Q3 2022 SWK Holdings Corp Earnings Call
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Joining me on to joining me on today's call from <unk> Holdings as Jodi stacks.
Multiple speakers: [Jason Rando] Joining me on today's call from SWK Holdings is Jody Staggs, President, Interim CEO; and Yvette Heinrichson, Chief Financial Officer. They will provide an update on SWK's third quarter and year-to-date corporate and financial results. Jody, go ahead. [Jody Staggs] Thanks, Jason. And thanks to everyone for joining our third quarter conference call. I'm excited to be speaking to you in my new role with SWK. This has been a productive past few months for the SWK team, and I look forward to sharing our progress.
They will provide an update on <unk> third quarter and year to date corporate and financial results.
Jodie go ahead.
Thanks, Jason.
Thanks, everyone for joining our third quarter conference call I'm excited to be speaking to you in my new role at <unk> U K.
This has been a productive past few months for the <unk> team and I look forward to sharing our progress.
This has been a productive past few months for the SWK team, and I look forward to sharing our progress.
Jody Staggs: However, before doing so, I want to thank our Board for helping to ensure a successful leadership transition. And I also want to thank my predecessor, Winston Black, who has left SWK in a strong position. Winston is a longtime friend and mentor. I'm grateful for this opportunity to build on the foundation he's left.
I'm grateful for this opportunity to build on the foundation he has left.
I'd like to start with an overview of how I see the current business as well as a vision of where we're going.
Jody Staggs: I'd like to start with an overview of how I see the current business as well as a vision of where we are going. SWK's mission is to be the partner of choice for small to midsized life science companies seeking non-dilutive financing to fuel the development and commercialization of important lifesaving technologies.
Since 2012, <unk> completed transactions with nearly 50 parties funding almost $700 million.
Jody Staggs: Since 2012, SWK has completed transactions with nearly 50 parties, funding almost $700 million. We think the results and the numbers produced over the past decade demonstrate that we are fishing in an attractive pond. Our focus is financing in the $5 million to $25 million range, and we have created a niche in non-name-brand sponsored situations, a memory competitive field. We also focus on smaller off-the-road royalties, while most larger competitors gravitate towards Tier 1 high-profile royalties.
I will focus its financings in the $5 billion to $25 million range, and we have created a niche and non name-brand sponsored situations are minimally competitive field.
We also focus on smaller afterwards royalties, while most larger competitors gravitate towards tier one high profile royalties.
We believe I think the numbers demonstrate that the returns in this segment are highly attractive.
Jody Staggs: We believe and think the numbers demonstrate that the returns in this segment are highly attractive. SWK targets a low to mid-teens return on our financings. During the third quarter, our effective yield was 14.3%, while our realized yield was 17.5%. We believe these returns are at the high end of our comp group. Our sweet spot has been and remains financings in the $7.5 million to $15 million range. However, in the third quarter, we closed 225 million financings with larger borrowers, demonstrating that our platform is valuable to companies on the larger end of our target range.
During the third quarter, our effective yield was 14, 3%, while our realized yield was 17, 5%.
We believe these returns are at the high end of our comp group.
Our sweet spot has been and remains financings in the seven 5% to $50 million range. However, in the third quarter, we closed $225 million financings with larger borrowers demonstrating that our platform is valuable to companies on the larger end of our target range.
I think about the value of SDK in two buckets.
Jody Staggs: I think about the value of SWK in two buckets. The first bucket is our financial and balance sheet assets. And the second bucket is our intangible assets. I think our financial assets are somewhat obvious to all, and you can certainly review these in the press release in the marketing deck. The first is our existing portfolio of yielding finance receivables and other tangible book value assets, and this is about $19.14 a share. The second is our deferred tax asset, which is on our books for $1.45 a share.
I think our financial assets or somewhat obvious to all of you can certainly review these and the press release and the marketing deck.
The first is our existing portfolio of yielding finance receivables and other tangible book value assets and this is about $19 14 a share.
The second is our deferred tax asset, which is on our books for $1 35, a share and a third of our tariff assets, which are on our books for just over $1 a share.
Jody Staggs: And the third is our insurance assets, which are on our books for just over $1 a share. What may not be as apparent to everyone is the intangible assets that SWK has built over the past decade. The first of these is a highly motivated and skilled team. Our corporate team currently is six, which will increase to seven next week, and we anticipate adding a couple of additional investment professionals in 2023. While the team isn't large, the team does possess the skill set specific to succeed in our market vertical. The second intangible asset is our reputation as a trusted partner. More partners and real sources know SWK will do what we say we will do and do sell in a timely fashion. They also know that we'll treat our partners with respect. And this hasn't taken years to build. It is an asset that we protect. The third intangible asset is an extensive proprietary deal sourcing via our network of executives, Board members, intermediaries, co-lenders and former deal partners.
Everyone is intangible asset that <unk> has built over the past decade. The first of these is a highly motivated and skilled team.
Our corporate team currently has six which will increase to seven next week and we anticipate adding a couple of additional investment professionals in 2023.
While the team doesn't large the team does possess the skill set specific to succeed in our market vertical.
The second intangible asset is our reputation as a trusted partner. More partners and real sources know SWK will do what we say we will do and do sell in a timely fashion. They also know that we'll treat our partners with respect. And this hasn't taken years to build. It is an asset that we protect. The third intangible asset is an extensive proprietary deal sourcing via our network of executives, Board members, intermediaries, co-lenders and former deal partners.
More partners and referral sources no Seb Kate will do what we say, we will do and do so in a timely fashion. They also know that will treat our partners with respect and this hasn't been taken years to build is an asset that we protect.
And this hasn't taken years to build. It is an asset that we protect. The third intangible asset is an extensive proprietary deal sourcing via our network of executives, Board members, intermediaries, co-lenders and former deal partners.
This network also can provide references for potential borrowers.
Jody Staggs: This network also can provide references for potential borrowers. And fourth, we have a strong underlying track record with a 20% IRR and 1.4 times MOIC on our 30 exits. Looking ahead, our leadership team is energized to build upon these valuable assets as we seek to scale our platform and drive per share value. We will do this while maintaining underwriting discipline and always with an eye to protecting and growing our shareholders' capital.
On our 30 exits.
Looking ahead, our leadership team is energized to build upon these valuable assets as we seek to scale our platform and drive per share value.
We will do this while maintaining underwriting discipline and always with an eye to protecting and growing our shareholders' capital.
The good news is we don't have to reinvent the wheel and can you utilize a tried and true path.
Jody Staggs: The good news is, we don't have to reinvent the wheel and can utilize a tried and true path. In the near term, we need to scale the platform. To facilitate this, we are evaluating added leverage to our balance sheet, and we will do this in a responsible fashion and being mindful to our particular financing assets. While we are flexible and will consider various structures, the path of least resistance to add leverage will have two steps. The first is we need to upsize our existing ABL. Our current $22 million ABL is too small for SWK, and we're working with our existing lender to address this, and we hope to have an update on this by year-end. The second step would be to explore an unsecured bonds.
We will do this in a responsible fashion and being mindful of our particular financing assets.
While we are flexible and we'll consider various structures the path of least resistance to add leverage we will have two steps.
The first is we need to upsize, our existing ABL, our current $22 million ABL is too small for us to decay and we're working with our existing lender to address this and we hope to have an update on this by year end.
The second step would be to explore an unsecured bonds and as a reminder, earlier. This year, we filed an S. Three in anticipation of exploring this path.
Jody Staggs: As a reminder, earlier this year, we filed an S3 in anticipation of exploring this path. The bond market has clearly softened since we made that filing. But based on recent specialty finance bond offerings and considering our asset yields, we continue to think this is an attractive alternative.
We will need to receive our secured lenders approval to issue bonds.
Jody Staggs: We will need to receive our secured lenders approval to issue a bond. Adding appropriate amount of leverage has multiple benefits. First, we will improve our return on equity, which is a metric closely linked to how financial equities trade as a percent of both value. And secondly, the additional capital allows us to pursue more financings, which helped develop the SWK team and our ecosystem.
And secondly, the additional capital allows us to pursue more financings, which helped develop the SBA team and our ecosystem.
So in the near term bring on leverage deploy it and increase our ROE.
Jody Staggs: So in the near term, bring on leverage, deploy it and increase our ROE. In the medium term, we're also exploring a third-party asset management strategy. Many allocators as well as generalist credit funds find our life science niche attractive and they like the means of allocating capital to the space. SWK has a platform, know-how and track record that is valued. We are in the early stages of exploring what might be possible here and anything we do will require finding the right partner and, of course, we will need to benefit our shareholders.
Many allocators as well as generalist credit funds fund, our life science niche attractive and will likely means of allocating capital to the space.
As it became the platform Knowhow and track record that is valued.
We are in the early stages of exploring what might be possible here and anything we do will require finding the right partner and of course, we will need to benefit our shareholders.
We have taken an initial concrete step on this strategy by hiring a firm to audit our full investment track record.
Jody Staggs: We have taken an initial concrete depth on this strategy by hiring a firm to audit our full investment track record.
Jody Staggs: These initiatives are focused on driving SWK's value per share, which is our North Star. One way we can augment this metric is more capital allocation and, in particular, repurchasing stock at attractive valuations. During the third quarter, we repurchased over 34,000 shares at a $17.49 average cost via our 10b5 program. We've also been buying back stock post the quarter -- post the quarter close. It’s important that our shareholders know, we have a sophisticated board which balances the return that can be achieved by buying back stock with return from making additional loans and royalties. We don't focus on the stock price on a day-to-day basis, but over a reasonable period of time, the Board and Management Team want the stock price to reflect the value of our assets and platforms. Given SWK's strong foundation as well as a clear path to scaling the platform and driving shareholder returns, you can understand why the team is energized by the opportunity presented to us. While our portfolio companies are not immune to the current economic and capital market challenges, our outlook for the remainder of 2022 and into 2023 is optimistic. We are in communication with our existing portfolio companies to ensure they have adequate liquidity and are not in denial about the challenging environment. However, we are also playing offense and targeting several financing opportunities, as the ongoing market volatility makes our non-dilutive structures attractive to companies in need of capital. With that, I would like to turn the call to our new CFO, Yvette Heinrichson, for an update on our financial performance for the quarter.
We've also been buying back stock post the quarter post the quarter close.
It is important our shareholders know, we have a sophisticated board, which balances the return that can be achieved through buying back stock with returned for making additional loans and royalties. We don't focus on the stock price on a day to day basis, but over a reasonable period of time, the board and management team want to stock price reflects the value of our assets and platform. Given <unk> strong foundation and as long as a clear path to scaling the platform and driving shareholder returns you can understand why the team is energized by the opportunities presented to us. Our portfolio companies are not immune to the current economic and capital market challenges our outlook for the remainder of 2022 and enter 2023 is optimistic. We are in communication with our existing portfolio companies to ensure they have adequate liquidity and are not in denial about the challenging environment. However, we are also playing offense and targeting several financing opportunities at the ongoing market volatility mix, our non dilutive structure is attractive to companies in need of capital. With that I would like to turn the call to our new CFO at that Henriksen for an update on our financial performance for the quarter. Worked closely with the that for several years and I'm excited to see you are promoted to CFO .
We don't focus on the stock price on a day to day basis, but over a reasonable period of time, the board and management team want to stock price reflects the value of our assets and platform.
Given <unk> strong foundation and as long as a clear path to scaling the platform and driving shareholder returns you can understand why the team is energized by the opportunities presented to us.
Our portfolio companies are not immune to the current economic and capital market challenges our outlook for the remainder of 2022 and enter 2023 is optimistic.
We are in communication with our existing portfolio companies to ensure they have adequate liquidity and are not in denial about the challenging environment. However, we are also playing offense and targeting several financing opportunities at the ongoing market volatility mix, our non dilutive structure is attractive to companies in need of capital.
With that I would like to turn the call to our new CFO at that Henriksen for an update on our financial performance for the quarter.
Worked closely with the that for several years and I'm excited to see you are promoted to CFO .
Jody Staggs: I've worked closely with Yvette for several years and excited to see her promoted to CFO. It’s a well deserved promotion and I'm confident our financial and accounting functions are in great hands. SWK and our shareholders will benefit from initiatives that Yvette is spearheading, including optimizing our capital structure and streamlining processes required to support financial receivables growth. Yvette, I'll turn the call over to you.
<unk> and our shareholders will benefit from initiatives that a bit is spearheading, including optimizing our capital structure and streamlining processes required to support financial receivables growth that I will turn the call over to you.
Thank you Jody.
And I'm very happy to be here.
Yvette Heinrichson: Thank you, Jody. I appreciate the kind words, and I'm very happy to be here. I'd also like to thank you all for joining us this morning. SWK had a solid third quarter that was in line with expectations. As of September 30, 2022, SWK’s total investment assets grew by 8% to $222.2 million from $206.3 million for the third quarter of the previous year. Please note that, that quarter end figure does not include portfolio movement post quarter end.
<unk> had a solid third quarter that was in line with expectation.
As of September 30th clients Tam S. W. K total investment assets grew by 8%. Thank you $122 2 million.
$3 million for the third quarter of the previous year.
It was at that quarter end.
Oh, yes.
This quarter.
Yvette Heinrichson: Please note that, that quarter end figure does not include portfolio movement post quarter end.
Yvette Heinrichson: At the end of the quarter, the weighted average projected effective yield of our finance receivables portfolio, including non-accrual positions, was 14.3%. As Jody mentioned earlier, this is above SWK’s historical range and represents an increase from 13.8% from a year ago. Third quarter realized yield on finance receivables was 17.5% compared to 18.8% one year ago.
Nonaccrual possession with 14, 3%.
Jody mentioned earlier this is about.
Historical range and represents an increase from 13, 8% from a year ago.
Third quarter realized yield on finance receivables of 17, 5% compared to 18, 8% one year ago.
<unk> reported non-GAAP tangible financing book value per share.
Yvette Heinrichson: SWK reported non-GAAP tangible financing book value per share at $19.14 as of September 30, 2022. That's a 9.4% increase from $17.50 as of September 30, 2021. This figure excludes the deferred tax assets, intangible assets, goodwill and contingent consideration payable. Management use tangible financing book value per share as a relevant metric to value the company's core finance receivables segment. The finance receivables segment's adjusted return on tangible book value was 11.1% as of September 30, 2022.
That's a nine 4% increase from 17 50 as of September 32021.
This figure excludes the deferred tax assets intangible assets goodwill and contingent consideration payable.
Tangible financing book value per share is irrelevant metric to value the company at the core finance receivables.
The finance receivables segment's adjusted return on tangible book value was 11, 1% as of September 32020.
For the third quarter 2020, with USW K reported total revenues of $13 6 million.
Yvette Heinrichson: For the third quarter 2022, SWK reported total revenues of $13.6 million. This is an increase from $9.6 million for the third quarter of 2021. The increase in revenue included recognition of $5 million of milestone revenue from Cara Therapeutics.
For the third quarter of 2021.
Okay great.
<unk> included recognition of $5 million of milestone revenue from Cara Therapeutics.
Finance receivables segment revenue decreased to $8 5 million from nine five.
Yvette Heinrichson: Finance receivables segment revenue decreased to $8.5 million from $9.4 million from the previous year. The decrease in finance receivables segment revenue was primarily due to a $1.3 million net decrease in royalty income, which was primarily due to the achievement of return premium that caused a step down in royalty rates.
Increase in finance receivables segment revenue was primarily due to a $1 $3 million net decrease in royalty income, which was primarily due to the achievement of return premium the cost of a step down in royalty rates.
That decrease in revenue was partially offset by a net increase in net.
Yvette Heinrichson: That decrease in revenue was partially offset by a net increase of $0.4 million in interest and fees earned on our finance receivables. GAAP net income for the third quarter of 2022 totaled $6.6 million or $0.51 per diluted share, compared to $2.2 million or $0.17 per diluted share for the third quarter of 2021.
GAAP net income for the third quarter 2022 totaled $6 6 million or 51 cents per diluted share.
Prior to 2.2 million or 17 cents per diluted share for the third quarter of 2021.
Third quarter's net income reflected $1 1 million of severance payable to the former CEO .
Multiple speakers: [Yvette Heinrichson] The 2022 third quarter's net income reflected $1.1 million of severance payable to the former CEO. For the third quarter 2022, adjusted non-GAAP net income generated by our finance receivables segment was $6 million compared to $7.7 million for the third quarter of 2021. Back to you, Jody. [Jody Staggs] Thanks Yvette. In conclusion, SWK’s fundamentals are strong and the current market conditions are ideal for our custom financing solutions. We are working with our existing portfolio of companies to ensure they understand and are prepared for the challenging environment we face. We are urgently pursuing opportunities to scale our platform while thoughtfully deploying the capital. We are well positioned to capitalize on our reputation as a financing partner of choice for small and mid-sized life science companies. With that, I'll open the call for questions. [Operator] Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.
Back to you Jody.
Thanks for that.
In conclusion, <unk> fundamentals are strong and the current market conditions are ideal for accustomed financing solutions.
We are working with our existing portfolio companies to ensure they understand and are prepared for the challenging environment we face.
We are urgently pursuing opportunities to scale our platform, while thoughtfully deploying your capital we are well positioned to capitalize on our reputation as a financing partner of choice for small and mid sized life science companies.
Multiple speakers: [Jody Staggs] We are well positioned to capitalize on our reputation as a financing partner of choice for small and mid-sized life science companies. With that, I'll open the call for questions. [Operator] Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.
Thank you we will now begin the question and answer session.
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Today's first question comes from Kyle Boser with Lake Street Capital markets. Please go ahead.
Multiple speakers: [Operator] Today's first question comes from Kyle Bauser with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead. [Unknown] Hey guys, this is Jake on here for Kyle.
Unknown Speaker: Thanks for the updates and taking the question. I just have a couple of them for you guys today.
So to get started.
Multiple speakers: [Jody Staggs ] Hey Jacob. [Unknown] So to get started, I was just wondering about the update on timing for adding leverage to the balance sheet. I know you talked about it being in the short-term, but is that looking into Q4, Q1 early?
Yeah.
Yeah.
To me I would snap my fingers and they would happen now.
Jody Staggs: Yes. Okay. If it was up to me, I list at my fingers and it would happen now. I think the first step, I expect us to have an update, very new term on math, so fourth quarter on the ABL. The second step, which we think could be the unsecured debt. I think it could happen relatively soon. There's a few challenges there. Number one is we do have to have our unsecured when there's approval to do a bond. And so that's a focus right now. And the second is the market conditions.
The second step.
We think could be the unsecured debt I think it could happen relatively soon.
Theres a few challenges there number one is we do have to have our unsecured lenders approval to do a bond.
And so that's our focus right now.
If the market conditions.
It looks like today, we are back in the bull market. So that's great the tenure down.
Multiple speakers: [Jody Staggs] It looks like today we're back in the bull market. So that's great. The 10 years down, and it's potentially opening up a window here. Six weeks ago, folks couldn't get bonds out. So, if the market is open and we can get kind of the paperwork lined up, it's something that I think we can get done in a reasonable period of time. I don't want to say an exact date and the fourth quarter would be aggressive, but I think the watch word, I want to convey is there's a sense of urgency to get these things done. [Unknown] Yes. Thanks for elaborating on that.
Six weeks ago folks couldn't get bombed out so if the market is open and we can get.
Kind of a paperwork lined up it's something that I think we can get done in a reasonable period of time I don't want to say an exact date in the fourth quarter would be <unk>.
Thats it but.
I think the watch word I want to convey the sense of urgency to get these things done.
Yes, thanks for elaborating on that and my next one talks about head Count you mentioned you guys are currently at.
Unknown Speaker: And my next one talks about headcount. You mentioned you guys are currently at 6% and looking to be at 7%, I believe. Is there a potential need to keep adding more, or is the team all set in place?
Yes, so we have an investment professional starting Monday and D.
Jody Staggs: Yes. So, we have an investor professional starting Monday and that will bring our investment team to four, including me, and then our financial -- financing accounting team to three. I think we're at a decent baseline. We are looking and are considering bringing on sort of an experienced mid-level investment professional and then a business development person in 2023. If we can make those two hires -- and those aren't -- they are not things that need to happen tomorrow, I think that really puts the team in a great spot and gives us the kind of throughput unit to scale the platform. So, right now, I think we've got a decent baseline. If we can add those two, I think we're going to be in great shape, and we just need to find the right people. We're really focused on every hire needs to be better than the people already here. And so we're being selective.
Financial Finance and accounting team to three I think we're at a decent baseline.
We are looking and are considering bringing on sort of an experienced mid level investment professional and then a business development person in 2023.
If we can make those two hires and those arent they are not things that need to happen tomorrow, I think that really puts the team in a great spot.
It gives us the kind of throughput needed to scale. The platform. So right now I think we've got a decent baseline we can add those two I think we're going to be in great shape, and we just need to find the right people.
We're really focused on every hire needs to be better than the people who are already here and so we're being we're being selective.
Okay.
Yes, that's a good process for that and that makes a lot of sense and I just got one more for you guys today.
Unknown Speaker: Yes, that's a good process for that, and that makes a lot of sense. And I just got one more for you guys today. So, what changes are you seeing in the level of deal activity out there compared to earlier this year? Thanks.
Yes.
There's been some fits and starts.
Jody Staggs: Yes. There's been some dips and starts. Our portfolio is -- it's very healthy. If we had capital right now, I think we would have several deals that we would be pushing to close. I think what we're trying to do is really upgrade the situations we're looking at. So, the rates may be roughly the same as the things we've looked at, but we're looking to finance better assets, higher quality assets, more equity, better lender terms. There are numerous life science companies that definitely need capital and are reaching out and sort of presenting themselves to sort of second lien or kind of quasi equity situations. And then the returns on those, of course, is data returns look amazing, but we're really not focused there right now. So, pipeline is strong, lots of flow, and we're really just trying to sift through the things that kind of make sense for SWK.
Very healthy if we had capital right now I think we would have several deals that we would be.
To close.
I think what we're trying to do is really upgrade the situations. We're looking at so the rates may be roughly the same as the things you've looked at but we're looking to finance better assets high quality assets more equity better lender terms.
There are.
And numerous life science biotech companies that are in desperate need of capital and are reaching out and sort of presenting themselves to sort of second lien or kind of quasi equity situations and the returns on those of course, the state of returns of amazing but.
We're really not focused there right now so pipeline is strong lots of flow and we're really just trying to sift through the things that kind of makes sense for us and UK.
Yeah.
Awesome. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you appreciate the question.
Multiple speakers: [Unknown] Awesome. Thank you. [Jody Staggs] Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the question.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question please press star then one. Our next question comes from Scott Jensen of Private Investor.
Good morning, and congratulations Jody on.
Multiple speakers: [Operator] Please go ahead. [Scott Jensen] Good morning and congratulations, Jody, on your new position.
Stewardship of capital over the years.
Scott Jensen: And I too want to thank Winston for good stewardship of the capital over the years. I guess my first is thank you on the buyback and keep going. I'm glad that you still are. I think that's a good use of capital at these price levels. The second is you've answered most of them as far as capital and deal flow. So, thank you. As you talk about going into the asset management space, are there regulatory costs that come from that? And does that then determine the size that you need to make it a worthwhile venture?
The second is you've answered most of them as far as capital on deal flow. So thank you.
As you talk about going into the asset management space are there regulatory costs that come from that.
And does that then.
Determine the size that you need to make it a worthwhile venture.
Venture.
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Yeah, just to Echo.
Jody Staggs: Yes. Thanks for the question. Yes, just to echo Winston, the quarter -- these are -- as I said, there are seats that were planned quarters and years ago under his leadership. So, we're still benefiting from it. The asset management concept is early. It's something that makes sense for us given what we do.
These are as I've said their seeds that were planted quarters and years ago under his leadership. So we're still benefiting from it.
You had asset management concept is early it's something that makes it makes sense for us given what we do.
The specific question around regulatory costs, we do have.
Jody Staggs: The specific question around regulatory costs. We do have an OIA. So SWK, invests in OIA, so we have that already taken care of. I think a lot of it depends on what it is. Again, this is sort of me whiteboarding.
<unk> possesses an RNA. So we have that already taken care of I think a lot of it depends on what it is you know again this is sort of meet whiteboard in this business.
Necessarily a.
Our final plan, but.
Multiple speakers: [Jody Staggs] This isn't necessarily a final plan. But if you go to sort of the GP LP fund, which would be the hardest to do, I think, particularly as we would be first-time fund boats. I think -- yeah, I think you're right the cost to do that would be higher, the regulatory cost. We would need that IR outreach and of course, you've got to find those LPs that would require help. If you go all the way to the other side of a kind of like a fund of bond or maybe there's a general credit group that wants to allocate to cost space, I think the cost and the regulatory bond there is much lower. Now at the same time, you should expect the fees to scale from what's right as well. So does that answer the question? [Scott Jensen] Yes. Yeah, that helps. Thank you.
If you go all the way the other side of kind of like a fund of one or maybe there is a general credit group that wants to allocate towards space I think the cost and the regulatory burden there is much lower.
Now the same at the same time.
You should expect the fees to do scale from left to right as well so.
That answer the question.
Yes, yeah that helps thank you and I guess my next one since most have been expanded upon already is.
Scott Jensen: And I guess my next one since most have been expanded upon already is obviously, you've shown great progress at Cara, got another milestone, and you just presented your data for Ovarest in I think, last month. And I'm just kind of wondering what might be the next step there, both from a regulatory standpoint. This is a small Phase 2, but it was with an approved drug already. So that changes the need to prove that it's safe and effective. Are you thinking about partnering? Do you launch in on your own, which obviously that goes to a Phase 3 would be a higher cost structure. Are there any kind of thoughts about the next step for that drug?
I think last month and I'm, just kind of wondering what might be the next step there both from a regulatory.
Standpoint that is a small phase II, but it was with an approved drug already for that.
Changes that need to prove that it's safe and effective are ya.
Thinking about partnering.
Do you launch in on your own which obviously if it goes to a phase III.
B a higher cost structure are there any kind of thoughts about the next step.
For that drug.
Yes.
Let me kind of a general statement and then maybe a more specific statements. So.
Jody Staggs: Yeah. Let me make kind of a general statement and then maybe a more specific statement. So given the leadership change and consider we've owned Enteris for three years, I feel like it made sense to just evaluate where we are and kind of where we're going with Enteris. So I'm working with the Enteris team and an adviser to really assess value, evaluate the assets and also the cost structure. And this is a process that just kicked off, and I don't have anything further than that. But we'll be able to tell you more, I think, in the fourth quarter. So just as a general comment, I think that's important to note. In terms of -- on Ovarest, I was actually speaking to the CMO a couple of days ago. And there is some interesting findings there in terms of full suppression of Estradiol in some of the samples. And Gary went out and did a paper on this. So it's out there. In terms of what exactly that means, we're going to understand more as we do this evaluation party and work with the team, the third-party. SWK's not funding the base story, just to be very clear.
Just evaluate where we are.
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An advisor to really assess value evaluate she assets there and also the cost structure.
This is a process that just kicked off and I don't have anything further than that but.
We will be able to tell you more I think in the fourth quarter. So just as a general comment.
I think that's important in terms of.
On <unk> I would ask.
Speaking to the CMO, a couple of days ago and.
There is some interesting findings there in terms of.
Full suppression of estradiol and some of the samples and Gary went out and did a paper on this.
It's out there.
In terms of what exactly that means.
To understand more as we do this.
Valuation party and work with the team and the third party.
Okay, if not funding of phase III, just just to be very clear okay got it.
It seems like there is interesting.
Let me leave with the conclusion Thats educators know funding of phase III.
Multiple speakers: [Jody Staggs] It seems like they're interesting. [Scott Jensen] Yes. [Jody Staggs] Let me leave with the conclusion. SWK is not funding a Phase 3. So interesting asset, SWK is not in the drug development business, full stop. So hopefully, that answers your question. [Scott Jensen] Yeah. Yeah. Great. I mean just there's been so much interest in that space. The French government coming out and making it a priority to work on endometriosis. I mean there's just a lot of good interest. I would think somebody might have interest in the product. So thank you. That's great. [Jody Staggs] I think that could be right. [Scott Jensen] Okay. Great. I'll go back in line. Thanks and congratulations again. [Jody Staggs] Okay. Thank you, Scott. [Operator] Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, to ask a question please press star then one. We'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Drug development business full stop so hopefully that answers your question yes.
Great I mean, just theres been so much interest in that space, the French government coming out and making it a priority.
To work on the endometriosis I mean, theres just a lot of good interest I would think somebody might have interest in the product. So thank you that's great. It could be right. Okay, Great I'll go back in my Thanks, and congratulations again, okay. Thank you Scott. And ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask a question. Please press Star then one we'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
It could be right.
Okay, Great I'll go back in my Thanks, and congratulations again, okay. Thank you Scott.
And ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask a question. Please press Star then one we'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Multiple speakers: [Operator] And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Jody Staggs for closing remarks. [Jody Staggs] Thank you. And thanks, everyone, for joining the call. We appreciate your time and continued attention towards SWK. Please reach out to myself, Yvette or Tiberend with any follow-up questions. Have a great day. [Operator] Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call.
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