Q3 2022 Ameren Corp Earnings Call - Tentative
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Megan Mcphail.
Manager of Investor Relations for Ameren Corporation.
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Mr Mcfall you.
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Thank you and good morning on.
On the call with me today are Marty Lyons, our president and Chief Executive Officer.
Michael <unk>, our executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
As well as other members of the Ameren management team.
Marty and Michael will discuss our earnings results and guidance as well as provide a business update.
Then we will open the call for questions.
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Lastly, all per share earnings amounts discussed during today's presentation, including earnings guidance.
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Now, here's martie, who will start on page four.
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Thanks, Meghan good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us.
I'm pleased to report that we continue to execute on our strategic plan across each of our business segments delivering significant value to our customers and shareholders, while remaining focused on safety.
At the start of the year, we laid out some key initiatives we were focused on.
As I sit here today I can confidently say that we have been able to deliver on these through strong execution of our plan.
Starting with Ameren, Missouri in February our new Ameren, Missouri Electric service rates took effect as a result of our recent rate review, which was constructively settled at the end of last year.
In June we filed a change to our integrated resource plan accelerating our planned clean energy investments carbon emission reduction goals and our plan to achieve net zero by 2045.
The mid continent independent system, operator, or MISO approved a portfolio of long range transmission projects, including significant projects in our operating footprint and.
And in August Senate, Bill 745 was enacted in Missouri, extending the constructive smart energy plan legislation that became law in 2018 out through 2028 with possible extension to 2033.
I am pleased to say as a result of these developments in 2022, we were able to increase our 10 year investment opportunity pipeline from $40 billion to $48 billion.
Further in our Ameren, Illinois electric distribution business in September the Illinois, Commerce Commission or ICC approved constructive performance metrics, which keep us on track to file a multiyear rate plan next January .
And finally at the federal level passage of the inflation reduction Act will support the clean energy transition, reducing the cost of related infrastructure investments for our customers in both Missouri and Illinois.
I would like to express appreciation for all the hard work of the entire amarin team to advance these important achievements.
Additionally, I'd like to recognize our team's strong commitment to the communities we serve.
This year, we named our first chief sustainability diversity, and philanthropy officer to further optimize our ESG impact in October she convened more than 1000, Ameren team members and community leaders in person and virtually for a diversity and inclusion summit featuring many nationally recognized.
The leaders and speakers.
Does of actions like this in May Ameren was recognized for the third time is diversity Inc's top rated utility and made the overall top utilities lift for the 14th consecutive year.
Another example of our team's commitment to our communities is our recently concluded 2022, companywide, United way campaign, which raised approximately $1 $7 million funds, which will go a long way towards supporting approximately 50, United way organizations in our service territory.
This is in addition to the nearly $2 $6 billion of United Way contribution made by Ameren again. Thank you for all you do.
Moving now to quarterly results yesterday, we announced third quarter 2022 earnings of $1 74 per share compared to earnings of $1 65 per share in the third quarter of 2021.
The year over year improvement reflected increased infrastructure investments across all of our business segments that will drive significant long term benefits for our customers.
This page highlights the key drivers of our strong performance.
Due to strong execution of our strategy, we have narrowed our 2022 earnings guidance to a range of $4 to $4 15 per share.
This compares to our initial guidance range of $3 95 per share to $4 15 per share.
Michael will discuss our third quarter earnings 2022 earnings guidance and other related items in more detail.
Moving to page five you will find our strategic plan reiterated we continued to invest in and operate our utilities in a manner consistent with existing regulatory frameworks enhanced regulatory frameworks and advocate for responsible energy and economic policies.
And create and capitalize on opportunities for investment for the benefit of our customers shareholders and the environment.
Turning now to page six which highlights our commitment to the first pillar of our strategy investing in and operating our utilities in a manner consistent with existing regulatory frameworks.
Our strong long term earnings growth guidance is primarily driven by our infrastructure investment and rate base growth plans, which are supported by constructive regulatory frameworks.
As you can see on the right side of this page consistent with our plans for 2022, we are strategically investing significant capital in each of our business segments in order to maintain safe and reliable operations as we transition to a cleaner energy grid.
These investments are the key drivers of our ongoing Ameren, Missouri, and Ameren, Illinois rate reviews.
Our energy grid is smarter stronger more resilient safer and more secure because of the investments we've been able to make in all four of our business segments.
At Ameren, Missouri as a result of the significant investments we've been making under the smart energy plan, we estimate over six and a half million minutes of customer outages have been avoided in 2022.
As always while we invest to build a smarter stronger safer and cleaner energy grid for our customers. We continue to work diligently to manage our costs leverage our investments and optimize our performance.
Moving now to page seven in the second pillar of our strategy enhancing regulatory frameworks and advocating for responsible energy and economic policies.
As I mentioned, the inflation reduction act or IRR was enacted in August which among other things is designed to help reduce the cost of the clean energy transition.
We are very pleased with the results as it provides tax credits for wind solar and nuclear energy Center's energy storage carbon capture utilization and storage and hydrogen developments.
The incentives in the IRI aligned well with our Missouri integrated resource plan and our Ameren wide goal of reaching net zero carbon emissions by 2045.
Overall, the IRA will enhance affordability of the clean energy transition for our customers in Missouri, and Illinois, Mike.
Michael will discuss the expected impacts of the IRA in more detail in a moment.
Before moving on I would also like to briefly touch on the infrastructure investment and jobs Act or a J a that was enacted earlier this year.
We are actively collaborating with stakeholders in Missouri, and Illinois towards accessing benefits of the federal funding provided through this act for our customers in.
In July we announced our collaboration with local businesses and community groups academic institutions and various companies to form the greater St. Louis and Illinois regional clean hydrogen hub industrial cluster.
This group is collaborating on infrastructure development and innovative technology deployment needed to drive de carbonization goals and collectively achieve greenhouse gas emission reductions for the region by 2035.
The JA established an $8 billion competitive program with the intent to fund six to eight regional hydrogen hubs across the country and provides for an additional $8 $5 billion program for development of carbon capture and storage technologies.
By next spring, our regional hydrogen cluster expects to apply for funding through the program to take part in advancing this potential renewable energy source for our region.
Turning to page eight.
At the state level, our customers are benefiting as a result of Ameren Missouri's Smart energy plan.
Your effort to strengthen and modernize the energy grid.
As I just mentioned, Missouri Senate Bill 745 passed earlier this year and became effective in August enhancing and extending the sunset date on the current smart energy plan legislation through December 31, 2028, with an extension through December 31, 2000, 2033, if the utility <unk>.
Quest and the PSC approves.
We believe extending Missouri's smart energy plan will continue to benefit our customers and communities as we transform the energy grid of today to build a brighter energy future for generations to come while creating significant economic development and jobs in the state.
Moving now to page nine and an update on the Illinois energy legislation enacted in 2021.
By January 'twenty 2023, we plan to file a multiyear rate plan with the ICC for electric delivery service rates effective at the beginning of 2024.
In late September the ICC approved seven performance metrics, which will result in up to 24 symmetrical basis points of potential adjustments to the allowed return on equity under the multiyear rate plan.
These performance metrics have been designed to incentivize improvement in areas, such as reliability supplier diversity affordability and customer service as we continued to make significant investments in the state of Illinois for the benefit of our customers and communities.
Turning to page 10, and the third pillar of our strategy, creating and capitalizing on opportunities for investment for the benefit of our customers shareholders and the environment.
Here, we provide an update on the MISO long range transmission planning process.
As we have discussed with you in the past MISO completed a study outlining the potential roadmap of transmission investments through 2039, taking into consideration the rapidly evolving generation mix that includes significant additions of renewable generation based on announced utility integrated resource plans state mandates.
And goals for clean energy or carbon emission reductions among other things.
In July MISO approved tranche, one a set of projects located in MISO, north, which it estimates to cost approximately $10 billion.
Approximately $1 8 billion of these projects are in our service territory and have been assigned to Ameren.
Preliminary design work and project planning are already underway.
Construction is expected to begin in 2025 with completion dates expected near the end of this decade.
In addition to the assigned projects MISO approved approximately $700 million of competitive projects. The cross through our Missouri service territory, which provide additional potential investment opportunities.
Request for proposals for the two competitive projects in our service territory are expected to be released in December 2022, and March 2023.
Once released we expect a proposal and evaluation process to take approximately 12 months.
We are well positioned to complete compete for and successfully execute these projects.
Given their location and our expertise constructing operating and maintaining large regional transmission projects.
<unk> continues its work on future tranches and has indicated that an initial set of tranche. Two projects also located in MISO North is expected to be approved in the second half of 2023.
Projects included in tranche three are expected to be located in MISO south with approval scheduled by the end of 2024, while projects identified in tranche four.
Are expected to improve transfer capability between MISO, north and MISO, South and will be studied upon approval of tranche three.
Turning to page 11.
Looking ahead over the next decade, we have a robust pipeline of investment opportunities that will deliver significant value to all of our stakeholders by making our energy grid smarter stronger and cleaner.
As a result of the long range transmission projects, just discussed as well as the additional renewables and combined cycle generation included in the change to the AARP filed in June we increased our pipeline of investment opportunities to $48 billion over the next decade.
We expect to update and roll forward, our five year capital plan on our year end call in February and as always we will evaluate all of our opportunities across all business segments to ensure we maximize value for our customers and shareholders.
When determining the timing of our projects, we remain mindful of portfolio diversification in both technology, and geography workforce and supply chain capacity and the impacts to grid reliability, while aggressively managing costs.
Maintaining constructive energy policies that support robust investment in energy infrastructure, and a transition to a cleaner future in a responsible fashion will be critical to meeting our country's energy needs in the future and delivering on our customers' expectations.
Moving now to page 12.
We are focused on delivering a sustainable energy future for our customers communities and our country.
This page summarizes our strong sustainability value proposition and focus on environmental social governance and sustainable growth goals.
The change to the Ameren, Missouri filed in June supports a 60% reduction in carbon emissions by 2030, and an 85% reduction by 2040 compared to 2005 levels and our goal of net zero carbon emissions by 2045 is consistent with the objectives of the Paris agreement.
And Liberty global temperature rise to one five degrees Celsius.
Importantly, our energy policy advocacy and investment plans align with these goals.
In terms of governance in October the CPA Zealand index once again named Ameren, one of the top three companies in the utility industry for corporate political disclosures and accountability.
We also remain focused on supporting our communities, including utilizing our very robust supplier diversity program to help ensure we execute on an equitable clean energy transition.
And we remain committed to helping our customers keep their bills as low as possible through robust energy efficiency programs and energy assistance for those in need.
Lastly, our strong sustainable growth proposition remains among the best in the industry.
We have a robust pipeline of future investments that will continue to modernize the grid and enable the transition to a cleaner energy future.
Encourage you to take some time to read more about our strong sustainability value proposition you can find our ESG related reports at Ameren investors Dot com.
Turning to page 13.
To sum up our value proposition, we remain firmly convinced that the execution of our strategy in 2022 and beyond will deliver superior value to our customers shareholders and the environment.
In February we issued our current five year growth plan, which included our expectation of a 6% to 8% compound annual growth rate.
Earnings growth rate from 2022 through 2026.
This earnings growth is primarily driven by strong rate base growth supported by strategic allocation of infrastructure investment to each of our operating segments based on their constructive regulatory frameworks.
We expect ameren future dividend growth to be in line with our long term earnings per share growth expectations, and a payout ratio range of 55% to 70%.
In February 2020 to Ameren Board of directors last increased the quarterly dividend by <unk>, <unk> or 59, $2 59 per share or approximately 7%.
We plan to deliver strong long term earnings and dividend growth, which results in an attractive total return that compares favorably with our regulated utility peers.
Im confident in our ability to execute our investment plan and strategy across all four of our business segments. As we have an experienced and dedicated team to get it done.
Again, thank you all for joining us today, and I will now turn the call over to Michael.
Thanks, Marty and good morning, everyone yesterday, we reported third quarter 2022 earnings of $1 74 per share compared to $1 65 per share for the year ago quarter.
Page 15 summarizes key drivers impacting earnings each segment.
I'd like to take a moment to highlight a few key variances for the quarter.
Earnings at Ameren, Missouri, our largest segment benefited from higher electric service rates, which became effective on February 28 2022.
The increase in <unk> was partially offset by higher O&M driven in part by unfavorable market returns in 2022 on company owned life insurance investments.
Earnings at our remaining three business segments were higher primarily driven by increased investments in infrastructure. In addition to a higher allowed return on equity at Ameren, Illinois Electric distribution.
Before moving on I will touch on year to date sales trends for Ameren, Missouri.
And Ameren, Illinois electric distribution.
Weather normalized kilowatt hour sales to Missouri residential customers for comparable versus the prior year and sales to commercial customers increased about 1%.
Weather normalized kilowatt hour sales to Missouri industrial customers decreased about 1%.
Weather normalized kilowatt hour sales to Illinois residential customers decreased about 1% and sales to commercial and industrial customers increased about one 5% and 1% respectively.
Recall that changes in electric sales in Illinois, no matter the cause do not affect our earnings since we have full revenue decoupling.
Turning to page 16, I would now like to briefly touch on our 2022 earnings guidance. We've delivered strong earnings in the first nine months of 2022 and are well positioned to finish the year strong.
As Marty stated we have narrowed our 2022 diluted earnings guidance to be in the range of $4 to $4 15 per share.
This is a comparison to our original guidance range of $3 95 to.
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Select earnings considerations for the balance of the year are listed on this page in our supplemental to the key drivers and assumptions discussed on our earnings call in February .
As we reflect on our full year results the benefits we've seen from weather year to date and from higher than expected 30 year Treasury rates are mostly offset by company owned life insurance investments performance as well as higher than expected short term and long term borrowing rates.
Turning now to page 17 for an update on regulatory matters, starting with Ameren, Missouri in August we filed for a $316 million.
Electric revenue increased with the Missouri Public Service Commission.
The request, which was driven by and by increased infrastructure investments under the Smart Energy plan includes a 10, 2% return on equity a 51, 9% equity ratio and a December 31, 2022 estimated rate base of $11 $6 billion.
In October we supplement our filing to request a tracker for the benefits and costs, resulting from the inflation reduction Act.
The Missouri, PSC staff and other Interveners are expected to file direct testimony in January 2023 with hearings scheduled for early April 2023.
We expect a Missouri PSC decision by June 2023, and new rates to be affected by July one 2023, we look forward to our continued work with all key stakeholders on this request moving.
Moving to page 18 in Ameren, Illinois regulatory matters earlier. This year, we made our required annual electric distribution rate update filing.
Under Illinois performance based rate, making these annual rate update systematically adjust cash flows overtime for changes in cost of service and true up any prior period over or under recovery of such cost.
In August the ICC staff update of the recommendation to reflect a $61 million base rate increase compared to our updated request of $84 million base rate increase the $23 million variance is primarily driven by a difference in the capital structure common equity ratio as we have proposed 54% compared to the ICC staff.
<unk> recommended to 50%.
For perspective, the order received from the ICC last December included a common equity ratio of 51%.
An ICC decision is expected in December with new rates to be effective in January 2023.
Finally, we expect to file a new rate review with the ICC for our Ameren, Illinois natural gas business in early 2023, using a forward test year ending December 31 2024.
Turning now to page 19, as Marty mentioned, we're pleased with the inflation reduction act, which enhances affordability of the clean energy transition for our customers in both Missouri and Illinois.
We currently estimate based on the clean energy investments outlined in the preferred plan included an unchanged Ameren Missouri's ERP that the production tax credits provided for in the legislation will yield more than $1 billion in net benefits by 2032 savings.
Saving our Ameren, Missouri customers, an average of more than 4% per year over that period of time as compared to what they would have paid.
We expect our Illinois customers and see the benefits from the legislation overtime to reduce power purchase cost.
Further as we sit here today, we do not expect the corporate minimum tax of 15% on adjusted financial statement and come to apply in 2023.
Incremental annual cash payments due to the corporate minimum tax beyond 2023 are not expected to be material.
And finally, we are assessing our ability to utilize that 10% production or investment tax credit or preceding projects at existing energy communities, including retired coal fired energy centers.
Moving to page 20, we provide a financing update we continue to feel very good about our financial position, we were able to successfully execute on several debt issuances early this year, which are outlined on this page.
In order to maintain a strong balance sheet, while we fund our robust infrastructure plan consistent with the guidance in February we expect to issue approximately $300 million of common equity in both 2022 and 2023.
We're very pleased to say that through our aftermarket equity program. We have now fulfill these equity needs executed through the forward sales agreements with an average initial forward sales price of approximately $90 and we expect to issue approximately $3 4 million and $3 2 million common shares upon settlement by year end 2022 and 2023.
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Having substantially utilized $750 million of capacity under our existing ATM program, we expect to increase the existing program by approximately $1 billion to address the equity needs in 2024 and beyond.
Moving to page 21 in light of the recent rising interest rate interest rate environment. We have provided our long term debt maturities remaining through 2026, we have just $47 million of long term debt maturing later this year at Ameren, Missouri, and $100 million of long term debt at Ameren, Illinois maturing in 2023.
All of our long term debt is at fixed rates and variable rate debt is limited to commercial paper borrowings.
It's also important to note that a portion of the interest cost is also capitalized in the normal course as it related that supports construction work in progress.
I'd also like to note we received recovery of any changes in interest expense in our Illinois, Ameren, Illinois electric distribution and Ameren transmission businesses through the reconciliation process.
Further we have some favorable exposure at the Ameren, Illinois electric distribution return on equity as it's tied to the 30 year treasury rate through 2023.
Changes in the long term and short term debt cost at Ameren, Missouri, and Ameren, Illinois natural gas will be incorporate into rate reviews for recovery over time, which includes the true up of the cost of capital as of December 31, 2022, and the current Ameren, Missouri.
Electric rate review.
We're mindful that changes in interest rates and we remain focused on managing cost for our customers turning to page 22, I would like to briefly touch on our natural gas business as we head into the winter months.
We recognize the inflationary environment customers are facing we are working to keep bills as low as possible and provide energy savings programs for our customers. We're actively working with customers in both Missouri, and Illinois to help them gain access to funds available through low income home energy assistance grants and other energy assistance funds. In addition to our energy efficiency programs.
Sales on these customer assistance programs and the energy efficiency programs can be found on our web site at Ameren Dot com.
Both Ameren, Illinois, and Ameren, Missouri natural gas commodity prices are approximately 85% hedged based on normal seasonal sales and a 100% of Ameren, Illinois natural gases volumetric, we hedge based on maximum seasonal sales from a customer bill perspective residential NASA natural gas customers in Illinois, and Missouri, I expected to see bill increases.
Approximately 4% and 14% respectively compared to the 2021 2022 winter season.
Turning to page 23, we plan to provide 2023 earnings guidance. When we released fourth quarter results in February next year.
Using our 2022 guidance as a reference point, we have listed on this page select items to consider as you think about our earnings outlook for next year.
Beginning with Missouri earnings are expected to be higher in 2023, when compared to 2022 due to new electric service rates effective in late February 2022, and the new electric service rates expected to be affected by July 2023, as a result of the pending rate review.
We also expect increased investments in infrastructure eligible for plant in service accounting to positively impact earnings.
Further we expect earning energy efficiency performance incentives to be approximately <unk> <unk> per share lower in 2023 compared to 2022.
A return to normal weather in 2023 would decrease Ameren, Missouri earnings by approximately <unk> 11, compared to 2022 results date, assuming normal weather in the last quarter of the year.
Next earnings from our FERC regulated electric transmission activities are expected to benefit from additional investments in Ameren, Illinois projects made under forward looking formula Ratemaking.
For Ameren, Illinois Electric distribution earnings are expected to.
The benefit in 2023 compared to 2022 from additional infrastructure investments made everything, Illinois performance based ratemaking the.
The allowed ROE under the Formula will be the average $2023 30 year Treasury yield plus five 8%.
Ameren, Illinois natural gas earnings are expected to benefit from an increase in infrastructure investments qualifying for rider treatment that will earn the current allowed Roe of 967%.
And finally I will note consistent with past practices are 2023 earnings guidance will include no expectation on coli gains or losses.
Turning to page 24 to summarize we continue to expect to deliver strong earnings growth in 2022, as we successfully execute our strategy as we look to the longer term. We continue to expect strong earnings per share growth driven by robust rate base growth and disciplined cost management. Further we believe this growth will compare favorably with the growth of our regulated utility peers. The bottom line is.
We are well positioned to continue executing our plan and Ameren shares continue to offer investors an attractive dividend in total we have an attractive total shareholder returns during that compares very favorably to our peers that concludes our prepared remarks, we now invite your questions.
Thank you.
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With bank of America.
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Hey, guys. Good morning. This is very sad for Julien. Thank you for taking the questions.
Hi, Good morning wanted to start off at Illinois Gas Act.
<unk> that you guys have a filing a planned filing later in 2003, just curious with the pending sunset a bad Q IP writer, how youre thinking about potential.
Forward looking cadence of filings or potentially a.
Is there any appetite that you foresee for some kind of legislative solution may be akin to the multi year rate plans that are now available on the electric side of things just curious how youre thinking about that at a high level.
Yeah perfect. Good morning. This is Michael I'll start and Marty can certainly supplement.
We haven't really said exactly what our future cadence will be you are correct that the <unk> IP is set to sunset at the end of 'twenty three and so we are indicating we're going to file a case here and it'll it'll be effective under the CIP for the balance of 2023.
The thing to keep in mind as you step back and you look at the Illinois.
Gas regulations, I mean, it's still very constructive even absent the <unk> I'll come back to that but there is a forward test year.
Rates are decoupled bad debt tracker et cetera, I mean, there are some real positives with respect to what goes on there, but the team again still look at the opportunities. There I mean, we may have to have a different cadence if it were.
Ultimately expire, but there could be an appetite to extend something at some point, we just really haven't engaged in those conversations at the moment, but we feel like absent even getting an extended there are certainly ways to continue to manage that business very constructively going forward.
Anything to add.
Michael that was well said I would just say that as we look ahead to our gas business, we certainly see the opportunity and frankly need for continued investment in our infrastructure to ensure the safe and reliable for our customers I think that the <unk> IP.
That we've had.
Over time that infrastructure mechanism has really provided some.
Good benefits for customers as we think about what it's enabled in terms of a timely investment in the system. So as Michael said that we will certainly utilize the forward test year capabilities that we have under Illinois law today and continue to consider along with other stakeholders.
Whether a replacement for <unk> IP.
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Something that we can.
Introduced in the future or not we will we'll see thank you.
Great. Thank you for that I appreciate the color.
One more if I can and this is on the 'twenty 'twenty three earnings considerations I realize it's not formal guidance or fully exhaustive, but I noticed the O&M is not included in one of the drivers are you planning to or are you managing to flat year over year and maybe that's why it's not included on that list because.
It wont move the needle one way or the other on is it EPS driver or just how are you thinking about that cadence.
Yes.
The question there too.
Historically, we really haven't given O&M guidance, especially as you think about some of these ongoing rate reviews, which makes it a little bit complicated at the end of the day.
I would tell you that we continue to stay very focused on on O&M itself and if you look at kind of our year to date results and I think Missouri is a good example.
But you back out obviously some of this noise with Callie and some of the refined coal that got caught up in the rate review I mean, we really manage that to about one 5% one 7% sort of increase so I think the team has done a great job from a core perspective, we have made comments before that we continue to aspire to being flat.
Over the time horizon as we look out over the five year plan.
You look at historically, where we've been I think we've shared a couple of these slides in the past I think maybe the 16 through 'twenty. One period was the last time, we were actually down over that period of time so.
I always look to make it really a non driver at the end of the day I think we can give you a little more color as we get to February but again. It is just a little more complicated because of some of the ongoing rate reviews as well so hopefully that helps.
Yes that does help thank you very much I'll pass it here.
Thank you.
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Our next question is from the line of Paul Patterson.
Fifth Glen Rock Associates. Please.
Please go ahead.
Hey, how are you guys doing good morning.
Hey, good morning, Paul.
So back to that slide 23.
I was also and I apologize if I missed it.
Plus earnings today, just on the impact of interest rates I mean, I was just wondering if you could.
You did mentioned different maturities and everything going on.
Just wondering if you have a rule of thumb.
Should maybe be thinking about.
Yes.
Things you've done to <unk>.
What the impact of higher interest rates I think I guess, it's something to think about just if you could give us any flavor on that.
Yes, I appreciate the question I mean, we really did try to provide some of that detail on 'twenty one to give you a sense of sort of what's <unk>.
Happening from a redemption standpoint, obviously, we're going to have some.
Normal financings in the normal course.
We didn't provide anything in there just because of what's going on with respect to rates. What I tried to also do Paul as you look at the recovery of interest rates in terms of how we think about it the transmission business, obviously formula rates get a little bit of a positive obviously a positive hedge on the 30 year Treasury.
Offsetting in addition to a formula on the interest rate within the electric distribution business and then Missouri itself. We're obviously in the middle of a rate review, so you'll be updating some of the capital structure and the cost of capital as we go through that rate review through the end of this year. So I tried to give that perspective, just give you a sense for what the <unk>.
We would be in 2023.
Yes.
I appreciate the slide 21, I noticed that I guess I was just wondering if you had it.
Because of course it.
What have you.
Great.
I guess, we've got some sophisticated math.
With.
As slide.
Okay. That's basically my only question. Thanks, so much and have a great weekend.
Okay. Thanks, Paul Thanks, Paul.
Thank you.
Our next question is from the line of David Paz.
With Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning.
Hi, good morning, good morning.
On the.
February call as you plan to update are you planning to update your EPS growth target through 2027, and if so when you roll in the expectations of.
The incremental net.
Missouri renewables.
Investments in the initial spending on the MISO projects.
Yes, David This is Marty yes on our February call, we will plan to.
Update you on our <unk>.
Thoughts in terms of EPS CAGR from 2023 to 2027 at that point in time.
We will also at that time expect to update our capital expenditure plan.
Which right now really runs through 26, we will take that out through 2027.
And we will also update you on our expectations in terms of our rate base CAGR out through 2027. So those are all things that we plan to do on the February call.
In terms of the overall investment pipeline as we've discussed this morning. This year as a result of the Missouri integrated resource plan as a result of the MISO.
<unk> proving tranche one projects, we bumped our overall 10 year pipelines from $40 billion $48 billion and as we mentioned in some of the specifics some of those capital expenditures, we would expect to start to fall in the latter half of that at five year update so.
Those are things that.
We will consider how best to fold in to both our five year Capex guidance as well is that at rate base CAGR.
Got it you think those licenses would you make an assumption on the competitive projects in MISO.
Spending or would that be just mostly on the assigned projects.
Yes, David.
I think at this point haven't made a firm determination as to whether what will fold in or not I would say with respect to some of those competitive projects.
While it's a little bit of a different thing than we faced in the past I would say traditionally we've been a bit conservative about rolling those things and until we have better line of sight to those being.
Projects that.
That we would be able to firmly execute so I would expect with respect to those projects, we take a bit of a conservative posture.
Makes sense and then just.
On equity remind me of your equity needs for 2024th in 2020, because when you last updated them and along with that just your targeted consolidated equity ratio.
Yes, David It's Michael Yes.
When we roll forward our plan in.
February 22, so we had $300 million basically of external equity through the balance of that plan plus a $100 million.
Drip as indicated we're very pleased with where we are today to where we've gotten in the 'twenty two and 'twenty three offer there. So you should continue to assume that $300 million 2004 through the balance.
We continue to target a capitalization ratio youre close to 45% over that five year plan. So we'll stay focused on that and then as Marty just talked about as we roll forward.
February and ROE for the new capital plan, obviously, we'll step back and address any financing needs as part of what happens with that capital plan itself, but you should continue to think about that 300 million at the moment.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks, David.
So alliance there are known for.
Further questions at this time I would like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.
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