Q3 2022 Enhabit Inc Earnings Call

November 2, 2022

Good morning, everyone and welcome to inhabit home health and Hospice is third quarter 2022 earnings conference call.

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Jennifer Hills: Thank you, Abby, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining Enhabit Home Health and Hospice Q3 2022 earnings call. With me on the call today are Barb Jacobsmeyer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Crissy Carlisle, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, if you do not already have a copy, the third quarter earnings release, supplemental information and related Form 8-K filed with the SEC are available on our website at investors.ehab.com. On page two of the supplemental information, you will find the Safe Harbor statements, which are also set forth on the last page of the earnings release. During the call, we will make forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control.

Thank you Abby and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining and have a home health and hospice third quarter 'twenty two.

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Jennifer Hills: On page two of the supplemental information, you will find the Safe Harbor statements, which are also set forth on the last page of the earnings release. During the call, we will make forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control.

On page two of the supplemental information you will find the safe Harbor statements, which are also set forth on the last page of the earnings release.

During the call we will make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties many of which are beyond our control certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our projections estimates and expectations are discussed in the company's SEC filings, including the form 10.

Jennifer Hills: Certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our projections, estimates, and expectations are discussed in the company's SEC filings, including the Form 10 registration statement dated 14 June 2022, and subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, each of which can be found on the company's website. We encourage you to read them. You're cautioned not to place undue reliance on the estimates, projections, guidance, and other forward-looking information presented, which are based on current estimates of future events and speak only as of today. We do not undertake a duty to update those forward-looking statements. Our supplemental information and discussion on this call will include certain non-GAAP financial measures. For such measures, reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available at the end of the supplemental information and earnings release.

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Jennifer Hills: We do not undertake a duty to update those forward-looking statements. Our supplemental information and discussion on this call will include certain non-GAAP financial measures. For such measures, reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available at the end of the supplemental information and earnings release.

We do not undertake a duty to update those for looking statements our supplemental information and discussion on this call will include certain non-GAAP financial measures.

For such measures reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available at the end of the supplemental information and earnings release I would like to remind everyone that we will adhere to the one question and one follow up question rule to allow everyone to ask a question. If you have additional questions.

Jennifer Hills: I would like to remind everyone that we will adhere to the one question and one follow-up question rule to allow everyone to ask a question. If you have additional questions, please feel free to put yourself back in the queue. With that, I'll turn the call over to Barb.

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Barb Jacobsmeyer: Thank you, Jennifer. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. I am proud of the progress we have made in the critical areas necessary to set us up for success in 2023. Q3 was our first quarter as an independent company. This is a journey and we appreciate the commitment of our leaders and our staff as we define and build Enhabit for the future. We remain confident in Enhabit's growth potential as more care is moving to where patients prefer it, in their homes. Let's start with the home health final rule, which was published Monday afternoon. We are extremely disappointed that the final rule included a permanent 7.85% cut to Medicare home health services, which is even higher than the proposed behavioral adjustment of 7.69%. In addition, the temporary adjustments still loom.

Thank you Jennifer good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us I'm proud of the progress we have made in the critical areas necessary to set us up for success in 2023 quarter three was our first quarter as an independent company.

As a journey and we appreciate the commitment of our leaders and our staff as we define and building habit for the future.

We remain confident in and habits growth potential as more care is moving to where patients prefer it in their home.

Let's start with the home Health final rule, which was published Monday afternoon. We're extremely disappointed that the final rule included a permanent 785% cut to Medicare home Health services, which is even higher than the proposed behavioral adjustment of $7 six 9%.

In addition, the temporary adjustments still room.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: CMS has not changed their methodology at all, which is very problematic for the industry. 2023 now has a slight reprieve with the provisions in this final rule, resulting in an estimated net increase in home health payments of 0.7%. The industry does not view this as a win, and we will work with our industry partners to determine next steps. Our immediate attention turns to the Preserving Access to Home Health Act of 2022, introduced by Senators Debbie Stabenow and Susan Collins, and Representatives Terri Sewell and Vern Buchanan, which would prevent these massive cuts from taking effect in the Medicare home health program until 2026, allowing time for CMS to work with the home health sector to fix their flawed methodology and Medicare rate changes.

CMS has not changed their methodology at all which is very problematic for the industry.

2023, now has a slight reprieve with the provisions in this final rule, resulting in an estimated net increase in home health payments of <unk>, 7%.

The industry does not view this as a win and we will work with our industry partners to determine next steps.

Our immediate attention turns to the preserving access to home Health Act of 2022 introduced by Senator Debbie Stabenow, and Susan Collins, and representative Terri Sewell and burned Buchanan, which would prevent these massive cuts from taking effect in the Medicare home health program until 2026.

Allowing time for CMS to work with the home health sector to fix their flawed methodology and Medicare rate changes.

In the meantime, our inhabit focus will remain on the things we can operationally due to improve access to patients that prefer their care in the home.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: In the meantime, our Enhabit focus will remain on the things we can operationally do to improve access to patients that prefer their care in the home. As our labor constraints began to ease in the quarter, we were able to accept the increasing number of referrals. Our 31.5% non-episodic home health admission growth drove our 2.7% total admission growth year-over-year. Hurricane Ian did impact our home health operations in Florida and along the eastern seaboard before it made landfall on 28 September 2022, as our teams prepared for its arrival. Our employees did an incredible job with our hurricane preparedness, ensuring we knew each patient's evacuation plan and reminding patients to have their medication and oxygen supplies.

Our labor constraints began to ease in the quarter, we were able to accept the increasing number of referrals are 31, 5% non episodic home health admission growth drove our 2.7% total admission growth year over year.

Hurricane Ian did impact our home health operations in Florida, and along the eastern Seaboard before it made landfall on September 28th as our teams prepared for its arrival.

Our employees did an incredible job with our hurricane preparedness, ensuring we knew each patients add vacuolation plan and reminding patients to have their medication and oxygen supplies.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Some of our employees were personally impacted by the hurricane and received Enhabit Cares funds, providing financial assistance for things such as temporary housing, generators, and food. Operationally, we estimate we lost approximately 200 home health admissions during the last week of September due to this hurricane. The strategic and operational changes in hospice are starting to make an impact, as evidenced by sequential admission growth of 5.2% in Q3. Our strongest opportunity is growth, and our focus on our people will drive our growth in both home health and hospice. Our team continues to deliver a better way to care to our patients and to each other as we support our staff through flexible schedules, competitive compensation and benefits, and opportunities for personal growth. Our people strategy focuses on recruitment and retention, and we are making progress in both areas.

Some of our employees were personally impacted by the hurricane and received and habit cares funds, providing financial assistance for things such as temporary housing generators and food.

Operationally, we estimate we lost approximately 200 home health admissions during the last week of September due to this hurricane.

The strategic and operational changes in hospice are starting to make an impact as evidenced by sequential admission growth of five 2% in quarter three.

Our strongest opportunity is growth and our focus on our people will drive our growth in both home health and hospice are.

Our team continues to deliver a better way to care to our patients and to each other as we support our staff through flexible schedules competitive compensation and benefits and opportunities for personal growth.

Our people strategy focuses on recruitment and retention and we are making progress in both areas.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: We continue to make good progress on our net new full-time nursing hires with 55 in Q3. Our continued focus on retention is also yielding results with our full-time and part-time nursing turnover 10% lower than Q3 of 2021. As we reviewed our data and exit surveys, we noted that a consistent theme was the lack of thorough and consistent onboarding for our new hires. Orienting new clinicians is time-intensive, and with staffing constraints in some local branches, orientation was suffering, resulting in turnover. To solve for this, in April this year, we began piloting virtual clinical orientation. This virtual orientation allows for efficient use of clinical preceptors to virtually orient a larger group of clinicians on over half of our orientation materials. This takes a burden off the local branches and ensures consistent training.

We continue to make good progress on our net new full time nursing hires with 55 in quarter three.

Our continued focus on retention is also yielding results with our full time and part time nursing terms, 10% lower than quarter three of 2021.

As we reviewed our data and exit surveys, we noted that a consistent theme was the lack of thorough and consistent onboarding for our new hires.

Orienting, new clinicians is time intensive and with staffing constraints in some local branches orientation was suffering resulting in turnover.

To solve for this in April this year, we began piloting virtual clinical orientation.

This virtual orientation allows for efficient use of clinical preceptor to virtually Orient a larger group of clinicians on over half of our orientation materials.

This takes a burden off the local branches and ensures consistent training.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: We started with 17 branches and have now expanded to 40 branches. To date, we have 123 clinicians that have completed or are currently in our virtual clinical orientation. We are pleased with the initial results. We'll continue to measure the positive impact of this process. Based on our findings, we'll be prepared to roll out this process to the full company in 2023. Our improved retention is also being positively impacted by the optionality we incorporated into our clinical scheduling. As we have noted previously, to be competitive, we have allowed more flexible schedules than this company has historically offered. This strategic shift has resulted in an uptick in our percentage of PRN nurses year over year from 36% last year to approximately 41% this year.

We started with 17 branches and have now expanded to 40 branches to date, we have 123 clinicians that have completed or are currently in our virtual clinical orientation.

We are pleased with the initial results will continue to measure the positive impact of this process and based on our findings will be prepared to rollout. This process through the full company in 2023.

Our improved retention is also being positively impacted by the Optionality, we incorporated into our clinical scheduling.

As we have noted previously to be competitive we have allowed more flexible schedules than this company has historically offered.

This strategic shift has resulted in an uptick in our percentage of P. R. N nurses year over year from 36% last year to approximately 41% this year.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: With this shift to more nurses wanting PRN status, we need to ensure our wage rates are competitive so that these nurses choose to work for us. As we examined our rates, we noted we were below market and adjusted those rates to be more competitive. Year over year, our PRN rates increased over 7% in Q3. While the number of visits conducted by PRN staff were down 5% year over year, they did increase almost 14% sequentially, which helped drive our volume growth in Q3. Our staff does a great job providing the high quality of care we commit to our patients. As of July, we are 15% above the national average for star ratings, 5% above for patient satisfaction ratings, and 330 basis points better in our thirty-day hospital readmission rate.

With this shift to more nurses wanting PRN status, we need to ensure our wage rates are competitive so that these nurses choose to work for us.

As we examined our rates. We noted we were below market and adjusted those rates to be more competitive.

Year over year, our peer and rates increased over 7% in the third quarter.

The number of visits conducted by PRN staff were down 5% year over year. They did increase almost 14% sequentially, which helped drive our volume growth in the third quarter.

Our staff does a great job, providing the high quality of care, we commit to our patients.

As of July we are 15% above the national average for star ratings.

5% above for patient satisfaction ratings, and 330 basis points better than our 30 day hospital readmission rate.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: This lower readmission rate is a high value proposition to our referral sources and payers. This outcome-based measure is one of the driving factors in our ongoing discussions with Medicare Advantage payers. Our payer innovation team has been very busy. While we continue to have regular meetings with the national payers, we recognize that local and regional agreements are critical to the slow but steady progress we're making with our Medicare Advantage pricing, and they provide additional avenues for growth. Our team takes a very disciplined and strategic approach towards these discussions. We are focused on short-term rate enhancements and longer-term innovation via case rates, episodic agreements, and other value-based opportunities. In Q3, we agreed to terms with 9 Medicare Advantage and commercial plans. 3 are in effect now and 6 are in credentialing with estimated effective dates by the end of this year.

This lower readmission rate is a high value proposition to our referral sources and payors.

This outcome based measure is one of the driving factors and our ongoing discussions with Medicare advantage payers.

Our pair innovation team has been very busy.

Well, we continue to have regular meetings with the national payers, we recognize that local and regional agreements are critical to the slow but steady progress, we're making with our Medicare advantage pricing and they provide additional avenues for growth.

Our team takes a very disciplined and strategic approach towards these discussions.

We are focused on short term rate enhancements and longer term innovation via case rates episodic agreements and other value based opportunities.

In the third quarter, we agreed to terms with nine Medicare advantage and commercial plans.

Three are in effect now and six are in Credentialing with estimated effective dates by the end of this year.

All of these contracts are regional or multi state plans.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: All of these contracts are regional or multi-state plans. We have been successful in negotiating 6 of these contracts as episodic payment arrangements, with 4 of the 6 being at full Medicare rates. 3 are per visit arrangements with improved rates versus our current agreements. Each successful agreement creates access for these patients to our home health care and, in turn, the data we need to continue to reinforce our value proposition. In hospice, the strategic and operational changes previously made are starting to gain traction. From Q2 to Q3, we saw growth in admissions and average daily census. Our increase in admissions came from hospital settings. While this lowers our average length of stay, it is an important step in diversifying our referral sources. Hospice referrals increased 5.2% year-over-year and 1.6% sequentially.

We have been successful in negotiating six of these contracts as episodic payment arrangements with four of the six being at full Medicare rates.

Three our per visit arrangements with improved rates versus our current agreements.

Each successful agreement creates access for these patients to our home health care and in turn the data we need to continue to reinforce our value proposition.

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In hospice, the strategic and operational changes previously made are starting to gain traction.

From quarter to quarter, three we saw growth in admissions and average daily census.

Our increased admissions came from hospital settings.

Well this lowers our average length of stay it is an important step in diversifying our referral sources.

Hospice referrals increased five 2% year over year, and one 6% sequentially.

In addition to our focus on growth at our existing locations. We remain focused on our de novo strategy and pursuit of acquisitions.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: In addition to our focus on growth at our existing locations, we remain focused on our de novo strategy and pursuit of acquisitions. We have opened three de novos year-to-date and expect to open another three to four in Q4. The pipeline of our de novos remains full for early 2023 as well. We are experiencing delays with local licensing agencies and timing of location surveys. These delays are beyond our control and are impacting the timeliness in which we can open these new locations. Our acquisition pipeline is robust. In October, we acquired Caring Hearts Hospice in Northeast Texas, adding four locations to our hospice portfolio. Yesterday, we acquired the one location of Unity Hospice in Arizona. We evaluate the opportunities in our pipeline carefully with our team's due diligence focused on ensuring we commit our capital to those with the highest growth potential.

We have opened three to know those year to date and expect to open another three to four in the fourth quarter.

The pipeline of our de Novo's remains full for early 2023 as well.

We are experiencing delays with local licensing agencies and timing of location surveys.

These delays are beyond our control and are impacting the timeliness and which we can open these new locations.

Our acquisition pipeline is robust in October we acquired caring Hearts hospice in northeast, Texas, adding four locations to our hospice portfolio.

Yesterday, we acquired the one location of unity hospice in Arizona.

We evaluate the opportunities in our pipeline carefully with our teams due diligence focused on ensuring we commit our capital to those with the highest growth potential.

Our work in 2022 has been to develop the foundation that will drive our future success.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Our work in 2022 has been to develop the foundation that will drive our future success. Our priorities continue to include human capital resources to drive recruitment and retention, our payer innovation team, hospice strategic and operational change, and increasing sales headcount in markets with improved staffing. While we've made progress in each of these areas, this is a journey. We have yet to realize the full potential of each initiative. With less than two months remaining in 2022, we felt it was prudent to update our guidance. These updates shift guidance to revenues of $1.07 to $1.08 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $150 to $155 million. While we may experience some near-term choppiness, we continue our work to position Enhabit for long-term success.

Our priorities continue to include human capital resources to drive recruitment and retention our payer innovation team.

Hospice strategic and operational change.

And increasing sales head count in markets with increased staffing.

Well, we've made progress in each of these areas. This is a journey, we have yet to realize the full potential of each initiative.

With less than two months remaining in 2022, we felt it was prudent to update our guidance.

These updates shift guidance to revenues of one point O seven to one point O 8 billion and adjusted EBITDA of 150 to 155 million.

While we may experience some near term Choppiness, we continue our work to position hub and habit for long term success.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: I will now turn it over to Crissy to cover more details of the quarter's performance and our guidance.

I will now turn it over to Crissy to cover more details of the quarter's performance and our guidance.

Crissy Carlisle: Thanks, Barb. Consolidated net revenue was $265.7 million for the quarter, down $8.2 million or 3% year-over-year. We estimate the full resumption of sequestration and the continued shift to more non-episodic payers in home health decreased our revenue by approximately $10 million year-over-year. It's also important to remember that the impact of these two items falls directly to the bottom line. Adjusted EBITDA decreased $11.3 million or 26.3% year-over-year, and also includes the impact from lower volumes in hospice, the impact of inflation, incremental administrative and general expenses as a standalone company, and the disruption from Hurricane Ian. In our home health segment, total admissions increased 2.7% year-over-year, primarily due to continued strong growth in non-episodic admissions.

Thanks, Barb consolidated net revenue was $265 7 million for the quarter down $8 2 million or 3% year over year.

We estimate the full resumption of sequestration and the continued shift to more non episodic payers in home health.

Decreased our revenue by approximately $10 million year over year. It's also important to remember that the impact of these two items falls directly to the bottom line.

Adjusted EBITDA decreased $11 3 million or 26, 3% year over year and also includes the impact from lower volumes in hospice the impact of inflation, Inc.

Incremental administrative and general expenses as a Standalone company and the disruption from hurricane in.

And our home Health segment total admissions increased two 7% year over year, primarily due to continued strong growth in non episodic admissions in.

Crissy Carlisle: In Q3 2022, our non-episodic admissions grew to approximately 23% of our total home health visits during the quarter. In Q3 2021, non-episodic patients comprised approximately 18% of our total visits. We estimate the impact of this payer mix shift was approximately $5 million on revenue and adjusted EBITDA during Q3 2022. On a year-to-date basis, we estimate the impact of this payer mix shift has been approximately $16 million. We are pleased with our continued Medicare Advantage volume growth, and as Barb discussed, we are taking steps to demonstrate our value proposition to these payers as we negotiate our contract rates.

In the third quarter of 2022, our non episodic admissions grew to approximately 23% of our total home health visits during the quarter.

In the third quarter of 2021, non episodic patients comprise approximately 18% of our total visits we.

We estimate the impact of this payer mix shift was approximately 5 million on revenue and adjusted EBITDA during the third quarter of 2022 on.

On a year to date basis, we estimate the impact of this payer mix shift has been approximately $16 million.

We are pleased with our continued Medicare advantage volume growth and as Bob discussed we are taking steps to demonstrate our value proposition to these payers as we negotiate our contract rates are.

Crissy Carlisle: Our cost per visit in home health increased 5.7% year-over-year, primarily due to merit and market rate increases for clinical staff, increased costs associated with fleet and mileage reimbursement, and increased costs associated with workers' compensation. In our hospice segment, the strategic changes we made to sales and operations are providing positive momentum. As our labor constraints from early in 2022 began to ease, we were able to accept more patients from our increasing number of referral sources. Our hospice admissions increased 5.2% sequentially from Q2. For the first time this year, our average daily census increased sequentially, growing 1.1%. Hospice cost per day increased 6% year-over-year, primarily due to increased use of contract labor, lower clinical productivity, and increased costs associated with fleet and mileage reimbursement.

Our cost per visit in home health increased five 7% year over year, primarily due to merit and market rate increases for clinical staff.

Increased costs associated with fleet, and mileage reimbursement and increased costs associated with workers compensation.

In our hospice segment, the strategic changes, we made to sales and operations are providing positive momentum.

As our labor constraints from early in 2022 began to ease we were able to accept more patience from our increasing number of referral sources, our hospice admissions increased five 2% sequentially from the second quarter and for the first time this year, our average daily census increased sequentially.

Growing 1.1%.

Hospice costs per day increased 6% year over year, primarily due to increased use of contract labor.

Lower clinical productivity and increased cost associated with fleet and mileage reimbursement.

Crissy Carlisle: Our recent positive trends in hiring are contributing to the increased use of contract labor and lower clinical productivity. In Q2, we hired over 30 new full-time nurses in our hospice segment who were not at full productivity throughout most of Q3. Because we knew we had this capacity coming online, we increased our use of contract labor during Q3. We want to show our referral sources that the capacity constraints we had earlier in 2022 are subsiding. In regards to our home office administrative and general expenses, I want to remind everyone that consolidated adjusted EBITDA for Q3 2022 includes incremental costs we incurred as a standalone company. For Q3 2021, the net overhead allocation from Encompass Health was $3.4 million.

Our recent positive trends in hiring archon tribute team to the increased use of contract labor and lower clinical productivity.

In the second quarter, we hired over 30, new full time nurses in our hospice segment, who were not at full productivity throughout most of Q3, because we knew we had this capacity coming online we increased our use of contract labor during the third quarter, we want to show our referral sources that the capacity.

The constraints, we had earlier in 2022 are subsiding.

In regards to our home office administrative and general expenses I want to remind everyone that consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2022 includes incremental cost we incurred as a stand alone company.

For the third quarter of 2021, the net overhead allocation from encompass health was $3 $4 million.

Crissy Carlisle: For Q3 2022, we recorded standalone company cost of $5.2 million. These costs include expenses associated with the transition services agreement we have with Encompass Health, as well as costs we are incurring to ramp up our team and their resources. Let's transition now to the balance sheet. Information on our debt and liquidity metrics is included on page 18 of the supplemental slides that accompanied our earnings release. We exited the quarter with net leverage of 3.1x, and we had approximately $224 million of available liquidity. We expect our net leverage to increase in Q4 based on our expected adjusted EBITDA range, and because we will likely need to draw on the revolver, given acquisition spending during the quarter and a $15 million deferred payroll tax payment that is due.

For the third quarter of 2022, we recorded a standalone company cost of $5 $2 million. These costs include expenses associated with the transition services agreement, we have with encompass health as well as costs, we're incurring to wrap up our team and their resources.

Let's transition now to the balance sheet.

Information on our debt and liquidity metrics is included on page 18 of the supplemental slides that accompanied our earnings release.

We exited the quarter with net leverage of three one times and we had approximately 224 million of available liquidity.

We expect our net leverage increase in the fourth quarter based on our expected adjusted EBITDA range, and because we will likely need to draw on the revolver given acquisition spending during the quarter and a 15 million dollar deferred payroll tax payment that is due.

I'll conclude with a few comments regarding our narrowed guidance range for full year 2022, and provide a few thoughts around 2023.

Crissy Carlisle: I'll conclude with a few comments regarding our narrowed guidance range for full year 2022 and provide a few thoughts around 2023. We continue to operate in a challenging environment. In home health, our non-episodic payer mix continues to grow as a percent of our total visits. While our hospice segment is making progress in recovering its volumes, the recovery is progressing slowly. In addition, while we are pleased with the progress we are making in improving our clinical capacity in both segments, we are having to pay more for these clinicians and use contract labor to keep our referral pipeline strong as the new staff ramp up. As mentioned earlier, Hurricane Ian impacted our home health operations. In addition, normal seasonal patterns are not holding. Historically, Q4 is one of the strongest quarters of the year for our business.

We continue to operate in a challenging environment.

In home health, our non episodic payer mix continues to grow as a percent of our total visits and while our hospice segment is making progress in recovering its volume the recovery is progressing slowly.

In addition.

While we are pleased with the progress we are making in improving our clinical capacity in both segments. We are having to pay more for these clinicians and used contract labor to keep our federal pipeline as strong as the new staff ramp up.

And as mentioned earlier hurricane and impacted our home health operations.

In addition, normal seasonal patterns are not holding.

Historically, the fourth quarter is one of the strongest quarters of the year for our business.

Crissy Carlisle: October got off to a slow start. While it ended stronger than it started, we believe a conservative approach to our guidance is prudent at this time. We now believe adjusted EBITDA for 2022 will be in the range of $150 million to $155 million. In regards to free cash flow, we currently expect to generate between $89 million and $106 million in 2022. We plan to use our free cash flow to fund growth in our business. As for 2023, it's too early to provide specifics. At a high level, these are the factors that should be considered when thinking about next year. In both segments, we will not anniversary the resumption of sequestration until July 1. Medicare pricing in Q1 will be impacted by 2%.

October got off to a slow start while it ended stronger than it started we believe a conservative approach to our guidance is prudent at this time.

We now believe adjusted EBITDA for 2022 will be in the range of 150 million to $155 million.

In regards to free cash flow, we currently expect to generate between $89 million and 106 million in 2022.

We plan to use our free cash flow to fund growth in our business.

As for 2023, it's too early to provide specifics.

At a high level. These are the factors that should be considered when thinking about next year.

In both segments, we will not anniversary the resumption of sequestration until July 1st Medicare pricing in the first quarter will be impacted by 2% in the second quarter will experience, an additional 1% for sequestration year over year.

Crissy Carlisle: In Q2, we'll experience an additional 1% for sequestration year over year. In home health, we've already discussed the final Home Health Rule in regards to Medicare pricing. In addition, we expect the percent of our non-episodic visits as a percent of total home health visits to continue to increase. In hospice, we expect the strategic and operational changes we've made to continue returning our average daily census to historic levels. For pricing, we expect our reimbursement rate increase in hospice to be in line with the final rule at 3.8% for Q1, Q2, and Q3 of the year. In regards to cost, we expect inflationary and macroeconomic pressures will continue to persist. During 2022, our labor costs have increased between 5% and 6%.

In home health, we have already discussed the final home health rule in regards to Medicare pricing. In addition, we expect that percent of our non episodic visits as a percent of total home health visits to continue to increase.

In hospice, we expect the strategic and operational changes we've made to continue returning our average daily census to historic levels.

For pricing and we expect our reimbursement rate increase in hospice to be in line with the final rule at three 8% for the first three quarters of the year.

In regards to cost, we expect inflationary and macroeconomic pressures will continue to persist.

During 2022, our labor costs have increased between 5% and 6%.

Crissy Carlisle: While we expect the current labor environment to persist into 2023, we've made meaningful net new hires the last few quarters. With our continued focus on recruitment and retention, we believe we can drive volumes and improve productivity next year. Finally, we continue to believe our incremental standalone company cost will be in the range of $26 million to $28 million, and we expect to reach that run rate in the back half of 2023. We expect to provide 2023 guidance in February when we report our Q4 and full year earnings for 2022. With that, I'll ask the operator to open the lines for Q&A.

While we expect the current labor environment to persist into 2023, we've made meaningful net new hires the last few quarters.

And with our continued focus on recruitment and retention. We believe we can drive volumes and improved productivity next year.

Finally, we continue to believe our Incrementals Standalone company cost will be in the range of 26 million to $28 million and we expect to reach that run rate in the back half of 2023.

We expect to provide 2023 guidance in February when we report our fourth quarter and full year earnings for 2022 with that I'll ask the operator to open the lines for Q&A.

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Operator 2: At this time, I would like to remind everyone to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, you will be limited to one question and one follow-up. We'll pause for a moment to compile the question and answer roster. Your first question comes from the line of Joanna Gajuk from Bank of America. Your line is open.

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Your first question comes from the line of Joanna that joke from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Joanna Gajuk: Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. In terms of actually your comments around 2022 guidance or the reduction of the guidance, you said that you expect that or I guess you know the non-episodic payer mix continues to be a headwind. Are you saying that you expect the headwind to be higher in Q4? I guess you said that I get it like $5 million in Q3, and I guess $16 million year-to-date. Q4, you're saying it's gonna be a higher headwind, and then I guess you also said for 2023 on the same topic that you expect this mix to continue. Do you expect this to kind of be stable or accelerate in terms of the headwind year over year in 2023?

Good morning, Thank you for taking the question so.

In terms of actually your comments around 2022 guidance or the reduction of the guidance. So you you said that you expect.

Or I guess, you know, they're not paid mix continues to be a headwind.

So are you, saying that you expect the headwinds to be higher in Q4, I guess, you said did I get it right 5 million third quarter, and I guess 16 million year to date, So Q4, you're saying, it's going to be a higher handle it and then I guess, you'll just status with when you're three on the same topic do you expect.

Next who continues to be expected to kind of be stable accelerating in terms of the headwind year over year and 2023. Thank you.

Joanna Gajuk: Thank you.

Yeah. Joanna this is christy thanks for that question, it's certainly something that we're paying a lot of attention too as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you know 'twenty 'twenty. One we were at 18% of that payer mix it as part of our total visits.

Crissy Carlisle: Yeah. Joanna, this is Crissy. Thanks for that question. It's certainly something that we're paying a lot of attention to. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you know, 2021, we were at 18% of that payer mix and as part of our total visits. Right now for all of 2022, we expect that payer mix to be at 23%. We believe that we will exit the year slightly higher than that. Q4 is probably gonna be something closer to 24%. In 2023, again, it's a little too early. We're not gonna go too far into 2023 discussions. Again, you can draw your own conclusions just based off the historical facts.

Right now for all of 2022, we expect that that payer mix to be at 23%.

We believe that we will exit the year slightly higher than that fourth quarter's probably going to be something closer to 24%.

And then in 2023 again, it's it's a little too early we're not going to go too far into 2023 discussions, but again you can draw your own conclusions just based off the historical facts.

Thank you and if I may to follow up on the commentary around these new or revised and they contract. The nine that you highlighted.

Joanna Gajuk: Thank you. If I may, to follow up on the comment around these new or revised, I guess, MA contracts that you highlighted. It sounds like the rates improved, but sounds like not all of them moved all the way to fee-for-service. I just want to clarify that. The second, I guess, how meaningful are those contracts as a percent of your non-episodic business or your MA book? However you're willing to kind of size up these, you know, improved contracts. Thank you.

In fact, you know rates improved but sounds like not all of them moved all the way to a fee for service or just to clarify that on the second I guess, how meaningful are those contracts as a percent of your non episodic business, where you're unable however, you were willing to go to kind of size up these.

Tooth contracts. Thank you.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Sure. Of the nine, we were able to negotiate six of them at an episodic rate. The discount was about between no discount to 10% discount for those episodic contracts. On our three per visit, the good news there is that our discount averages around 25% versus that current 35% to 40%. Making progress on the discount piece of that. We will have a spread over 14 states with these nine new regional and multi-state plans. I would say, the largest volume potential is in six of our states.

Sure. So oven nine we were able to negotiate six of them at an episodic rate. The the discount was about between no discount to 10% discount for those episodic contracts on our three per visit are the good news there is that our discount averages around 25% versus that current 35% to 40.

Per cent, so making progress on the discount piece of that.

We will have a spread over 14 states with these nine new regional and Multistate plans I would say are the largest volume potential is in six of our states. It's hard to talk about volume at this point because at this stage. What we're doing is getting the list out to all of our sales team members. So that they can be communicating this to.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: It's hard to talk about volume at this point, because at this stage, what we're doing is getting the list out to all of our sales team members so that they can be communicating this to our referral sources so that they know these are new regional contracts that we can now accept referrals on. Certainly hope to have more information on that in the new year, but a little too early to say how it will impact the volume.

Our referral sources, so that they know these are new regional contracts that we can now accept referrals on so certainly hope to have more information on that in the new year, but a little too early to say, how it will impact the volume.

Yeah. It was I was actually thinking just to quantify like how big these are.

Joanna Gajuk: Yeah, I was actually thinking just to quantify like how big these are in your current business, how meaningful, you know, those changes on these rates would be for a contract. I guess the second question here would be like, are you expecting new volumes? I was actually initially asking about how meaningful are these contracts as a percentage of your business?

In your current business, how meaningful those changes on these rates would be for a contract, but I guess the second question here would be like are you expecting your volumes, but I was initially asking you about how meaningful are these contracts as a percentage of your business.

I mean, it's.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: I mean, it's, well, they're all new contracts, so it's all new volume, so they don't have an impact on the current rates with current contracts.

Well, they're all new contracts. So it's all new volume. So they don't have an impact on the current rates with current contract would it be all of the new with new volume. This is part of more contracts and better contracts.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: These would all be new with new volume.

Joanna Gajuk: Okay.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: These would all be new with new volume.

Crissy Carlisle: This is part of more contracts.

Joanna Gajuk: Okay, great.

Crissy Carlisle: better contracts.

Okay, Great. That's great reputation. Thank you yeah I was under the impression that this was existing.

Joanna Gajuk: Okay, great.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Now what-

Joanna Gajuk: That's great clarification. Thank you. Because, yeah, I was under the impression that this was existing business that you kind of improved their contract. It sounds these are completely new contracts.

Business that you would kind of improve their contracting with thousands of completing your country. Yes. They are.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Yes, they are.

Perfect. Thank you.

Joanna Gajuk: Perfect. Thank you.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Sure.

Sure.

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Castle, whereby from Citi. Your line is open.

Operator 2: Your next question comes from the line of Jason Cassorla from Citi. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jason Cassorla from Citi. Your line is open.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Good morning.

Good morning.

Jason Cassorla: Good morning. Great, thanks. Just with the 55 net new nursing hires in Q3, while incrementally positive, the pace of hires slowed from the 96 in Q2. I guess it'd just be helpful if you could discuss the pacing of those net new hires month-over-month throughout the course of Q3. Then, sorry if I missed this, but can you give us an update on the total number of staffing constrained locations? Then just a quick one there. You know, then maybe just how about what inning do you think you're currently at in terms of reaching a staffing level that you wouldn't kind of result in capacity restrictions as you define them? Any help there on the hiring front would be great.

Good morning, great. Thanks, Tom.

The 55, net new nursing hires in the quarter.

Why don't we pause with the pace of higher slowed from the 96 in the second quarter. So I guess it'd just be helpful. If you could discuss the pacing of those net new hires month over month throughout the course of the third quarter and then sorry, if I missed this but can you give us an update on the total number of staffing constrained locations.

Quick one there.

And then maybe just help us what inning do you think youre currently in.

Terms of reaching a staffing level that you wouldnt kind of result.

Past few restrictions as you define them so any help there on the hiring front would be great sure.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Sure. On your first question, certainly the 55 net new hires was, you know, less than we had experienced. We did have a really sluggish quarter on a candidate pool inflow, and that was actually pretty sluggish throughout Q3. We didn't really start seeing an increase in our applicants until October. In fact, we were looking at that yesterday. Our nursing applicants for the month of October ended 11% higher compared to the monthly averages in Q3. So we're glad to see the actual applicant candidate flow improve. On the restrained locations, home health stayed pretty stable from Q2 to Q3. Now, some of that's because they're not the same branches. They move, you know, in and out.

Sure on your first question certainly the 55 net new hires with you know less than we had experienced we did have a really sluggish quarter. If on a candidate pool inflow and that was actually pretty sluggish throughout the third quarter. We didn't really start seeing an increase in our applicants until October .

In fact, we were looking at that yesterday, our nursing applicants for the month of October ended 11% higher compared to the monthly averages in quarter. Three so we're glad to see that the actual Apple 10 candidate flow improve on the restrained locations home health stayed pretty stable from second quarter to third quarter.

Now some of that's because they're not the same branches they move in and out some of them have actually grown to having a constraint so that they need to actually post for additional positions because they've grown to a level of where they werent constrained before and now they are so second quarter for home, how our second quarter to third quarter for home health remained stable.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Some of them have actually grown to having a constraint so that they need to actually post for additional positions because they've grown to a level of where they weren't constrained before and now they are. Q2 to Q3 for home health remained stable. On hospice, we actually are down to 11 constrained locations versus 17 in Q2. That's really speaks to, you know, what Chrissy was talking about on those positive hires, that we saw for hospice. We are seeing the staffing constrained locations for hospice improve.

On hospice, we actually are down to 11 constrained locations versus 17 in quarter. Two that's really speaks to you know what Chris He was talking about on those positive hires that we saw for hospice. So we are seeing the staffing constrained locations for hospice improve.

Got it okay. Thanks, and then just as a follow up on the final 23 Medicare rates with some reprieve from the proposed rule I'm curious if you think the right development there would impact the home halls, M&A pipeline, but you have.

Jason Cassorla: Got it. Okay, thanks. Just as a follow-up on the final 23 Medicare rates with some reprieve from the proposed rule, I'm curious if you think the rate development there would impact the home health M&A pipeline. You know, you've discussed a greater near-term focus on the hospice assets, but any thoughts on the pipeline for home health just given the rate update would be great. Thanks.

Discussed a greater near term focus on the hospital hospice assets, but any thoughts on the pipeline for home health just given the rate update would be would be great. Thanks sure I'll comment and then I'll see if Chris has anything to add you know I think it will be interesting to see because you know certainly there were many that kind of took a step back with the proposed rule out there it will be interesting.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Sure. I'll comment and then I'll see if Chrissy has anything to add. You know, I think it will be interesting to see because, you know, certainly there were many that kind of took a step back with the proposed rule out there. It will be interesting to see if more come online now because, you know, obviously there's clarity for next year, but not for future at this point. They're already feeling not only the constraints of labor, but also the impact of that MA shift even for the smaller, you know, mom and pop agencies. I do think it will be interesting to see if we see an increase in the pipeline for home health. I'll let Chrissy add to that.

See if more come come online now because you know, obviously theres not theres clarity for next year, but not for future at this point.

They're already feeling not only the constraints of our labor, but also the impact of that and they shift even for the smaller mom and pop agency. So I do think it will be interesting to see if we see an increase in the pipeline for home health and I'll, let kristy add to that or so you're you're absolutely right I think our pipeline is good.

Crissy Carlisle: You're absolutely right. I think our pipeline is geared a little more towards hospice right now. As Barb mentioned, we are prioritizing opportunities that offer the greatest growth opportunity for our business. When we look at these opportunities, we're looking at, you know, Medicare beneficiaries in the market, opportunities for scale and density in that market, and overlap with existing service lines. Now especially we've added staff availability when we're looking at markets. That's a critical success factors. Specific to home health, you know, we do believe that the reimbursement uncertainty and that continued shift to the lower paying Medicare Advantage contracts may push some to market. Those sellers are gonna have to acknowledge the reimbursement uncertainty and its impact on multiples, especially the onesie-twosie smaller players.

A little more towards hospice right now and as Bob mentioned, we are prioritizing opportunities that offer the greatest growth opportunity for our business when.

When we look at these opportunities we're looking at you know Medicare beneficiaries and the market opportunities for scale and density in that market overlap with existing service lines and now, especially we've added staff availability when we're looking at markets. That's a critical success factors.

Specific to home health.

We do believe that the reimbursement uncertainty and that continued shift to the lower paying a Medicare advantage contracts.

May push them to market those sellers are gonna have to acknowledge the reimbursement uncertainty and its impact on multiples.

Especially the the onesie twosies smaller players.

Crissy Carlisle: We're certainly not taking home health opportunities off the table, but we are scrutinizing them more, currently.

So we're we're certainly not taking home health opportunities off the table, but we are scrutinized scrutinizing them more on currently.

Crissy Carlisle: We're certainly not taking home health opportunities off the table, but we are scrutinizing them more, currently.

Got it okay I appreciate all the color. Thanks.

Jason Cassorla: Got it. Okay. Appreciate all the color. Thanks.

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Operator 2: Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Brian Tanquilut from Jefferies. Your line is open.

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Your next question comes from the line of Brian can't collect from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Brian Tanquilut: Hey, good morning. I guess my question for you guys first, Chrissy or Barb, as I think about the long-term guidance ranges that you provided, you know, pre spin-off completion and where we stand today, I mean, how are you thinking about, you know, some of the growth rates that you had provided in the past and, you know, maybe looking past, you know, some of this near term volatility? I mean, how are you thinking about the business in general in terms of the opportunities to grow organically, and get some margin expansion and recovery from here?

Hey, good morning.

I guess my question for you guys first Kris Barton as I think about.

The long term guidance ranges that you provided pre spinoff completion, and where we stand today I mean, how are you thinking about the growth rates that you had.

Provided in the past and maybe looking past the near term volatility I mean, how are you thinking about the business in general in terms of the opportunities to grow organically.

And get some margin expansion and recovery from here.

Yeah, Brian This is Kristina I really appreciate that question and the focus on the long term and not the near term.

Crissy Carlisle: Yeah. Brian, this is Crissy, and I really appreciate that question and the focus on the long term and not the near term. You know, the factors that combine to support the long term really haven't changed. It's the efficacy of home care. It's undeniable. The continuing to grow preference for home-based care, the cost efficiency of home-based care, the demographic tailwind, all of those factors remain in place and haven't changed. We have, you know, a long-term target out there of home health at volume growth at 10%+. Within our home health service line, we believe that our use of care transitions coordinators, our geographic coverage, our willingness and ability to treat high acuity and polychronic patients, all of those factors makes us an attractive partner in preferred provider arrangements and with referral sources.

The factors that combined to support the long term I really haven't changed as the efficacy of home care. It's undeniable the continuing to grow preference for home based care the cost efficiency of home based care the demographic tailwind all of those factors remain in place and have.

What changed.

We have you know our long term target out there of home health it on volume growth at 10 plus percent.

Within our home Health service line, we believe that our use of care transition coordinators, our geographic coverage.

Our willingness and ability to treat high acuity and poly chronic patients.

All of those factors makes us an attractive partner in preferred provider arrangements and with referral sources.

Crissy Carlisle: In addition, as you've heard us say numerous times, our hospital readmission rates are over 300 basis points lower than the national average, and they're lower than our peers. That drives value to payers and makes us a provider of choice. We believe that there will be industry consolidation opportunities as we just talked about. That's gonna be fueled by reimbursement uncertainty, you know, all the factors that we've already talked about. We think that's gonna play well into our multifaceted home health growth strategy. In regards to hospice, that target that you mentioned is 10% to 15% volume growth. We believe hospice is a significant area of opportunity for us. Hospice use among Medicare beneficiaries has grown substantially in recent years and still is underused by those that are eligible for it.

In addition, as you've heard US say numerous times our hospital readmission rates are over 300 basis points lower than the national average and they're lower than our peers and that drives value to payers and makes us a provider of choice.

And so we believe that there will be industry consolidation opportunities that we just talked about.

That's gonna be fueled by reimbursement uncertainty you know all the factors that we've already talked about and then.

We think that's going to play well into our multifaceted home health growth strategy.

In regards to the hospice that target that you mentioned is 10% to 15% volume growth. We believe hospice is a significant area of opportunity for us hospice use among Medicare beneficiaries has grown substantially in recent years and steel its under used by those that are eligible for it.

And we believe that the changes, we're making in our hospice business.

Crissy Carlisle: We believe that the changes we're making in our hospice business, such as the new staffing model that we've talked about, the diversification of referral sources, all of those factors, we believe sets us up for success in that growing area. For these reasons, we really haven't taken the long-term admissions growth targets off the table at this time. I think the key success factors to achieving those long-term targets include recognition of the value proposition by Medicare Advantage payers, things that lead to episodic rates. Near term, higher per visit rates, longer term, episodic rates. It's going to be dependent on our ability for to be acquisitive, and then of course, our de novo strategy plays a part in that as well. Again, at this time, we continue to support those.

Such as the new staffing model that we've talked about the diversification of our referral sources all of those factors, we believe sets us up for success in that growing area.

So for these reasons, we really haven't taken the long term admissions growth targets off the table at this time and I think the key success factors to achieving those long term targets include recognition.

The recognition of the value proposition by Medicare advantage payers.

Things that lead to episodic rate, so near term higher per visit rates longer term episodic rate it.

It's going to be dependent on our ability for them to be acquisitive.

And then of course, our de Novo strategy plays a part in that as well.

So again at this time, we continue to support those will continue to monitor those and provide an update to the investigator assessment community.

Crissy Carlisle: We'll continue to monitor those and provide an update to the investment community, as part of our Q4 2022 earnings call in February.

As part of our Q4 and 2022 earnings call in February and Brian I'm, just going to add to what Chris. He said I mean, it's why we're putting such a focus on the recruitment and retention. Obviously early on it was on comp benefits not you know now it's more on flex the flexibility and opportunities for growth because as Kristie mentioned I think the growth is all there.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Brian, I'm just gonna add to what Chrissy said. I mean, it's why we're putting such a focus on the recruitment and retention. Obviously, early on, it was on comp benefits. Now, you know, now it's more on flexibility and opportunities for growth because as Chrissy mentioned, I think the growth is all there. We have to staff so that we can have that growth.

We have to staff so that we can have that growth.

Got it Okay, and then I guess shifting gears a little bit here since you mentioned EMEA.

Brian Tanquilut: Got it. Okay. I guess shifting gears a little bit here, since you mentioned MA and, you know, congrats on getting some of these new contracts. As I think about your existing MA business, I know it's heavy per visit right now, right? Just curious, you know, what are those conversations like with some of the existing clients in order to try to drive that rate growth? Because obviously that's where a lot of the growth is coming from, at least in the post-acute discharges, it seems like it's heavily weighted to MA. Just curious what the strategies are there and then what the conversations are like.

Congrats on getting some of these new contracts, but as I think about your existing business I know it's heavy.

For a visit right now so just curious.

What are those conversations like with some of the existing clients in order to try to drive that rate growth, because obviously, that's where a lot of the growth is coming from.

Post acute discharge isn't it seems like it's been so heavily weighted to M&A. So just curious what the what the strategies are there and then what the conversations are like.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: Sure. Well, I think the one thing to know that I've certainly learned, you know, with my time spending, especially with the large plans, is that while they do verbalize interest in, you know, value point, value-based agreements, episodic or case rates, they do also remain today very focused on their unit cost. For example, with one of the national payers right now, we're having discussions on, you know, well, could we pilot in one of your regions where you're struggling with access issues, could we pilot whether it's a higher per visit or episodic or some other rate structure to, A, prove that you would have improved access for your members, but also then use that data to go back and kinda get away from this unit cost and look at how does it really impact overall cost.

Sure So well I think the one thing to know that I've certainly learned a.

With my time spending, especially with the Nash the large plans is that well, while they do verbalized interest and value plant value based agreements episodic or case rates. They do also remained today very focused on their unit cost and so for example, with one of the National payers right now we're having discussions on.

We pilot in one of your regions, where you're struggling with access issues could we pilot, whether it's a higher per visit or episodic or some other rate structure to a prove that you would have improved access for your members. But also then use that data to go back and kind of get away from this unit cost and look at how does it really is.

Packed overall cost. So you know, we're we're offering different things, including our original pilot just to be able to try to move things along quicker with particularly the national payers I would say, though that one of the things that we do use though is we use the plans that we have to try to continue to try to grow our episodic. So for example, when.

Barb Jacobsmeyer: You know, we're offering different things, including a regional pilot, just to be able to try to move things along quicker with, particularly the national payers. I would say though that one of the things that we do use though is we use the plans that we have to try to continue to grow episodic. For example, when we look at referral sources that sent us both UHC and Medicare, those referral sources sent us 3% more Medicare year-over-year in Q3. Now, they did send us 210% more UHC, but it's the positive growth that we saw from those referral sources in Medicare, and that's what we need to continue to be focused on in our markets.

We look at referral sources that sent us both UHC and Medicare those referral sources center, 3% more Medicare year over year and quarter. Three now they did find is 210% more UHC, but it's the positive growth that we saw from those referral sources in Medicare and that's what we need to continue to be focused.

On in our markets.

Got it I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Brian Tanquilut: Got it. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Okay.

There are no further questions at this time, Ms. Jennifer Hill, I turn the call back over to you.

Operator 2: There are no further questions at this time. Ms. Jennifer Hills, I turn the call back over to you.

Operator: There are no further questions at this time. Ms. Jennifer Hills, I turn the call back over to you.

Thank you Abby a replay of this call will be available on our website. Thank you again for joining today's call.

Jennifer Hills: Thank you, Abby. A replay of this call will be available on our website. Thank you again for joining today's call.

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