Q2 2022 Renasant Corp Earnings Call
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Good morning and thank you for joining us for Renaissance Corporation's 2022 second quarter webcast and conference call. Participating in this call today are members of Renaissance Executive Management team. Before we begin, please note that many of our comments during this call will be forward looking statements, which involve risk and uncertainty. There are many factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward looking statements.
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We appreciate you joining the call today. Before Kevin and Jim discuss the results for the second quarter, I will offer observations on the first half and the remainder of 2022. Starting with loan growth, the first half has brought solid increases throughout the bank. We anticipate additional growth, but likely at a more moderate pace for the violence of the year. The focus on expense control.
Plus, the benefit of higher rates has benefited profitability and we anticipate further improvement in the second half of 2022. Importantly, the balance sheet continues to reflect good liquidity, asset quality, and capital levels. We remain focused on core deposits as our primary funding source and this has contributed to our first half success. I will now turn the call over to Kevin.
that additional income to flow to the bottom line. Our capital markets, treasury solutions, and other specially lending lines of business produce positive results for the quarter. Our mortgage division was stood another quarter of volatility as the industry abruptly returns to a more normal operating environment. Despite the headwinds affecting volumes and margins in the industry, our mortgage team remained profitable for the quarter. Our continued focus on expense discipline resulted in a slight increase in expenses with exclusions.
We are subject to the same inflationary pressures on expenses, particularly in wages. Despite these pressures, we remain committed to continue to expense discipline in future coders. Despite these pressures, we remain committed to continue to expense discipline in future coders.
Although there may be an increase in the third quarter due to the full realization of our minimum wage increase, we still anticipate total non-interest expense for the full year of 22 to be less than 21. With the revenue lift and expense discipline, we are seeing real operating leverage in our efficiency ratio. Our adjusted efficiency ratio, which reflects our run rate, excluding non-recurring items, declined to 62%, a decrease of approximately five percentage points on the link quarter basis.
I will now turn the call over to Jim. Thank you, Kevin. As we walk through the quarter's results, I will reference slides from the earnings deck.
We continue to invest some of our excess liquidity into higher earning assets.
Lung growth was strong again in the second quarter, with total loans increasing $290 million from Q1. Both production and advances on existing lines increase quarter over quarter, and driving net lung growth in nearly all categories.
We also invested excess cash in our security portfolio.
increasing the portfolio just over $200 million from the previous quarter. Rising interest rates had a negative impact on the value of our portfolio, resulting in a fair market value adjustment of $76 million. All of our regulatory capital ratios are in excess of required minimums to be considered well capitalized and show the strength of our capital position. We record a credit provision of $2 million and net charge-offs of $2.3 million.
The ACL as a percentage of total loans declined from 1.61% to 1.57%.
We recorded a provision for unfunded commitments of $450,000, which is reflected in other non-interest expense. Credit quality metrics are shown on pages 14 through 16. Past dues, criticized and non-performing asset measures all remained relatively steady, and net charge-offs were nominal. That interest income increased $13.9 million quarter over quarter.
Our core margin, which excludes purchase accounting accretion, income recognized in triple P loans, and interest recoveries, was up 29 basis points from Q1. We mentioned last quarter that our balance sheet was well positioned to take advantage of the rising rate environment. We deployed some of our excess liquidity into higher-earning assets, and we remained disciplined in our deposit pricing efforts, which, together with the Fed's rate increases, drove the meaningful expansion of the margin quarter over quarter.
As expected, income from our mortgage division declined from Q1 from a combination of higher rates and lower volumes. But solid results in our wealth management and insurance divisions, as well as growth in our SBA, capital markets, and treasury solution lines of business help offset the impact for mortgage. Non-interest expenses with exclusions were up approximately $2.2 million for the quarter. Toys and benefits increased $3.39 million.
resulting from our annual merit increases going into effect in April , as well as raising our minimum wage for non-exempt employees. Our discipline is evidenced in a decrease in all other non-interest expense line items. I will now turn the call back over to Mitch. Thank you, Jim. I am proud of our employees and the contributions they make every day. We seek to provide exceptional customer service and go to market as one team and one bank.
I look forward to the second half of the year. I will now turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.
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Our first question comes from Will Jones with KBW. Please go ahead. It is a cramp made out of lead.
Great, good morning guys.
Good morning, Will.
Hey, so just wanted to start on deposit costs. You know, it was really impressive to see you guys reduce funding costs quarter over quarter just in light of this rate backdrop. Just wanted to gauge, you know, how you guys are thinking about deposit betas as we move into, you know, the next quarter and just the back half of 2022. You know, I know in the likely event we may get CP rate hikes this afternoon. Just curious if you have any levers still on the deposit side to, you know, keep the betas more contained through this cycle. Thanks.
Good morning, well, this is Jim Mayberry. And I guess what I'd start as a race deposits is a couple of things. We sort of made deposits a real focus here. And as you know, we've taken nine just bearing deposits up about 10 percentage points over the last three or four years. And so we've really worked in the mix and attracting and building a good core funding base. And I think that was that was evident in the quarter.
The other thing I'd say about a deposit basis is very granular. On the consumer side, the average deposit account is less than $20,000.
So I think the mix as well as the granularity of the deposits is going to help us. And again, we saw that in Q2. I don't think that's repeatable in Q3. You know, I think, you know, we went into this environment with probably a little longer duration than some and on our deposit funding. And so we had some more room to come down. And that's why you saw it come down a touch in Q2. But I think as we look at Q3 and 4, I don't think we're going to repeat that trend.
in the second half of the year, but how much more runway do you feel like you have to grow that more of its portfolio? in the second half of the year, but how much more of its portfolio?
Well, maybe a good place to start with that thought and as I referenced in remarks, we could see that moderation, but I would begin here just looking at our pipeline, we're starting this quarter with at 297 million, that compares to 290 the quarter before. So actually, we've seen a little increase in our pipeline.
And of course, last quarter that resulted in production of 877 million, which was above the prior quarter at 863 on a core basis if you adjust for Southeast commercial that came in in the first quarter. And just thinking about going forward and thinking about the current pipeline, our current pipeline is also reflective of the geographic.
distribution of where we saw that production in the prior quarter. And we see all of our regions.
and our various business lines contributing. And just back to your question, also the granularity, you mentioned real estate one to four. If I take that production, I did this last quarter, and I think this speaks to the strength or our ability to continue to produce. About 27% of production this quarter was in the what I would call consumer non-real estate, key locks, one to four.
stockypied, commercial, real estate type credits. And then the other 26% from our corporate banking activities and our, especially the lending groups. I see an I commercial, real estate, ABL equipment finance, senior housing, SBA. And I commercial, real estate, ABL equipment finance, senior housing, SBA.
So you can see we're hitting on a lot of different cylinders and we've seen that consistently, consistent sea over time. Certainly we've send it in the last two quarters. We've had moderation of payoffs.
And we expect that to continue. So we feel good about our ability to continue to produce net growth in the coming quarter. It's hard to predict that moderation in the face, maybe of some of the economic headwinds, but certainly I think our ability speaks to the markets that we do business in, the resiliency that we're seeing, and to the talent in the company.
All right, great. And just a lot for me, maybe more household. I noticed that accruable yield ticked up a little bit quarter over quarter, as well as some interest on problem loans. So was there anything one time going on in there that we should just be thinking about, and how should we think about a normalized run rate for accruable yield moving forward?
Yeah, the what you mentioned, well, this is Jim again, was the result of one large payoff. And I think other than that, there was nothing that I would point out that was non-recurring or unusual in interest income for the quarter. And interest income for the quarter.
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Our next question comes from Michael Rose with Raymond James. Please go ahead.funky noise
Hey, good morning guys. I hope all is well. Got on the call a little bit late, but I just wanted to talk about the mortgage business. I'm not surprising that income down a little bit. I think last quarter you talked about the efficiency ratio being in the, I think the high 80s, the kind of low 90s. Obviously again, I'm saying margin, drop this quarter, any color around kind of the efficiency. And then what the outlook is for the businesses.
to specifically answer the question on efficiency. Mortgage efficiency ratio is about 85% in Q2, which is held kind of steady compared to Q1. And honestly, we think it's at that level or it ticks up a little bit as we get in the Q3. As we mentioned, we are still profitable and expect to be profitable. But our mortgage team takes pride in the fact that that we are still profitable.
in the 19, 20 years that they've been involved with our company. Knowing that we've been in mortgage much longer than that, I'm just talking about the current team. They take pride in the fact that they've remained profitable. They understand the ed's and flows and it's just a tough environment right now. We are expecting and projecting to be profitable for Q3 and that...
That includes cost-cutting efforts within mortgage. You mentioned everything on the revenue side, but we have positioned our mortgage company to have a large percentage, a vast large percentage of their expenses to be available and they float with revenue. And so that allows us to...
to project and have confidence about the ability to remain profitable.
But as we look at Q3, we expect volumes to continue to be tight. We expect margins to be tight.
And we'll then kind of see how Q3 plays out to make a forecast about Q4, just given all the volatility that's happening.
Great. Thanks for the color. Maybe just as a separate question, can you just talk about some of the margin dynamics as we think about moving forward? Obviously, some growth in the balance sheet earning asset mix shift, pretty positive, but cash levels down a little bit. Put without is or cannot PLEASE Brussels-ism.
Can you just give us an update on your rate sensitivity? You know from here, thanks.
Morning, this is Jim. I would say, you know, the outlook is positive. If we assume, which obviously is not likely to be the case, but if we assume no further rate hikes, I think we're position to have a nice meaningful expansion in the margin in Q3 and it's some of the things you said it's the mix, I mean, you know, of course, the positive cost of behavior really well in Q2 and why don't you know, I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. Expect it'll be.
quite the same in Q3. I do think because of the strength of our core funding that those costs will behave well, relatively well in Q3 and loan yields you know picked up nicely in Q2. So I think all those things point to a you know a meaningful improvement in the margin in Q3.
Great, thanks for taking my questions.
Thank you, Mark.
Our next question comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
And Good morning everyone.
Good morning, Kevin.
Just
Wanted to touch on credit so
You know, the ACL ratio contracted, you know, pretty modestly to 1.57, and that's still pretty healthy ratio, relative to peers, but you know, you guys have alluded to, it's a pretty uncertain outlook out there. Do you think?
when you think about provisioning and that being tied to loan growth.
Would it be reasonable to expect that ratio to moderate or to migrate down modestly, or do you expect to kind of hold it here until you get a little more?
certainty. Thanks.
Hey, Kevin, this is Dave, great to see you. I think what you said towards the latter part is kind of what we have forecasted over the past few quarters that we'll kind of hold that number steady. We'll see what potential impact may come out of economic changes. We haven't seen anything definitive to this point. Let loan growth continue to use existing provision for loan growth. And so I think your point is we'll kind of hold it flat and see if something changes.
of a flip flop and recent years we saw net interest income driven more by the balance sheet where the margin was hit and now it's kind of the opposite and because of deposits coming in and potential outflow there and use of cash maybe that average earning asset balance stays flat but your margin keeps going up and in turn still have the ability to drive NII higher.
Kevin, this is Jim. I think that's 100% accurate. I mean, it feels like it's more rate-driven and volume-driven and our expectation is that that is that we don't see a meaningful increase in the size of the balance sheet at this point in the near term. So I think that's right. It's gonna be, and that margin is gonna benefit more from rate moves than the size of the balance sheet growing.
Hey, Jim, you know, you pointed to being positioned for pretty meaningful margin expansion in third quarter. Are you able to share with us what, if you have a handy, what your margin was in the month of June ?
Yes, the margin in the month of June on a core basis was 312, Kevin, and that was up from 303 in May. So each month in the second quarter showed nice improvement in the margin.
Okay, and one last one from me. Thanks, Jim.
You know, with some large murders.
having occurred or in process of occurring and in your footprint generally, I know there's a real focus on efficiency, but you guys have also had a strategy in recent years of looking for new hires. Is that something that...
is active or is that something more kind of
not very active given the focus on keeping costs stable.
Thanks.
Kevin, good question. And that's something we consistently focus on just continuing to, as we continue to see opportunities to add talent to an already strong team. And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh,
We actually had that opportunity this past quarter as we added four relationship managers in the markets of Memphis, Atlanta, Mobile, Huntsville. That brings us to 11 actually total this year. So we continue to see those opportunities and we'll continue to be opportunistic there.
Just on the efficiency. I'm glad you brought up this question because we're not just simply cutting expenses to drive efficiency, what we're doing is reallocating resources to maximize revenue. And so absolutely, we are always open to hiring talent and we're using the opportunities in the market to do that. But it's about resource allocation. We are always...
as we evaluate higher, as we evaluate opportunities, we look for the returns that we get off of it. And so if there is, if there's a compelling reason and economically it makes sense, absolutely we will be hiring. At the same time on efficiency, accountability is a big theme of efficiency. So said in other way, we have little tolerance for unproductivity of existing ventures, operations, staffing.
So that works on both sides. We are always open to hiring talent. At the same time, through accountabilities, we have less tolerance for unproductivity. And that's what's driving the improvement in the efficiency and the flattening of expenses.
And Kevin, I would just add to Kevin's comments, if you just think about the 877 million in production we saw this quarter, about 35% of that was driven by relationship managers that has joined the company in the last three years. Of course, the flip side of that, we're seeing good production out of our current team, but it's really as we grow the company, as we are very focused on expense and our expense base.
Or here, I'm referring to relationship managers and held drip to long production.
Thanks for the clarification guys.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Dave Bishop with Havdi Group. Please go ahead.
Good morning gentlemen, some say on the topic of funding this year, obviously this quarter you took down some of the excess cash and liquidity that's sitting on maybe a billion or so. Where do you see that? Is there a four, a natural floor, obviously there is, but just to carry your comfort level, you can even further to fund numbers.
More and day, this is Jim. So it's a couple of things. Yes, the billion dollars, we would be comfortable that going down to somewhere near half a billion dollars. I'd say 450 to 500 million would be sort of where our floor would be. And then additionally, we've got three billion dollars in securities, as you know. And that percent is of...
or that total is a percent of total assets or how many you wanna look at would be high for us historically, like for a lot of people. And I think there's room there to fund that loan growth if we don't get the deposit growth that we hope for. So, both of those are levers that we feel like we can pull the fund incremental loan growth from here.
Turning back to the loan growth discussion, just curious if you have those numbers handy, maybe what the weighted average yield on new production was this quarter and just what you're seeing just in terms of the ability to get compensated for rising rates within the market.
Yeah, so we've seen a nice improvement in terms of new and renewed rates. And if we look at core loan yields, you know, for the, for the monster in the core, of course, they improved in every month. And in June , they were right around a 4.07% core loan yield. And so the trends there are good. And, you know, that contrast. I mean, we're, you know, a good 30 or 40 basis points above where we were this time.
on for Matt.
I had a quick question on the loan growth. How much of that loan growth in 2Q was a more function of slower paydowns versus higher origination. The loan growth was a more function of slower paydowns versus higher origination.
Yeah, so Matt actually, payoffs ticked up slightly but only slightly. I think they were very close to the quarter prior. We actually saw this past quarter total paydowns was 718. That compares to 704 the prior quarter. I think the important thing here and I was alluding to it earlier.
If you look at the average, when we get into borrers selling the underlying asset, which weighed on net last year, which weighed on net last year,
That's down from last year average, somewhere around 56% that's down closer to 40% this year. Another thing that we saw are those that are lost to term and rate. We saw that reduced from, it was roughly 24% in the first quarter, that's down to closer to 10%. So we're really it's driven by continued and consistent and consistent improvement in production.
So it's more driven by our ability to produce and to do that throughout the company. And to do that throughout the company. And to do that throughout the company.
Perfect. Thank you.
Thank you.
This concludes the Question and Answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mitch Wakehouse, sir, for closing remarks.
Well, thank you and thank you to those who joined the call today. We appreciate the interest and look forward to speaking again soon. We appreciate the interest and look forward to speaking again soon.
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