Q2 2022 Travelcenters of America Inc Earnings Call
Good morning and welcome to Travel Centers of America, Second Quarter 2022 Investor Call. This call is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to introduce TA's Director of Investor Relations in this Kristen Brown. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. We will begin today's call with remarks from TA's Chief Executive Officer, John Perchick, followed by Chief Financial Officer Peter Craige and President Barry Richards for our analyst, Q&A. Today's conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Security's litigation reform act of 1995 and federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on TA's present beliefs and expectations as of today, August 2, 2022.
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During this call, we will be discussing non- GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, EBITDA, and adjusted EBITDA. The reconciliations of these non- GAAP measures to the most comparable gap amounts are available in our earnings press release that can be found in the new section on our website. The financial and operating measures implied and or stated on today's call, as well as any qualitative comments regarding performance should be assumed to be regarding the second quarter of 2022. The second quarter of 2022.
As compared to the second quarter of 2021, unless stated otherwise. Finally, I would like to remind you that the recording and retransmission of today's conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of TA. And with that, John , I'll turn the call over to you.
Thanks, Kristen. Good morning to everyone, and thank you for your continuing interest in TA.
Strength, resilience, consistency, the ability to optimize opportunity and outperformance.
My 18,000 teammates at Travel Centers of America have increasingly demonstrated these qualities in recent years.
And the benefits of their efforts were fully on display in the outstanding second quarter results reported yesterday.
I believe the TA's performance and execution during what has been a challenging and dynamic past 30 months provides the best evidence that these results are sustainable and repeatable moving forward.
For the second quarter of 2022, as compared to the prior year quarter, TA produced the following.
A 117% improvement in adjusted net income to $64.4 million.
A 67% improvement in adjusted EBIDI to $122.8 million.
And a 56% increase in trailing 12-month adjusted EBIDA to nearly $300 million versus the prior year period. www.dintro.com
In short, healthy top-line growth translated into even greater operating leverage, generating significant increases in income and operating cash flow.
Remember that our Q2 2021 growth over Q2 2020 results were significant, which makes this quarter's outcome even more impressive against a difficult comp.
So once again, gaa demonstrated multiyear improvements that are both consistent and extraordinary.
I want to draw attention to TA's multi-year financial improvement.
TA's 2019 adjusted EBITDA was $131 million.
In 2020, our newly combined team generated an adjusted EBITDA of $147 million, despite facing the adverse effects of COVID.
In 2021, we broke the $200 million mark with $220.2 million of adjusted EBITDA.
now we have generated just under $300 million of trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA.
These results demonstrate consistency, resilience, growth, and significant value creation.
While much of this upside this quarter resulted from fuel margin,
Strength can be found across our businesses.
Most obviously within fuel margin, TA's fuel team has intensively refined the supply management process. The supply management process. The supply management process.
Enabling the team to leverage a favorably volatile period.
to efficiently maximize diesel margins which led to strong results.
I would underscore that this was not merely favorable market forces.
but circumstances combined with excellent team performance and execution.
Starting with the commercial division, margin expansion was driven in large part by strong truck service performance, with substantial growth coming from our mobile maintenance business, solidly outpacing any inflationary impact.
And many initiatives relating to technician compensation and retention, improving tech efficiency and leveraging technology to improve the professional driver experience remain in front of us with value yet to be harvested.
Shifting the hospitality.
We have been largely successful in thoughtfully increasing prices to offset labor and operating across pressures. DCS
Thank you.
Here too, many initiatives have just gotten underway, including for example, TA's Customer Loyalty Program, improving food operations, and merchandising efficiency through leveraging technology, with the impacts that have not yet begun to take hold.
Moreover, we are carefully working on our various food and seastore offerings to continue to find ways to improve top line as well as bottom line efficiencies.
And non-fuel revenues were again strengthened by demand for diesel exhaust, fluid or depth. And for diesel exhaust, fluid or depth. For diesel exhaust, fluid or depth.
We remain on track to have depth dispensers on the diesel fuel island at all TA petros nationwide by the end of this year.
Importantly, I also wanted to touch on the resiliency of TA's business model.
While volatility and uncertainty have created challenges for our national economy as well as for the consumer motorist side of our business
with inflation and wage compression impacting discretionary spending at the C-stores and on food.
These same uncertainties and volatility are also creating the favorable fuel market conditions.
from which our team has been successful at generating diesel margin upside.
Herein lies the resiliency of TA's business model.
And on this point of resilience, I do want to offer my outlook for the remainder of 2022.
My belief is that we can reasonably expect persistent volatility to remain at least through the end of 2022, led by the war in Ukraine, continuing supply constraints, persistent inflation, GDP contraction.
While we expect this volatility to continue to modestly suppress gasoline volumes and hospitality,
We also expect to benefit from favorable diesel margin conditions that we saw in Q2.
with continued excellent execution by our fuel team.
We should expect the ASEFULE margins to remain robust and mitigate macroeconomic-driven softness in other areas, which in turn should provide continuing solid overall performance.
We are not increasing our long-term fuel CPG guidance.
However,
we are clearly signaling a strong likelihood that higher than typical fuel margins should persist through the remainder of this year.
In addition, we are not content to rest in our existing performance and momentum. We continue to pursue transformational initiatives in our future. We continue to pursue transformational initiatives. We continue to pursue transformational initiatives.
including expanding TA's new small fleet program and the development of artificial intelligence to support diesel street pricing, among other initiatives.
We expect these out activities will begin to contribute new and higher margin volumes by the end of 22 and also make contribute more non-fuel retail at hospitality sales.
Moving to growth initiatives, our robust acquisition pipeline totaling five highly probable opportunities, and more than 25 locations under serious consideration.
positions us to add independent sites along active corridors to strengthen the TA Network's Geographic coverage.
Also, I am happy to report that the first two acquisitions we closed in April are significantly outperforming our pro-form at EBITDA return expectations.
of a minimum mid-teens return on investment, largely due to synergies.
Acquisitions will provide substantial incremental run rate EBITDA next year and beyond.
Furthermore, since the beginning of 2022, we have entered into 50 Travel Center franchiseanswer for greenhouse51. Lubiniken who is now on COVID-19, Engineering Manager fororse
Five of these franchise sites began operations during 2020, two during 2021 and one during the second quarter of 2022. 2-During 2021 and one during the second quarter of 2022.
We expect to open the balance of these 40 plus travel centers between now and the third quarter of 2024 and have a go-forward target of opening 30 annually.
These will begin to contribute meaningful incremental EBITDA starting at the end of 2022 and into 2023.
Looking ahead, we are making capital allocation decisions to achieve the best returns and continue to anticipate our non-acquisition capital spend in 2022 to be between $175 and $200 million.
Beyond baseline amounts for standard break-fix capital, these expenditures focus heavily on growth opportunities and important remedial expenditures.
with the primary focus on customer facing and customer impacting opportunities and investments that generate efficiencies. That generate efficiencies.
The areas include the physical plant of our locations and IT systems.
In addition, I would like to share a couple of points about our capital allocation philosophy as follows. I would like to share a couple of points about our capital allocation philosophy as follows.
First, we do not expect money spent to yield a one and done performance, but rather contribute a cumulative effect from the many improvements we have made that should clearly demonstrate greater earnings capacity over time.
Second, even when considering our ongoing capital needs, we continue to generate substantial amounts of cash flow, which provides significant firepower to drive growth and generate shareholder value.
Third, despite our resilient business model as I discussed earlier, we believe that maintaining a liquid and robust balance sheet is the important foundation for any deep value growth company.
Moving beyond capital allocation, we have spent substantial time in recent years reshaping the profile and prospects of travel centers of America.
Having achieved strong operating and financial results over the past few years, we are now committed to closing our valuation gap to reflect our greatly improved company.
Our current enterprise value in no way reflects the robust earnings and cash flow capacity of TA.
We will expand on this message and make the case for a higher valuation during our investor day on September 20th in New York City.
Before I turn things over to Peter, I would like to take a moment to share important non-financial achievements and recognition that demonstrate TA's commitment to leadership and excellence.
In recent months, TA has been awarded the following. in Florence.
Return to the Fortune 500 number 461.
Two, the name by Crain's is a top workplace for large companies in Northeast Ohio.
Three, been selected by USA Today as a Top 10 Best Gas Station Brand nationwide.
Also looking forward, TA is excited about the following.
Ringing the closing bell at NASDAQ on September 19th.
Hosting a targeted investor day September 20th at NASDAQ, where we will showcase the depth of our management team and highlight TA's value proposition in tangible ways. And...
releasing our first ever ESG report in the next month.
We have worked hard to transform this great 50-year-old company over the past few years.
I think our Q2 results show we are now graduating to a reliable, durable and resilient company.
that consistently executes
strongly warrants consideration from deep value to growth-oriented investors.
Finally, and as always, I would like to end with an expression of gratitude to our teammates, guests, customers, analysts, and shareholders.
Thank you all for your continuing commitment to TA Petro.
And with that, I will hand over the call to Peter Krage, our CFO . Peter?
Thank you, John , and good morning, everyone.
As John mentioned, this was another excellent quarter for the company.
When you consider these results not only on their own, but as measured against our improved performance over the past two years.
They clearly demonstrate the ability of TA's business to continue to improve operating results and generate strong cash flow.
Now to more detail on our results.
For the second quarter, we reported net income of $64 million, or $4.31 per share.
which more than doubled from last year's $2.02 per share.
Excluding some all one-time items in both quarters. As detailed in our earnings release, we generated a 117% improvement in adjusted income against what was a very strong comp in 2021. Excuse me.
Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes two one-time items in each quarter, increased by $49.2 million or 67%, primarily due to strong diesel CPG margin and non-fuel gross margin, particularly in our truck service business.
This was partly offset by elevated.
inflation-induced labor and operating costs, which are prevalent across the broader economy.
Our fuel sales volume was slightly reduced by 9.3 million gallons or 1.6% to just over 574 million gallons.
The mix shows diesel sales volume largely stable and a 10.7% decrease in gasoline sales volume that likely reflects temporary demand destruction related to increases in retail pump pricing.
Fuel gross margin increased $56.3 million.
to $156.6 million or 56.2%.
And combined margin cents per gallon improved 10.1 cents or 58.7 percent to 27 cents over the prior year.
This increased grew from unusual fuel market volatility at the macro level and
Solid execution by the Travel Centers fuel team.
I will add that in July . Market volatility has abated somewhat from the levels we saw in the second quarter, but we continue to generate a solid blended CPG margin of approximately 26 cents per gallon.
For the time being, we believe it is prudent to maintain our long-term guidance of 15 to 17 cents for a blended field gross margin per gallon.
However,
As John mentioned, we do believe that volatility will remain elevated, at least through this year. Do do broader supply and economic uncertainty. And this volatility combined with excellent execution by our fuel team will generate higher CPG for the remainder of 2022.
in the future as we begin to see volatility stabilize and realize meaningful impact from our recently launched initiatives.
such as AI, diesel pricing, and our small fleet program.
These sustainable drivers of higher fuel margin will lead us to revisit this long-term guidance.
and make appropriate upward adjustments that we are confident are sustainable.
Non-fuel revenues increased by $51.6 million or 10.3% and total non-fuel gross margin increased by $28.7 million or 9.5%.
operating costs increased twenty six point one million dollars for eleven point two percent because of stronger business activity and continued inflationary wage and opex pressures.
Against 2021, Strength and Truck Service revenues up 12.4% and diesel exhaust fluid up 44.7%. We're largely price-driven as we adjust to address inflationary cost pressures and continued growth in our mobile maintenance business.
Variable costs were well controlled in truck service relative to the solid revenue increases.
Driving improved profitability.
Revenue is from Store and Restaurant, which includes both full service and quick service.
increased by 3.1 and 8.4% respectively.
Fails here were offset by increased inflationary labor and operating costs.
We have been successful in managing these costs to dull the impact and are making adjustments to mitigate these inflation-induced cost pressures on a site-by-site basis.
in advance of the improvements Sean discussed relating to customer loyalty, operations, and technology.
S-GNA expense for the quarter came in at 6.5% of total fuel gross margin plus non-fuel revenue.
as we continue to support our growth and efficiency initiatives.
As a reminder, we have established the benchmark of costs on a relative basis to the growth in business.
and expect annual SGNA to be in the range of six and three quarters to seven and a quarter percent of fuel gross margin plus non-fuel revenue.
We were below this range for the quarter and are comfortable that we can continue carrying our growth initiatives at this level of spend.
Touching on our balance sheet for a moment, at June 30th, we had cash and cash equivalence of $565 million, and availability under our revolving credit facility of $185 million, for total liquidity of $750 million, and no near-term debt maturities.
We invested $39.4 million in capital expenditures during the second quarter and $90 million for the year thus far.
We continue to anticipate a cash spend between 175 and 200 million dollars on CAPEX projects in 2022.
While supply chain challenges continue to exist, we have been largely successful this year in completing projects on time and at levels at or near our original budgets.
In addition to CapEx spend, we also invested $52 million total cash consideration to acquire two franchise locations in April .
and a third added in July for approximately $15 million.
Our typical mid-year reassessment of our capital allocation plan is particularly important this year given growing recession expectations.
To be sure we deploy capital on projects that generate the best returns most quickly, we are filtering our spend for the remainder of the year.
But to be clear, any potential adjustments to our spend will not affect our long-term plan to continue investing in our travel centers and continue our growth trajectory.
We believe our strong liquidity position is important.
not only to the execution of our organic and inorganic growth strategy, but also to position ourselves defensively against economic headwinds.
That concludes our prepared remarks operator. We are now ready to take questions.
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch tone phone. If you are using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
The first question comes from Brian Mayer with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead with your question.
Good morning, Jonathan and Peter. Thank you for the comments so far. A couple of questions.
on the pipeline for acquisitions. Can you drill down a little bit more on how deep that is? I think you said in your prepared comments, you were looking at five properties. And you'd discuss maybe pricing either on an absolute basis or on maybe a multiple of EBITDA, and who might be the potential sellers.
Sure, thanks Brian . Good to connect this morning. Really psyched to share our earnings this quarter. The pipeline as we noted, there are five that we call sort of highly probable. We tend to look at things pretty conservatively, so you can read into that as you may what we mean with a highly probable 25 that are under very, very serious review. Again, we look at things and we communicate conservatively there. We have a pipeline of potential other sites that are in the process. That is. That is. That is.
a multiple on top of that bigger number. You know pricing and an upside, you know, sort of talk about those two together because the first couple that closed, which frankly because they were franchise, we expected while lower execution risk, we didn't expect the synergies to be a significant, as they're part of our network. And we're doing far, far better than what we had pro-formad. And I think the inbound presynirgy multiples in general loosely speaking, meaning I don't want to point at anyone.
is five to six times, something like that. And then last, your last point question is, who are these folks, so to speak, or who are the likely kinds of sellers? These are onesy twosies, single location, some double locations, there are no five, six, 10 mini portfolios, unfortunately, though we're looking, we continue to look. Initially, these were just opportunistic.
where we found a location or two that was in a good corridor, that we were just sort of, we were shaking the tree and someone would come along and we would engage. And that's played out very well so far. Now we're getting a little bit more strategic and identifying a little more assertively corridors and then looking in those corridors with a great deal of focus. I could envision a few years down the pike, not today, but a few years down the pike when the economy sort of renormalizes, restabilizes, we may very well start getting into more ground up.
in a significant way, I don't think that'll be a part of our business in the very, very near term and again in a scaled way. In the near term it'll continue to be these onesie twosies, one or two location, mom and pop existing travel centers that we can roll into our network and see really significant synergies. In a single day that company will sign this and deliver a secondary gather that needs
Okay, thanks for that. And on the catbacks, good to hear that you're moving along despite supply chains issues. But do you have any initial thoughts for what 2023 might look like? And then also, I know that prior C-Suite Management used to sell some of the improvements back to SPC on those 179 properties. And on those 179 properties.
Is there any scenario, you know, kind of this year or next year where you're maybe adding a restaurant or a truck service bay that you might sell back some of those improvements to SPC?
So with the latter selling improvements, no. Whether it's adding a restaurant, adding a truck service bay, just short answer no. It's not part of our strategy. It's not how we plan to go forward. You know, in terms of next year's CAPEX and, you know, we need to run our process and we're doing a mid-year evaluation right now, which any normal healthy company should do. And as you do that in a year where we budgeted, and this doesn't suggest there'll be any change in the headline numbers, I don't think there will be. But when you budget, you know, when we set our budget last September , October ,
inflation was like 5.2% it's now 9 so you know the mid year look you normally doing a healthy normal year you look with greater you know care We have to complete that we then got a role into our budget process for next year to really have a good answer But I do think at least through next year we will have a output in quotes elevated
Capital budget. I don't want to suggest the range, but I will say it'll be elevated to what sort of a stable state normal, re-normalized CapEx budget would look like. I still think we have at least another year here of a very significant investments greater than the normal run rate to continue to effectuate the opportunities we have and really harvest some of the opportunities that are in front of us. I think we have at least another year of elevated CapEx.
Okay, thanks for that. And then just last for me on the fuel margins and congratulations for such a profound number. It reminds me a lot of 4 Q2 014, which I'm kind of dating myself, covering the company where TA did, I think 28 cents that quarter, and then it faded off to 225, still phenomenal in 1 Q1 5, and kind of moved down to the very high teens and low 20s in the next few quarters. Do you think we should?
i cpg back then overall q1 to q1 at least i know it factually our ebidot overall was significantly better it's hard frankly it's really hard to look to another period to suggest what the pattern would look like here you know it could be flatter it could be steeper it could be we you know we really just don't know what we do know is we're a different company now then we were back then and then we've been since then
And what we're learning, and Peter and I, having been here a couple of years, has started to see, maybe a year and a half ago, was this unusual, interesting resilience of almost quasi-hedge between different parts of the business. And I think as we're executing better, we highlight it. I try to really emphasize.
The market was very strong for us, but the way the fuel team executed within that was at a whole nother level. And so there are just so many different variables. We're a different company today, very different than we were then. And two, the circumstances are different economically and otherwise so it's really hard to predict what the pattern will look like in the mid to longer term. I just know we're in a really good spot between the changes we've made, the long list of yet to be harvested opportunities, and the AI machine learning.
Brian on the two handle we certainly hope so. I think as John pointed out as we pointed out the causes for that are volatility created by external exogenous factors. We don't see those abating over the next 90 days so the third quarter we would expect something and we've gotten obviously better at purchasing as we pointed out the field team has done an incredible job. So we certainly hope that it has a two handle we expect it will. Now the fourth quarter of course is more difficult to say because it's out further.
Okay, thank you and congratulations again on a phenomenal quarter. Thank you. And wh Maps.
Our next question comes from Paul Duais with City Research. Please go ahead with your question.
Hey, thanks guys, a couple questions. Just on the lower gallons during the quarter, here is how that looked on a month to month basis. If you saw big fluctuations throughout the quarter, and even maybe if you could give us an update on what you've been seeing in July from a gallon-sold perspective. And then second, we'd love to hear an update on the loyalty program. And then last, on the 42 franchise locations.
Peter correct me to any extent I get this not perfectly accurate but accurately. But the reduction we've seen is pretty much entirely in gasoline, which stated another way is motorists, us, all of us are behavior, not trucker behavior. So we've seen a persistence of diesel. Remember we're lapping a very strong year, the prior year number one in fuel in general, fuel volume growth. Very very significant last year, so we're lapping that year.
And diesel volume to last year has been persistently sort of stable and I would say flat in terms of volume growth. Now we have a bunch of initiatives again at the AI machine learning for diesel street pricing. The new small fleet program is just getting rolling. So there's some real opportunities we have there but fundamentally it's sort of flat. The entire reduction we've seen is in gasoline volumes and I would say,
Those volumes had never fully recovered to pre-COVID, by the way. And if they did it with the briefest of periods where we were up to pre-COVID, gasoline gallons. And so those never fully recovered, I would say we've seen a continuation of a very flat, but continuing slight drop in gasoline volumes through the quarter, as we got to the end of the quarter. I think that's accurate to say.
Anything on that, Peter, before I move to loyalty and franchise? No, right on. Obviously, we disclosed the 26 cent range for July so far. Volumes flat on diesel. Gas has accelerated in its decline slightly from the second quarter, but that's to be expected. Right. And consistent with what sort of the armchair perspective might be on the impact of a 9% inflationary rate and the labor participation or unemployment for the labor participation rate, which is meaning people who are sitting on the sidelines not looking for a job is also about a point to two points lower than...
ask the follow and I can share a little bit on that, which is not the loyalty program more comprehensively. And then on the 42 franchise, the number of franchises opening, you know, and delay and all of that, they're really these, when we first started to pursue franchise, I surmised, I speculated, I theorized that we would find a lot of existing travel centers, mom and pops that we would convert to a TA and the process of conversion of an existing travel center to a TA is, you know, maybe months, maybe half a year on the high end.
to open the 40 plus. I think that's about right and no I don't think that that will be back end loaded. I think it'll be a fairly even spread starting you know as we wrap up the end of this year into next year. I think you'll start to see these popping up you know every every month every few months. You know a good handful and so on. I think that's the way the pattern we expect to see.
Jonathan, you mentioned the small fleet program. I'm kind of like maybe it's something to share there. Just the progress that you're seeing on that initiative. Would love to hear more about it. Yeah, we're really, it's something in the fuel area that the AI and machine learning for street diesel, which by the way, we talk a lot about that because we're now, we finished our phase two beta and we're preparing to roll that out and scale that as we get into these next couple of quarters here. We're really, really excited about that. I also, I'm staying on that for a second. I believe AI is going to benefit us in how we manage our supply and there's a long.
gotten off to a really good jump start. You know, to really start to see it in dollars and cents is gonna take a little while, because again, you need to scale it. They are small fleets, so by definition, the volumes are gonna be smaller. But it's another area that as we get toward the end of this year and into next, I think that's when we start to see a measurably financial impact.
Great, thank you, good luck.
Great, thank you. Good luck. Thanks for the questions, Paul.
Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question comes from Eri Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Thanks in the morning. Maybe just following up on the fuel margin, you mentioned the 26 cents in July . Just curious what that's to keep that during the second quarter. And you have been above the $0.50 to $0.17 per gallon range for a while now. What would push you or what do you want to see before you increase the long-term outlet there? What would you do before you increase the long-term outlet there?
I'll let Peter take the first part in a second on the long-term outlook I think.
You know, on the long-term outlook, I think, you know that...
This company has been around a long time and we've made a lot of changes but because CPG is such a driver I want to continue to set up from a long-term perspective set a conservative expectation while we continue to build the basic foundation of the company. And so within that I think what you may have noticed this is the first time we've really spoken about an outlook using the word outlook and then expressing and explaining what we expect for the back half of this year.
I think we're going to continue to do that. So while we may speak in terms of a long-term guidance expectation for fuel CPG, I think we will supplement that and complement that with more short and maybe midterm, at least short-term changes to that long-term perspective. And so I still want to get further along and building the foundation of this business, which again, we've gone from low hundreds of millions in EBITDA. This is the toll story to in excess of 200 million to now trailing 12 right around 300 million.
CPG expands early part of the quarter, you know, low to mid-20s in June spiked up into the high 20s, low 30s for a period of time. And that in June is when we saw a little bit of the softness that you see in the second quarter on volume. So we saw that relation between spiking of CPG in June and a little bit of volume loss in that month, but that gives you a sense of what happened that the quarter is mainly backloaded.
Got it. And then, you know, just on the diesel volumes, it went down a little bit year over year. Obviously, it was a tough comp, but with the macro environment maybe slowing and, you know, perhaps trucking demand being impacted, how are you thinking about that moving forward?
you know i still i i talked to you are my peers at some of our biggest customers you know i've spoken to a couple just the last you know couple of weeks let's say and we stay through our fleet team stay very close with with our biggest fleet customers and you know the bigger fleets in particular there's remains a level of persistent uh... you know tempered but persistent optimism again tempered um... and you know if you the farther out you look the fog you're the crystal ball becomes but at least for this
You know, as we finish up, you look to finish up this year, that there still is a level of, I would say, tempered optimism about activity levels and freight activity. On the bigger fleets, the smaller fleets, the spot, you know, spot business is softened a little bit. And I think that's going to continue. That's what I hear from our biggest customers both directly as well as through our fleet team. And so that's how I'm thinking about the rest of this year. As we get in next year.
It will be a whole new set of challenges and variables just like from our first few months here where COVID hit and then sort of phase two of COVID with supply chain and all this other stuff. We're going to continue to see storms of all kinds coming and going like we've seen and we fought our way through it and we've had two and a half years of great success and I think that will persist.
And then maybe just one last one, Jonathan, you mentioned earlier that the substantial cash flows in the company is clearly on stronger financial footing. Is it dividend something that you'd consider at some point or any other foreign capital return? You know, I wouldn't single out any one opportunity for capital allocation, but we talk actively about capital allocation very actively and our balance sheet. And in the context of acquisitions and some of these transformational initiatives,
as well as things like dividends and whether or, you know, one time dividend, eventually maybe sometime down the line of recurring dividend, you know, all of those things are part of our dialogue. I don't want to say anything more specific as to what we might do in terms of a capital allocation because I want to make sure we give all of these things their sort of due consideration. And it'd be premature to say anything more specific to this point.
Thanks for the call. Thank you. Appreciate it, Ari. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Perchick for any closing remarks.
Again, thank you for your interest in TA and your attention this morning. We are excited to host analysts and institutional investors at our investor day at the NASDAQ in New York City and others via webcast on Tuesday afternoon September 20th. And others via webcast on Tuesday afternoon September 20th.
Invitations and details will be available soon.
Everybody have a great day. Thanks again. Bye-bye.
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. Thank you.
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