Q2 2022 Capstone Copper Corp Earnings Call
Good morning everyone, thank you for standing by. I would like to welcome you all to the Capstone Copper Q2 2022 Results Conference call.
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I'd like to remind everybody that today's call is being recorded. And I would now like to turn it over to Mr. Gerald Emmett, Senior Vice President of Strategy and Capital Markets. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning.
I'd like to welcome everyone to Capstone Copper's Q222.
Conference call.
Please note that the news release and regulatory filings announcing CAPSOME COPPERS 2022 Second Quarter Financial and operational results are available on our website and on Cedar.
If you are logged into the webcast, we will advance the slides of today's presentation, which is also available in the investors section of our website. I'm joined today by our CEO John McKenzie, our President and COO Castle Mar, our Chief Financial Officer Raman Randhawa, and our Senior Vice President Risk ESG and General Counsel Wendy King.
Following our brief remarks, there will be an opportunity for questions. Please note that comments made on the call today will contain forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. This information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties, and the actual results may differ materially from the view expressed today. For further information on the risks and uncertainties pertaining to our business, please see Capstone's most recent filings, which are available on our website and on our website.
Q2 was a more challenging period for copper miners, with inflationary pressures felt across the industry and a sharp decline in copper prices.
together with concerns about global economic growth.
Despite this backdrop, Capstone Copper is well positioned to deliver on our strategy with stable operations, a strong balance sheet and good liquidity as we near completion of the ramp-up of Munters Blancos and the delivery of our transformational Munter Verde development project.
Our growth pipeline, driven by primitive projects and brownfield expansions, is unique.
It lines up well with low-buss medium and long-term fundamentals for copper, fueled by both supply side constraints and growing demand from the energy transition towards carbon neutrality. Forbye.
Moving to slide five.
We produced just over 45,000 tonnes of copper at a C1 cash cost of $2.78 per pound in the second quarter.
Q2 represents our first full quarter of operating results as Capstone Copper, following the combination of the Francis Copper, which closed towards the end of Q1.
Our operating costs is quarter, we're primarily impacted by elevated input costs, particularly so furry castles in our capital business.
and seasonal lower throughput happens of value.
We've already started to see signs that key input prices are trending lower.
and with the Munsis-Blunkers continued ramp-up progressing well, we expect improved operating performance in the second half of the year.
As such, we reiterate the nine-month production and cost guidance that we provided in May.
We also took proactive measures during the quarter to further protect our oxide business, which currently has higher costs due to the elevated sulfuric acid prices.
As a result, 100% of our capital production in H2 2022 is now hedged at a weighted average price of approximately $3.70 per pound.
On the right-hand side of the slide, it gives me great pleasure to highlight our 2021 sustainability reports.
showing our firm commitment to excellence in ESG and to maintaining the trust of our stakeholders, including employees, investors, communities, and the governments where we operate.
and I'd encourage you to read our reports at your leisure.
On slide six.
We illustrate our 2022 operating cost drivers and cash cost sensitivities to key input costs.
In particular, our near-term exposure to sulfuric acid.
This exposure will decline as we transition our Chilean operations to the higher grade, higher margin, self-ides in the coming years.
You may recall our nine-month guidance issued back in May assumed sulfuric acid prices of $280 per tonne.
And as you can see on the right-hand side of the page.
A 10% change in pricing drives around a 17 cents per pound change in our cap owed cash costs.
In recent weeks, we've seen sulfuric acid quotes for Q4 delivery, trained in the lower $200 range, with similar downward trends, in freight rates, diesel prices, and also a week, trillion-pays a week, a trillion-payser.
Turning to slide 7.
Joey Illustrate, our key catalyst over the next 24 months.
I'd like to emphasise that our primary focus is on the finalisation of the Mancest Blunkest ramp up during this quarter and the completion of the Monteverdi Development Project.
which I'm pleased to report remains on time and on budget.
We're also advancing the studies to develop an optimised plan for the integration of the Monteverde Sons of the Mingar Districts.
We have implemented a highly disciplined approach to the evaluation and development of our future growth pipeline.
Thanks to these projects, will be subject to completion of technical studies.
compelling economics
balance sheet string
and an assessment of the broader macro environments.
Following a detailed review, approximately six months more time is needed to study and engineer those key areas where we expect to surface incredible value by linking months of ed in San Sudamingo.
We now expect to deliver the updated Sunset Amingo Feasibility Study that will include our district integration plan in H2 of 2023.
The feasibility study for the Sun-Sudamingo copper oxides in H1 is 2024.
and the Monterey and Santerdomingo Cobalt's feasibility also in the first half of 2024.
We're excited about releasing our Monteverde, Santo Domingo District Integration Plan in November , which will be a first look at how we intend to create a world-class copper, iron and cobalt mining district in the Atacama region of Chile that will be anchored by two large-scale, low-cost mines at Monteverde and Santo Domingo.
As you can see, we also have a great pipeline of high quality brownfields projects that have the potential for high returns and further driving down our unit costs.
Now I'll pass over to Brumman for our financial results.
Thank you, John .
We are now in slide 8. Our Q2 financial results were highlighted by a strong, adjusted ebut of approximately 115 million.
As John alluded to earlier, the sharp decline in copper prices led to negative provisional pricing adjustments that have impacted earnings across many of our base metal peers.
For us, adjusted earnings per share was impacted by 58 million in provisional pricing losses.
which resulted in significantly lower realized copper price of 366lb compared to the LME average of 431lb.
At Capstone, we have taken swift action avoid future exposures, sudden drops in copper price.
We are in the process of implementing a strategy to reduce our provisional pricing exposure with a target of achieving LME average price for copper production.
Turning to slide 9.
Slide 9 summarizes our balance sheet strength. Highlighted by a non-recourse project debt, which advertises over nine to 12 years, following completion of the Mantelverted Development Project.
And the added flexibility of our recently expanded revolving credit facility from $225,000,000 to $500,000,000,000.
Our corporate revolving credit facility has been upsized to match Capson copper size and the low cost capital and conditions provide for greater financial flexibility.
Subsequent to quarter end, we actually optimized the balance sheet. We repaid the higher cost Glencore debt facility with proceeds from the expanded revolver. Our pro forma debt of $442 million remains unchanged from June 30th, and we had minimal net debt of only $92 million.
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We are now in Slide 10.
which shows our new expanded liquidity of approximately $720 million, which includes $350 million of cash and short-term investments as that to the end-run portion of our recently amended revolving credit facility of $368 million.
Further financial flexibility exists with 100 million accordion, as I mentioned, and our $60 million cost overrun facility with our partner Mitsubishi Materials Corp.
Our financial strength coupled with our EBITDA generation potential shown on the right-hand side here illustrates our ability to fund our next phase of growth.
Mantle verdict truly is or future flagship asset which doubles or even a
On slide 11, we re-highlight the fact that the Manto Verde Development Project is fully funded, which as John mentioned earlier remains on track and on budget.
Between Mitsubishi Materials Corp, equity contribution of $275 million and the non-recourse facility of $520 million, that covers $825 million of capital. As of June 30th, we had drawn $320 million on the project debt facility, and construction is advancing well with just over 50% of the initial cap-backs accrued at the end of the quarter.
And Casual would provide some additional color with respect to our progress today.
We are now in Slide 12.
As Sean mentioned, we have reiterated our nine month production and cost guidance.
But in light of the dropping copper price as we consciously reduced our capital guidance by $40 million.
Driven by the following, 25 million related to the Mantelverted Development Project, which is timing related, shift from 2022 to 2023.
15 million are reduced spending a Samuel Domingo primary primarily related to scope of work changes regarding the C-17 bypass and deferral of Cobalt study into 2023.
and a $10 million reduction in sustaining cap-backs at Pinot Valley.
With a majority of expansion-related capex spent by the end of 2022, particularly at Manto Verde, 2022 represents a meaningful lower capex year on an annualized basis.
With the respect to Mental Verde development project, we plan on spending approximately 230 million in the second half of this year and the balance of 175 million in 2023.
Now, hand it over to Casho.
Thanks, Robin. We're now on the slide 13. I'm pleased that Mantiverty operation continues to deliver strong results. The delivery is still in place. Thank you.
The SXCW cap of business, asset consumption is lower than expected for the quarter, due to lower asset consuming minerals in the orn. This resulted in stronger copper production and lower cost, despite the impact of record high asset prices.
C1 cash costs at Mento Verde came in at 30 cents per pound lower than we expected.
A few weeks ago I was at Mantiverty and was very happy with the momentum I saw for MVDP project. At the end of July we achieved overall project progress around just over 60% and construction progress of 25%. We're on track and on budget for completion in late 23. We're on track and on budget for completion in late 23.
The line is transitioning well to accommodate the required increased material movement for the completion of the MVBP project. Line bench is of transitioning from 10 meters to 15 meter height. The first of the 3PNH 4100XP shovels is ready for energization and commissioning slated for mid-August.
Slide 14.
You'll see more photos showing the vertical landscape at Mantoverde is changing very quickly. The overall project remains on budget and scheduled with key milestones being achieved in the foundations.
of the crushing.
grinding, coarse ore reclaim tunnel, and flotation circuit approaching completion.
The truck shop and Thickner Earthworks are near completion and construction of the tailing storage facility is well underway.
Power EPC contractor.
has indicated they are making steady progress and the nature of this contract fixes close to two-thirds of the overall capital cost of $825 million.
It's important to note that all critical equipment has been either delivered or on its way to site. Purchased materials and equipment are being received at site in anticipation of steel erection and equipment installation.
Now on slide 15.
The opportunity presented to us given the proximity of the two-war volumes is truly unique. I often refer to it as a symbiotic beneficial relationship, or one asset truly unlocks the potential of the other.
The map on the slide reveals how our integration thinking is evolving.
We can see how San Diego benefits from the desalination plant and the pipeline that exists at Monteverde. San Diego benefits from the desalination plant and the desalination plant and the desalination plant
the opportunity to expand the current desal plant for Santa Domingo.
and the sufficient capacity in the current Mantoverde pipeline are truly cost savers. We are also working on the possible synergies like the utilization of electrical infrastructure, using right-of-ways of pipeline routes, and leveraging the existing workforce at Mantoverde to share and de-risk Santa Domingo. We are considering the benefits of locating the cobalt plant at Mantoverde instead of Santa Domingo, which improves logistics for by-product sulfuric acid.
Given mental birdie will likely be the biggest customer for that asset.
A twin pipeline to and from Mantoverde to unlock Sanadomingo oxide potential is also shown on the map.
Mantoverde's cathode plant is underutilized and this provides a low cost entry point to increase copper production from Santa Domingo.
We will be providing granularity in Q4 on each of these concepts with the release of our district integration plan. A true world class district play is clearly being developed and trade-offs are being evaluated under the current value engineering exercises.
Now on slide 16.
Pinto Valley produced 13.3 kilotons in a quarter impacted by a seasonal planned maintenance period and also saw some unplanned interruptions to our process facility.
Cash costs of $2.82 per pound compared to our nine-month guidance of $2.45 to $2.60 per pound were higher due to the higher costs associated with the shutdown and the lower production.
We expect to be within guidance for the year at Penta Valley as we forecast that grades will increase over the second half of this year and lower costs are expected as a result.
We are also seeing some relief in specific cost items such as fuel and lower freight charges for our content rates.
As for PV4, engineering and metallurgical work is progressing well for the PFS to be delivered in age 2020-23. province. 2023.
Now, on slide 17, our operations in Mexico achieve good grades and throughput yielding solid production results.
We are experiencing some inflationary pressures in consumables like steel, diesel, and explosives.
The Paystil and Drystack tailings project continue to make good progress and will facilitate the mine's planned long-term sustainability.
Project completion is expected in the fourth quarter. It is clear in the slide that the steel erection and equipment installation is advancing well with just under nine million spent during Q2. Project spending today is around 60% of the $55 million total. The $55 million total.
In terms of exploration drilling continues to delineate and expand the Melanochet West of Trail navigational Elias the D
supporting the overall prospectivity of the asset, which will feed into an updated resource estimate next year.
Now on slide 18.
Along with predictable mine performance and strong cathode production, the MANTOS blank list operation is on track to complete its ramp up in Q3.
Taking the average mill throughput from 11,000 tons per day to 20,000 tons per day. During the quarter, we took some downtime to address some process bottlenecks identified in our ramp up. As of now, the operation is close to sustaining its design metrics, including recovery rates at target levels.
We are confident that the completion of ramp-up is imminent and look forward to predictable high-margin results driven by high-grade copper sulfide production.
Based on this, we reiterate our nine-month guide, that we issued in May.
Now over to Wendy King for the sustainability review.
Thank you, Casual. We are now on slide 19.
We are pleased to announce the addition of the MANTOS Copper 2020 and 2021 Sustainability Report published on our website and prepared following the GRI standards.
We are continuously improving our ESG disclosure and our combined Capstone Copper 2022 Sustainability Report will include more TCFD disclosures along with the current GRI and SASB disclosures.
We are committed to taking action on climate change by reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.
We undertook a comprehensive review of the carbon footprint of our operations to establish the baseline for capstone copper. In the latter part of this year, we will be setting science-based reduction targets and develop decarbonization pathways in line with the Paris Climate Agreement.
Social programs continued in Chile, which were aimed at supporting youth development in the Antifagasta region, with training and leadership programs, in partnership with local foundations, the Chilean economic development agency, and the Municipality of Antifagasta.
In addition, we continue to work with the local fishing industry in the Antakamma region through several economic development projects, which included our participation in implementing a marine environmental monitoring plan.
Finally, Mantos Blankos and Mantos Verde will formally commence Copper Mark Participation in Q3 2022. And we look forward to sharing more on this initiative soon.
Now I'll hand the call back to John .
Thank you.
Moving to slide 20.
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The development of the world-class Montevere, the Montevere Integrated District,
is expected to drive company-wide consolidated C1 costs to approximately $1.50 per pound.
Finally, on slide 21.
With our nine month production and cost guidance reiterated, we expect to produce around 185,000 tons of copper over 12 months in 2022. Need to pay for this section.
We remain focused on the execution of our near-term growth profile, growing copper production by 45%, to over 250,000 tonnes by 2024, with the completion of the Montaverde development project, which remains on time and on budget.
Following this, we have a fully permitted transformational project with a textability agreement in place to advance a tons of the mingo.
ahead of the green light decision for this.
We have engineered in synergies with Monteverde and will immobilize our mind build team to execute on this next leg of growth.
The timing for a Sunset of Mingo construction decision will be during the first half of 2024. The Sunset of Mingo construction will be during the first half of 2024.
And with that, we're ready to take questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session.
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Your first question will come from Orist Wokada of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Nice to see this all progress at Mano Verde. My question really revolves around how you're thinking about Mano Verde with respect to Sano Domingo. And by that I mean with Mano Verde project expected to be finished by the end of next year.
Should we anticipate that you intend to move right to the development of a Sano Domingo, or could we actually see a pause if the copper price environment is still kind of call it relatively weak? Kind of call it relatively weak.
Well, thank you very much for that question. This is John McKenzie here. I'm going to pass you across to Castle for a more detailed response on this. But what I would just initially say that clearly we're in the process of doing the numerous technical studies of areas elements of the Funciddingo project. We're looking at obviously the co-op rock sides, the cobalt, the cobalt.
And I think the logic step, the timing of a decision on the mingle is going to be related to the successful completion of each of the technical studies.
Clearly we will also take a look at where we are with the month of Adiramp up the macroeconomic situation of the time and our balance sheet strength in terms of
make the coming to a decision on that time.
I think I'd like to ask Castle to give us a bit further detail on that point.
Sure, thanks, John . And of course, I agree with everything you've outlined. And certainly the macroeconomics, our financing capability will trump all decision processes. So what we have underway is a value engineering exercise whereby, uh, we're by, uh, we're by, uh, we're by, uh,
We're looking at various modifications, minor modifications to the flow sheet.
to the grinding technology and various components to ensure that we're coming with an optimal
process. And so we're taking advantage of this sort of hiatus and at the same time obviously outlining improving and optimizing the value engineering. the meals.
So you can see that we'll sort of have the iron copper circuit walk down in H1 of 2024 with a feasibility study. After that, with the fully permitted, the DL600 end, we could make a decision. So that's what we're targeting towards at the moment is to put ourselves in that position to make that decision. But the overall macro environment will allow us to speak to it more fully when we get to that point. And then post that, also we...
in age one, 2024 to begin looking at production by the end of 2024. We don't necessarily have to take that choice, but at least we'll have the option to do it. Hope that answers your question or ask.
Thanks, Casual. So just so I'm clear you plan on completing all the studies first like the cobalt study the oxide everything and then Reassess on the macro is that fair?
I think what we plan on doing is completing the iron copper first. We don't need the cobalt or the oxide necessarily before we would start construction. But it would be nice to know what their contribution would be to the overall robustness of the project and the project returns.
So, you know, we don't necessarily have to have the cobalt done, but it looks, you know, it's only six months after that we'll have the oxide and the cobalt more or less in a position. So you know yourself, six months is a blink of an eye. So we'll likely have what those results are or we'll know what they're trending towards one way or the other. Okay.
Okay, and if the copper price environment is weak for whatever reason.
then could we anticipate the demobilization? I guess of the current construction crew and the pause until things improve before you start Sano Domingo.
Really, right now at Santa Domingo, there's very little going on. John sort of mentioned we're sort of winding down the C-17 bypass construction. So most of the concentrated effort on Santa Domingo is actually desktop.
oxide evaluation, cobalt flow sheet optimization.
But there is some on-site work that would be required to help delineate the oxide. So really, there isn't a whole lot happening. Most of what we're doing to move the project forward is on feasibility work and some metallurgical testing and flow sheet design. And some metallurgical testing and flow sheet design.
Yes, sir, I mean the demobilization at Medo Verde.
Thank you.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead, John . Yeah, I can just maybe comment on that. Look, in an ideal world, we would move the construction team.
We're not short of work for them to do if we need to have a six month pause or something for them to work on other studies in the interim.
I would bet it's not just simply being a question of where is the cost of price of the car market there is.
Also an opportunity in Auschwitz.
You'll be aware we were able to pass in the month of added project to the point when the station rates were low. The station rates were low.
and I think we've been able to get very favorable costs on Masa Vada. Clearly that's something we would speak to you if you slow down with Santa Domingo as well as looking forward. I think we've taken sort of some judgment calls as to what the optimal timing will be for a Santa Domingo development and that'll include kind of multiple parameters, sort of one of which is obviously...
shifting across our build team to Sunsadamingo, but others will be looking at global lead times for equipment where costumes are sitting at that point in time for the various elements of the project. This is the plan. Let's go back to the project. Let's go back to the project. Let's go back to the project.
Okay, perfect. Thank you. Appreciate the color there. And just a real quick one, if I could for ramen on the depreciation amortization. Big jump up this quarter, obviously with the full quarter of new assets. Is the 52 million we saw this quarter? Is that a good run right now for the combined company or call it 200 million a year? Is that a good number to continue with?
Yeah Ursa, I think that's a good number because I mean we're at 22 before that and now with Verde and Blanco's coming on it's kind of over their reserve life so that's fine and then obviously it'll jump up post-MVDT but that's 2024 we're talking about.
Okay, thank you.
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Your next question will come from Dalton, Burrito of Canacord. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning, John and team. My question relates to the DL600 and Santa Domingo. I'm just wondering what the natural limits are and how you're thinking about that as you do the Manchoverty Integration Study and whether you can ring fence any of these synergies that you're talking about under the DL600. Thank you.
Thanks, Dalton, and that's a great question. I'll ask Raman to comment a little bit further on this as well. But we've got a team that's working on all of these synergies, all of these sub-elements of the sort of Monteverde, Santo Domingo district. And one of those teams is focused exclusively on the exact question that you have asked is how do we sort of best optimise the usage of that DL600.
And how do we make sure that we achieve the sort of best overall results for the business with that as one of the input parameters into how we consider this.
So it's certainly in our mind to look at, and it is, we're obviously looking at, so when we consider each element of the integrated operation.
we are taking into account kind of how one would also best utilize that DL600 in that context.
Roman, is anything you would add to that?
So I think that was most of your own. I mean...
Dalton, I mean it pertains to San Odomingo, the ore body there, and the San Odomingo kind of grounds, so I mean the more we can optimize San Odomingo in terms of processing facilities or other items, cobalt, SxW or whatever else we need, the more you want kind of profit up there and lots of profit downstream I guess, down the road.
Thanks. Thanks. The only reason I asked the question is, you know, one of your slides that it looks like you're moving a lot of the infrastructure to Manchuverding.
But maybe as a follow-up since we're on the topic, John , I'd love to get your thoughts on the proposed Chilean fiscal regime, how you see that unfolding and how that compares to the last time you did this with Anglo.
Yeah, and as you know, I've been through this process before 2010, in order to a very similar context of the government seeking to increase the world's rights. I start off by saying that Chile's got an enviable track record of sensible economic policies that encourage investment into the mining sector. And the reason for this is that it's really a round-back process. Is there going to be a thorough?
and a robust set of processes that includes debate and discussion, and that bring in inputs from both all sides of the political spectrum.
That said, I would say the current proposal that's being debated by the Senate at the moment, I think will undoubtedly have a long-term negative impact into the future mining investments in Chile. And that's really because it doesn't take into account sort of cost inflation, that doesn't take into account the fact that many of the all bodies that are going to be developed in the future in Chile have lower grades and higher costs. Because the royalty proposal is essentially entirely based on copper prices.
As you've pointed out, we do have this DL600 in place, which gives us 15 years at Suntsadamingo with no changes to the current tax or royalty regime. And that's obviously sort of an important protection for ourselves. And that's obviously sort of an important protection for ourselves.
But nevertheless, we are sort of engaging with decision makers in Chile. I would say that today we're encouraged by the sort of receptiveness that they've shown to our concerns around the current proposal.
And I think overall, you know, the world absolutely needs a lot more copper. I think sort of everybody is sort of the scene, the forecasts for what's going to be required with electrification and renewable energy going forward. And I think there's very much common cause in Chile that they would like to see a large part of that future copper supply coming from Chile. And so I do think there is alignment in ensuring that over the long term.
large of the current proposal.
changes that would ensure chilly maintained its competitiveness with other copper producing nations.
Great, thank you. And maybe I can just squeeze one last one. And are you able to comment on what Chile and Peso exchange rate of Sanco assumed and how much breathing room they have at current levels?
Yeah, well, what?
Well, I think for them it's favourable. You'll remember for us we...
We hedged all of the sort of pay-so portion of our exposure in the project. So, Async was quoted to us part of the project and PESAs and part of the project in US dollars. We obviously did not want to have any currency exposure given that our financing was being raised in US dollars. So, we had hedged out all of the exposure.
I don't know what underlying assumptions or Senko actually had. I do know that at the time that we were doing the...
sort of negotiations with them. I think the rate was in the region of around 725 or so. And today it sort of sits around 900. So I think from their point of view, it's a fairly favorable kind of move. But again, we don't have sort of full insight into quite how their sort of currency management takes place.
That's great, that's all for me guys, thank you.
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Your next question will come from Ralph Proffitti of 8th Capital?
Hi there, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions.
John , you sounded...
pretty confident that
with respect to the integrated district plan and as mental variant central demigal become more integrated that the permitting process for a more encompassing operation. the
is already sort of covered in the current body of work, right? And I'm just wondering what is the risk of a more, a river renewed or perhaps a more difficult and detailed process of being something that we could be looking at. I'm just wondering what is the risk of being something that we could be looking at.
Yeah, thanks, Ralph. And that's a good question.
Look at the moments obviously Monteverde is
sort of fully permitted in construction. And the existing...
Feasibility that we have for some to the mango is also fully permitted.
So to an extent, we are taking
that into account when we look at the synergies and the opportunities and the changes. And we are assessing for each one of those changes, what would those imply in terms of permitting? And you know, and truly there, there are various different sort of levels of permitting. There's what's called a pertinentia, which is basically a notification. There's a DIA, which is a relatively short and quick environmental permitting process. And then there's an EIA, which is...
much more detailed permitting process. We look at each of these changes with a view to what level of permitting change would be required.
I think, look at this stage, most of the sort of immediate synergies in terms of just using current infrastructure and using the sort of...
existing project plans for Montevade and Sanzo Domingo. We don't believe there's really any sort of material changes to the permitting requirements of that.
Clearly when one starts adding this sort of elements that Castle mentioned earlier, which are sort of the processing of the oxides.
that is likely to have an additional permitting requirement.
and similarly the processing of cobalt will have additional permitting requirements.
I think sort of going to a sort of previous question, it is possible to totally disconnect these projects. We can develop under the current permitting regime, the existing sorts of the Mingo project utilizing infrastructure synergies.
and basically bring in the oxides and the cobalt as the permitting processes for each of those two projects are complete.
We don't believe that any of those projects really fundamentally impact in any way differently to the current project footprint. So I think our expectation is that whilst we will need to go through certain permitting processes, we don't really foresee those being either complex or particularly time consuming.
Okay, yeah, that's great.
As a follow-up, I was just sort of tracking Pinto Valley and their position on the all-in sustaining curve and just wondering if we can expect a strong finish on grades similar to what we saw in 2021. We're already seeing some cost relief and you've deferred some of that sustaining cap backs and lowered it. Just wondering if a strong finish on grades also helps us get us back into that cash cost guidance for 2022.
Thanks very much. Yeah, thanks Ralph, another great question. I'm gonna pass that one across to Castle to give a more detailed answer.
Yeah, there's strengthening grades. Not quite as, we're not forecasting it quite as strong as what happened in 21, but there's certainly strengthening of grades in the second half of this year. In the second half of this year.
So that will help obviously the bottom line in getting the cost per pound down as well.
inflationary pressures coming off and some local cost initiatives being undertaken at the mine.
Okay, great to hear. Thanks, John . Thanks, Cashel.
Your next question comes from Bendic Nightingest of Clarkson's. Please go ahead.
Thank you, good morning guys and thanks for taking my questions. Just want to touch on industry consolidation as you're obviously right in the middle of that with the merger. So it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on industry consolidation in general and also your specific role going forward. You previously been talking about.
consolidation around the Pinto Valley area. Any color on that or other potential opportunities would be appreciated.
Yeah, thanks for that. And certainly I'm going to be asking casual to talk a bit more just on the sort of Pinter Valley district consolidation a bit further. But we absolutely see ourselves as a consolidated. I think the combination of mentors and capstone, I think have created a company that's sort of in a rare position in the industry in terms of scale. And I think probably a unique position in terms of growth prospects.
And we absolutely have sort of opportunities to continue to expand each of these districts where we're operating. And I think clearly we've spoken a lot about Montevary, distance and the Mingo. We continue to see opportunity there for that to grow as a world class mining district. And I think you're aware of the sort of ideas we have around copper cities. But I'd like Castle just to come a little bit more about our thinking.
we haven't really spoken as much about that sort of district consolidation in Arizona, but I think we're extraordinarily well positioned there as well. So, Castle across to you.
Sure, yeah, I mean it offers sort of...
sort of similar
benefits as does the mental early center of the mango wherever you can leverage current infrastructure and I would say more importantly a talent. And that's one of the thirsts in our industry now is being able to get people that have the training.
and have the experience and certainly a project construction. But with respect to Pinto Valley itself.
I mean, the mine's been operating for a number of decades and there are some existing resources around there. Consolidation of free port and BHP's on the table. In fact, we have an exploration agreement with BHP now where we're evaluating the content of the resource and working with them on an evaluation of what a mining district might be and having Pinto Valley there offers us a unique opportunity.
to consolidate that district with having the workforce the permits currently there and certainly a knowledge of the area. So we see copper cities as potentially a mirror image to the Pinto Valley operation and we're working away on what might be some of the synergies between the two to bring the cost down, the operating cost down at Pinto Valley and then to take advantage of that resource.
weekly with BHP and we sit on a technical committee also with Freeport in the area. And so we're busy working on those things and we're really hopeful for the next step.
several quarters that will be able to bring more more news about it.
Okay, thank you guys. That's great color. Explanation.
There are no further questions. At this time, I will turn the conference back to Mr. McKenzie for closing remarks.
Well, thank you everybody for joining us today. We will be announcing the date for the release of our Q3 results in October . And until then, please feel free to reach out to either Gerald or Katina if you have any further questions.
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