Q3 2022 Nextera Energy Inc and Nextera Energy Partners LP Earnings Call
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Jessica Jeffrey Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you Matt Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining our third quarter 2022, combined earnings conference call for Nextera energy and Nextera Energy partners.
With me. This morning are John Ketchum, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Nextera Energy, Curt crews Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Nextera Energy, Rebecca <unk>, President and Chief Executive Officer of Nextera Energy resources, and Mark Hickson Executive Vice President of Nextera energy.
All of whom are also officers of Nextera energy partners as well as Eric <unk>, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Florida Power and light company.
Trc will provide an overview of our results and our executive team will then be available to answer your questions.
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Actual results could differ materially from our forward looking statements if any of our key assumptions are incorrect or because of other factors discussed in today's earnings news release and the comments made during this conference call and the risk factors section of the accompanying presentation or in our latest reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission each of which can be.
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Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures you.
You should refer to the information contained in the slides accompanying today's presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure.
As a reminder, Florida power and light completed the regulatory integration of Gulf power under its 2021 base rate settlement agreement and began serving customers under unified rates on January one 2022.
As a result Gulf power is no longer a separate reporting segment within Florida power and light and Nextera energy.
For 2022 and beyond FPL has one reporting segment, and therefore 2021 financial results and other operational metrics have been restated for comparative purposes.
With that I will turn the call over to Kirk.
Thank you Jessica and good morning, everyone.
Before I begin todays discussion of our third quarter results I would like to extend our deepest sympathies to all those who have been affected by the widespread destruction caused by Hurricanes, Fiona and Ian over the last month.
Hurricane Ian was the fifth strongest hurricane to ever make landfall in the Continental U S.
The powerful and destructive storm his southwest, Florida as a high end category four hurricane with sustained wins of approximately 150 miles per hour.
Devastating storm surges and numerous tornadoes.
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In preparation for the Hurricane FPL assembled a restoration workforce of approximately 20000 workers.
This preparation and coordinated response combined with Fpl's valuable hardening and smart grid investments enabled the company to restore service to roughly two thirds of affected customers. After the first full day of restoration following hurricane landfall.
This represents the fastest restoration rate in our history for a major hurricane.
Our dedicated and resourceful workforce was able to restore essentially all FPL customers, who were able to safely except power within eight days.
I would like to thank all of our employees, who made personal sacrifices, leaving their own homes to serve our customers our communities and our state.
It was because of their training their preparation their dedication and their commitment that we were able to restore power to our customers. So quickly.
I would also like to thank other members of the restoration team.
Including the contractors vendors and first responders that supported our efforts for their dedicated assistance during this critical time.
Finally, we are deeply grateful for the assistance provided by our industry partners, who came from 30 different states to help support our customers.
Mutual aid in times of disaster is one of the hallmarks of our industry and this storm was no exception.
For nearly two decades FPL has invested significantly in building a stronger smarter and more storm resilient grid.
While no energy grid as hurricane proof the performance of our system demonstrates that fpl's hardening and under grounding investments are providing significant benefits to our customers.
Despite sustained wins of approximately 150 miles per hour.
FPL did not lose a single transmission pole or tower Darren Hurricane Ian.
Additionally, initial performance data shows that Fpl's underground distribution power lines performed five times better in terms of outage rates than existing overhead distribution power lines in southwest Florida.
On a related note we were pleased that the Florida Public Service Commission substantially approved our 2023 storm protection plan earlier, this month, which we expect will lead to an even stronger and more resilient grid for the benefit of our customers.
Finally, we are proud to report that our generation fleet, including our solar sites sustained almost no structural damage.
Despite 38 of Fpl's 50, existing solar sites or approximately 12 million panels being exposed to storm conditions.
Less than 0.3% of our solar panels were affected and those impacted were mostly at our older fixed racking sites.
Our battery storage sites, including one of the world's largest solar power batteries that are manatee solar energy Center.
Remained available throughout the storm.
We believe these investments together with our preparation and coordinated response have improved fpl's overall reliability and resiliency, providing significant value to our customers.
Although FPL has not completed the final accounting, our preliminary estimate of hurricane and restoration costs that we plan to recover from customers through a surcharge is approximately $1 1 billion of which approximately $220 million will be utilized to replenish the Stormers storm reserve.
Subject to a review and Prudence determination of our final storm costs by the Florida Public Service Commission.
Under its current settlement agreement.
<unk> has allowed to collect an equivalent of $4 for every 1000 kilowatt hours of usage on residential bills, but can request an increase to the $4 equivalent surcharge given the costs exceeded $800 million.
We anticipate discussing the surcharge amount and timing with the Florida Public Service Commission in the coming months.
Let me briefly comment on the inflation reduction act or IRA and what it means for our customers for our company and for our industry.
At our Investor Conference in June we announced our vision to lead the de carbonization of the U S economy, and we announced our industry leading goal to deliver real zero emissions by no later than 2045.
We discussed our strategy to get there and now every part of our strategy is focused on saving customers money on their energy bills.
We also said in June that achieving our goals would require constructive governmental policies and incentives.
The IRA gives us those policies and incentives at the federal level.
It also gives us visibility into what those policies and incentives will look like for what we believe will be more than two decades.
We believe that the IRA will not only help reduce carbon emissions.
Strengthened energy independence and security.
And create jobs in our industry and in our domestic supply chain, but also and most importantly, we will reduce the cost of energy for everyone.
We can already see some of the positive impacts of the IRA on customer bills at FPL.
Last month, we filed with the Florida Public Service Commission, our estimate that the solar production tax credits and the <unk> are expected to save customers nearly $400 million over the course of our current rate agreement.
Those savings start with a one time $25 million refund through the capacity cost recovery clause in January 2023 to reflect the solar ptc's on our completed 2022 rate base solar projects subject to review by the Commission, which we expect later this.
Year.
Looking forward for FPL customers, we believe that the IRA makes every solar project every battery storage project every renewable gas project and every green hydrogen project more cost effective.
These solar battery storage renewable gas and green hydrogen projects are designed to reduce the impact that fuel volatility can have on customer bills.
We believe the IRA will help make Florida, an even better place to raise a family or build a business as we work toward our goal of delivering 100%.
Carbon emissions free energy affordably and reliably.
We believe the IRA will also make clean energy cheaper for our customers at energy resources.
We have never been more excited about our opportunity to partner with customers to decarbonize the power sector as well as broader parts of the U S economy.
The IRS provide decades of visibility to low cost renewables and that that visibility has already encouraged our power sector customers and customers outside the power sector to think big about how they can realize the value of renewables to reduce costs and emissions.
As the World leader in renewables with deep energy Mark expertise.
We were having conversations with customers about large scale opportunities. Unlike anything we have seen in the past.
And while some will take time to develop we cannot be more excited about the future.
Turning now to our financial performance Nextera energy delivered strong third quarter results with adjusted earnings per share increasing by approximately 13% year over year.
FPL increased earnings per share by <unk> <unk> year over year growing regulatory capital employed by approximately 11% over the prior year period.
We have highlighted in the past our smart capital investments in fuel efficiency combined with our best in class O&M performance and productivity initiatives provide significant benefits to customers and have allowed us to continue to deliver residential bills well below the national average and the lowest among all of the floor.
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At energy resources adjusted earnings per share increased by <unk> <unk> year over year.
We continue to capitalize on a terrific environment for renewables development originating approximately 2345 megawatts of new renewables and storage since the last call.
With economics as a significant driver energy resources continues to capitalize on strong renewables demand.
From both power and non power sector customers, particularly in light of high power prices and high natural gas prices.
Overall, we are well positioned to achieve our long term financial expectations subject to our usual caveat.
For the third quarter of 2022, FPL reported net income of nearly $1 1 billion or <unk> 54 per share, which is an increase of $147 million and <unk> <unk> per share respectively year over year.
Regulatory capital employed increased by approximately 11% over the same quarter last year and was the principal driver of Fpl's earnings per share growth of approximately 15%.
Fpl's capital expenditures were approximately $2 billion in the third quarter and we continue to expect our full year capital investments to total roughly $8 5 billion.
Fpl's reported ROE for regulatory purposes is expected to be approximately 11, 8% for the 12 months ended September 2022.
Largely as a result of warm weather, we are fully restored our surplus depreciation reserve, leaving FPL with a balance of approximately one $5 billion to use over the term of the current settlement agreement.
As a reminder, our 2021 settlement agreement provided a mechanism whereby a sustained increase in 30 year Treasury bond yields would trigger an increase in fpl's authorized Roe range.
Accordingly, the Florida Public Service Commission approved an increase in Fpl's authorized midpoint ROE from 10, 6% to 10, 8% with an allowed range of nine 8% to 11, 8%, which became effective on September one 2022.
Importantly, FPL will not increase base rates as a result of triggering the increased authorized Roe.
For the full year 2022, FPL continues to target an 11 six Roe.
But is allowed to earn at the high end of the revised range, which may occur based on among other things warmer than expected weather.
The Florida economy continues to be healthy.
Florida's unemployment rate of approximately two 7% remains below the national average and at its lowest level in more than 15 years.
Florida's Labor force participation rate remains strong.
In spite of significant inflationary pressures across many parts of the U S customer sentiment and Florida ticked up slightly in the third quarter.
However, the August reading of the three month average of new building permits in Florida declined year over year, which is not a surprise given the significant growth we have observed since the pandemic and the recent increase in mortgage rates we.
We continue to believe that Florida offers a unique value proposition and we will continue to show strong population growth over the coming decades.
Fpl's average number of customers increased by nearly 83000 or one 5% versus the comparable prior year quarter, driven by continued strong underlying population growth.
Fpl's third quarter retail sales increased three 8% from the prior year comparable period.
For the third quarter, we estimate that warmer weather had a positive year over year impact on usage per customer of approximately two 9% and that hurricane Ian had a negative impact of approximately 0.4%.
After taking these factors into account.
Third quarter retail sales increased one 3% on a weather normalized basis with a strong continued customer growth contributing favorably.
Energy resources reported third quarter 2020 to GAAP earnings of $655 million or <unk> 33 per share.
Adjusted earnings for the third quarter were $729 million or <unk> 37 per share, which is an increase in adjusted earnings per share of more than 19% year over year.
Contributions from new investments increased <unk> <unk> per share versus the prior year, primarily reflecting continued growth in our renewables portfolio.
Our existing generation and storage assets decreased results by <unk> <unk> per share primarily due to unfavorable wind resource during the third quarter, which was the third lowest wind resource quarter on record over the past 30 years.
Our customer supply and trading business contributed <unk> <unk> year over year, primarily due to higher margins in our customer facing businesses.
All other net impacts were roughly flat year over year.
Additional details of our third quarter results are shown on the accompanying slide.
As I mentioned earlier energy resources had another terrific quarter of origination signing approximately 2345 megawatts of new renewables and storage projects since our last earnings call.
Specifically, we originated approximately 1215 megawatts of wind nine.
965 megawatts of solar and 165 megawatts of battery storage projects.
Included in these solar additions is approximately 270 megawatts of post 2025 delivery.
With these new additions net of approximately one three gigawatts of projects placed in service and roughly 680 megawatts of projects removed from our backlog, our renewables and storage backlog now stands at roughly 20000 megawatts.
And provides strong visibility into the significant growth that is expected at energy resources over the next few years.
Our development expectations through 2025 are unchanged from what we disclosed at our Investor Conference in June and reflect a planned renewables and storage build that is at the midpoint more than 20% larger than the entire renewables operating portfolio at energy resources today.
The accompanying slide provides details on where our development program at energy resources now stand.
As previously discussed we believe energy resources is better positioned than anyone in our sector to benefit from the provisions of the IRA, particularly after 2025 when incentives were previously expected to expire or step down.
With what we believe is over two decades of visibility for wind solar and storage credits.
The long term growth opportunity set is expensive.
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Energy resources is uniquely positioned to capitalize on battery storage co location opportunities with wind and now has repowering opportunities across its existing renewables footprint.
New markets and new investment opportunities are being created for renewables and renewable fuels that require wind and solar as their source.
Transmission will be needed to support the significant renewables build out and.
And all of these opportunities support our vision of leading de carbonization of the U S economy.
A key component of our vision is helping commercial and industrial customers meet their sustainability goals by providing them with comprehensive clean energy solutions, including providing renewable fuel alternatives, such as hydrogen and renewable natural gas.
To that end today, we are excited to announce we reached an agreement to acquire a large portfolio of operating landfill gas to electric facilities, which will become a core part of our renewable fuels and potentially hydrogen strategies.
This transaction represents an attractive opportunity for energy resources to expand its portfolio of renewable natural gas assets and grow has in house capabilities in this rapidly expanding market.
Energy Resources' intends to purchase the portfolio for a total consideration of approximately $1 1 billion.
Subject to closing adjustments plus the assumption of approximately $37 million in existing project finance debt estimated at the time of closing.
Subject to regulatory approvals the acquisition is expected to close in early 2023.
In the coming years, we expect to invest roughly $400 million <unk>.
Net of the investment tax credit benefit of additional capital into the portfolio of projects primarily to enable production of renewable natural gas and.
In our base case, we expect that the acquired portfolio deliver more than $220 million of adjusted EBITDA at energy resources by 2025, which is included in our financial expectations.
Moreover, the acquisition is expected to deliver double digit returns.
We are particularly excited about additional upside opportunities. The portfolio may enable that are not included in our base case and I look forward to potentially deploying additional capital in new ventures that may qualify for new federal incentives.
Turning now to the consolidated results for Nextera energy for the third quarter of 2020 to GAAP net income attributable to Nextera energy was roughly $1 7 billion or <unk> 86 per share.
Nextera Energy's 2022 third quarter adjusted earnings and adjusted EPS were approximately $1 $6 eight $3 billion and 85 per share respectively.
Adjusted results for the corporate and other segment decreased by <unk> <unk> year over year.
A hallmark of our business is our financial discipline and for planning so we grow the business, including the consideration of a range of scenarios to manage interest rate risk.
In recent years, we've proactively engaged in liability management initiatives, which we expect to yield significant interest cost savings through 2025.
Additionally, we have $15 billion of interest rate swaps to manage interest rate exposure on future debt issuances.
With the swaps in place we are in good shape to manage 2023, and 2024 maturities and new debt issuances. Despite the current interest rate environment.
Finally, the recent increase in interest rates is taken into account in our financial expectations.
Our long term financial expectations through 2025 remain unchanged for 2022 next era energy expects adjusted earnings per share to be in a range of $2 80.
To $2 90.
For 2023, and 2020 for Nextera energy expects adjusted earnings per share to be in the ranges of $2 and 98 to.
To $3 13.
And $3 23 to $3 43, respectively.
For 2025, we expect to grow 6% to 8% off the 2024 adjusted earnings per share range, which translates to a range of $3 45 to.
To $3 70.
We will be disappointed.
If we are not able to deliver financial results at or near the top end of our adjusted earnings per share expectation ranges for 2022 through 2025, while at the same time, maintaining our strong balance sheet and credit ratings.
Inclusive of the increases in our expectations in both January and June of this year Nextera Energy's adjusted earnings per share expectations reflect a roughly 10% compound annual growth rate from 2021 to the high end of our range for 2025.
In addition for 2021 to 2025, we continue to expect our average annual growth in operating cash flow will be at or above our adjusted EPS compound annual growth rate range.
We also continue to expect to grow our dividends per share at a roughly 10% rate per year through at least 2024 off a 2022 base as always our expectations assume normal weather and operating conditions.
Now, let's turn to Nextera energy partners, which delivered strong financial performance for the quarter.
Third quarter, adjusted EBITDA and cash available for distribution were up approximately 13% and 17% respectively against the prior year comparable quarter.
Last week, the Nextera energy Partners' Board declared a quarterly distribution of <unk> $78 75 per common unit or $3.15 per common unit on an annualized basis up approximately 15% from a year earlier.
Inclusive of this increase next guarantee partners has now grown its distribution per unit by approximately 320% since the IPO.
Nextera energy partners continued to execute against this growth initiatives during the quarter.
So last earnings call next LNG partners completed its previously announced acquisition of an approximately 67% interest and a 230 megawatt four hour battery storage facility in California from energy resources.
This acquisition further Diversifies next era energy partners' portfolio into battery storage.
During the quarter Nextera partners' issued approximately $145 million in new equity through its at the market program and use these proceeds along with cash on hand to fund this acquisition.
Consistent with our long term growth prospects. Today. We are also introducing year end 2023 run rate expectations, which are built upon next LNG partners strong existing portfolio and cash flow generation potential and continued ability to access low cost capital to acquire <unk>.
Creative renewable energy projects at.
At the mid points makes LNG partners, New year end 2023 run rate expectation ranges reflect estimated growth in adjusted EBITDA and cash available for distribution of roughly 23 and 12% respectively.
From the comparable year end 2022 run rate expectation.
Overall, we are pleased with the year to date execution at Nextera Energy partners and believe we are well positioned to continue delivering LP unit holder value going forward.
Turning to the detailed results Nextera energy partners third quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $377 million and cash available for distribution was $185 million.
New projects, which primarily reflect contributions from approximately 2400 net megawatts of new long term contracted renewable projects acquired in 2021 contributed.
Approximately $66 million of adjusted EBITDA and $23 million of cash available for distribution.
The third quarter adjusted EBITDA contribution from existing projects declined by approximately $18 million year over year, driven primarily by unfavorable renewable resource winner.
Wind resource for the third quarter of 2022 was approximately 95% of the long term average versus 101% in the third quarter of 2021.
Third quarter cash available for distribution benefited from higher year over year Paygo payments from both new and existing projects. After a relatively strong wind resource period in the first half of this year.
Additional details of our third quarter results are shown on the accompanying slide.
From a base of our fourth quarter 2021 distribution per common unit at an annualized rate of $2 83.
We continue to see 12% to 15% growth per year in LP distributions per unit as being a reasonable range of expectations through at least 2025.
We expect the annualized rate of the fourth quarter 2022 distribution that is payable in February of 2023 to be in the range of $3 17 to $3.25 per common unit.
Additional details of our long term distribution per unit expectations are shown on the accompanying slide.
Nextera Energy partners continues to expect year end 2022 run rate adjusted EBITDA and cash available for distribution in the ranges of $1 785 billion to $1 95 billion.
$685 million to $775 million, respectively, reflecting calendar year 2023 contributions from the forecasted portfolio at the end of 2022.
At year end 2023, we expect the run rate for adjusted EBIT to be in the range of two 2 billion to $2 four 2 billion and run rate for cash available for distribution to be in the range of $770 million to $860 million.
These new expectations highlight our continued confidence in Nextera energy partners' ability to deliver on its long term distribution per common unit growth expectations.
As a reminder, all of our expectations are subject to our normal caveat and include the impact of anticipated <unk> fees as we greet these as an operating expense.
Nextera energy partners is well positioned to manage financing cost in the current interest rate environment.
Proximately, 98% of Nextera energy Partners' long term debt, including current maturities is not exposed to fluctuations in interest rates as it is either fixed rate debt or financially hedged. Moreover, nextera energy partners has $6 billion of forward starting interest rate swaps, which will help mitigate the impact.
Of higher interest rates on future debt issuance, whether for growth or maturities.
Nextera Energy partners also has no significant debt maturities in 'twenty three.
And debt maturities over the next five years are manageable.
With the forward starting swaps.
Finally, I'd like to close with a few words about how we expect the IRA may benefit Nextera energy partners and as LP unit holders.
In response to the extension.
An expansion of clean energy tax credits, we anticipate an acceleration of renewables and storage deployment in the U S. Over the next few decades.
In turn we expect that Nextera energy partners will continue to have ample opportunities to acquire assets from both energy resources and from third parties.
Additionally, we believe that the long term organic growth potential for Nextera energy partners has increased.
With potential new opportunities to Repower is roughly eight gigawatt existing wind and solar assets and two pair battery storage with this nearly seven gigawatt existing wind portfolio.
Considering the potential impacts of the IRA.
Our expectation regarding the overall tax position for Nextera energy partners remains largely unchanged, including that it is not expected to pay any meaningful taxes for at least the next 15 years.
Combined with its current yield and the expectation of 12% to 15% annual distributions per unit growth through at least 2025.
Nextera energy partners has the potential to deliver a total after tax return of approximately 20% annually through this timeframe.
With the ongoing strength of the renewables development environment in all of the market tailwind provided by the IRA We believe that Nextera energy partners remains well positioned to continue delivering on its unit holder value proposition.
In summary, we continue to believe that both Nextera energy and Nextera energy partners have some of the best execution track records in the industry and we are extremely excited about the long term growth prospects for both businesses and the value. We can continue to create for both customers and shareholders shareholders.
That concludes our prepared remarks and with that we will open the line for questions.
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And our first question will come from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Okay.
Yes, hi, good morning. Thanks.
So just first on the.
Last quarter, you had mentioned the two gigawatts of potential.
Backlog that could be at risk.
Due to circumvention and alike.
Don't see any updated footnotes on that so I don't know if thats resolved or could you give us an update on those two gigawatts.
Good morning, Steve, It's Rebecca and I'd be happy to start with that that answer first let me start with the most important part which is everything that we're seeing at this point in terms of origination at energy resources is just terrific and we're seeing strong demand across all of the technologies strong demand across the <unk>.
Customer groups and strong demand across the country.
And I feel terrific about meeting our long term expectations that we've laid out.
Including reiterating today of the $27 seven to $36 nine gigawatts.
Of new projects put into service between 22% and 25 and I think the origination for this quarter of the over 2300 megawatts is a great sign of that and our momentum remains very strong as you know and appreciate on being involved in the development process. There's always some things that can go wrong as you move forward.
With developing a project, where it could be unforeseen permitting or connection issues.
Or something else that gets in the way until occasionally we do remove projects from backlog like we did today.
We didn't include the reference to the two gigawatts.
Mostly because it's going to be harder and harder as time goes by to identify what's related to issues from circumvention in supply chain versus normal development issues.
So I think I'd lean more on the side of giving you a context for what's going on against our expectations, what's the current momentum.
So those are just terrific.
Okay. That's good and then I guess just specific to supply chain any any updated things that youre seeing related to your flip <unk>.
Impacts.
Yes, Steve It continues to be an opportunity for our team to toward two challenges that we're experiencing along with the rest of the the rest of the industry. We have continued to work with the various agencies, most importantly, customs and border control with our suppliers to bring clarity to these implementing.
<unk> and while we continue to see progress I'd also continues to be slower than we would like.
Everything that we've laid out today in terms of our expectations reflect our latest views on when panels will be delivered to us and we'll be able to bring projects into service for our customers. One of the biggest things that our team has been working on over the last year is how do we mitigate the risks related to these.
Broader geopolitical issues, whether he is your focus specifically on a circumvention issue or you slip or whatever else it might entail and our suppliers have made tremendous progress on derisking that and we've gotten a lot of increased confidence longer term that we'll be able to mitigate the issues. Even if we see some disruption in the short term.
Okay, great. Thanks, one last question just.
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On the <unk>.
Earl investigation related to the Florida.
Political noise is there any update on timing or <unk> I'll come to that.
Steve This is John I'll go ahead and take that let.
Let me just start from the beginning as you know media articles have been published that allege.
Other things campaign finance violations by FPL, and we have a core spin.
Conducting a very thorough review.
Of those allegations with with the National law firm Paul Weiss.
Late yesterday afternoon, a complaint was filed by a nonprofit corporation.
With the federal election Commission that appears to center around some of the same allegations.
As those that have appeared in a lot of the media articles.
So all of those allegations that have been made are within the scope of our review.
We have of course been taken the matter very seriously and we will continue.
To do so as we work towards completing our thorough review.
Of these matters as quickly as possible and Thats really the only update I have at this point.
Okay.
Alright, thank you.
Our next question will come from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning team. Thank you for the time appreciate it listen I just want to jump at the heart of the matter here and how do you think about IRI in terms of increasing your EPS through the $2025 forecast or is this about extending the duration.
The existing growth <unk>, both right the pivot.
Solar PTC from ITC for a host of projects already in place should be immediately accretive you would think but clearly there could be some offsets as well and then related the.
Added opportunities on the Repowering and storage co location as you guys quantified just now in theory should also afforded an accelerated opportunity, but just wanted to come back on how you guys want to tackle that from an earnings recognition perspective.
Yes, let me go ahead and take that Julian This is Jon as you said look IRA provides.
Tremendous opportunity set for us across the board obviously, we've had some contracts that were already in place.
That assumed ITC on solar and obviously benefit from the production tax credit.
So theres benefits certainly in the existing portfolio.
I think we're also going to see some improvement.
Going forward as I said I think.
Ah recently at a conference.
In our in our 70 30.
And the way things are traded on.
On the unregulated business mix standpoint, because remember those.
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Those new PTC is that we get actually helped the buy down.
The contribution from the unregulated side of the business. So that's a big benefit for us as well going forward. We are transferability options now built into IRA that should help the cash flow from operations.
As well as we go as we think about the future.
The business I mean, obviously it creates a lot of immediately in the money opportunities for us going forward, both on wind and.
Solar.
And on battery storage nobody has the existing footprint that we have and so having.
Not only 20 gigawatt backlog, but you combine that with 25 gigawatts of operating.
Renewables.
<unk> about the potential opportunity of 45 gigawatts around repowering.
And with regard to co located stores because.
As we all know under the old regime.
The only way you could really introduced storage into the puzzle was by combining it with solar.
Nobody has the wind footprint that we do and so now we have the opportunity to put Colo co locate storage at all all of our wind sites all not only that we own today, but that we might build going forward. The same goes with solar and then obviously there is an opportunity now to go ahead and build store.
<unk> Standalone and so that is terrific not only for energy resources, but obviously provides a great opportunity set for any P.
Going forward as well in terms of timing, which I think was the other part of your question I think we've been very open that.
We plan to.
Provide a further a further update on the next call in January on the Q4 call.
Got it and just to just to get ahead of that fourth quarter, a little bit you would have a more holistic update on just the extent of the repowering opportunities and co located opportunities through call. It. The 25 period by fourth quarter again, I get that it takes some time to actually execute decide what.
Yeah, Julian we will do the best we can remember too that there are some some regulations were working on with the Treasury Department as well so some of that update around around Repower and co located storage might be tied to finalization of those but we will certainly try to give a view.
Got it alright. Thank you best of luck will speak them.
Yes. Thank you.
Our next question will come from Shar <unk> with Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys good morning.
Good morning Shar.
Just a real quick follow up on Julians question, just maybe just fine tuning it a little bit as we're kind of looking at.
Just the near term earnings guidance that you guys have out there.
How do we sort of think about the IRI impact as we're thinking about existing ppas right, which predominantly don't have any re openers and then you couple that with sort of some of the counteracting items like higher interest rate environment.
Do these two sort of items are they are they offsetting are they accretive I guess, how do we think about those two items in the context of what you guys are just reiterated this morning.
Yes, I think <unk> got to balance all those things together.
First of all.
It's really project by project I mean, some projects benefit more than others and that really depends on which projects have been impacted by some of the supply chain issues that we have had.
That's really the first the first piece.
From an interest rate standpoint, though I think.
Kirk dealt with that I mean, obviously the current interest rate move is taken into account in our expectations and I think we've been very prudent and careful about managing that interest rate exposure.
We have $15 billion.
Of interest rate swap protection.
In the book, So I really think about it more of more as a peak and ITC to PTC versus supply chain trade off some projects will benefit more than others.
So you kind of have to go down the list and look at it on a on a deal by deal basis.
Got it Okay. That's helpful. And then just on <unk>. Obviously, you had a 10 year site plan adjusted for inclusion of tax legislation I think IRA came out even better than prior proposals. So does that prompt an update for our preferred solution that F. P&L maybe.
Maybe going from 10 to 20 gigs what would be the cadence for an update or a pivot resource strategy there.
Okay.
So we will be filing.
<unk>, our 10 year site plan as we do every year. We're in the process now of updating that that gets filed on April the <unk>.
Obviously as <unk> talked before Theres, a theres opportunities going forward, we're always looking at ways to make it even more economic to build deploy.
The assets, including the solar.
We're currently doing but where we're currently five years ahead of plan on our 10000 megawatts of solar to be installed and that's on file with the Commission and then we will update our 10 year site plan.
And file that on April the <unk>.
Got it terrific and then just one last quick one just curious on the move and the R&D side.
You're 25 EBITDA guidance for the acquisition is based on existing operating assets or does that include a backlog of R&D development that would require additional funding.
Thanks I appreciate the question, we're really excited about the acquisition.
It is about just over 30 projects that do landfill gas electricity and renewable natural gas today.
And that number in 'twenty five reflects our base case and in our base case, we are converting a number of those facilities from landfill gas to electricity to renewable natural gas.
It does include the investment that we referenced in the prepared remarks.
$400 million in order to convert them to produce renewable natural gas one of the reasons why we're really excited about the transaction, though is there's a lot of optionality in it and some of which was afforded.
And the inflation reduction Act.
One is these projects now qualify for an investment tax credit, which obviously enhances the economics of the conversions.
Also the opportunity to support.
The further de carbonization worthy improving of carbon intensity for blue hydrogen, which really opens up a whole new market for renewable natural gas that we think is going to be very attractive to people.
New hydrogen producers to enable the full value of the PTC, where they otherwise wouldn't have been entitled to the full value of the PTC and in doing that we think that creates a real long term contracted market.
Because at Blue hydrogen producer will be very motivated to lock in the value.
The renewable natural gas blending will bring to their economics.
There is also the opportunity if it isn't a blue hydrogen contribution actually to keep some of these assets producing electricity.
And utilizing what we expect our new regulations coming out of the EPA.
To enable a pathway for the Rins.
Predominant renewable fuel credits that renewable natural gas benefits from today that there'll be a pathway enabled for electric vehicles.
So that might enable us to not invest that $400 million in some or all of those assets to convert them to renewable natural gas.
The bottom line is we're very excited about it. We think this is a great platform from which to grow.
Our renewable fuel business renewable energy solutions in order to help our customers across a broad set of sectors. Both in the power sector and beyond to enable their full decarbonization.
Terrific guys. Thanks, very much seeing a couple of weeks I appreciate it thanks guys.
Yeah.
Our next question will come from David <unk> with Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead.
Oh, Hey, good morning, Thanks, so much for taking my question.
Maybe one thing.
Good morning, maybe continuing on that just wondering more broadly.
Your thoughts on the M&A landscape or their priorities or attractive opportunities out there in the market right now that you might be.
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I'll go ahead and take that David This is John .
We have some terrific organic.
Opportunities growth opportunities in front of us.
M&A is not not an area of focus.
Got it that's clear and then maybe on the renewable side of things I'm wondering if you could comment on the ICC in FEMA proposal to raise a structural risk ranking of solar and wind and what could that do for your projects your pipeline and costs for developing renewables.
I'll go ahead and take that as well so FEMA FEMA did come forward with some recent proposals have not been put to a final vote, yet I think.
The Best example, as to why none of those changes are required as what we just saw with hurricane in and so when you you know Kirk had some of those remarks in the script, but I think its worth noting and obviously, we put this information back in front of FEMA that none of this is necessary because of it.
Evaluate what happened in Hurricane, Ian which was the fifth worst most catastrophic storm to ever hit the continental United States. It passed over 38 to 50 of our solar sites with maximum sustained wins of 150 miles per hour.
We had essentially no impact to our solar generating facilities about 0.3% of the panels.
Were impacted and you've got to remember.
The what.
That slight number of impacts that even occurred where on the older sites that have the fixed tracker technology now with the new tracker technology, we can move at east to West we could pivot at the 35 degrees the wind cuts right through it we saw essentially no damage. It at those sites the solar held up extremely well.
And in some cases, I think probably better than any amount of gas plant would which are really rated up to only 100 miles an hour. So really happy with the way. It performed we think the FEMA changes are completely unnecessary.
And.
We are working through that with them with <unk>.
Terrific evidence from how our own fleet just performed a couple of weeks ago.
No better case in point.
So this is Eric so I guess I'll, just add a little bit so when John talks about the panels or the 3% of panels that were affected many of those panels werent even damaged the point, we simply put them back on reuse them.
So to put it in perspective.
Panels that actually had to be replaced out of 12 million panels is 0.03% or 3000 panels out of $12 million.
So to John's point.
Is immaterial.
And we were up and running the next morning.
Without put at our plants.
Great I appreciate that color. Thanks, so much.
Our next question will come from Michael <unk> with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on a good quarter one for Eric I will talk about $8 5 billion of capital deployment this year at SPL.
Should we think about what that level looks like call. It 2023, and 2024 and maybe what are the puts and takes that could move in either direction for those years.
Hi, Michael it's Eric.
So look we have a we have a robust capital plan that continues we've talked about it before.
From a standpoint of our storm hardening.
That program, obviously, you can see the impacts with Ian.
How beautifully.
It really made a difference we're going to continue with our storm hardening program. Our underground program, our solar build out so we have great visibility into our capital deployed.
Right through the rate case settlement period, and what we have filed through our 10 year site plan.
Got it so I'm just trying to think about this just as capital spend above or below 22 2022 levels for the next couple of years.
It's basically where it is at 22 levels.
Varies a little bit but that is exactly what we've put forward for the planned here for the last two.
Two years that we've had going forward.
Michael I would just add Theres no real deviation from what we shared at the Investor Conference. So it's in line with.
The plans that we laid out in terms of roughly.
882 to $8 5 billion.
A year over the settlement settlement terms.
Reason I ask and thank you for that is.
Given the fact, you've got the full surplus amortization back onboard right now you could actually invest more to improve reliability, and obviously green system, even more without necessarily having to a hurt earnings and b increase customer rates for the next couple of years.
Yeah, Michael again, we're right now sticking with our plan, we've got a good visibility a lot of US remember, it's a it's a lot of execution and so we have a we've been managing the supply chain, we've been managing all the issues.
It had been a challenge for folks across the country and being able to hit that Capex plan.
As right now what we see is the best path forward to be able to maintain.
What the commission expects and financially what we expect.
Got it and then one for Rebecca just curious what are you seeing in terms of just.
Just given what's happening in inflation wise around the world, especially commodity and labor what the cost to install new wind and solar has kind of how much that has changed before we kind of bake in the higher tax credit level.
Yes, Michael I think we obviously had a number of comments around this at the Investor Conference. We certainly have seen increases in costs, both in the commodity or the equipment prices as well as balance of system and the labor to deal with the projects.
No that it's materially changed from what we shared with you a couple of months ago. I think we were at the peak in a lot of commodity prices and even some of the key ones that ultimately affect the.
The inherent cost of our building a project had come down since then.
As we think about it long term, we obviously have views on why it is going to look like going forward and we build those expectations.
<unk> into a power purchase agreement prices with our customers I think one of the key things that keep in mind, particularly as you think about the overall demand.
For renewables and other clean energy solutions long term is that they have such a competitive advantage against the alternatives.
So even where we have seen increases in costs, even in some areas may be at parity with what we've seen in terms of the strict value that the IRA incentives may have brought in in terms of the difference versus prior incentives. What we've seen is that the alternatives have increased even more.
As for new build as well as the overall market prices sales from our customer standpoint, which is what we're focused on the most they are as compelling as they have ever been to incorporate into their into their solutions, whether that'd be a tower customer to bring down electricity prices to their customers, which is clearly very top of mind for our customers.
Today, but also our non power sector customers, who are finding ways to not only.
Provide a lower carbon intensity product to their customers, but they wanted to do it at lower cost and we've got great solutions for them.
Got it thank you Rebecca thanks, Erik and team.
Our next question will come from Jeremy Tonet with J P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Thanks for squeezing me in here just wanted to hit on RMG real quick and maybe round out the conversation a little bit more big Big acquisition here, but how do you think about the total addressable market here here and is the focus really just on landfills in certain locations or other parts of our R&D it could be interesting as well and then lastly.
I guess further expansion it seems like you have a quite a platform to work off here, but future RMG would it be just organic or could there be more purchases as well.
Hi, Jeremy and thanks for the question listen we're very excited about the potential for R&D in particular as part of the broad set of solutions, we want to offer our customers.
So I would say this is just a large step forward and something we've already been working on.
With smaller investments in some other co investments with with other folks.
And we're excited about not only adding these portfolio of projects and the value that this creates for our shareholders, but also using us as a platform for future growth as part of this acquisition.
Building a services company along with it that's part of what the existing portfolio provides and we're excited about incorporating those capabilities into into our team.
And we're excited about both landfill gas and alternative.
<unk> of renewable natural gas, including dairy long term.
We'll do it both through organic as well as through acquisitions and all of the above.
Excited about the size of the acquisition in this space, but.
Four I get too excited we also need to keep in mind that as the $85 billion to $95 billion of capital we want to invest over the period, we laid out at the Investor Conference. This is approximately $1 billion in change. So a great addition to our portfolio, but still in context, a measured step in in the overall portfolio.
Got it very helpful and just rounding out the conversation hydrogen I think you've touched on a bit but any other updated thoughts you want to share with us post higher here.
I am thrilled with the prospect says of hydrogen going forward and not just literally hydrogen itself, but.
But the renewable fuels that that create is potential solutions for our customers, whether that's synthetic natural gas as a potential solutions for customers, who are looking for seven by 24 fully decarbonize power.
But also through synthetic jet fuel synthetic ammonia products other things that will help.
Bring out of peoples supply chain manufacturing processes et cetera.
Their carbon intensive fuels that they use today some of those are not going to be economics literally today, but there's a clear pathway to then being economic in a couple of years, but some of them with the benefit of the IRA incentives are economic today and at the heart of them what the opportunity is for us is to deploy a substantial amount.
Out of renewable energy in the form of wind solar and battery storage. The core things that we have been very successful doing for years now if not decades, and we're continuing to invest heavily to maintain those kind of competitive advantages going forward.
Very helpful I'll leave it there thank you.
Okay.
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