Q2 2022 Horace Mann Educators Corp Earnings Call
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Heather Wetzel.
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Thank you and good morning, everyone welcome to Horace Mann's discussion of our second quarter results.
Yesterday, we issued our earnings announcement and Investor supplement and Investor presentation copies are available on the investors page of our website.
He does the writers President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bret Conklin Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer will give the formal remarks on today's call.
With us for Q&A, we have Matt Sharpe and supplemental and good benefits Mark dress shirt on property and casualty, Mike working Brac and life and retirement and Ryan Greener and investment.
If I turn it over to Marita I want to note that our presentation. Today includes forward looking statements as defined in the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
<unk> cautions investors that any forward looking statements include risks and uncertainties and are not guarantees of future performance.
These forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and we assume no obligation to update them.
Actual results may differ materially due to a variety of factors, which are described in our news release and SEC filings.
In our prepared remarks, we use some non-GAAP measures.
A reconciliation of these measures to our most comparable GAAP measures are available in our news release.
I'll now turn the call over to Amrita.
Thanks, Heather and good morning, everyone last night, we reported second quarter core results near breakeven and ahead of the loss we anticipated in our pre announcement due to better than anticipated segment operating performance based on this performance, we made a minor upward revision to our full year core.
EPS guidance to a range of $2.15 to $2.35.
As our preliminary announcement described the impact on our bottom line from external events was disappointing.
We expect 2023, our ROE to be in the high single digits.
As we resume our trajectory towards our goal of a sustainable double digit Roe.
Our operating results clearly benefited from strategic actions, we've taken in recent years, while also illustrating the value of diversifying our earnings base with our new Worksite Division, adding $13 2 million to core earnings in the quarter, Let me cover each of the external challenges.
Given shortly.
First catastrophe storm activity was outsized.
Our losses were nearly double our 10 year average for the second quarter.
The second quarter is typically our heaviest catastrophe quarter. It has represented about 50% of our full year catastrophe load since we completed a strategic and multifaceted shift to reduce our coastal exposures five years ago.
However, in this year's second quarter, the Midwest and Plains States experienced unusually high thunderstorm wind and hail activity. For example, one severe storm that cross the country in may caused major damage and communities from Texas to Minnesota to Pennsylvania.
In light of the breadth and magnitude of the events in the quarter. We do not believe that exposure concentrations were an issue, although our dynamic underwriting and risk mitigation programs monitor this risk closely.
Second inflation continues to significantly impact the P&C sector.
Industry wide inflation is driving higher physical damage costs due to higher parts pricing and labor rates as well as claim resolution timing.
Injury claims costs are rising because of trends towards more severe accidents and increased utilization of medical treatments. As we've described in recent quarters, we have been proactively adding rate and taking underwriting actions where needed to address rising loss costs.
Our auto rate plan as dynamics through the remainder of 2022 and well into 2023, and we will adjust as needed to address evolving market trends there.
The current plan reflects rate increases in the high single to low double digit range in states, representing almost 80% of our premiums keep in mind, 70% of our auto policies are six month policies.
We are also strengthening auto reserves this quarter because it became clear that these industry wide trends are also affecting claims from recent accident years that remain open because of pandemic related systemic delays.
Like auto or property pricing strategy is proactive and average premiums have risen almost 8% over last year's second quarter due largely to inflation adjustments to coverage values given that the level of weather activity will support additional rate filings, we expect the overall impact on.
Average premiums rising to the mid teens over the next 12 to 18 months set.
Said another way our property book has been historically profitable and we will adjust our underwriting and pricing as needed to maintain that track record.
And lastly weakness in the equity markets led to unfavorable DAC unlocking.
Brett will discuss DAC unlocking and detailed later in his remarks, but I want to step back briefly to note that we've been positioning the investment portfolio for a rising rate environment for some time, we expect to benefit substantially over the next several years from the actions of the fed is taking to address inflation and other <unk>.
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For example, nearly 20% of our portfolio was floating rate plus our core portfolio new money rate in the second quarter was four 8% up over 140 basis points from a year ago.
To bring this back to a high level view, although progress towards our long term goal of a sustained double digit ROE has been temporarily interrupted by the impact of external events, we remain as committed as ever to taking care of our educator customers and as confident in our long term outlook.
To achieve our long term objectives of an expanded market share and accelerated shareholder value, we implemented a multiyear PDI strategy to enhance our product offerings to strengthen our distribution and to modernize our infrastructure our transformational phase.
To position ourselves for market growth culminated in the acquisition of Madison National Life in January .
As a result, we now have the capability to provide educators with the products they need whether purchased individually or through their employer under the horsemen umbrella, we have aligned our operations into two focused divisions retail and worksite to maximize our potential to respond to the needs of educators.
Caters and school districts.
So let me turn to the momentum we continue to see as we implement strategic growth initiatives in each division beginning with work site.
Core earnings for the Worksite segment were up 14% over prior year and we're seeing continued progress in sales metrics second quarter voluntary supplemental sales grew 83% over last year's second quarter as we steadily move back towards pre pandemic levels.
The employer sponsored benefits line, which was added with the acquisition of Madison National This year contributed $1 3 million in quarterly sales consistent with our expectations for that business.
As an aside employer sponsored sales do fluctuate by quarter with first and third quarters generally stronger than second and fourth aligning with typical benefit your timing for districts we.
We expanded our marketing of group supplemental products in the second quarter to further meet the needs of school districts interested in providing more comprehensive benefits to their educators and employees.
We remain optimistic about the growth opportunity of this business, particularly as we leverage the complementary geographic and product strengths of the two acquired businesses.
And looking further out we are encouraged by our preliminary work leveraging district relationships across the retail and Worksite divisions. It's good to have early reinforcement of our enthusiasm about the future of the Horace Mann companies.
On the retail side of the house, we are seeing steady progress in each of our four strategic growth priorities.
First as we've come out of them pandemic with greater access to educators and growing demand from industry disruption. We are slowly returning to pre pandemic sales levels in.
In the auto line April was the best month for auto sales since the pandemic began may with similar even though sales typically start to trail off as the school year winds down June was even stronger than April and May with the highest auto sales since fall of 2019.
As a multiline carrier our relationships with customers often start with an auto policy book ROE to include property insurance life insurance and savings products. That's why we are leading with auto and geographies, where we are priced appropriately.
The second priority is to execute on accelerating the successful cross selling of our mono line customers.
It's consistently a strength of our agents and bodes, particularly well for our overall customer retention with over 600000 incoming calls to our customer care center annually, we wanted to make certain those conversations identified and acted on unmet educator needs.
Through a structured approach the level of new sales coming out of these interactions has grown 160% in the first half of this year.
The third priority is to continue to build our digital capabilities to ensure our operations run efficiently and educators connect with us in a manner. They prefer this.
This year a lot of the focus is on infrastructure evolution to support the household identification work that will be integral to our multichannel distribution and growth capabilities going forward.
Finally, and most importantly, we must maintain our distinctive service mindset in every decision and every interaction.
We facilitate internal training.
Discussions and recognition around keeping the educator at the center of everything we do.
Of course, there are examples across the business, but the work of our P&C claims team in the second quarter clearly stands out they delivered prompt compassionate and reliable service to our customers at each step of the process storm after storm after storm.
Informing all of these strategies is our ongoing in depth education market research to better understand the buying propensity and preferences of the nation's nearly 8 million educators as well as the districts that employ them. We continue to add our education market knowledge and build those learnings into our existing.
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Looking ahead, our agents are excited to engage with educators during the upcoming back to school season.
Although the environment is dynamic we are cautiously optimistic about schools being more able to focus on academics with the worst of the pandemic behind us Likewise educators have more time to allocate to their personal lives in financial planning, we are seeing positive signs in terms of scheduling events and meetings, Utah.
Elisa in both our traditional in person strengths and the virtual skills, we learned over the past two years.
Throughout our growth journey driving shareholder value through varying economic cycles remains a priority as Bret will discuss in more detail our capital generating capacity remains strong we continue to return capital to shareholders with annual dividend increases and opportunistic share.
Repurchase in the first seven months of the year, we used 24 million to repurchase almost 671000 shares our highest level of repurchase activity since 2016, which is a testament to our confidence in our strategy.
Hey, there is over $40 million remaining on the board authorization from May.
In closing as schools open for the 'twenty to 'twenty two 'twenty two 'twenty three school year, we will be there to support educators, providing financial education enrolling new participants and benefit programs sponsoring classroom projects and building relationships. This is what we do best work as a partner.
Her to the educational community and help provide solutions to the challenges that educators face every day.
Thank you and with that I'll turn the call over to Brett.
Thanks, Marita and good morning, everyone external events had a significant impact on our quarter. Although earnings came in slightly ahead of our pre announce ranged with the core loss at one cent per diluted share.
Based on the results, we updated our full year 2022 core EPS guidance to $2.15 to $2.35 per diluted share.
We expect 2023 ROE to be in the high single digits as we resume our trajectory toward our goal of a sustainable double digit Roe.
I'll go into more detail on the guidance later in my remarks, but first let me run briefly through the results and outlook considerations for each segment.
Property and casualty results were significantly affected by cat losses, and inflation with a segment core loss of $25 4 million.
In addition to the initial impacts of our pricing actions policy counts were relatively flat as new sales strengthen and retention continued to rise leading to average written premiums up one 6% for auto policies and seven 5% for property.
Total written premiums were up slightly for the quarter and the rate of increase should continue to improve we are looking forward to seeing this momentum reflected in total earned premiums later this year or early in 2023.
Let's turn to the key drivers of the second quarter underwriting results first catastrophe losses.
In line with our July 13th announcement Cat losses were $45 $7 million contributing 31 points to the combined ratio well above our 10 year average for the second quarter of $26 million and bringing year to date cat losses to $53 million.
Our losses from 'twenty two events designated as cats by P. C. S. In the quarter, primarily severe thunderstorm wind and hail events were concentrated in the Midwest and Plains States.
Of the hail events auto cat losses contributed about one point more to the loss ratio than last year.
Our updated guidance assumes cat losses for the second half of 2022 will contribute between 20 and $22 million pretax unchanged from previous guidance. This is in line with our 10 year average for second half cat losses.
I would also note that we did not see outsized cat losses in July .
The second driver is inflation in line with industry experience, we began addressing higher auto loss severity driven by inflation in late 2021 and earlier this year.
Over recent months, we've also seen additional impacts of other loss cost factors, including the industry trends towards more severe accidents and increased utilization of medical treatments.
Marie the noted we continue to implement rate and other underwriting changes to address these trends, it's worth noting that miles driven are near pre pandemic levels. Despite higher gas prices in recent months.
Third there also has been an effect on settlement of claims from recent accident years that had not been closed because of a pandemic related systemic delays in the second quarter, we recognize the effect of the inflationary trends by strengthening prior accident year reserves by 6 million pre tax.
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P&C segment net investment income was 14 million below last year's level as the limited partnership portfolio for this segment swung to breakeven from last year's outsized returns.
If we assume our average historic level of L. P returns. The P&C segment would have annual L. P earnings around 15 million, but if <unk> seen in the quarterly results the period to period earnings can be volatile.
Our guidance for full year core earnings for the P&C segment is $10 million to $14 million as we said in July .
Turning to life and retirement core earnings were up four 8%, while adjusted core earnings were up 24, 4% the.
The equity market declines led to higher DAC unlocking as well as lower charges and fees on asset based accounts. However, the level of DAC unlocking was lower than we originally anticipated as there was a partial offset related to the assumption on future separate account fund performance.
While the equity market declines are impacting our full year outlook operationally, both retirement and life continued to perform in line with our expectations.
Life sales in the quarter continued at a steady pace rising sequentially, although slightly below our strong quarter last year persistency.
Persistency remained consistent and mortality costs were below last year's second quarter.
The net interest spread was 303 bps up from a year ago, reflecting strong investment returns the spread on our fixed annuity business is comfortably above our threshold to achieve a double digit return on equity.
We also had another solid quarter for retirement advantage the fee based mutual fund platform that we believe creates long term opportunity for this business segment.
Our updated outlook for the full year core earnings for the LNR segment of $56 million to $59 million anticipates, the full year net investment spread will be slightly below the 2021 level of 290 bps.
While mortality costs are expected to be consistent with actuarial expectations. The revised outlook also reflects first half DAC unlocking and the effect of equity market declines on charges and fees.
Now, let me turn to the supplemental and group benefits segment, you'll recall that Madison National's results were added effective January one of this year, which makes some of the comparisons to 2021 performance less useful.
Overall this business is performing well and we are excited about its potential and the earnings diversification that brings for.
For the full segment second quarter premiums and contract charges earned were $69 $1 million of which Madison National's employer sponsored products represented $37 5 million.
A voluntary supplemental products were $2 2 million in the second quarter and 83% increase over prior year with persistency remaining very strong at 92%.
Sales of employer sponsored products added another $1 $3 million in line with our expectations for the second quarter.
Amortization of intangible assets under purchase accounting reduce core earnings by $3 9 million pretax versus 3 million in the second quarter of 2021.
Core earnings were up 10% with adjusted core earnings up 14%.
Net investment income for this segment reflected the addition of the Madison National portfolio effective January <unk>.
It's been a seamless integration and we've already increased GAAP book yield by more than 200 bps to nearly 4% for this portfolio.
And as our CML and LP commitments for this portfolio are funded we would expect to see that yield rise further.
The pre tax profit margin for this segment reflects the combination of voluntary and employer sponsored product lines. Our full year outlook assumes claims utilization will move closer to pre pandemic levels, leading to full year benefit ratios of about 35% for voluntary products and about 50.
Per cent for employer paid products amortization of intangible assets is expected to be approximately $13 million or <unk> 30 per share after tax for the year.
Before I turn to investments I want to give an update on the new <unk> accounting guidance as we mentioned at year end. The standard does not change long term earnings underlying economics or cash flow.
Furthermore, it has no impact on the statutory earnings or the statutory capital we are required to maintain for regulatory purposes.
None of the changes impact, our past or future products or product structure or our educator customers either in what they pay us or the amount of claims we ultimately paid to them.
However for the impacted businesses. It does require cash flow assumptions underlying policy reserves to be reviewed and updated and those reserves to be revalued using current discount rates.
When we adopt the standard effective January one 2023, we will be applying the guidance as of the transition date of 112021 the.
The transition impact on reported GAAP book value will fall largely in three areas.
First an increase in the liability for future policy benefits largely due to changes in discount rate assumptions number two a new benefit liability to be called market risk benefits and thirdly, the elimination of the shadow DAC equity adjustment.
In total when we make the transition adjustments as of 112021 shareholders equity will be reduced by $400 million to $500 million.
This impact will largely be due to the impact of revaluing reserves using a discount rate assumption relevant for that date. There is no question that we have recouped a material portion of that amount due to the effect of recent interest rate increases on the discount rate.
Also after adopting L. D T. I, we plan to continue to provide an adjusted shareholders equity that excludes these adjustments as well as unrealized gains.
The appendix to our Investor presentation includes the table that will appear in the 10-Q, we expect to file Monday.
It summarizes the areas of impact and is included for your reference.
We continue our work on implementation of L. D Ti and will offer further updates on income impacts later this year.
I've mentioned various aspects of investment performance for the segments, but looking at the consolidated portfolio net investment income on the managed portfolio was right on track with our expectations.
LP returns were 12, 6% a strong return given market volatility and ahead of our historic average annualized returns which are in the 8% range. However, the comparison to last year is unfavorable because of Q2 2021 outsized returns from Lps of over 30.
Percent.
We've added some disclosures in the investor presentation, and Investor supplement to illustrate how the LP portfolio and related earnings are distributed between segments.
The P&C segment has more exposure to the portion of the LP portfolio with equity like characteristics. So that segment is most likely to see volatility when equity markets are under pressure.
The core fixed income portfolio is well positioned to take advantage of opportunities to add high quality exposure to the portfolio, while still achieving strong new money rates.
We now expect total net investment income from the managed portfolio for the year to be at the low end of the guided range of $3 $10 million to $320 million.
This largely reflects lower portfolio balances in the core portfolio because of elevated cat losses.
Due to equity market declines returns on LP funds are now expected to be below historical average for the second half.
When we take all of the factors into consideration, we made a modest upward adjustment in our guidance for 2022 core EPS to $2 15.
To $2 35.
The release and the presentation contain the guidance for each segment core earnings that I mentioned in my remarks.
Stepping back our efforts over the past several years have made Horace Mann, a stronger and more diverse organization able to continue to effectively serve educators, while withstanding external pressures our long term view of our potential remains fundamentally unchanged.
We continue to target sustained double digit Roe and.
And 10% average annual EPS growth over the long term.
We continue to expect to annually generate at least $50 million in excess capital above what we pay and shareholder dividends.
While our priority is and will continue to be growth, we are committed to providing strong returns to shareholders.
Since we closed the Madison National transaction at the start of 2022, our repurchase activity has been its highest since 2016.
We used $24 million to Opportunistically repurchase almost 671000 shares of stock at an average price of $35 and 80 <unk>.
Supported by a new $50 million authorization from the board in May.
We have paid more than $26 million in shareholder dividends, reflecting the three 2% increase declared by the board in March and expect to pay approximately another $27 million in cash dividends in the second half of the year. Thank.
Thank you and with that I'll turn it back to Heather.
Thank you operator, we're ready for questions.
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And the first question today will be from mayor shields from <unk>. Please.
Please go ahead.
Thank you good morning, one morning, I guess brief mathematic.
Sorry, I hope everyone's well.
I just think this is a mathematical question, but if we're seeing inflation.
Running sort of hot and.
We're not quite at reasonable.
Rate levels to respond to reflect that yet wouldn't it make sense to anticipate sort of a second half catastrophe loss ratio, that's above average rather than a mine.
Yes.
From a property cat perspective.
We do a plan every year looking at five and 10 year averages.
Look at whether the most recent year has increased per claim level higher so we would take into consideration some of the things that we anticipated for increased material costs. For example, an estimation of supply chain for example.
So our planning our originally when we put that number together for this coming year for the full year would have would have included many of the trends that you see to the extent that those trends continue longer.
Get deeper where there'll be a need next year when we do our plan to think about it sure but it would be small remember that the second quarter by far is our biggest quarter for cats, obviously, we saw it in the second quarter with nearly double what our 10 year average with tell us, but the second quarter tends to be pretty small.
Paul for us in our numbers reflect that so to the extent that there was a little bit of creep it would be on a much smaller number than it would be if it was the first half. Yes. This is Brad just to add to what Maria just shared I think in my remarks talked about are.
Planned cat's second half being 20% to $22 million. So just throwing out a 10% increase thats a couple million Bucks and I also mentioned in my prepared remarks that we didn't see anything outsized in July and I would add too and maybe mark has a comment but I'll probably steal his thunder so you won't need to.
Come in.
But we are seeing some of the actual cost of materials.
Lumber.
So it might not be as cliffy as maybe it was in the first half.
Okay, no so marine I think.
Go ahead.
Yes, I was going to just jump in this is mark I would say that what we're seeing in terms of some of the changes in for example in things like lumber.
As his perspective debt.
But the trend over the second half of the year. The inflationary trend is going to be quite similar to what we had originally.
Thought in our plans when we.
Put forth our original cat plan for the year.
Okay.
Okay. That's all very helpful.
Thank you.
Unrelated question I guess for Ryan as we kind of move into a period of lower sorry higher interest rates.
How does that impact the allocation to alternative investments.
Thanks for the question Mara this is Ryan.
Higher interest rates for us the biggest benefit is on the core portfolio and as Marita said in her remarks, 20% of our portfolio is floating rate.
That's primarily within high grade AAA, <unk> and commercial mortgage loans.
The impact of a 100 basis point move on on floaters.
$12 million pre tax for us.
When I think about how that impacts the <unk>.
Our limited partnership portfolio allocation.
Higher interest rates bode well for private credit and we have a sizable allocation to private credit funds. Those are primarily in the life retirement supplemental group segments, but as rates reprice those new originations.
Owns in those funds.
Well priced at a higher rate.
To put it in perspective, they typically generate a return in the high single digits to about 10 for that strategy and you could see a little bit more.
The widening of that improvement in that if you will as the rate environment moves up yes.
Yes. This is Brad I would also add that.
As of June we're basically at our 5%.
Allocation to that asset class and that's kind of.
The level that we're comfortable adding that they have talked about.
Share with everyone that the LTE allocation would be around 5% of the total portfolio and CMS would be about 10%, but we're not quite to that level on the cml's yet so I just wanted to add that.
Okay. That's perfect. Thank you so much.
Sure.
And the next question will come from Gary Ransom Dowling and partners. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning, I wanted to ask about the adverse development in auto.
When you told US it was six I guess I didn't realize until last night that there was really 12 and.
Six favorable and.
In property, but I was wondering if you could help us understand how that manifested over the course of the second quarter. Obviously, you saw something in the first quarter.
And then you saw more of a move in the second quarter I Wonder if you could describe what you've seen and maybe particularly note any changes in sub road delays that might've contributed at the time the physical damage side.
Sure. Gary This is Bret let me start and I would say if mark wants to follow up with any additional comments, but I think you and others are well aware that we've had a long standing reputation for maintaining conservative loss reserve levels, that's not a new thing for Horace Mann and as you.
Said.
In the second quarter, we did strengthen.
The auto bi reserves, specifically to the tune of $12 million and Youre right. They were offset by some favorable development in the property.
Line.
And obviously, yes. It was looking at how things were developing and seeing a trend and I think we even noted it in our prepared remarks that.
They were mainly related to probably the vast majority of the last two accident years.
<unk> one in 'twenty, where if you think about it these related to open claims that obviously when those were set up they did not anticipate the inflationary pressures that when we actually go to settle those claims and pay them in the current year, obviously were coming in heavier.
That and obviously homeowners I would say is a separate issue altogether no different than in prior years, where I would say reserving on a conservative level. We've had favorable releases through certainly the last five plus years in that zone. So.
We just felt the prudent thing to do you I think you're well aware we.
Set reserves.
So that we're basically at the upper half of the range and that strengthening that we did in the second quarter basically let us maintain those same levels Mark I don't know if you wanted to add anything there.
No.
Brent.
All of the key points I mean, I think part of what we've seen and I think many in the.
The industry Youre seeing is during the pandemic.
There was a slowdown in receiving demand packages.
Where there were attorneys involved and a lot of these older claims that are open have some attorney involvement and now that we're finally starting to see those come through.
And are you seeing much higher levels of treatment more increase treatment.
And things like that and I think that's.
Why we've kind of had this manifestation of.
Recognizing it probably started to see it a little bit in the first quarter to some extent, but more so in the second quarter and acknowledging that.
So am I correct and then on though.
I was going to ask you about physical damage is there nothing significant on the physical damage side no not on the physical damage side. When you asked about the south.
So obviously, that's the <unk>.
Subrogation is a little bit slower.
But we are still getting you would still anticipate getting it and that's not really a factor in what's happening with the reserve development.
Okay.
It's yeah, it's just interesting because across the industry with all the companies that have reported so far.
The differences are a little bit checkered.
And even though I understand.
What you are saying I don't see it sounds like a universal effect on everybody and yet only some are experiencing yet and so I don't know in that context, I don't know do you have.
Have any any view of how widespread what youre seeing does it seem environmental across the board or is it perhaps coming in.
Certain states or certain regions.
I mean.
Go ahead Mark.
I'm, sorry, I was going to I was just going to say I think to an extent it is environmental when we look at.
The close rates of some of the key peers in terms of what percentage of their claims are still open we see pretty similar patterns in this kind of slow down.
And the liability side and so.
I have to believe that most of what we're seeing is is a macro effect that everybody is experiencing to some extent.
Yeah.
Okay.
If I could just change the subject too.
Marketing to the teachers.
I know the new year is coming up and I think you've kind of mentioned.
There's a little bit of activity going on I mean, maybe it's a little too early to describe everything youre doing but I was wondering if you have any any metrics or anything you could share with us that.
Suggest youre really getting back to normal with the upcoming.
Start to the school year.
Yeah, absolutely and we put them.
<unk> in our script to try to give you a little bit.
Color on that and I would tell you that when we look at July July is following a similar pattern and we feel good about the momentum that we're seeing in July as well is strong I mean for us.
July tends to be a pretty small quiet month, and you can imagine its vacation time for teachers for sure and maybe for some of our agents as well, but this July it looks like they may.
May have continued to use some of the things that they learned during the pandemic and they've ramped up their what I would say early back to school activity and what we're seeing for back to school is.
We said in our script appointments are being made.
We keep track of our leads we keep track of the activity that our agents have we know where our salespeople are pulled in.
We're holding seminars in back to school rallies and all of those numbers look.
Quite quite good as we get back to more pre pandemic levels on that on that activity. I mean, we have more and more opportunity to touch base with our customers than we've had in a in a long time. So I would say all of the metrics that we follow are all pointing in a in a pretty good direction.
And I guess when when we think about growth rates in those businesses and maybe it's you know new new sales.
Is it.
Is that.
I guess I'm sure you know what I'm trying to think about how this might unfold in the next year and actually into the third and fourth quarter I'm, just kind of how much growth. We can expect in trying to think about what's happening now versus perhaps what was happening a year ago what.
How much change has actually happened.
Well I mean, I would say a lot of change I mean, when you think about trying to do what we do.
In a pandemic environment when schools are.
Not closed certainly distracted the environment is quite different when the majority of the pandemic related issues are behind us not only is access significantly opened up but our educators have more time and more interest in engaging with.
Yes.
As consumed as students being out students being in and navigating a hybrid environment.
The World has settled down a little bit for them and for us. So that we can get back to what we would normally be doing this time of year, but even more excited that we can combine it with much of the work that we did during the pandemic that drove efficiency that allowed us to use zoom that allowed us to.
Use food trucks and parking lots and all the other things. We did we think theres, a magnifying effect by being able to do what we always did historically and combine it with what some really good new tools that we use during during the pandemic.
I mean, when I look at it take the supplemental sales numbers. It is a work site product that we're excited about moving and you'll see those numbers in there take our retirement trajectory retirement looks good people are having conversations engaging in retirement we're excited.
<unk> about that cross sell discussions at least between retail and work site and the other way around the momentum seems.
Seems good.
Thank you for all of that that's good commentary.
Welcome Terry.
And the next question will come from John Barnidge from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much another my first question another life provider for individual life reported an actuarial charge and reduced life's earnings go forward.
It was related to lapse assumptions in our mortality improvement assumption change can you maybe talk about labs has done since versus experience and then mortality improvement that's embedded.
Assume versus maybe experience. Thank you.
Yes, John this is Bret.
Can start and if Mike wants to chime in but I believe the life carrier that you're referring to is on a product that we we don't and we don't even sell or market. So I think maybe there could be some confusion does that relate to the new accounting pronouncement versus the unique.
Specificity.
The product.
At hand, so I can't sit here and comment on another company's assumptions obviously.
We true up our assumption.
Regular basis.
We havent seen any dramatic changes in our persistency or lapse rates and usually don't.
Whether we're in a financial crisis.
In the past I think we've commented our customers are sticky when when the mass markets are but.
That's all I can comment on as it relates to the Horace Mann.
Brian I appreciate that color around the product mix good friends and.
Maybe a question around the pricing program.
Touching 80% of auto premiums I believe now that the.
The timeframe is being pushed out or geographies in that remaining 20% eventually see rate or can you maybe talk about the areas that arent seeing rate not 20%. Thank you very much.
Hey, Mark.
You can go ahead and take that one.
Yes.
The most significant area that isn't seeing greatest obviously, California.
I think theres been a lot.
Published in the last couple of weeks, what's going on there I would say that.
We have.
Very recently in the last couple of days, we have made a filing in California for one of our companies that represents about 20% of our premium we anticipate making.
Our filing and the other company within the next several weeks.
Obviously.
Given what's going on in the environment there.
We do anticipate that to.
A challenge.
However.
We have the luxury I think of the partnerships, we have through our general agency to be able to place business with other partner carriers when necessary.
And if we don't ultimately get the rate that we need then we may need to restrict some of the new business growth in that particular geography.
Yeah, that's right. Marc This is Marita I'd also say that we start all of this with a profitable book of auto business in California.
And its educators homogeneous market niche of educator business appropriately rated I mean to the extent that over time. These trends continue and we're not.
Able to get the rate that we need and other neat others need industry in the state we may need to restrict new business growth, we're not at that point.
But as Mark said restriction of new business growth for us would mean that we placed with another carrier that might be comfortable writing.
That business, we're not at that point.
We work really hard we'll see how this works out.
But on the majority of our book, we're getting the rate increases that we need.
And we feel good about being able to put the right in that we need to cover key trends.
The majority of the places that we are and if we need more rate will push more rate.
Just to clarify Mark you said.
Youre right filing company in California that represents 20% of premiums is that 20% of California premiums, Yes, I was talking about that's correct, 20% of the California premium. So we have two different underwriting companies in California.
One is about 20% of the California premium many others E D.
Within the last few days made the initial filing on the first company and we anticipate a similar filing in the next few weeks and the other company.
Great. Thank you very much best of luck.
Thank you I appreciate the question.
The next question is from Greg Peters from Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
Just a follow up on the pricing question.
Approximately how much pro form of premium in the way of price increase in auto and home.
Do you see coming through the pipeline over the next 12 to 18 months.
Yes, you can go ahead mark.
Yes, so as we said in on on the auto side.
We anticipate.
Rates across that.
80% of the market in the high single digit low double digit.
You know a lot will depend on what we get.
When and if we get rate in California, and how much of that will change.
As you think about it part of what you have to remember is these are rates that are.
Just going in.
So the system now or going in over the next couple of quarters when we talked.
Originally at the fourth quarter call, we talked about at that point a mid single.
Digit rate increase across auto and.
At that point, we would have expected.
About half of that premium to earn in.
As you know.
Latter half of this year and the other half to earn in in early next year as we've increased that number that pushes that earnings a little bit more.
Into.
Earlier to mid part of 2023.
On the <unk>.
Property side and I think we've talked about this was in the script we have been.
Taking increases.
Through inflation God, we've taken two increases over the past year.
Our average premium's jump up almost 8%.
We had anticipated the combination of rate.
And inflation to be in the low <unk>.
Double digits, but given what we've seen.
With the continuing rate of inflation and more so on.
The long term view of whether.
It's sort of impact.
On our overall profitability because we feel good about.
Ex cat once we address the inflation issues.
That we really need to.
Take a more aggressive approach on the rate side to address what we've seen with increased weather and so that's why we anticipate over the next 12 months to 18 months starting to push more towards that mid teens level overall premium changed on the property side.
Okay. Thanks for the color a lot of the other questions I had were answered I guess I'm just going to pivot to.
Broader macro challenge for so many companies is that just.
With inflation.
And the tight labor market retention employee retention has become an issue.
So.
Marine or maybe you could just step back and give us some perspective on not only what's going on internally with employees of your company, but also within your producer the agency channel is it.
Are you still seeing the same retention levels same producer retention levels.
Historical or has there been a change et cetera.
Yes.
It's a great question and I I know I sound like a broken record when I say insulated, but not immune but I think one of the key attraction and retention points to Horace Mann is our mission, our vision and our value proposition people come to Horace Mann, instead, Horace Mann, because we serve.
One of the most deserve it set of customers on the planet and people are attracted to that mission centric value proposition. So when I look at the stats across.
Our peer set and companies across the U S I'm proud of our retention.
Stats for sure, but we're not immune from the trends that you see out there people make different choices. These days.
And what we see is our open position count tends to be a little higher than what we have seen in the past, but our retention is quite strong and I think we're bucking the tide a little bit in that regard our agent retention numbers are also decent we're excited about our ability.
To attract new agents to the value proposition and and recently I think we mentioned this on the last call as well our agent recruiting numbers are beginning to trend up you can imagine how difficult that is during a pandemic related.
Kind of environment, and we don't see that as much now as we're beginning to see access open up we're beginning to see our agents higher licensed producers and those numbers are starting to go back.
As well, so again insulated, but not immune clearly we see the trends, but I would stack our retention numbers up against most of what we're hearing and seeing.
Out there in the marketplace.
Got it thank you for the detail.
And thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Heather Wetzel for any closing remarks.
Thank you everyone for joining us today, if there's any follow up questions feel free to reach out I'll be available obviously today and next week I also wanted to let everyone know we will be meeting with investors.
In conjunction with all five of our covering sell side firms over the next month or two so you've gotta anybody youre dealing with just feel free to reach out we'll figure something out I do have to make highlight however, we will be at the <unk> conference in September along with many of our peers.
We all know that's one of the big events, So look forward to talking to folks and thank you for your time.
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