Q2 2022 Smith Micro Software Inc Earnings Call

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After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Charles Messman, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Developments. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss Smith Micro Software's financial results for our second quarter, and in June 30, 2022. By now you should have received a copy of the press release.

with the financial results. If you have one and would like one, please visit the investor relations section of our website at www.smithmicro.com

On today's call, we have Bill Smith, our Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jim Kempton, our Chief Financial Officer.

Please note that some of the information you'll hear during today's discussion consists of forward-looking statements, including without limitations, those regarding the company's future revenue and profitability, our future plans, new product development, new and expanded market opportunities, future product development, migration, and growth by our new and existing customers. Helping Americansartner return, More information available for legal reasons only.

operating expenses, company cash reserves, and the expected impact of last year's acquisition of a vast family safety mobile business on our business strategy, operations, and financial positions going forward.

Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, which could tell us accurate results or trends that differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements.

For more information, please refer to the risk factors included in our most recent filing, Form 10-K , and in our subsequent filings on Form 10-Q .

Ms. Mike Rose seems no obligation to updating the forward-looking statement, which speaks to our man's beliefs and assumptions only as the dates they are made.

I want to point out in forthcoming prepared remarks, we'll refer to specific non-GAAP financial measures. imitating a

Please refer to our press release disseminated earlier today for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial matters. From that said, I'll turn the call over to Bill. Bill?

Thanks, Charlie. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today for our 2022 second quarter conference call.

Over two years ago, in February of 2020, Smith Micro embarked on a mission to take over absolute industry leadership in the delivery of digital family lifestyle solutions for wireless carriers around the world.

The first step of this journey was the acquisition of Circle Media's carrier business.

through which we gained contracts with T-Mobile US and Sky in the UK.

A little over a year later, in April of 2021, we concluded a second acquisition.

This time we acquired a Voss family safety business, securing additional contracts with Verizon, AT&T, and Wintray, a Hutchinson property in Italy, as well as additional business with T-Mobile US. Vera is a licensed financial advisor and Overseer

While the additional contracts significantly expanded our business base, the acquisitions also provided significant intellectual properties.

which afforded us the opportunity to leapfrog our product offering to be the absolute best available.

As we have discussed on prior investor conference calls, when we set out to consolidate the best features of the acquired technology into our Safe Path digital family lifestyle platform,

We had to significantly grow our engineering teams to meet that goal.

The exciting news is that we are quickly approaching the completion of our mission.

In March of this year, we completed the integration of the best of the Circle code base.

which culminated in our launch of the first release of SafePass 7.

We are now about to complete the integration of the best of the Avas codebase into SafePass 7 as well.

This has been a massive undertaking for our engineering teams and the successful completion will allow us to migrate all of our customers to the same safe path platform going forward.

The achievement of the migration will also result in another profound effect on our business, as it allows us to significantly reduce our operating expenses.

beginning in the current third quarter.

We expect that the full effect of the cost optimization will be realized by the start of the second quarter of 2023.

As we have stated during our previous earnings calls since the acquisition from Avas,

We also anticipate a rebound of our gross margins into the 80 to 90 percent range after all customers are fully migrated.

The result and profit margin should fall in the mid 20% range.

None of this is new, as we stated this consistently, since the acquisition from us.

What is new is that we are at a point in time when the mission is virtually complete.

and the acquisition synergies can start to be realized.

We expect to release the last build of the legacy Avas Ring platform in Q4 this year, with the required updates to support the latest Android and Apple iOS releases.

There will be no new releases of the legacy.

releases of the Legacy Circle platform.

And we will officially end of life the Avash platform.

in mid-year 2023, by which time we will have no remaining customers on the platform.

This means that all customers will be operating on the SafePath platform.

Overall, we are anticipating that these synergies would result in a quarterly operating expense reduction of over $3 million.

versus Q2 2022 by the end of Q1 2023.

Now a quick recap of our Q2 quarterly results.

Revenue of $12.7 million for the quarter came in relatively flat when compared to Q1 2022.

This revenues office represents the continued decline of legacy Sprint revenues from both the Comm Suite and Safe & Found product families.

Sprint consummate revenues will essentially end in Q3 2022.

The non-gap loss was slightly higher than guidance due to additional contract engineering being deployed to complete the migrations to safe path.

As you can tell, we have been quite focused.

And we are very excited to begin the next phase as a company.

a period that should bring strong recovery of operating results.

and exciting growth for the company's business case.

Now let me turn the call over to Jim to detail our second quarter results. Jim? Jim, where are the ro values?

Thanks, Bill. Good afternoon, everyone.

As a reminder, we acquired the Avast Family Safety Mobile Business in April of 2021, which impacts the period over period comparisons that I'll be covering today.

Now, I'll cover the financial details of the second quarter of 2022.

For the second quarter, we posted revenue of $12.7 million compared to $15.9 million for the same quarter last year, a decrease of approximately 20%. As a result of the decline in comp suite revenues, coupled with a decrease in family safety revenues.

When compared to the first quarter of 2022, revenue was essentially flat.

Year-to-date revenues through June 30, 2022 were $25.4 million versus $27.3 million through the second quarter of last year.

The $1.9 million decrease is due to the decline in CalmSweet revenues offset by the increase in family safety revenues resulting from the acquisition from Avast in April 2021.

During the second quarter of 2022, family safety revenue decreased by about a million dollars, or 9%, compared to the second quarter of last year.

primarily as a result of the reduction of the legacy safe and found platform revenue related to the continued attrition of legacy Sprint subscribers driven by T-Mobile's acquisition of Sprint.

Family safety revenues decreased 2% sequentially compared to the first quarter of 2022.

During the second quarter of 2022, comm suite revenue was 1.4 million, which decreased approximately 2.5 million compared to the 3.9 million in revenue produced in the second quarter of last year.

Revenue from CommSuite was essentially flat sequentially.

compared to the prior quarter.

As we've discussed on prior calls, the decline in legacy Sprint subscribers on the CommSuite platform is driven by those subscribers having the option to move from Sprint to the T-Mobile network for voice services.

As more and more subscribers transition off the Sprint network, CommSuite revenues have continued to decline.

Given the current revenue trends for this subscriber base, we are expecting very modest amounts of revenue from the Legacy Sprint subscribers in the third quarter.

After which, we would anticipate this revenue stream would be essentially exhausted.

Oost, formerly owned by Sprint, is now part of Ditch.

With the contract that we executed with DISH during the first quarter, we are expanding our relationship with DISH on the CommSuite platform with the goal to increase CommSuite subscribers over time.

View spot revenue was approximately $1.1 million for the second quarter of 2022.

which increased by approximately 300,000 compared to the second quarter of last year.

and up approximately 16% compared to the first quarter of 2022.

ViewSpot revenue is comprised of both fixed and variable components.

The fixed portion of the revenue is related to license fees and is generally the recurring component of the revenue.

The variable portion of the revenue is related to device and promotional campaigns, and the timing and volume associated with this portion of the revenue stream is less predictable.

With the launch of safe path seven in the first quarter at one of the tier one US wireless carriers.

In the expected migration of another Tier 1 US carrier to this platform later this year, we believe that we have a significant opportunity to grow the subscriber bases at our US Tier 1 carrier customers in the coming quarters.

However, while we are seeing pockets of marketing efforts at certain carriers, we are not expecting a significant increase in subscribers in the third quarter given the activity to date.

We continue to expect that growth will be aligned with the timing of several marketing initiatives.

which we will anticipate will be initiated by our carrier customers later this year.

As such, we expect consolidated revenue for the third quarter to be lowered by 5 to 10% compared to the second quarter of 2022.

second quarter gross profit was 9.1 million compared to 12.6 million during the same period last year.

Gross margin was 71.5% for the second quarter, compared to 78.9% in the second quarter of last year.

The gross profit of $9.1 million in the second quarter was flat with the gross profit produced in the first quarter of 2022.

In the third quarter, we expect gross margin to be down by 1 to 2% from the current run rate.

due to the anticipated decline in revenue.

Our longer term goal for gross margin is to be back in the range of 80 to 90 percent.

To achieve this goal, we will optimize third-party applications and service contracts used by the combined business upon the migration of our family safety carrier customers onto a single family safety platform.

Once we can fully transition all the carriers off the AVAS ring platform onto our safe platform, we expect to be able to realize synergies that will help us drive our gross margins towards our targeted gross margin.

Given the revised timeline of one of the migrations that Bill will be discussing as commentary, we expect that these synergies will likely not be fully realized until the second half of 2023.

For the year-to-date period ended June 30, 2022, gross profit was $18.2 million compared to $22.4 million during the corresponding period last year.

Gross profit was 71.5%.

for the June 30th, 2022, year-to-date period.

GAP operating expenses for the second quarter were $17.5 million.

A decrease of approximately 200,000 or 1% compared to the second quarter of last year.

The decrease was driven by a decline in amortization expense and acquisition cost.

as the acquisition of the Evop's Family Safety Mobile Business was completed in the second quarter of 2021.

Partially offset by the increase in contractor costs associated with the Safe Path migration.

and the increase in severance costs in the second quarter of 2022.

Gap operating expenses for the year-to-date period ended June 30, 2022 was $33.6 million, an increase of $2.8 million, or 9%, compared to last year.

non-GAAP operating expenses for the second quarter were $14.1 million compared to $12.9 million in the second quarter of 2021.

An increase of approximately 1.3 million or 10%.

Sequentially, non-GAAP operating expenses increased by 6%, from $13.4 million in the first quarter of 2022, due to the increase in contractor costs related to the Safe Path Migrations.

As a frame of reference, the contractor costs associated with the migrations was approximately 1.4 million during the second quarter.

We expect third quarter 2022 non-GAAP operating expenses to decrease from the second quarter by 4 to 6%. Because, as Bill had mentioned, we anticipate completing the development related to our Safe Path migration this quarter.

and anticipate eliminating substantially all of the development contractor resources by the end of this quarter.

We have already begun ramping down the resources associated with the migrations and released a portion of these resources in June and July .

We also anticipate a much more significant decline in operating expenses in the fourth quarter as a result of the completion of these development activities.

non-GAAP operating expenses for the year-to-date period through June 30, 2022 was $27.5 million, an increase of $5.5 million, or 25% compared to last year.

primarily driven by the addition of the Avas business in April 2021.

The gap net loss for the second quarter was $8.5 million, or $0.15 lost per share.

compared to a gap net loss of $5.2 million, or 10 cent loss per share in the second quarter of last year.

The non-GAAP net loss for the second quarter was $5.1 million, or a $0.09 loss per share, compared to a non-GAAP loss.

of approximately $300,000, or one cent, lost per share in the second quarter of last year.

The gap net loss for the year-to-date period was $15.5 million, a $0.28 loss per share, compared to a gap net loss of $8.4 million, or $0.17 loss per share for the prior year-to-date period.

The non-GAAP net loss for the year-to-date period ended June 30, 2022, was $9.4 million, or 17 cent loss per share, compared to a non-GAAP net income of approximately $400,000, or 1 cent of diluted earnings per share last year.

Within today's press release, we have provided a reconciliation of our non-GAAP metrics, the most comparative GAAP metric.

For the second quarter, the reconciliation includes adjustments for intangible acid amortization of 1.6 million.

stock compensation expense of $1.1 million, and severance-related costs of approximately $700,000, including approximately $600,000 of additional stock-based compensation expense.

For the year-to-date period, the reconciliation includes adjustments for intangible asset amortization of $3.2 million, stock compensation expense of $2.2 million, and the severance-related cost of approximately $700,000.

due to our cumulative net losses over the past few years, our GAAP tax expense is primarily due to certain state and foreign income taxes.

For non-GAAP purposes, we utilize the 0% tax rate for 2022 and 2021.

The resulting non-GAAP tax expense reflects the actual income tax expense during each period.

From a balance sheet perspective, we reported $5.4 million of cash and cash equivalents as of June 30, 2022, and no borrowing under our line of credit, which had a maximum funding capacity of $7 million.

Earlier today, in order to supplement our liquidity, we announced the closing of a $15 million convertible note transaction, primarily with Iroquois Capital Management, a longtime shareholder of Smith Micro.

We've also entered into an agreement to complete a $3 million equity offering off the shelf.

with Iroquois again as a key participant. These transactions will provide additional liquidity to the company as we complete the migrations to SAFEPAD and bridge the company to the expected ramp in revenues that we're anticipating in the fourth quarter of this year and in 2023.

In conjunction with entering into the convertible note transaction, we terminated the Wells Fargo revolving credit facility.

The key terms of the Convertible Note transaction include a December 31, 2023 maturity, coupled with the amortization payments beginning April 1, 2023.

amortization that can be paid either via cash or equity at the company's election.

If paid in cash, the repayment is at 103% of the amortization installment.

It paid in equity. The equity is subject to a discount from the market price during the amortization period.

The notes bear our interest at 6 percent and are paid quarterly.

The conversion feature is at $3.35 per share, which represents a 12% premium to the average of the last five closing prices of the stock through August 10.

The warrants were issued in conjunction with the notes, with the strike price also at $3.35 for share.

These warrants have a five-year term and represent 50% coverage on the notes.

Regarding the equity transaction, we're expecting the transaction to close tomorrow, subject to customary closing conditions.

For the agreement, we will sell in the aggregate of $3 million of common stock at $2.65 per share, together with an equivalent number of warrants with a strike price of $2.65 per share.

Similar to the capital raised from the notes transaction, we expect to use the proceeds of the equity offering for general corporate and working capital purposes.

For additional information, please refer to the 8K file earlier today related to these transactions. You can go to the eight.store or up to the react link at the bottom of the page.

This concludes my financial review. Now back to Bill.

Thanks, Jim.

So, I started out by talking about how we are progressing on our plans to consolidate the very best of our acquired technologies into our safe path platform.

and the resultant streamlining of operations to reduce our overall operating expenses.

Our drive to profitability requires both cost containment as well as customer revenue growth.

Now let's focus in on how we can plan to grow our revenues going forward.

Industry data indicates that all three Tier 1 carriers in the U.S. have between 15 and 20 million multi-line family plan subscribers.

While there are thousands of other subscribers in each carrier's universe that are interested in digital family solutions, there are thousands of other subscribers who have been interested

Let's just focus in on the multi-line users first, since we believe this group represents the most likely source for SafePass subscribers.

Based on our customer discovery efforts, we believe that a

SafePass subscriber population in the range of 3 to 5 million subscribers seems to be attainable for each of our 3 Tier 1 customers by 2025.

To achieve this ambitious goal, we have built out a strong marketing team at Smith Micro to develop best practices for promoting safe paths.

This team works with our carrier customers to develop coordinated marketing campaigns that are multifaceted by design.

to grow each customer's SafeFap user base.

We see this as a very important service that we provide to our customers.

It also feeds the enabling engine to meet our goals.

Additionally, we have developed a strong product roadmap designed to deliver new innovative capabilities to the Safe Path platform going forward.

Much like SafePath Drive and SafePath Home, these new features will deliver new platform services to an already best-of-class solution.

The Safe Path platform today and extending into the future supplies a group of turnkey family offerings that when deployed properly can deliver impressive revenue growth.

Now, let's take a look at an updated project status by customer.

As we discussed on our last call, we launched the first version of SafePass 7 at T-Mobile in late March of this year.

which was a successful migration effort from the Legacy Circle product onto our SafePath platform.

We continue to partner closely with our counterparts, this customer, as we prepare for the next phase, during which we will enhance the product with more features and functionality to fuel growth of subscribers.

While this phase has not moved forward as quickly as we had anticipated, the launch of these product enhancements should help drive the subscriber growth that we envision.

We also completed some additional work around the legacy Safe and Found product to bring it up onto the SafePass 7 platform.

which we expect will help reduce the churn we have been experiencing over the past few years and stabilize the revenue streams associated with this product offering.

As we look at Verizon.

We remain focused on our efforts to migrate the solution to the Safe Paths platform.

Since our last call, we have been requested by the customer to add an additional feature to the codebase. That required for migration.

which is going to push the launch of Verizon on SafePath to late Q1 or early Q2 2023.

However, the core Safe Path development efforts related to this client

are nearing completion, which will allow us to reduce our investment in resources, as I noted in my opening remarks.

While I'm disappointed that we were not able to launch this product into the market by the end of the year, I am satisfied with where we are in the process.

On the marketing side, we continue to push forward with new initiatives to build out a long-term, multi-channel approach to drive new subscriber growth.

Throughout the quarter, we have rolled out several different types of campaigns to raise awareness of Smart Family, not only to potential new subscribers, but also to the Verizon employee base.

These campaigns are a critical step in our marketing plan as we gain more visibility across the entire

Verizon organization.

particularly as we look to take advantage of Verizon infrastructure already in place, such as retail stores, care organizations.

advantage of Verizon infrastructure already in place, such as retail stores, care organization, CRM, and digital.

For example, a back to school campaign is presently being promoted across several channels simultaneously through different groups within Verizon.

There is still work to be done, but we are making good progress as we identify the different Verizon teams, get to know their internal processes, and get to know their internal processes.

and execute different initiatives.

This will help us prioritize the Smart Family platform throughout the entire Verizon organization, which we expect to help drive subscriber growth.

From an AT&T perspective, we remain very bullish on the opportunities ahead.

First, the progress of the migration efforts remains on target as we work toward a successful launch before the end of 2022.

Our core Safe Paths development efforts are nearing completion.

which should allow us to significantly...

reduce our operating expenses over the coming quarters.

We also are continuing our awareness activities throughout different organizations within AT&T. It can assist marketing efforts, delivering promotional budgeting, and assist in training the support organizations.

Okay, let me briefly talk about ViewSpot.

Now that the development phase of ViewSpot Studio is complete and we've upgraded our current customers onto the platform, we can shift our focus to growing ViewSpot revenues going forward with a new feature set.

This new feature set delivers a more fluid user experience for rolling out new retail campaigns, as well as a wealth of new analytical features for real-time reporting of carrier retail operations.

As Jim mentioned in his prepared remarks, our comms fleet solution at Sprint continues to decline as we had anticipated.

The revenue decline from the legacy business is virtually complete.

On the dish front, we continue to push forward as they roll out their new network offerings.

which we see is future upside potential for the product in 2023 and beyond.

Before I conclude my comments, let me speak briefly about the capital raise that we announced earlier today.

Iroquois Capital Management has been a meaningful shareholder of Smith Micro for many years.

This rise, as Jim said, is comprised of $3 million of equity funding and $15 million of convertible debt, and provides the company the opportunity to bridge our capital resources into 2023, when we expect to resume the creation of free cash flow.

At the same time

This funding has replaced the $7 million revolving line of credit that we had established with Wells Fargo Bank, which we terminated in connection with the capital raise.

We are thankful once again for the support of Iroquois Capital as we believe the capital raise positions us for a breakout growth in 2023.

In conclusion, this is an exciting time for Smith Micro. Our customers, employees, and shareholders.

as we complete a massive consolidation project and now move forward as the leader in the family digital lifestyle market, servicing wireless carriers around the world.

There is an enormous opportunity in front of us.

Not only with the big three in the US, but with other tier one carriers in Europe and elsewhere in the world.

Now we move to the revenue growth phase that coupled with the cost reduction efforts that we discussed today should drive profitability and the generation of strong free cash flow in 2023.

With that said, let's open the call for questions. Operator?

We will now begin the question and answer session.

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At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.

The first question comes from Josh Nichols with B Riley.

Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question and elaborating on the status for all the different carriers. In your comments, you did mention that you were pretty optimistic that you're going to see a nice bump back to growth in the fourth quarter. Any visibility you could provide into what's going on in terms of the marketing campaign specifically at T-Mobile and what gives you confidence that the company is going to flip back to growth before the end of this year?

But actually it's a combination of the both T-Mobile and the efforts going on at AT&T. So it's not a single carrier driven event. I would say that, you know, we're working closely with both carriers. They have some strong plans in place and we believe.

they will be successful. As I said in my prepared remarks, there is already ongoing marketing efforts underway at Verizon, and we also expect those to bear fruit going forward as well. So that's basically how I'd answer that.

And then last question, so I think you've kind of hit on the top line and the opportunities there. On the OpEx side, so the company is going into cost reduction mode now that most of the development work is done. Can you kind of just elaborate a little bit on the timing? I think you said like 3 million or something by mid next year. Is that 3 million a quarter that you're expecting to reduce operating expense from the 2Q run rate or how much is OpEx going to come down over the next...

it. Thank you. And then last question, just because it was mentioned in the press release, I think you've talked about, you know, the three US carriers a lot, but you did also kind of hit on

T1 operators in Europe as well. Any updates on that front?

There's a lot of that activity as soon as we have something done, we will be.

We will race to the market and let you know, but nothing we can talk about today.

Great, thanks.

Thanks Josh.

The next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hey, this is Kevin for Eric. Thanks for taking my question. Kind of piggybacking off of Josh's question. Uh, you know, I know these tier one guys have a big marketing push in the second half. Could you kind of help us to better understand the timing around that as a kind of a, maybe a black Friday thing, and then overall, maybe just generally, what are you hearing from these, you know, carriers in terms of the health of the consumer and the appetite for, you know, family plan given inflation and, uh, whatever else they're battling right now.

It's a great question, but I'm not sure how I can answer it. It really is a question you should be asking the carrier, but let me try to give some color. I would say that our approach to marketing for SAFE-FAST going forward is a multifaceted approach. We want to see activity in the stores, in the care organizations.

online, digital, etc. So it's a multi-pronged overall approach.

This is really based on history. We've seen this in the past It was a technique that we saw developed during this very successful growth of the sprint business And you know a few years ago, and we believe that it will work very very well going forward as far as the overall State of the of the industry. I you know all the carriers have pre-reported their earnings and then and all pretty much

talk to that so I don't know that I could add anything to your question. Okay sounds good. I guess I'll leave it at that. Thanks.

The next question comes from Jim McElroy with

Austin James, please go ahead.

Thank you. Thank you.

In times past you've talked about the carriers in Q4 focusing on

Subscriber editions rather than signing customers up for new services. So I was wondering if you could talk about that dynamic relative to

the AT&T launch as well as getting more aggressive with T-Mobile and Q4.

That's a good question, Jim. And I would say this, that, you know, the primary focus of the carriers, especially at the retail point, is focused on customer acquisition and the selling of new plans and new handsets.

That said, we still believe that there's a lot of work that can be done now on selling a value-added service like what we're talking about with SAFE-FAB. You know, when we now talk about, and I've given you some numbers for the first time, where we're looking at a installed base of three to five million subs.

per carrier for the big three here in the US, you're now reaching a very meaningful number. If you look at the street price for the Safe Path offering, it's about $10 per month.

recurring, you add in other add-on services like home and drive that that goes on top as well as IoT.

So, we're not talking about a small amount of money. You can run the numbers yourself. If you're sitting with 5 million subs times 10 bucks times 12, this is a meaningful number for any one of our three tier 1 carriers. So this is something to stay focused on.

Okay, thank you. Secondly, on

You talked a lot about the migrating the technology.

all to one platform.

But you still have separate marketing and revenue contracts with the carriers. Do those need to be renegotiated?

as well.

as part of that technology migration, or is that a completely separate discussion?

These are conversations that are ongoing with all of our customers. As we start to move forward and as we have now expanded out some of our service offerings like all the added marketing service for best practices and things like that, there is an opportunity to look for additional revenue growth there as well. This is a process that will be ongoing. I don't think that anything that I've talked about as far as the growth of revenue.

in Q4 or in the beginning parts of 2023 are really dependent upon that.

The revenue growth in these earlier periods are going to be driven off the fact that we now have all the customers on a much better product offering with Space House 7 that gives them a lot more to sell to their customers. And we've already seen the response from customers.

at T-Mobile. They love the new products so it's just a matter now of getting the marketing efforts.

to go along with all the positives.

Okay. And my last one, Jim, can you clarify what you said about comm suite revenues? I thought you said that they go to zero in Q4, but...

Don't you still have boost revenues from CommSuite?

No, I was speaking specifically about the legacy Sprint T-Mobile revenue stream. So based on where we saw the run rates, especially coming out of June , we're expecting that to ramp down in Q3 and be very nominal, if anything, in Q4. Just that's specific to the T-Mobile Sprint revenue stream. The

side, we feel that's going to continue at its current rate and we anticipate that in future periods we'll have an opportunity to actually grow that revenue stream.

Got it. Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's it for me.

Certainly. Thanks, Jim.

The next question comes from Scott Searle with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Hey, maybe Jim, just to quickly follow up on Jim's question as it relates to CommSuite. So T-Mobile and Sprint coming out of the equation, but how big was that in the second quarter just to help us calibrate what that baseline number is? I thought we were kind of getting close to it in the past couple of quarters as it was. And then Bill, clarification on the three to five million number or figure that you gave per carrier, was that account or was that subscribers that you thought were addressable? I just want to clarify that it was accounts or subscribers that were just

sensitive decline that we were seeing coming out of the quarter. Again, we expect that to be down to nothing or next to nothing by the fourth quarter.

Gotcha.

Okay, then Scott.

Go back, restate your questions. Oh, I'm sorry. I just wanted to clarify, Bill. When you're talking about the opportunity of $3 to $5 million per carrier, that's accounts or is that subscribers? I was assuming it was accounts, but I wasn't sure.

Yeah, what the way we look at it is a family is a subscription. Okay, so when we are talking about three to five million, we're looking at a family coverage.

on a go forward basis. And you know and quickly let me add as I stated I we think this is attainable by 2025 so we're going to go into a growth spurt you know as we go through 23 and 24 to get to that so it doesn't happen all at once. Gotcha perfect and if I could I'm not sure if I missed this but you know in terms of a little bit of a pickup into the fourth quarter did you give any ideas to the magnitude

of how you expect that to pick up in terms of safe path revenues as we go from September to December . And we'll try to talk about that more as we get closer to the fourth quarter.

Gotcha. And then lastly if I could, you know, Jim in terms of the OPEX coming down that's 3 million per quarter given where you're expecting gross margins to respond to. I just want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly that your break-even then from an operating basis is in the 13 to 14 million range and you're expecting then to generate positive free cash flow in 2023 so we're ramping above and beyond that as we get into the second half of next year. Is that the right way to be thinking about this?

Yes, yep, spot on. Okay, perfect. Alright, thanks guys.

Thank you. Thanks, Scott.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Charles Musman for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operator, and thanks everybody for joining today. We look forward to speaking to you on our next call. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us at Smith Micro and hope everyone has a great day. Thanks again.

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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