Q2 2023 Hooker Furnishings Corp Earnings Call
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I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Paul Hochfeld, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Shannon. Good morning and welcome to our quarterly call to review financial results for our fiscal 2023 second quarter, which began May 2nd, 2022 and ended on July 31st, 2022.
Joining me this morning is Jeremy Hoff, our Chief Executive Officer. We appreciate your participation today.
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A discussion of factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's expectations is contained in our press release and the FCC filing announcing our fiscal 2023 second quarter.
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This morning we reported consolidated net sales of $153 million, a decrease of $9.6 million or 5.9%.
compared to last year's second quarter.
driven by lower sales in our home meridian segment and partially offset by sales increases from the hooker branded and best of the compulsory shape.
the addition of sunset west result and the recovery in the age contract.
The company reported an income of $5.5 million, or $0.46 per diluted share, compared to $7.5 million, or $0.62 per diluted share a year ago.
For the fiscal 2023 first half, consolidated net sales were 300 million, down 25 million or 7.7% compared to last year's first half, a period in which home furnishings and other industries benefited from a post-COVID demand surge.
We reported net income of $8.7 million, or 73 cents per diluted share this year, compared to $8.9 million, or $1.40 per diluted share last year.
Now I'll turn the call over to Jeremy to comment on our fiscal 2020 three second quarter results.
Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. At mid-year, momentum at Hooker Furnishings is positive. Strong backlogs, full production capacity at our domestic factories and our Asian suppliers, and optimum inventory levels position us to grow sales across all three segments during the second half. Compared to the second half of last year, which was significantly disrupted when virtually all of our Asian capacity was shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
As we assessed the second quarter, there were five main drivers, highlights, and initiatives that stand out. First, factory production at our agent suppliers ramped up to near full capacity.
Recovering from the COVID-related factory shutdowns beginning late last summer that significantly reduced inventories through the first quarter.
inventory receipts at our US warehouses increased each month.
Looking ahead, without the production constraints we faced last year, the runway for accelerating product flow and shipments is clear. Currently, we have $34 million of inventory in transit, with a high percentage of that inventory already sold and expected to be shipped soon after receipt.
Secondly, as a result of improved inventory flows, we fulfilled orders and reduced backlogs enabling us to exceed our internal expectations for the quarter.
We were pleased to report sales gains in the Hooker branded and domestic upholstery segments in the second quarter and our strong backlogs in inventory position us to grow all three segments as the second half progresses.
Third, the domestic poultry segment achieved a 6.5% increase in the number of cows in the
consecutive quarter of double-digit sales gains with an organic increase of 33% before the addition of Sunset West.
Although we experienced some disruptions in the delivery of raw materials, all four upholstery divisions were operating near full capacity with shipments exceeding prior year periods and our internal goals. Additionally, the domestic upholstery backlog is five times the pre-pandemic levels in calendar 2019.
Fourth, the $28.3 million sales decrease at Homeiridium was driven by large retailers and its customer base who are rationalizing their inventory levels, along with some softening of e-commerce sales industry-wide. Approximately 40% of the sales decline can be attributed to HMI's exit from the unprofitable clubs channel.
Finally, during the quarter, the home radiance segment executed a full high point showroom remodel, secured additional space at our Savannah, Georgia distribution center and positioned new inventory in Savannah to support the introduction of the portfolio program, which will serve additional channels of distribution through a warehouse stocking program.
Set for launch next month at the Highpoint Market, Portfolio encompasses an assortment of over 1,000 ready-to-ship SKUs across four of HMI's brands with no order minimums.
The rollout will enable us to further diversify our customer base and distribution channels at HMI, allowing us to reach a vast network of independent retailers.
The fast-growing interior designer channel also will now be able to leverage these HMI engines and their products for the first time.
The portfolio program does not require additional overall inventory, but rather a change in the mix.
In addition to servicing HMI customers, the expanded distribution center will enable us to warehouse the Sunset West product line by year-end, giving Sunset West logistical support to east coast distribution for the first time.
Like the rest of the furniture industry, we have faced economic and supply side challenges throughout the year.
However, we are confident that our proactive responses and successful mitigation efforts, along with the many strategic initiatives underway, have poised us to finish this year in a strong position.
Now I want to turn the discussion over to Paul, who will discuss highlights in each of our segments.
Thanks Jeremy.
Beginning with the Hooker branded segment, net sales decreased by 2.9 million or 5.8% compared to the same period a year ago.
Both under taste good and hooker upholstery achieved an uptick in sales during the fall.
In the quarter receipts at our US warehouses increased monthly during the quarter as our agent suppliers resumed production and shipments after delays earlier this year resulting from COVID related shutdowns last year.
which allowed us to better fulfill orders and reduce backlogs during the quarter.
At the end of the quarter, inventory levels increased by 33 million compared to the prior year has and by 15 million compared to the previous quarter.
And we have about 25 million in transit.
in the Herbrand display.
A large percentage of the in-transit inventory is sold orders, which will help us work our backlog back to more normal levels over the remainder of the year.
On the income side, we were able to maintain solid profit margins during the quarter as we transitioned through price increases and surcharges added last year and the beginning of this year.
to help mitigate rising transportation and product costs.
Incoming orders in the Hooker Granite segment decreased that compared to the prior year quarter, a time when home partitions benefited from dramatic but unsustainable post-COVID demand.
Quarter-end backlog was at a comparable level to the prior year's second quarter.
But it was 21% lower than its fiscal 2022 year end due to increased shipments during this four.
still four times higher than pre pandemic levels calendar 2019. So where's summer?
At home meridian, net sales decreased by $28 million, or 32%, compared to the prior year quarter due to lower sales and mass margins of furniture chains.
from retailers who accelerated their orders in the prior year and are currently rationalizing their end report level.
Also, about 40% of the sales decline is attributable to HMI's exit from the unprofitable clubs challenge, which we've discussed in previous pipe works.
Sales in the e-commerce channel were also down as sales in this channel returned to pre-pandemic levels.
also down as sales in this channel return to pre-pandemic levels and growth rates.
These decreases were partially offset by continued recovery in the hospitality business and the loss of the plastic upholstery division.
which is targeted at medium price points not currently serviced by our other divisions.
We fully anticipate HMI will achieve sales growth in the second half of this year as they recover from inventory availability problems which began in the second half of last year.
and as they exit unprofitable channels, focus on building a more diverse, sustainable, and consistent forest.
We're looking forward to the upcoming introduction of the Portfolio Warehouse Stocking Program Jeremy mentioned earlier.
We're in stock and ready to service this program when it launches at the High Point Market next month and are excited about the opportunity to further diversify our HMI customer base at this point.
channels, reaching hundreds of independent furniture retailers and the interior design channels first time.
Incoming orders and backlogs decreased significantly as compared to last year.
When demand was exceptionally strong, customers were ordering further into the future, and orders were not converting to shipments.
as quickly as expected.
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At quarter end, HMI's backlog levels were similar to levels at the same time in calendar 2019.
Turning to domestic, Wall Street.
It achieved a six consecutive quarter of double digit sales gain with organic growth driving a net revenue increase of about 8 million or 33%.
compared to the prior year quarter before considering the addition of Sunset West results.
As Jeremy noted, there were some disruptions in delivery of raw materials for production. However, all three divisions were operating near full capacity with shipments exceeding prior year period and our internal goal.
Gross margins decreased in the fiscal 2023 second quarter.
due to significantly increased raw material cost, partially offset by overhead absorption on higher sales volumes and improved labor efficiency.
Incoming orders decreased due to current lead times and high back loss.
Quarter-end backlog was at the same level as the prior year quarter, but was 8% lower than fiscal 2022 year-end as higher shipments began to reduce by tax.
The best propulsion backlog at quarter-end was five times more than a quarter-end.
the pre-pandemic levels of Caliber 2019.
On our balance sheet, cash and cash equivalents stood at $11.7 million at second quarter and now $57 million compared to the balance at the fiscal 2022 year end, due primarily to a $56 million increase in imports.
During the second quarter, we received $25 million in term loan proceeds to replenish cash used to make the Sunset West acquisition.
in the first quarter.
At quarter end, inventory stood 131 million including 34 million in transit to our domestic warehouse.
With this record amount of inventory, our cash levels have dropped temporarily.
Because the high percentage of this in-transit inventory is sold, we expect to quickly convert inventory to shipments and for cash balances to improve by later in the fiscal year.
Its higher inventory also positions as well for the typically stronger sales in the second half of the year.
In addition to our cash costs, we have $27.9 million available on our revolving credit facility.
to support our work for capital.
Finally, I'd like to mention capital allocation.
In our earnings released this morning, we announced the 20 cent per share dividend, which reflects a dividend yield of about 5% at our current share price.
And though it started late in the second quarter, our share repurchase program is now well underway and we've purchased 360,000 shares or about $6 million in company stock.
I'll turn the conversation back to Jeremy for his outline.
Thank you, Paul. We're closely monitoring economic disruptors like inflation, rising interest rates, and a slowing housing market. At the same time, we see many reasons for optimism as the U.S. enjoys strong levels of employment, rising household incomes, and continuing strength in consumer spending.
We are watching as yet another sizable generation enters into their prime furniture purchasing years.
While incoming orders are down, we have substantial backlogs to shift, and we believe the reduction of incoming orders from retailers is temporary and more a result of right sides in their inventories than a significant decline in normalized consumer demand.
Based on what we have heard from our retail partners, we expect sales to uptick during the fall and holiday season as usual. We also expect that order rates will align more closely with the pre-pandemic ordering environment, a trend we have observed in recent weeks.
We believe organic growth will be buoyed by several new strategic initiatives, including our recent entry into outdoor furniture, expansion of our presence in the interior design channel, in all segments along with the post-pandemic recovery within the hospitality and contract businesses.
As we discussed earlier, HMI's portfolio program launches at the upcoming October High Point market which we believe accelerates the expansion of our home meridian customer base.
We are preparing for a strong second half of the year and based on our backlogs and solid inventory position, we are on track to increase sales in all three segments and to finish the fiscal year on a positive trajectory.
This ends the formal part of our discussion and at this time I will turn the call over to our operator Shannon for questions.
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Our first question comes from the line of Anthony Libidzinski with FIDODI. Your line is open.
Good morning gentlemen and thank you for taking the questions.
Morning so good morning. So first just the question on the backlog. Is it possible to get a number as far as on a consolidated basis? So what's the backlog now and how does that compare to a year ago or year end?
At the end of the quarter, the back log was 201 million.
prepared to
Last year the backlog was even bigger, it was 3.0. But more normalized.
That 200 is still...
It's still much higher than prior, let's see. Can we end it?
At the end of fiscal 19, it was $100 million.
So we're still double that number, but it's down 100 million from this time last year, we weren't shipping last year.
Got it understood. I know. Yeah, there was a lot of inventory constraints, which started really, you know, really kind of accelerated in August .
with the shutdowns in Vietnam. So, all right, so.
You know, your comments in the press release as well as on the call, I mean, seem more optimistic than some of your peers that have reported lately. What gives you that confidence? And do you have an early read on how your retail partners perform during the Labor Day holiday weekend?
I'll start with the last part. We heard positive things about a lot of Labor Day sales from our retail partners. That was all from our standpoint, positive news.
Regarding our optimism, first of all, it has a lot to do with if you look at 8.1, we had 70% of our capacity in Asia shut down for COVID.
So, you know, when you compare where we are now this year versus what happened to us last year, you know, we're heavier in case goods, we're heavier in that type of sourcing, I think, than the others that you're probably speaking about. So I think that's a big part of why we're as optimistic as we are, that we can really finish this year a lot stronger than we did last year.
Okay, yeah, thanks, Jeremy, for that. And then... Okay.
In terms of the exit from the clubs channel, is that totally complete or is there anything else to be done? I know that it was a large impact on HMI's results, but just wanted to get a sense as to whether that's over and done with now.
I can tell you that backlog is zero.
So when you ask if it's complete, there's a tail that I've talked about on previous calls.
You know that could that could continue for for some some period of time, but obviously we're not feeding that anymore So we feel like we're going to be we're going to eventually be out of this But I'm just saying there could be a little more of the downside we believe we're accrued properly for the tail, but you know That's as you know you've listened to us long enough to know that that's been a sometimes. We've been surprised by that
But we're saying all that we're very encouraged by where we are in the process of getting clear out.
Got it understood and then kind of a longer term question on HMI. So looking back, you know, historically calendar 18 that segment did roughly $387 million in revenue, approximately $20 million in operating income. Obviously, since then you have exited from the clubs channel business, which was a big piece of the overall revenue, but now.
and focusing on more profitable sales channels. So you're introducing the new portfolio program as well. Longer term, I mean, where should that business be? And I'm just speaking for HMI, just with this question. I mean, how do you see this next few years? Can we get back to those type of profitability in that segment? What are your thoughts there?
We can get back there. We had to almost have a reset with some of our businesses we've been in that were hurting us at pretty, as you know, large levels.
I would say that not only are we going to get back to there, but we're going to get back to there with a much more concrete foundation to grow additionally from. Right now, we're going from what I would call somewhat of a quicksand foundation with the bad businesses to more of a concrete foundation. Then once we have that, it's going to be much more sustainable and much more predictable. When you talk about the earnings that you referenced, that had a lot of...
things in it like clubs that you know I would say probably juiced up some of those earnings. Yeah, it's probably a bad word to say, but it's just you know when you look at the tail that we've experienced.
you know, we've become cognizant that maybe that wasn't exactly what it appeared to be.
Got it.
Right. And we've, so, you know, Anthony, just to expand on that, there's, it's a three-prong strategy there, which is we're going to, we've gotten out, we're getting out of bad businesses that we lose money on. We're expanding our customer base.
And through that, we're also going to increase our overall contribution margin.
Also, one other thing is we've significantly reduced the overhead on that side of the company, which is going to allow us to make a lot more money and be a lot more profitable, even if it's a $250-$260 million business.
Okay, so you expect ultimately the operating margins for HMI to be higher than they were at their historical peak based on everything you said, even with a small revenue base. Is that fair to say?
Absolutely. Got it. Perfect. Okay. And then, you know, in terms of just switching gears here, just for domestic upholstery, you referenced the higher raw material costs. How much was that as far as an impact and the…
Where do you see the raw material costs in the back half of the fiscal year?
We believe it's stabilized somewhat. If you go into last year, it was almost like...
You could keep up with the number of price increases throughout the different raw materials in our domestic manufacturing. We feel like there has been a stabilization and even some areas of opportunity to actually negotiate some things lower that had inflated due to what was going on. We feel a lot better than we felt last year about that question.
Okay, gotcha.
Okay, and a couple more questions if I may here. So as I look at the S&A expenses for the quarter, they were down sequentially from the first quarter, and this is despite revenue growing again on a sequential basis relative to the first quarter. So was there anything unusual in the first quarter or here in the second quarter, and just kind of to think about the run rate of expenses going forward? Is that something that I can look at as a
That.
I think this is a...
This quarter's probably normalized now. We've had some excess costs, like getting out of these North Carolina warehouses as we move to Savannah. We've had some excess costs, like getting out of these North Carolina warehouses as
So, you know, bearing in mind that...
About 6% of sale is variable sgna, which is our commission.
Otherwise, I think that this is a pretty normalized run rate. So you adjust it for the variable cost.
And I think you can.
you can project based on this quarter. Got it, okay. And then my just last question is just on inventory. So really kind of two part question here. So first, I know you guys talked about the there's a lot of in transit inventory, but I'm just curious as to how much of the year over year increase of inventory is because of inflation. And the second part to the question is to just kind of ballpark estimate as to how we should think about.
Your inventory is where you think they'll be at the end of the fiscal year. Thank you.
So I'm going to divide it in two sides. So on one side of our business, HMI side, we had about a 1% difference in increase in inventory in units and roughly 26% increase in dollars.
So that's pretty much that's the number I think you're looking for. On the other side of business, we had about a six or seven percent decline in units of inventory.
And we had, I believe roughly a 27% increase in dollars in inventory. So you can see the delta on, you know, when you talk to units versus dollars, it's significant.
Gotcha.
Right. Then as far as where you think inventories will be by the end of the fiscal year, any ballpark estimate there?.
I would anticipate they'll either be relatively.
Same ballpark or down roughly five to ten million dollars.
Thank you very much and best of luck.
Okay, thank you, Anthony.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from JP Geegan with Global Value Investment Corp. Your line is now open. Your line is now open.
Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen. You've experienced the same cost pressures as many others in your industry and across other industries for that matter, logistics, raw materials, inventory, labor. I know you've touched on a lot of those in Anthony's questions, but maybe you could just talk about how we should be thinking about the cost generally going forward and in particular...
labor and as it might affect your ability to service your domestic upholstery backlog.
I think I understood your question. We had a little glitch in the sound for a second, but I believe you're asking with the raw material disruptions that we've had, do we anticipate any reduction in our flow of production because of that? Is that pretty much the gist of it? Thanks for watching!
Well, raw materials, logistics, and maybe with a focus on labor, and this affects your ability to run your production facilities, particularly domestically.
Yeah, we feel like our domestic production is getting better by the day. We feel pretty optimistic about our second half and our ability to ship our backlogs and actually decrease our lead times and all the things that matter to our customers and their customers. All of that, from our viewpoint, is really positive.
Okay, and then more generally the increased costs that you've seen throughout the pandemic to what extent had those
either been mitigated by actions you've taken or naturally decreased to what we might expect to be more normalized levels.
Well, I think a lot of the mitigation to things like freight have been price increases, which we've been able to.
to get through in the right places. We've also been pretty careful not to wreck our demand with doing too much. In that way, I believe we mitigated. Another way, to your point, freight rates have started to come down. There are some things that are becoming a little bit easier. I wouldn't call them easy yet. They're just easier than they were last year. In those ways, that's helping us in a way that we haven't necessarily mitigated.
Okay.
Moving on to the contract business, which you haven't talked about for a number of periods, understandably, it seems like there might be an outsized opportunity in this area, especially with hospitality customers as demand comes rolling back. And there even could be some pent up demand for furniture replacement going forward. Talk briefly about what you're seeing ahead of you in that area.
Yeah, we're very much seeing an uptick. The mortality is really good right now and we're involved in a lot of different things.
for projects and things are moving whereas last year it pretty much came to almost what you would call a stop. There was not much investment in that area for hotels and the areas that they're trying to get business. All of that is really good and we've been able to...
We feel like Get pretty good amount of business So far and it's you know our backlogs are good in that business And I we feel like it's definitely headed the right direction on the contract side You know senior living which we target in age contract is still a little bit slower But it does but their business has been still been pretty good So we're pretty encouraged by both of those areas for our company
Okay, great, thanks. And then my final question really revolves around your sales channels. And of course, you've made a lot of changes in the way you think about approaching the market through various channels. One of the interesting forays you've made is with interior designers. Can you put some more color around that initiative, the size of the opportunity and the economics of that particular channel as compared to your other distribution channels?
Well, one thing we feel like we've learned, definitely on the hooker legacy side, is that that is a different consumer and a different channel entirely. So we don't feel like it overlaps with anything else we do is number one. Number two, a lot of it has to do with product availability. It has to do with technology. So having the right technology to service the designers.
is a big deal, which we already have on the Hooker Legacy side. So with our new ERP system spreading across the whole company, we're able to put that type of technology behind our efforts as well, where it's a self-service B2B site that they have access to for all of our brands and not just the Hooker Legacy brands. Additionally, when we position ourselves from an inventory standpoint to be able to support that business.
That's obviously a big deal. And then last, having the customer care support that is extended to our other companies, not just the Hooker legacy, is what I see as the last major strategic piece to be able to do that type of business. So we feel like that's a real growth opportunity for us in 11 out of our 13 brands.
Thank you. I appreciate the additional color. Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Juan Dasher with Pinnacle Value Funds. Your line is now open. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.
Just a couple of quick financial questions. What were the orders for the second quarter versus a year ago?
of course for the second quarter
It's going to sound really bad, but there were 63 million versus 193 million.
Sorry, Paul, you faded out 63 versus what?
63 versus 193.
I'm not sure that's a really fair comparison.
And a lot of that decrease was orders that were very far out planned because of capacity issues from large retailers that they canceled those orders because they felt confident that they could get the production with a more normal lead time and not have to have that much on order.
Okay, so there's that box were 200 versus 320.
same time last year.
The backwater is still pretty healthy.
Yeah, no, the 200 million is pretty good. You said inventory would be down 5 to 10 million by year end.
Was it down from the most recent quarter or down from year end last year?
It's out from this quarter.
Okay, so down five to 10 million from this quarter.
Bye.
Okay, just to clarify, I answered that and I said could be anywhere from flat to down five to ten million.
Okay, flat down to that and then flat to 10. Okay, that's helpful.
What's the status of the Savannah warehouse? I know last quarter I think...
There were some higher than anticipated expenses.
Are you up the learning curve there or how is that shaping up Savannah?
We're definitely better off than we were. We're getting a lot less demeritages and charges that you get from inefficiencies and running a warehouse. I wouldn't say that we've achieved our goals of really being a best-in-class facility, but we're a lot further along that path than we were previously.
When do you think it will be where it needs to be?
I think.
Probably, if I had to guess right now, I would say by second quarter next fiscal we would really be.
maximizing the opportunity in Savannah. And some of that has to do with additional racking and things that we're trying to do to create efficiencies. It has to do with equipment that we've had challenges getting. I'll give you an example, pickers that are hard, they work extremely long lead times and creating efficiencies in the warehouse that just start due to not having the right equipment that you can't get ahold of because of lead time. So things like that. We've had.
We've done a better job with labor. We've been able to get a lot more on our staff, but those are still challenges that we face. But it's kind of getting better by the day. But again,
Just to be totally candid, I think second quarter next fiscal would be. Musterkat monopoly
a likely time when I would be really pleased with our efficiencies in that warehouse because there's so much savings opportunity from us being in California and the two North Carolina warehouses versus being in the one big Savannah warehouse. Once we really maximize that, the savings really are exponential from where we were.
Any idea of?
what the contribution might be in terms of savings.
in terms of savings dollar wise.
Paul and I believe it's around $2 million.
Okay, so an incremental 2 million between now and second quarter of next year perhaps.
No, I think we're giving you an annualized savings of $2 million. We're already seeing some of that if you think about not having the transportation of containers to North Carolina and we were transporting those. The drage that we save is a big part of that savings. We're 70 miles from the Port of Savannah.
That's the big difference.
Thanks, that's helpful.
efficiency to get to the warehouses we're in.
we're in the mission.
Okay, good. That makes sense. And finally, what is the anticipated CAPEX budget?
for the total year.
at this point.
It's higher than normal because of the savanna and because of our ERP.
Of.
We spent 4 million more this year.
It's like ERP.
We've got some showroom remodeling and the Savannah warehouse are big projects. That's not a capex run right now.
I think when we normalize we'll be back to that five or six million dollar.
Just to make sure I heard you correctly. So 4 million in the back half of the year additional.
All right. Okay.
Great. That's helpful. Thanks and good luck.
You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, and I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the call back over to Jeremy Hoff for closing remarks.
Thank you, Shannon. I would like to thank everyone on the call for their interest in hooker furnishings. We look forward to sharing our fiscal 2023 third quarter results in December . Take care.
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