Q2 2022 EVgo Inc Earnings Call
Olga Shevronkova, the company's chief financial officer.
Today, we will be discussing EVGO's latest financial results for the second quarter of 2022, followed by a Q&A session.
During the call, management will be making forward-looking statements regarding the 2022 fiscal year and our outlook for expected growth and investment initiatives.
These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control and could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations, including among other risks and uncertainties, the severity and duration of the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. These forward-looking statements apply as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements after the call. For a more detailed description of factors that could cause actual results to differ,
Please refer to our Form 10Q filed soon with the SEC and post it to the investor section of our website.
Also, please note certain financial measures we use on this call are on a non-GAAP basis. For historical periods, we provide reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to GAAP financial measures. The presentation can be found on the investor section of our website.
With that, I'll turn the call over to Kathy Zoi, EVGo's CEO . Kathy? So, I'm moved to the Ford diffuser because the new speedway system and naturally just
We're excited to be with you following another quarter of progress for EVgo.
Our results for the second quarter, together with the milestone partnership we recently announced with Pilot and General Motors, reinforce our leadership position in ultra-fast EV charging.
I want to touch on a few important themes this morning. One, EVgo's continued operational success.
Two, our commercial progress, having signed a number of important partnerships.
Three, the work EVgo has been doing on the regulatory front to prepare for the massive investment the U.S. is making under the Infrastructure Investments and Jobs Act and soon to become law Inflation Reduction Act.
Four, and finally, the importance of technology-enabled innovation and why it's critical to all the work EVgo does, including maintaining industry-leading reliability and uptime standards.
Let's start on the operational side.
EVgo placed 170 stalls into operation across 17 states during Q2, bringing our total stalls in operation or under construction to 2,397.
Through the first six months of this year, we have already eclipsed the number of stalls we placed into operation in all of 2021. The same is true for mobilized stalls, which for the first half of the year are already 15% above where they were for the entirety of 2021.
At the same time, we continue to increase our active engineering and construction development pipeline, which is now over 3600. Notably, these numbers do not reflect the additional stalls from the Pilot GM partnership announced a few weeks ago.
Throughput was 10.1 gigawatt hours, an increase of 66 percent over the second quarter of 2021. Retail volumes were also encouraging, and the revival of volumes among Uber and Lyft drivers, where combined throughput was up 123 percent versus the second quarter of 2021, pointed the ongoing normalization of the post-COVID period and the continued EV adoption trends everywhere.
Ogle will share more about some of this in our financial results later.
In June , we activated Plug-In Charge for all GM EVs on the EVgo network. Plug-In Charge, which we at EVgo called Auto Charge Plus, enables EVgo customers to start a fast charging session in seconds by simply plugging the car in. No need to swipe a credit card or even open a mobile app.
EVgo's Auto Charge Plus is another example of homegrown innovation enhancing the driver experience through our collaboration with a variety of automakers.
The Auto Charge Plus rollout also shows how EVgo can apply our technology in a number of different ways to meet the diverse needs of our customers and partners.
We can incorporate Auto Charge Plus into proprietary offerings like GM's Altium Charge 360 EV ecosystem, in fleet offerings in conjunction with our Optima software products, and more broadly to our retail drivers across EVgo's vast charging network.
On fleet offering, EVgo is now part of a managed charging pilot program with a major Midwestern investor-owned utility as they work overtime to electrify their fleet of vehicles.
As part of this, EVgo will assist with installation, testing, and data reporting services, which will be powered by the EVgo Optima sweet charging optimization software and the EV Gold charging service and maintenance program.
We also recently announced a charging partnership with the City of Philadelphia, in which the city will use EVGo's public charging network as they electrify their fleet of over 6,000 municipal vehicles.
Both are very exciting and emblematic of the fleet electrification that is taking hold across the U.S.
On the partnership side, in May we announced a commercial agreement with Cadillacs to offer drivers of the new 2023 Lyric the option of two years of unlimited public fast charging on the EVgo network.
Cadillac selected EVgo to develop this best charging offer to make purchasing the new Lyric EV even more enticing.
Last month, in collaboration with GM and Pilot Company, we announced an EVgo extended product to deploy up to 2,000 charging stalls at up to 500 Pilot and Flying J locations across the United States.
With 78% of the entire continental U.S. interstate system within 10 miles of a pilot or flying day location, this collaboration represents a giant expansion of EVgo's reach and is poised to greatly enhance the experience of driving an EV on America's interstate and highway corridors.
This GM pilot partnership represents the first major announcement of the EVGo Extend offering we highlighted earlier this year.
As we have discussed, the growth in demand for EVs and the passage of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act in 2021 have increased interest in charging infrastructure in communities far and wide.
Our history and track record in operating complex public fast charging networks with higher reliability positions EVgo as the ideal partner.
As part of the GM pilot agreement, EVgo will procure, construct, operate and maintain these charging cells, providing us with both an increase in near-term revenue and longer-term contracted revenues.
In addition to the procurement and installation work associated with this contract, recall that EVgo will also be servicing these assets after installation, providing operational and maintenance support, technology assistance on the hardware and software side, and running the charging network.
Since we've been a public company, we've always discussed with investors our laser focus on profitability in the business and making investments only where they clear our internal rate of return or margin hurdle. And this agreement exceeds those hurdles.
In July , we also entered into a charger supply agreement with Delta Electronics.
Under the terms in this agreement, EVgo will purchase more than 1,000 chargers, which equates to 2,000 EV charging stalls.
This collaboration with a major international partner with Strengthen Power Electronics helps position EVgo to maintain a supply of chargers at a critical time in our company and our country's ramping demand for charging infrastructure.
Overall, EVgo Xtend partnerships provide for increased growth opportunities for EVgo while minimizing our exposure to near-term utilization risk in very nascent markets.
And importantly, we are able to significantly extend EVGo's reach on a capital-light basis.
On the regulatory development front, we announced in late May that EVgo and OSC Webco, a leading global provider of comprehensive, fully integrated solutions to the US federal government, have been awarded participation in a new five-year blanket purchase agreement with the US General Services Administration, commonly referred to as the GSA, to furnish EV supply equipment and ancillary services to federal government agencies.
This Blanket Purchase Agreement, or BPA, awarded to just 16 contracting teams, allows EVGo to offer a variety of fast charging and level 2 charging solutions to federal fleet vehicles across agencies, the U.S. military, and more.
With this BPA in place, federal agencies and approved government buyers can work with EVgo to plan, build, and install charging solutions and stations for their suites without entering into a lengthy procurement process.
The Biden-Harris administration is working to transition its entire federal fleet to zero-emission vehicles.
And this FY93 proposed budget includes $300 million for the GSA and $457 million for other agencies to help facilitate this goal.
supporting an entire electric federal fleet to require more than 100,000 new charging stations, according to the Government Accountability Office.
EVgo enthusiastically welcomes the U.S. government's leadership and electrification and looks forward to helping agencies across the federal government meet their EV charging goals.
Specific business projects will be announced by individual agencies as they formulate their own fleet electrification plan.
These efforts also complement the $7.5 billion investment from the bipartisan infrastructure law, which will help to build a national network of convenient, reliable and affordable EV chargers.
The National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure, or NEVI, program will provide $5 billion in formula funding to states to build out corridor charging.
Each state had to submit a plan for using their NEVY funds by August 1st.
Once approved, states will be eligible to begin spending their allocated MEVY funds.
The EVgo team has met with 36 departments of transportation and provided formal comments to 18 states in furtherance of the development of these heavy plants.
And we are expecting to see first solicitations from the states as early as the fourth quarter of 2022 or the first quarter of 2023.
The early plans and drafts from states include a strong preference for competitive solicitations for grant recipients over first-come, first-served approaches.
EVgo has strongly encouraged this approach as competitive solicitations tend to explicitly recognize the importance of established track record in delivering charging services and enhance will be more effective in putting taxpayer dollars to good use in maximizing
EDiGO has been busy preparing for this increased commercial activity and believe we are well positioned thanks in part to the work we've been doing as part of our Connect the Watch initiative.
We started Connect-a-Watt to bring together all the spokes in the electrification flywheel, including utilities and public funding agencies.
to share best practice and help accelerate the deployment of EV chargers.
Through this effort, EVgo has developed strong relationships at both the local and state levels and in many cases has become a trusted resource for officials looking to implement EV charging solutions.
As a reminder, earlier this year, EVGo published best practices for state DOTs for administering the NEVI program. For more information, visit evigo.gov.
We have a history of working collaboratively to create mutually beneficial public-private partnerships and believe our expertise has been helpful to states in preparing for NEVY.
Turning to utility level rate changes that will impact EVs, new programs have been approved by regulators in California, including at SMUD in Sacramento and at SDG&E in San Diego, as well as pending EV rate changes in Colorado, where a recommended decision by the regulator would be positive for EV drivers and PSC Colorado's territory.
In all, EVgo is participating in rape proceedings in 18 different utility service territories in 12 states and will be reporting back on the outcome of those cases over time.
And lastly, on the regulatory front, we announced in late June that EVgo has been selected by the California Energy Commission to receive a $3.6 million grant to build fast charging infrastructure for multi-family housing residents.
With more than 6 million residents of California living in apartment buildings, accessible fast charging may be key to facilitating adoption for these consumers. We're thrilled to work with California on this innovative program to keep making it easier for more drivers to go electric.
All together, EVO has applied for public funding in more than 30 different grant programs year to date and we expect to be very busy in the second half of the year.
I'd like to close by talking about our commitment to technology-enabled innovation, which we believe is one of EVgo's biggest competitive advantages.
EVgo's technology offerings frequently come up in discussions with potential commercial partners who appreciate EVgo's track record and capability across the hardware and software landscape and our commitment to making the EV charging landscape seamless for drivers of all types.
Technology is part of EVgo's DNA and value proposition.
In a prior quarter, we shared how we leveraged drones to speed up the site selection and development process.
Auto Charge Plus, which I referenced earlier, is a great example of our push to add functionality to simplify and enhance the charging process and experience.
At Plugshare, which has now been part of the EVgo family for a year, we exceeded 2.5 million registered subscribers as the platform continues to grow.
In addition, we launched Plugshare Premium during the second quarter, which for a small monthly fee enhances drivers and allows them to opt for an ad-free experience.
The EVgo Innovation Lab continues to provide value across the EV sector, and to augment our operations in El Segundo, now operates three remote locations at OEM development and testing facilities.
Since the lab was open, we've tested passenger EVs from 13 different OEMs and 3 EVs from 12 different OEMs.
We test vehicles against the full complement of chargers deployed publicly and privately, as well as with new chargers undergoing EVgo's rigorous certification process.
I'd also like to share more about how EVgo maintains industry-leading reliability and uptime standards on our network. This involves testing, preventative and corrective maintenance, a 24-7, 365 call center, and consumer research.
Emblematic of our enduring commitment, EVgo conducted a study in February and March this year to assess the operation of over 250 chargers in Northern California.
This is one of the highest usage regions on our network.
We reviewed charger logs and investigated payment processing systems, charger initiation functionality, and overall vehicular interactions across seven different vehicle types.
We also conducted a follow-up health check on these same chargers in May. What we have found is that 95% plus of the chargers were functioning as expected.
Similar review processes and health checks are occurring across the country, with upgrades and replacements of old equipment planned for 75 stalls in the third quarter alone.
This work is something EVgo budgets for and expects to do in order to maintain industry-leading performance, which we recognize is critical in maintaining driver confidence.
And as EVgo derives our revenues from operating charges, we remain fully aligned with our customers and shareholders in maximizing uptime.
In closing, we believe that not only is EVgo entering the rollout of the Federal Government's NEVI program with strong momentum and substantial progress, but also that EVgo is becoming the leader in the development of the federal government's program. We believe that EVgo will be the first step in the development of the federal government's Sword Artellen Act.
This weekend's Senate passage of the Inflation Reduction Act provides the EV sector with even stronger tailwinds.
Splated for a vote this Friday in the House, the new bill includes provisions that extend and advance Section 30C and 30D tax credits for EV charging infrastructure and EV purchases, respectively.
While we are still working our way through the particulars of the bill, it is clear these developments represent enhanced financial support for the industry and EVgo expects accelerated growth to arise from both greater EV sales and expanded funding for charging at the structure.
We're looking forward to providing more on this as program details are finalized in the coming days and weeks.
As one of the longest running, largest and most reliable public fast charging operators in the US, we cannot be more excited about the possibility of accelerating our growth, expanding our partnerships and helping to encourage the wider, faster adoption of EVs across America. And with that, I turn it over to Olga.
Thanks Kathy. I will start with a review of the key operational highlights before turning to our financial results followed by some additional details on the financial impact of the Pilot Flying J MGM partnership we have recently announced.
During the second quarter, we placed 170 stalls into operation in 17 different states.
The number of stalls in operation or under construction was 2,397 at the end of the second quarter with a total of 1,937 stalls being in operation and 460 under construction.
Our active engineering and construction development pipeline remains strong and increased from 3,344 stalls at the end of the first quarter to 3,669 at the end of the second.
Operational stall growth has picked up pace year to date, though some challenges remain on the utility side where we're still experiencing energization delays.
We do affirm our total stalls in operation or under construction guidance of 3000 to 3300 by the end of 2022.
in July .
We entered into a long-term supply agreement with Delta Electronics for the procurement of 350kW charges.
This agreement will provide charter supplies through 2026 and covers a substantial portion of our obligations under the new extend deal with Pilot and GM.
Network throughput was 10.1 gigawatt hours for the second quarter of 2022, an increase of 66% over the second quarter of 2021.
We benefited from Susanality as more consumers took to the road during the spring and summer period, continued growth in EV sales and rebounding ride share.
We expect the positive impact of seasonality to continue through the summer.
Our custom accounts increased by 18% versus the first quarter of this year.
and is now 444,000.
Turn in the financial results.
We reported 9.1 million of revenue in the second quarter of 2022.
which is an increase of 90% over the second quarter of 2021.
Charging revenue was $5.3 million, up 66% over the second quarter of last year.
Strengthen retail charging, which was up 76% year over year.
helped drive over half of the increase in overall revenue.
Regular to the credit sales were $2.1 million.
As a reminder, we expect regulatory credit sales growth to modulate in the third quarter as we sold off our existing bank of credit and will revert to business as usual.
Adjusted gross margin was 37.2% for the second quarter, reflecting the increased benefits of amortizing our fixed cost base over larger network throughput and acceleration of LCFS revenue recognition.
Overall, year-over-year adjusted gross margin increase was approximately 15 percentage points.
with roughly 9 percentage points of those added by LCFS acceleration.
We expect that to normalize and modulate starting in the third quarter.
Topics increased substantially to 44 million this quarter as we continue to accelerate the charger deployment.
General and administrative expense was consistent with ramping up personnel as needed to accommodate the growth.
We reported adjusted EBITDA of negative 19.8 million versus negative 11 million in Q2 2021, which was also consistent with the ramp in personnel growth and expenses associated with being a public company.
We ended the quarter with $372 million in cash and short-term investments and remain well capitalized at this time.
Turning to our new EVGO X10 partnership with Pilot company and General Motors.
The agreement calls for the construction of up to approximately 2,000 fast charging stalls primarily over the next few years at up to 500 pilot and fly-in-j locations across the United States.
We have not disclosed the terms of this deal, but I would like to draw your attention to the cash flow profile of our core developed own operate model.
versus the new Xtend model.
In the annual cash flow examples you see here, and this is for 2023 vintage projects in both cases.
The year zero cash flows are negative in the core developer on operate model, as you would expect.
due to the incurrence of capital expenditures and then turn positive in year 1 as the project goes iterational.
Those cash flows are recurring in nature and grow over the life of the project as more EVs are on the road, throughput increases and operating leverage is being realized.
For the extend model, EVgo sees positive cash flow immediately.
This is because our customer incurs the upfront capital expenditures, while EVgo generates margin as the developer and builder of the project.
as well as going forward as we earn ongoing revenues from providing operations, maintenance, networking and software integration services under the contract.
Introduction of Xtend helps optimize near-term utilization risk in corridor sites.
We expect this site will ramp in terms of utilization more slowly than our traditional urban sites. This is a very important point. We expect that the site will ramp in terms of utilization more slowly than our traditional
But at the same time,
Those are important locations to build EVDoR's presence as we improve national coverage.
We believe that these Xtend partnerships create long-term value for EVgo as they provide opportunity for long-term service cash flows, site expansion and refurbishment, and customer acquisition and retention.
Lastly, I would note that we are affirming our 2022 operational and financial guidance and look forward to sharing more updates as the year progresses.
As a final note, EVGo is now Form S3 eligible.
In accordance with customary market practice and with IWIGO's obligations under our registration rights agreement, subscription agreement, and warrant agreement, we intend to file an S3 shelf registration statement following the filing of our second quarter tank queue.
The Form S3 will register the sharers only by a controlling shareholder, other sharers entitled to registration rights, and provide us greater flexibility for potential primary issuances over time.
With this, I will conclude and turn the call over to the operator for questions.
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Our first question comes from the line of Gabe Dowd with Cowan. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for all the prepared remarks.
Kathy and Olga, I guess.
maybe just starting with revenue for this year. I know it's a
really inconsequential just given how early days we are here, but can you give us a little color or confidence?
Any ability to deliver on the on the steep ramp that's implied for the rest of this year?
Yeah, sure. I mean, Gabe, I would just sort of say we're tracking to our forecast.
So, you know, what we have taken account of is obviously the growth in EVs over time, the number of EVs that are coming to market, the seasonality factors. And again, we did bake in a little bit of the PFJ deal because, you know, we had been negotiating that late last year. So we knew that that was going to be part of the scheme. Olga, anything you want to add to that?
Yeah, I would concur that some of the CFJ revenues and some of the fleet contractual revenues are scheduled to kick in closer to a Q4 second half of the year. And that explains the
heavier load on the second half of the year versus what you see in the first year. But as with that, we're affirming our
forecast, our guidance at this time, and we are tracking towards it.
Okay, great. That's helpful. Maybe as a follow-up, thinking about
all the moving pieces on the policy front and extend obviously the pilot deal a pretty nice way to You know clinical extend the network, but just curious I guess how big of a contributor do you think? extend becomes particularly as
extend obviously the pilot deal a pretty nice way to you know quote-unquote extend the network but just curious I guess how big of a contributor do you think extend becomes particularly as
You know, NEVI in some spots, I think as you mentioned before, might not make the most sense to own and operate. So just trying to get a sense of how big Xtend can really be over the next, you know, call two to three years.
Well, Gabe, I think you've identified the key thing. I mean, the policy objective of NEVE first and foremost is to get national coverage with a focus on corridors and rural areas. And again, I think your forecast as well as ours, the expectation is that that's going to be kind of a – probably a slow burn for a while. So having seen this coming, we developed EVO extend and negotiated the pilot flag J deal which is substantial and it's just a great addition to our overall product mix, revenue mix.
earnings, all of that. So that's great. More probably is to come because you know Pilot Flying J is not the only entity that has quarters and rural presence and many of those rural gas station operators and those folks remain interested in participating in the electrification revolution and given EVgo's track record over 10 years of operating and network really really well we're very well placed to have that be a part of our business going forward.
As soon as we can tell you about specifics, we will. We look forward to talking about these good business development things when they get inked.
understood thanks everyone
Thank you.
Our next question comes on the line of Andre Shepherd with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, good morning and congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. Maybe to follow up a little bit from that first question, so in order to meet the guidance um
the revenue guidance for later this year. Can you talk about, do you anticipate some seasonality in Q3 and Q4 or?
Should that be heavier, concentrated? Any insight there would be helpful. Thank you.
Sure, so just to reiterate, our business is a business that is a business that is a business
our retail revenues from the drivers who drive around the EVs, it depends on seasonality, but it also depends on EVs getting sold. So we do expect some of the seasonality actually...
in the winter to the detriment but fall is neutral. So the summer is now the plane but mostly we expect to continue to ramp up to have more customers in our network as you have seen we just signed up roughly 67,000 of new customers this quarter in our network. We expect that to continue to ramp up and that drive and more revenues through the end of the year. But most importantly why our forecast is more heavily loaded.
towards the second half of the year is the kicking of certain contractual revenues by the end of Q3, beginning of Q4, namely from the new PFJ concept and some of the fleet contractual deals.
So there are two things happening at the same time here.
Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks, Holger. And maybe one last follow-up. So in regards to the NEVI program, I know this was just touched on, but...
So just to get it right, you've already conducted sessions with 36 states, submitted four more comments in 18 states.
The plans are expected to be confirmed later in September as well. I'm just wondering, can you give us any sense of what we can expect from your contact with the states? I know you're not guiding any numbers, but maybe a little bit of color. I know you've said Q422 or Q123. I'm just trying to see if we can maybe quantify that a little bit. Thanks.
Yeah, Andre, I'd like to provide quantities as well. It's actually, we can't do it. What we know is it's a big, giant amount of money that is absolutely going to start to flow at the earliest Q4 this year, but probably well and truly get moving to Q1 2023. The conversations, what we're really excited about is that our experience and our best practices documents and our conversations, we become kind of a thought leader for
state DOTs that are designing their programs. And that we're seeing as not only experience but willing to collaborate and cooperate. The fact that many of these programs are saying we're going to do competitive solicitations based on track record is really, really that puts EVgo in a kind of a pole position to get our share of that business where we want to go. So it's $5 billion over the next few years. For more information, visit our website.
they're going to be looking for companies that can actually deliver on what they say they're going to do. That is very much EVgo. We will be very, very active in bidding for that business. I mean, you do have to go ahead and bid for it because these are competitive solicitations, but we really well place. And if you look at the, you know, our history of being able to access funds from say Volkswagen's appendix B dealgate sediment, again, that should give you some confidence that that's going to just give us more forward momentum going into the implementation of the NEBI program. Thank you.
Got it. Fair enough. Thanks, Kathy, and congrats again on the quarter. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Thanks, Andres.
Our next question comes from the line of James West with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning Kathy Olga, Ted.
So Kathy, kind of a big picture question for me. So we've seen the move in interest rates and equity prices, and clearly there's been a change in cost of capital for the industry. You have a good number of competitors, and I'm using air quotes there, but a good number of competitors that are not well capitalized, and you guys are.
And so as you talk to potential customers today and you think about and they think about how they want to build out or work with or partner with charging providers, has that economic reality started to set in yet? Are they understanding that there's going to be a shake out here and there's winners, there's losers? The well capitalized guys are clearly the winners at this point, given the.
change in overall capital markets and cost of capital? Yeah, it's a great question James. I think it's probably there in the background as part of our sort of all of our B2B you know business development conversations. I mean the most important thing that we're finding is that that we've got a track record of delivery, right? Like so we've got blue ribbon partnerships that keep coming back for more. I mean our partnership with GM just keeps going from strength to strength to strength and Toyota coming across. I mean all of those
Those were sort of well in hand and we were delivering chargers that we needed to deliver and delivering customer benefits and everything else well before all of this sort of the capital market went completely just flew. But I would say probably, I mean if you're going to be doing business, the electrification of transportation is a – there's lots of near-term work but it's a medium-term game. So if you're going to want to be – you're going to want to partner with somebody that the chargers are going to be in the ground for 10 years or so, you're going to want to be partnering with somebody that's going to be able to manage those assets really.
doing business with other Blue Ship providers, and clearly, you'd be good with that.
Right, okay, okay that makes it together. Thanks for that. And then everyone for Olga, as you were talking through the utilization for the cash flow examples, I'm just curious, and I think you're now fairly cash flow positive at certain locations or certain areas in California, maybe Brooklyn, but what do you need? What is the utilization number or how should we think about the
the amount of EVs or however you think about it that we need to be cash flow positive on a kind of a per-location standpoint so that we can understand kind of how to model out each location when we go cash flow positive.
in our minds, a sign of obviously a value to those stalls.
Yeah, that's a good question and the answer will be it depends because the positivity of the cash flow in its location or in its geography, it depends on multiple factors. One is how many EVs are there, right? How many EVs are using EVGo as its network? What is the MUD density? So how many people are using public charging versus charging at home?
Do we have LCFS in this location or not, so California versus non-California? What is the energy cost environment? And energy costs, they range from as low as seven cents in Seattle to 40, 50 cents in the east coast of the country. So you have a variety of different factors. So it is very difficult to pinpoint a specific EV concentration number, but I'd say when aicoatia...
You're probably looking at utilizations as low as single digits where you could start seeing cash flow positivity in some of the better markets with LCFS presence and with lower energy costs. And then you probably need low double digits for kind of medium markets and then it goes up from there if you're really in the markets with high energy costs and no other incentives. So again, very hard to pinpoint to some averages just because of the diverse nature.
markets a bit and we will update the market with how that progresses. But again, hard to pinpoint the specific number.
within the country.
Okay, fair enough. Thanks, Kavi.
Thanks, Olga. Thanks, Kathy. Pleasure.
Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Greenwald with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, team. It's Alex Rabelon for Ryan. Unfortunately, he's tied up on something else. Just two quick ones that I wanted to ask on expense specifically. I mean, how would you think – I mean, I know you gave us some guidance sort of on the cash flow profile. How would you characterize the margin profile, though, sort of, bifurcating between the initial site development installation and then, you know, sort of, the recurring fee element, if you can find on that?
So let us first comment on our core business model. We underwrite to a minimum of a double-digit unlevered pre-tax IRR over the life of the asset because we put CapEx in and then we get investments back. So IRR is a concept we use to underwrite those. On the specific PFJ deal which we announced recently, we're not disclosing the terms of that.
you underwrite the overall cash flow generation to the company. So we have a bit of a different concept in here, but we keep the same quantum of what cash flow margin would like to get back. Got it, very helpful. And then just one more on the policy sort of landscape, if you will. I mean, how do you see the practicality of the, I guess, sort of revitalize section 30C tax credits, given location provision, no direct pay.
I mean, how do you guys see your capacity to sort of extract value from that going forward? Sounded positive but very curious if you can sort of parse that a little more for us.
Yeah, I actually think it is positive. So while there's no direct pay, it's also transferable. Right? So the transferability of a tax credit is actually, you know, if you look at other sectors, it's like it's not a real heavy lift. So I think that that is real value for us. The locations, they're places where we really definitely want to take advantage of that value because those are places that were it not for the tax credit, we might not be terribly interested in building. you
So I think that the provisions, the 30C provisions that are part of the inflation reduction act are likely to be material for us, enabling EVgo to extend our footprint and our reach over the next few years.
Got it. Thanks. I'll leave it there.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of David Kelly with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my question. Maybe a question on the step up in CapEx, just given your growth target. Should we assume the 44 million as the new baseline for future expansion or were there any kind of one-time impacts in the quarter?
So there are no one-time inputs on the quarter. It's a continuation of our efforts to build our network. We've guided the market to 3,000 to 3,300 stalls under construction or operational by the year end. And when we come out with the guidance for 2023, we will give that guidance again, we think. And that's what mostly drives the Cutbacks expansion is how many stalls we're about to run.
we will expand the network.
Okay, great. Thank you. And then maybe a question on PlugShare Premium and recognizing it's still very early days, but can you talk about the reception to the subscription and maybe how you're thinking about potential longer-term penetration within that growing 2.5 million registered subscriber base?
I'll start with a macro. We're really excited about the Plugshare platform. And as you kind of noted, all of the eyeballs that are on that. We spent a fair amount of time over the last 12 months investing in the build out of the platform and its capability to increase advertising reach. So we've actually increased, and again you need software infrastructure to be able to do that.
Our investment in that software capability has increased the ability to add impressions by 6x which is really great. At the same time, it's a customer curated community and we are mindful of some of the people, some of the 2.5 million eyeballs may not want advertising. And so that's what the invention of PlugShare Premium was all about. So provision of the ad-free environment for PlugShare users. And you're right, it's very very early days.
that was sort of at the behest of those things. Look, we love PlugShare, but we actually don't want to see ads, and we'll pay for that. So we will report back on the growth of that, but again, the early reception from that subset of the two and a half million pairs of eyeballs that are using PlugShare has been very positive.
Yeah, and I would add that we definitely saw an immediate ramp up measured in hundreds of people who had interest in trying that out.
What we also conceptually, philosophically, what we would like to do with Pluxip Premium is to add different features and maybe increase the price. So what that subscription is over time, but we will update the market when and how that will happen. It's the first step into the right direction here, and we already see positive response, meaning that people would like to use Premium products and pay for it. How the Premium product is going to be evolving over time, we will continue to provide updates, and we are personally quite excited.
How are you thinking about CapEx per stall trends? I know you've been experienced in a place where I think it's up quite a bit thus far this year, but as you look out and you have the Xtend program and all the things you're doing for GM, are you seeing any light at the end of the tunnel that some of these costs or cost per site should start coming down?
We definitely see the first signs of easements. So we are now looking at roughly $145,000 per stall in the second half of the year and mostly the increases associated with the inflation on the labor parts. And we have started...
wide range of different initiatives to abate that and find savings elsewhere, obviously on the labor component. It's difficult. Labor is not getting any cheaper, but we can be smarter than that. And some of the things we're doing, we're getting better practice and equipment. We can say as much and we spoke about the new contract with Delta in our earnings script. So that is quite positive and we continue to see positive effect with the rise in competition than that.
just the rising volume in the industry. So we are beneficiaries of equipment prices being under pressure here. But we are also how we organize and how we're thinking about which sites to build. We're prioritizing sites with shorter utility runs and we're working on a couple of other efficiency innovations for some of them.
We are looking at closer to midyear and next year. We already see quite a bit of improvement in CAPEX, but we will update the market once we're closer to that. So definitely see some percent of improvement here. But yet what I would like to highlight that inflation – high inflation environment continues to persist as everybody knows. So we will work hard to get savings in a couple of places I mentioned, but at the same time we're under pressure for.
those pieces, such as labor, for example, and some other equipment other than actual charger where we will continue to experience pressure from rising pricing environment.
Thanks for that. Invented your full year guidance, I'm curious, where are you expecting LCFS credit to trend I guess in the second half of the year? What is the expectation?
Yeah, we are expecting them staying flat. We traded, the last time we traded, we traded at roughly $95 per credit. We expect that to stay flat through year-end. Well, that's to be seen if that works out. We are.
We are exposed to velotility and LCFS presence.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Noel Parks with TUI. Please proceed with your question.
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Good morning.
I just have a couple of things I wanted to ask about. You were talking earlier about your extensive testing program. I think you mentioned 250 chargers that you had tested. And I was just wondering for the expanding set of equipment vendors out there, I'm just wondering from your perspective, are product capabilities aligning pretty well with I guess both what's most important to you guys on the demand side and also as far as...
pricing, or interested in how you see the current and coming crops of devices out there.
Yeah, I love this question. So one of the reasons we, EVgo's Innovation Lab is just so, so important to success and we make that available, not only to all the OEMs, the car companies, but also to all the charging companies.
So it ends up being in the central repository where we test all the chargers that are coming to the market and we test them with all the cars that are either on the market or coming to the market. It's a big giant ecosystem party to make sure that it's all going well. I will tell you that every single brand new car that comes to market, like the automotive engineers are so excited about it and they look really cool, but I was thinking, our CTO, we asked them on this call, what percentage of cases does the car work with all the chargers? Right when it dries up to the lab the very first time.
And then we begin the testing procedures at our lab, which are the hardware, the firmware, the software, and then testing it with lots of different vehicles that are available. So that's all to say, we're very excited about the industry's capability to meet our exacting standards to be able to create great driver experiences, but that's a lot of hard work. It's our work, it's work that we're involved in, and it's work that we're partnering with both the vendors and the OEMs on, and it's gonna stay.
out there as far as the ultimate potential, you know, not everyone has a garage and and I'm just as curious on Very special characteristics to the contracts For that market that you you're devising or is it pretty similar to there to any commercial setting?
Well, yeah, no, this is, what's unusual about this is that the, look, 30% of Americans don't have access to home charging because they don't have a garage, they don't have a carport or something like that. So if you want the entire country to go electric as we do expect to happen over the next 10, 15, 20 years, then you're going to have to be able to have to provide access to this charging. The apartment dwellers, again, the rebuttal presumption had been that you've got to put L2 into these apartment buildings, right? Because people are going to be there all night.
But what's innovative about this approach in California is like, well, actually, what if there were convenient fast charging and that people could just come and do 15 to 30 minutes at a shot, maybe that's even more convenient and more cost effective then going in and trying to wire parking garages and apartment buildings. And so that's what's very, very exciting about this. So we are hopeful that we're going to be able to enable a new capacity for these apartments as well as to conveniently charge near their homes.
quickly. And we think that will work. So that's what that $3.6 million California grant is about. And I'm sure the rest of the country is going to be watching for the results of that as they think too about how are we going to make it easy for apartment dwellers to charge close to home. And we don't necessarily want to go into the basements of garages or apartments that don't even have garages which is another possibility. So we are excited about this. Good use of urban footprints to have fast charging rather than tying up whole parking lots for overnight charging.
Right, yeah thanks, it's fascinating trying to sort of game out exactly how all these different sectors are going to evolve, so thanks for that insight.
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Our next question comes from the line of Oliver Hung with Tutor Pickering Halt. Please proceed with your question. Finally susan i Oliver
Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking my questions. Just a quick follow-up to the CapEx question from earlier. Besides the ramp-up being a primary driver, are there any details with respect to how much of the increase is due to increasing of charger output capacity side materially, or any decreases to capital cost incentives or offsets when kind of compared to recent quarters?
So let me just clarify, there are no capital offsets in that $44 million number. It's a pure CapEx. So it's a gross CapEx. All the capital offsets they sit in a different spot on a cash flow statement. So every time you'll see us reporting CapEx, there will be actual CapEx we put into the ground, so amount of equipment and labor and whatnot. And so…
Most of that ramp up is just acceleration of speed at which we're constructing. And of course, we see a bit of an increase in the per stall capex and it drives that a little bit, but if you really kind of dissect in between the price and quantity, here quantity is an overwhelming factor we are constructing at a much, much higher pace than we're used to.
Okay, that's helpful. And for my second question, just with respect to OEM network revenue, understand that this should really start to kick up in the back half the year and into next year from your earlier comments. But anything incremental to provide there to help us better understand the trajectory of that specific line item on a go-forward basis, just kind of give them the imminent timing of various EV models come in the market that you all have agreements with. And would this inflow be something that we should expect to be fairly lumpy at the next hit? Yeah. Okay.
So, let me clarify some of the earlier comments. They were related to the PFJ contract, which will be more end of the revenue or extended revenue reported separately, and some of the fleet contracts, which will fit in the fleet revenue. We do not expect much of a ramp up of OEM noncharging revenue. There are amortizations of Nissan and GM contract prepayments, and they happen in
So it's been complicated, it counts in those, but those amortizations are tied to how many cars of those particular.
OEMs are on the road and over time they will ramp up but we don't see much of a lumpiness this year so for near term you could just assume kind of a continuation of the trend you see now.
Okay, awesome. Thanks for the call.
Our next question comes from the line of Ahit Mendoli with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good afternoon Marie, I'm Maria from California. Thanks for the question, here. Maybe quickly just on the charging volumes. Maybe quickly just on the charging volumes.
Hey, good afternoon Marie, my name is Maria from Gellithray. Thanks for the question. Could you quickly just sum the charging volumes through but...
to see if ramp embedded in for Q3Q4 here. Could you talk about that, like what's driving that visibility? I'm going to resolve 30% jump in Q2 sequentially. Is that something we should expect for Q3Q4 as well? And or does it include any of the PFJ? And or does it include any of the PFJ?
Keep a watch out as well. Thanks.
Do you mind trying to find what line item is your question about? Sorry I missed it.
How's the throughput, the 50 to 60 gigawatt hours for the full year?
It kind of implies almost 19 gigawatt hours run rate in Q3 and Q4.
Yeah, so the PFJ kilowatt hours won't be included in that we expect some ramp up on both retail and fleet sites. That would drive the increase. Gotcha. And this is just the revenue here, like the somewhat flattish over here, quarter over quarter. Anything specific on that end? Like do we see a similar makeshift in the second half or what drove that flattish charging revenues? Yeah, I think so.
Well, charging revenues when 20% sequentially quarter over quarter wouldn't necessarily define it as flattish.
Or maybe I do misunderstand your question because we definitely saw quite a bit of a growth in our charge in revenue in Q2 versus Q1.
that's in themy warriors looking around us 500 and just of the judge I think yeah a that I all follow yeah I villages in Q2 versus 4.0.
3.4 million in Q1 so we do see close to 20% of the ramp up.
Gotcha. And just last one for me on the regulatory credit. Any
On the timing of the inventory sale I saw in Q2, any reasons behind it and do you have any more left in inventory now?
Yeah, so we don't have any more left. So the reason was, and we spoke about it a couple times, but it's a complicated matter, so I'm very glad we raised that. So we switched in the beginning of this year, we switched to a third party handling our LCFS trading, and that allowed us to recognize the revenue from LCFS as it occurs, versus six months' left. So what we did previously, we would...
We incur our kilowatt hours, get all surface credits and trade them six months after the event of generating those kilowatt hours occur. So we switched to immediate generation. So for the first six months of this year we recognized the revenue as it occurred. So there will be kilowatt hours generated on California Network translated into how many credits and we recognized revenue according to that. And then we had six months worth of LTFS credits left from the old recognition.
fixed pricing or duration or any color would be appreciated. Thanks a lot.
Sure. It mostly covers our PFJ deal for the first phase of this relationship. And the deal does assume a fixed price and covers up to 1,000 charges, aka 2,000 stalls because of the power share configurations. And the deal is set up until 2026. We will be working on other supply agreements and we will update the markets once that's possible.
But that's the first in a row. That's an answer. Really appreciate the color. And thanks for your questions.
Our next question comes from the line of Craig Irwin with Ross Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions.
So, Kathy, I wanted to ask specifically about your mix of 50 kilowatt units on the network.
So it's around two-thirds of the 2,400 units that you have out there. Is there any commitment to installing 50-kilowatt units going forward? And can you maybe talk about the budget to retrofit these to higher capacity units? What sort of plans do you have? What's the capability of retrofitting these units at the existing sites that you have out there? And is there anything else we should consider when we look at these lower power units?
Yeah, thanks, Craig. Look, as I think I mentioned in our last call, our standard configuration now is 350, right, because the market is moving toward 350s and we're skating ahead of the puck there, so we are putting in 350s everywhere. We have, because we've been around for a dozen years, and again, when I got to EZDO nearly five years ago, 50 kilowatts was considered fast charging. It is still fast compared to obviously a level two and a lot of people use it, but we are gay and crazy right now there. In the fall, margin, mainly fiendulse, allcrz, extreme rider drivers, allcrz, allcrz, allcrz swings, and you have allcrz with your cou based of Virginia Tech, allcrz unified with you a lot of different
ahead, we will only be putting in much higher power ultrafast chargers. With respect to the replacement, it's interesting. In those old days when you would put in one 50-kilowatt charger or two 50-kilowatt chargers, you could do it without any sort of utility upgrade, any transformer upgrade. You often were on the host meter because, again, there was excess capacity at that site level. So that made those projects in some ways easier to do without getting the utilities involved in a major way.
What we are doing now is we're looking across our entire network at
in the cases where we have 50s, is it possible to upgrade them and upgrade them efficiently? Or is it actually more effective and more efficient to simply go and build more capacity in those areas? And that's something that our COO, Dennis, is taking a good look at. We've got our program, which is the replacement program for old chargers, where it's possible to do it. But if the replacement is going to involve lots and lots of utility upscaling and digging and everything else, then maybe it just makes more sense to build more in a location with proximity. Because there are a number of people are still using the efficiency.
And if that compares to Electrify America, you know, just under 750, you know,
How long has this been a priority for you? Is this a priority that was established in the last year? Or is this something that, you know, is a building piece of momentum as far as the installs?
I'm not sure, what are you asking specifically about what's been a priority?
Yeah, so you have a much smaller proportion of your fleet in 350s, right, than your primary competitor out there. Your primary competitor has just under 750, 350-kilowatt fast chargers out there. You have 125. I'm just wondering sort of when the priority moves for EVO to being committed to 350-kilowatt units, right? It's a very small piece of your fleet. And what portion of the pipeline or the capital budget out there is committed to 350s? Is it everything? Is it 10%? The pipe?
in it.
Great, thanks for taking my questions.
Yep.
If there are no further questions in the queue, I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing remarks. Thank you all for joining us. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Thank you for joining us today.
I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing remarks. Thank you all for joining us. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Go ahead, Ken.
No, no, go for it again, sorry. No, look, thanks for joining us guys, and we're looking forward to keeping in touch, and if we don't speak before the next quarter, we'll have lots of progress ahead.
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