the number is but we will probably have a better idea on that later in the year but for now we are largely covered by what we negotiated earlier.
Okay, perfect. And then maybe if you could just still ask about inflation. I mean another area we've seen, you know, stresses on strains on have been in shaft sinking and you're going to be starting the, you know, Odyssey shaft sinking in October , you know,
Very shortly. I'm just trying to understand from you, or what can you share with us that helps us understand that some of the issues that we've seen in other companies, you're able to, how comfortable are you with your budget for that shaft thinking portion of the shaft in your Canadian, I think it was 1.2 billion, the CAPEX.
Yeah, we have the opportunity at Canadian Meloar Tech to be in, let's say, a good area close to the 117 where it's easy, it's a good place to mine and to work. We also have, we're finishing the shaft sinking in Kittelaw and also at Makassa. So there's part of the workforce that also is going to be going to transition to ODC. We're doing
Currently staffing those teams, and we still expect to start to do.)
Okay, so are you saying that it's some of your own employees that you're bringing back or the contractors that you're bringing back to help and located in Canadian Millard Tech so close to home to work on the shaft sinking and i.e. not being isolated in a camp.
Yeah, we have that advantage at ODC. It's a sexy place to work right now. I'm not sure about sexy. Well, it's a good place to work and we, all the shaft sinking employees are going to work through the contractor, but this is a small work and from one contractor to the other one, this is usual that the shaft sinkers employees are getting to the best place.
They're going to be higher through the contractor. Okay. And if I could just for Dave, just on the inflation estimates, or inflation pressures you're seeing, can you just review with us again? You know, as an I ask this on every call, you know, I understand, you know, we've seen a bit of relief and fuel, so we're all seeing that. And some, you know, other, you know, oil-based products.
But can you just let us know where you're seeing the most inflationary pressures coming through? We talked about your labor at Kittila. But maybe anything else that you want to share with us where you're seeing more pressure, or maybe you've seen relief in some areas. Any insights would be appreciated.
Yeah, first I'll get back to you on the detour study assumptions on oil. The first three years are Canadian dollar, a dollar 10 per liter. And then after that it falls back to 90 cents. I'm probably not the best person to talk about the inflation that we're seeing in the business. Because of course I'm watching most carefully the financial. And thankfully everything's working as it should. And the Canadian dollar is relatively weak at the moment really helping us out.
But maybe Natasha or Dom might be best to talk about where the biggest components are.
Yeah, we see inflation on a region and still product stuff like that. But overall, as I more mentioned, we're working to optimize the cost on productivity with different aspects on automation, fleet management, ventilation on demand, which is offsetting that inflation. This is what we control and what we work and we could see it in our results right now.
And we expect again to be to stay in two guidance through the end of the year. I don't know, Nadezhya, if you'd like to add something. Yeah, no, it's similar. Dom, so Tanya, we are seeing a flight increase in our military agents, seeing it in the grinding media. We're seeing it, and of course, diesel. But like Dom mentioned, we are looking at optimization efforts so I can give you a perfect example of that detour, right? Diesel, we are definitely exposed on that end. But we're looking at payload optimization.
Thank you so much. I'll be that to someone else.
Thank you. We have time for one more question, and that question will come from Mike Parkin of National Bank. Please go ahead.
Thanks guys and congrats on the good quarter. Can you just give us an update in terms of where you stand with D2R?
and grab them a good quarter. Can you just give us an update in terms of where you stand with D2R, with respect to... with respect to...
with the First Nations as well as are you fully permitted now for what you're pitching with this life of mine plan update? Or is there any revisions to permits or completely new permits that you would require to move ahead with that?
Mohamed. Thank you for the question, Mike. It's Mohamed here. With regarding your questions on the two folds with the agreements in the indigenous communities and then the permits, as you stated, it is in that order at the moment we have all the necessary agreements to proceed with the expansion. And then with the expansion itself, our consultation process is just beginning and then we'll be going through the permitting process, which is going to be very similar to the permitting process. We went through for the West Detour expansion. So there shouldn't be any other...
projects and the exploration that are going to set this company forward for years to come. So everyone have a nice long weekend and thank you for your time.
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