Q3 2023 Genesco Inc Earnings Call
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Good day everyone, and welcome to the Genesco 3rd Quarter Fiscal 2023 Conference Call.
Just a reminder, today's call is being recorded.
I'll now turn the call over to Daryl McQuarrie, Senior Director of FP&A. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter fiscal 2023 results.
Participants on the call expect to make forward-looking statements reflecting their expectations as of today, but actual results could be different.
Genesco refers you to this morning's earnings release and the company's SEC filings, including its most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings, for some of the factors that could cause differences from the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements made today.
Participants also expect to refer to certain adjusted financial measures during the call.
All non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to the GAAP counterparts in the attachment to this morning's press release and in schedules available on the company's website in the corner leaf results section.
We have also posted a presentation summarizing our results.
With me on the call today is Mimi Vaughn, board chair, president and chief executive officer who will begin our prepared remarks with an overview of the period and the progress we are making to drive the business.
Tom George, Chief Financial Officer, will review the quarterly financials in more detail and provide guidance for Fiscal 23. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Mimi. Thanks, Daryl. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We are pleased with our overall results, particularly sales and gross margin performance. Against last year's record third quarter, we grew revenue 4% on a constant currency basis, achieving significant improvement over the first half of the year, and comped for up 3% with every business posting positive gains. At the same time, gross margins were better than we expected as we lapped last year's unusually strong gains. The progress we have made with our footwear-focused strategy to increase digital penetration, strengthen consumer connections, grow our footwear brands, and reshape our retail cost structure has put the company in a better position.
to both outperform and favorable economic backdrops like we experienced last year, and effectively navigate the more difficult consumer and market conditions we're facing today.
The third quarter played out largely as we had anticipated, with many consumers coming out to shop when there was a reason to buy and retreating to conserve cash during the in-between period.
This was a real change from the strong selling environment a year ago when the back to school selling season extended into late September and October driven by higher consumer savings levels and pent up demand and students bought anything that was in stock and available.
Like they have since the beginning of the pandemic, our teams were prepared for whatever came their way and did an excellent job capturing demand when the consumer emerged and shopped.
At the same time, the diversity of our multi-division business and consumer segments proves beneficial.
robust spending by shoes customers in the UK, and J&M's more affluent customers in the US drove healthy top line gains.
We entered the pandemic in a position of strength, navigated the heart of the pandemic well, and emerged stronger.
That said, current market conditions presented some challenges that weighed on third quarter profitability including the return to a more normalized markdown and promotional cadence.
wage and operating cost inflation, and anniversariing some one-time major expense benefits.
Overall, I am pleased with our execution as we managed through the impact of all of this.
Other key highlights of the third quarter, in addition to the revenue growth and sequential top-line improvement include…
Both store and digital prompts were nicely positive, highlighting the strength of our omnichannel offering and channel choice we give consumers.
Digital sales, a key strategic growth priority, were up almost 75% compared to pre-pandemic levels, maintaining essentially all the pandemic growth, representing 18% of retail sales, and sustaining strong double-digit profitability.
Gross margin was better than expected as we did not partake in aggressive discounting despite an increasingly promotional environment in the US.
Adjusted EPS of $1.65 compares to last year's level of $2.36, but represents a 24% increase over pre-pandemic levels.
And, while at the same time investing in our business, we returned capital to shareholders, repurchasing about 3.5% of shares outstanding during the quarter.
So turning now to discuss each business starting with retail.
Back to School is a major driver of Q3 sales for both Journeys and Shoe.
After getting off to a slow start in late July , Journeys sales sharply accelerated in August and early September as consumers reverted to more typical back to school buying behavior.
Both fashion-athletic and casual footwear sales grew as our expert Journeys merchants delivered compelling assortments that resonated with our teen consumer.
Casual, continuous run, outstripping the growth of fashion athletics.
We did, however, see ongoing evidence of the Journeys consumer being squeezed by inflation and pressure on their wallet.
making fewer trips to shop, trading down to more excessively priced products, and pulling back on non-footwear add-on purchases.
The breadth of its assortment, careful planning for this potential shift, and strong vendor partnership allowed Journeys to meet the needs of this more budget conscious consumer.
The relentless efforts of our SOAR associates and positive in stock inventory positions drove better conversion and higher transaction size as they made the most of customers crossing Journey's deadlines.
Following a largely full price selling back to school, at the end of this key shopping event, sales flowed later in the quarter.
In addition, the business lapsed very strong growth a year ago thanks in part to last year's incentive to shop early for Christmas.
beginning in October due to limited inventory availability and earlier holiday messaging.
One specific highlight of the third quarter was Journey's double-digit digital growth, fueled by effective use of paid search, paid social, and a fleet of influencers that continued to drive Journey's brand awareness.
Importantly, research conducted during back to school and in November reaffirmed that the majority of Journey's teen customers increasingly believe shoes are the most important part of an outfit, with Journey's maintaining its position as one of the top considered retailers for shoes. Celeste Mary he300
Shifting to the UK, Shoe built on its strong first half with a solid third quarter as sales increased on a constant currency basis against very strong gains a year ago.
Like Journeys, shoe strength is identifying the right fashion trends and securing the right product and brands for its youth consumer.
The fashion trends driving shoes business largely overlap with the ones driving journeys.
The quarter started with another good back to school and despite strengthening UK economic headwinds, Shoe maintained its momentum, continuing to take share from competitors by out-assorting and out-executing.
Overall, SHU is benefiting from better access to higher tiered products from several key brands, effective marketing strategies like the introduction of its loyalty program, high levels of customer engagement such as its student events, and SHU's brand purpose pillars which are resonating with its youth consumer.
All of which are helping SHU perform well on a year-over-year basis despite the economic turbulence, exchange rate pressure, and lapping significant one-time gains.
Turning now to discuss our brands, we're excited about the potential of Johnston & Murphy and very pleased with the traction we're gaining as we reposition the brand for growth.
Our efforts to reimagine J&M for a more casual, more comfortable post-pandemic environment are delivering strong results, with Q3 sales up nearly 20%, an operating income that doubled compared to last year.
The growth has been broad-based across channels with stores up 14%, online up 20% and wholesale up 31%.
Intensified consumer marketing and fresh, new, innovative products with technology-differentiating J&M's offerings are reaching new customers and fueling market share gains.
Casual and Casual Athletics now make up most of J&M's footwear assortment and as a measure of the progress we've made, Dress Footwear, for which J&M is best known, now makes up less than 10% of overall sales.
This strategic shift has allowed us to position the brand to now reach a broader and younger consumer base, all while maintaining and building upon our premium footwear positioning and price point.
We are excited about the new direction we set, we were able to double the size of the brand in its last reset, and believe we now have the opportunity to do that again.
Finishing our brand review, solid consumer demand for licensed brands footwear was overshadowed by pressure on gross margins and expenses due to high freight expense and elevated inventory levels in the channels we serve.
We believe these issues are temporary, affecting this year and early next, and remain positive on the longer term outlook for this business.
Now, a brief update on ESG.
Following the issuance of our inaugural ESG report, we continue to get credit for the forward strides we're making.
With this foundation, and now that we've set the baseline for Genesco's global carbon footprint, we'll be working over the next several months to create a strategic roadmap for key priorities where we aspire to make further improvements.
We are advancing these efforts and will share our continued progress.
Moving on to the current quarter, we experienced a very noticeable slowdown in traffic and sales in the last few weeks of October that carried into the first few weeks of November .
Not only were we up against last year's early holiday shopping, but warmer weather hampered the start of fall and winter merchandise sales.
Sales have improved since, and we are pleased with results over Black Friday weekend. However, as we consider the remainder of the quarter, we recognize the consumer, pressured by inflation, is having to make harder choices on where they spend their money.
And, while we believe our inventories are at appropriate levels, given the heightened promotional environment, we have increased our planned promotional activity at Journeys and elsewhere over the holidays in order to be competitive as consumers search for bargains.
We are well prepared for the important holiday season with trend-ride assortments and exciting marketing campaigns.
and our teams will expend every effort to capture consumer demand.
The promotional activity we've added should also give sales a boost.
That said, the choppiness in traffic and sales, the additional promotions, and continued cost pressure we've been experiencing will weigh on results.
Taking all this into account, we're adjusting our fourth quarter expectations.
Based on this more conservative outlook, we're lowering our full year guidance range to be between $5.50 and $5.90 per share. Somewhere close to the middle of the range is where we anticipate the year will come in.
This change in outlook is reflective of the current environment.
We believe this is a moment in time and the strength of our brands and retail concepts and the strategies we're executing will show their resilience through these challenges.
Driving this are the six strategic pillars that emphasize continued investment in digital and omni-channel, deepening our consumer insights, driving product innovation, and reshaping our cost base.
I'd like to highlight some of the actions that were taken to strengthen our business as we move forward through Q4 and into next year.
First, despite near-term consumer headwinds, we are excited about our ability to grow sales both online and in stores.
After absorbing much of the pandemic's digital growth, we'll begin adding to these gains by utilizing our first-party data, the ability to now better personalize marketing, and leveraging the new customer growth we've achieved.
With digital at almost 20% of our retail business and its healthy double-digit profitability, returning to historical levels of double-digit growth contributes meaningfully.
Starting with J&M last year, SHU earlier this year, and Journeys planned for next year, we're in the early days of launching our loyalty and affinity programs, which are outperforming expectations And when you see the
driving increases in repurchase frequency and higher average order values for members.
Going forward, we will capitalize on the strong recruitment phase to excite and engage our loyal customers to induce them to concentrate bigger shares of their wallets with us, creating a tailwind for growth.
We also plan to launch new omnichannel services in North America next year, another catalyst for additional growth.
We will be adding to our store fleet for the first time in some time, opening in strategic places like off-mall locations for journeys.
Finally, the shift in J&M's assortment into Casual, Apparel, and Footwear categories, combined with our increased marketing investments and campaigns, will drive our branded platform and J&M to new levels of sales and profits.
Second, while we are increasing promotions to meet the competitive environment this holiday season, we believe the promotional environment will begin to normalize next year as industry inventories become more appropriately balanced with consumer demand.
Given the substantial declines in marine freight costs and the reduced reliance on air freight to overcome supply chain delays, we also expect to benefit from these lower shipping costs as we sell through inventory purchase this year and alleviate pressure on cost of goods in our branded business.
Finally, I'd like to touch on the operating costs that have been weighing on our P&L.
We recognize that we must aggressively double down on our ongoing efforts to battle the wage and other cost inflation we are experiencing.
The considerable leverage we've been gaining in occupancy and other areas has not been enough to overcome these headwinds.
We are committed to addressing our cost base and will have more to share, which Tom will discuss later.
In summary, our businesses are in strong and differentiated strategic positions in the consumer marketplace.
We compete in growing and fragmented markets, providing a runway for growth and opportunities to take market share.
Within our existing consumer segments, we can increase awareness, convert shoppers to buyers, build loyalty, and drive repeat purchases.
Our business has proven to be resilient during past recessions and the actions we successfully took during the pandemic provide a road-tested playbook.
Despite the current environment, our consumer ultimately wants new and fresh products and the core fashion brands we carry.
To close, I'd like to acknowledge and thank our terrific people for their outstanding work and diligent efforts throughout this challenging environment.
The work you've done has positioned us well for the holiday season, and I look forward to continued success with you as we finish out Fiscal 23.
And I will now turn the call over to Tom.
Thanks Mimi. As Mimi said, we were pleased with our results for the quarter. We have solid capabilities to not only navigate the current challenging environment, but also to maintain the safety of our customers.
But also we are confident in the ability of our footwear focused strategy to drive strong results over time.
Consolidated revenue in Q3 was $604 million, up 1% to last year.
on a constant currency basis.
Sales were up 4% and we had gains in all divisions.
Shoo's dollar sales were below last year due to significant foreign exchange pressure from the strengthening dollar.
On a comp basis, Journey's total comps were up 1%.
CHU total comps increased 3% driven by stores, and J&M continued its strength versus last year in both stores and digital.
with total comps up 20%.
Overall, total company comps were up 3% for the quarter, with store comps up 2% and direct comps up 6%.
We ended the quarter with 30 fewer stores versus a year ago as we optimize our store footprint and drive productivity in our existing store estate.
Digital sales were up almost 75% versus pre-pandemic levels.
Commerce sales accounted for 18% of total retail, which was flat to last year and up from 11% in FY20.
Wholesale was up for both J&M and licensed brands as J&M continues to have success with new product offerings and key accounts.
Gross margins were down 50 basis points to last year but were ahead of our expectations.
driven by better results for Journeys and J&M.
The main driver of the year-over-year change was to return to a more normal promotional environment.
compared to essentially none last year and increased freight expense.
business, Journey's gross margin was down 40 basis points.
Shue's gross margin was down 80 basis points pressured also by greater than expected
additions to its loyalty program.
New members use their sign up coupons right away, but ultimately the program should provide long-term growth.
as we already have seen new members purchase shoes at a greater frequency than non-members.
J&M's gross margin was down 160 basis points driven by freight logistics cost pressures.
and an unfavorable inventory reserve reversal comparison.
and licensed brands gross margin was down 100 basis points pressured by incremental freight logistics costs.
All together, increased freight and logistics costs put approximately 55 basis points
or 3.3 million of pressure on overall Q3 gross margin.
Adjusted SG&A expense was 44.3%, 270 basis points more than last year.
It is worth noting that last year we received meaningful one-time COVID rent credits and government relief during the quarter.
to the tune of seven million dollars.
Without last year's one-time credits,
Total SG&AD leveraged 150 basis points.
driven by marketing, selling, and other salary costs.
and surface freight expense while occupancy cost declined and leveraged 80 business points.
Regarding wage pressure, the competitive environment and legislated increases in minimum or living wages continue to pressure our store selling salaries and warehouse costs.
In addition, the competitive environment for talent in general is increasing our other compensation costs.
especially for IT talent to drive our initiative.
In summary, the leverage from these expenses is more than offset leverage from occupancy and lower performance-based compensation.
Rent credits aside, we are achieving great success driving occupancy costs lower.
Across the company for the first nine months of fiscal 23, we have negotiated 168 lease renewals and achieved a 16% reduction.
in straight line rent expense with a shorter average term of roughly two and a half years.
This is on top of 192 renewals.
with a 17% rent reduction last year.
With over 48% of our fleet coming up for renewal in the next couple years,
This continues to remain a key opportunity and priority.
In summary, third quarter adjusted operating income was $26.3 million, a 4.4% operating margin compared to $45.2 million, or 7.5% last year.
and 5% pre-pandemic.
The additional freight and logistics costs this year and the significant COVID rent and other credits benefit last year had a major impact.
while a more normal markdown environment, marketing investments, and the competitive wage pressures for talent.
drove the remaining impact on these results.
For the quarter, our adjusted non-gap tax rate was 19.6%.
which compares to 22.7% last year.
This all resulted in adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.65 for the quarter.
which compares to $2.36 last year and $1.33 in fiscal 2020.
Our share count is down roughly 15%.
from pre-pandemic levels.
Turning now to capital allocation in the balance sheet.
Our net cash position at the end of Q3 was negative 57 million dollars, a 324 million decrease versus last year.
During the past 12 months, our strong cash balances enabled us not only to reinvest in our business for growth, but also to accomplish the formidable task of re-inventory and at the same time return significant capital to shareholders.
In terms of specifics,
We purchased roughly $200 million of net inventory and $125 million of our outstanding shares during the past year.
While net inventories are up 200 million year over year, we believe it's more meaningful to compare this year's inventory levels to pre-pandemic Q3 fiscal 2020.
Since outside stimulus demand and supply chain limitations
resulted in unusually low inventories last year.
Inventories in Q3 this year were 563 million.
19% higher than fiscal 20 on a quarterly sales increase of 12%.
We are pleased with the quality of this inventory. We'll adjust receipts as necessary going forward.
Do not believe we will need to take incremental markdowns to right size inventory levels.
Over the last year, we repurchased 2.2 million shares, or almost 15%, of outstanding shares at an average price of $56.28.
More recently, for the third quarter, we repurchased $21 million of stock at an average price of $46.01.
And now I have $34 million remaining on our current authorization.
Capital expenditures in Q3 were $11 million and depreciation amortization was $11 million.
We opened three stores and closed 11 during the third quarter to end the quarter with 1,404 total stores.
As a reminder,
Traditionally, the period between the end of Q3 and through the commencement of the holidays reflects our lowest cash levels of the year.
this is the time for our peak working capital requirements.
Looking out to the end of the fiscal year, we expect to end the year with ample cash and a balance sheet that remains a strategic asset.
Finally, as we have discussed,
Rising operating costs have significantly pressured our business this year despite our ongoing cost reduction efforts.
After leveraging expenses last year, we are facing cost pressures in the current inflationary environment across our business, but particularly, as I mentioned,
in areas related to attracting and keeping talent and wages in our stores, distribution centers, and corporate center.
We must also continue to invest in marketing, data analytics, and technology in order to drive sales and advance several strategic growth initiatives.
In the recent past, we have implemented effective multi-year cost reduction programs to reshape our cost structure.
and reinvest for growth.
We are looking to thoughtfully identify further cost savings, efficiency, and automation opportunities.
And we will have more to share when we report our Q4 results.
Now turning to guidance. As I said, we are confident in our longer-term strategy, but in the near term we continue to see the impact inflation is having on consumer discretionary spending.
While third quarter sales came in above our projections, and the end of November was stronger than the beginning of the month,
We think it is prudent to take a more cautious view on Q4 given the current environment.
We now expect full year fiscal year 23 revenue to be 1-2% below last year's levels.
with the midpoint of the range similar to our prior guidance.
Also note that this guidance reflects a roughly $12 million negative foreign currency impact versus our previous guidance.
In addition to a more conservative sales outlook for Q4,
We are experiencing increased pressure of gross margins due to the heightened promotional activity and excess inventory in the market, which is forcing us to become more promotional ourselves.
As a result, we now expect full year gross margins to be down between 100 and 110 basis points versus last year.
Finally, the takedown in our Q4 sales projection will cause us to de-leverage SG&A expenses slightly more than we expected.
resulting in deleverage on a full year basis in the range of 100 to 120 basis points.
versus last year but still showing improvement.
over pre-pandemic levels.
This all leads to an expected operating margin a little bit above 4% for the fiscal year in EPS ranging from $5.50 to $5.50 for the fiscal year.
to $5.90.
Again, somewhere close to the middle of the range is our best expectation of where we will land.
Note that this new guidance is based on a weighted average share count of approximately 12.7 million for the full year versus our prior estimate of 12.9 million.
reflecting our share repurchase activity during the third quarter, but assumes no additional share repurchases for the fiscal year. Furthermore, we expect some improvement in the tax rate at 25% down from the prior guidance of 26%.
While we acknowledge the challenges facing consumers these days and the headwinds those pose in the near term.
We remain excited about the future of our business and the strategy we are driving forward.
Operator, we are now ready to open the call to questions.
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One moment please and we poll for questions. Thank you.
Thank you and our first question is from the line of Steve Marotta with CL King. Please welcome Steve Marotta.
Good morning, Mimi, Tom, and Daryl. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to ask you a little bit about consumer buying patterns in the fourth quarter. You mentioned that this year was a typical back-to-school. Obviously there were potential
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being the armchair contrarian that I am. If the fourth quarter is a normal historical holiday shopping pattern, and obviously November then would be difficult based on the compare, and with evidence that Black Friday and Cyber Week was a little bit better, is it possible that December could be a little bit better than what people are expecting as well?
Steve, thanks for your question.
Just to talk a bit about the consumer patterns that we've seen and give you some of our thoughts on how we thought about the remaining months in the quarter. Listen, back to school was more typical. What we have been seeing is that when there's a reason for the consumer to shop, particularly the Journeys consumer, they turn out and they do shop and they're conserving cash in between.
There is no question that we believe that the consumer is waiting this year to shop much closer to the holidays. Christmas and Hanukkah are in the same timeframe this year. I will remind you as you appropriately called out that we were running on fumes after selling out in November . Make sure to come back together for that training session and do your own research. Be yourself. Thank you for listening. Don't miss an hour. Every
and we had limited receipts in December and January . And so, you know, we will see. I think that we were pleased with the overall performance of Over Black Friday. We know that we've got a great in-stock inventory position that when the consumer comes out to shop that we will be able to provide them with the merchandise they're interested in, are as safe as they can live.
And this year we will be in a position to do that. Christmas is on Sunday this year, and there should be a good week of spelling afterwards. And so we're ready. We've got the inventory, we've got the people, and we will see where we go. That's very helpful. When we think a little bit about next year, and I know you're not providing guidance, understandably so, but can you talk a little bit about how you're thinking about next year and planning for next year? There's obviously lots of chatter within the industry that from a wholesale standpoint, wholesale orders are down pretty significantly year over year for the first half, and then we'll see what happens.
for second half. Are you planning similarly? Do you think it's going to be a tail of two halves? And then I have one follow-up as well. Thanks. Sure. So the way we're thinking about it is right now there is a large amount of inventory in the system. And we are seeing a lot of promotional activity. And therefore, everyone's pulling back on receipts then.
is, growth will be really important for us. We have an opportunity to convert consumers who are aware of journeys but aren't buyers. With digital at almost 20% of our business, we plan to drive digital with its healthy double digit profitability, returning to historical levels of growth will really drive our business. We're in early innings for loyalty. We talked a little bit about the success we're having with SHU and with the J&J.
next year and that will be a key overall. We do a lot of business in back to school and holiday and so that will be a time when some of the cost pressures from additional freight expense and some of the pressures that we've been seeing ought to abate and so it's going to be real focus in the front part of the year and then real opportunity during back to school and Christmas.
Very helpful as well. And Tom alluded to potential realignment from an expense standpoint. Can you talk a little bit about...
I know you probably don't want to get into magnitude at the moment, but the...
the impact, when could it have the impact? Could it be rather immediate? Is this gonna be multi-year? Is it something that could move the needle next year? Maybe just talk a little bit about it again without providing any sort of detail that you're not, you can't do right now. Thanks.
We have a really good track record of reducing costs. I'll hand it to Tom in a minute. Most recently during the pandemic, we cut costs dramatically and quickly when we had to do that. Rent is our big expense. We've had a multiyear effort with a lot of success year after year of reducing our overall rent expense, and selling salaries really have been a journey. We've done a lot to use analytics and data to be able to putGM
Let me reinforce that we do have a good record of reducing cost in the company. We've got good discipline around that. We've been looking at this closely with this tsunami, so to speak, of inflation that's hit us.
especially around talent retention, being able to track and retain talent. We've got increased costs in our DCs on an hourly basis, increased costs in our...
or selling salaries in the store, increased IT cost to be able to execute on the digital initiatives. But we feel good we're going to be able to identify some costs and be able to take some cost out of the business going forward.
Let us get through holiday here and spend some more time with it and we'll report our fourth quarter earnings. We'll be able to give everybody some more detail around the order of magnitude and the cadence.
Very helpful. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Steve. Thanks, Steve.
Our next question is from the line of Mitch Gellitz with Seaport Research.
Yes, thanks for taking my questions. I've got three as well. I'll just do them one by one. So first question is really a follow-up to Steve's first question. It sounds like November was tough, although you're not giving us a number. So I guess my question is, does the Q4, implied kind of Q4 sales outlook, assume sequential improvement over the balance of the quarter as you lap easier comparisons, or are you basically kind of taking...
where you are for November and extrapolating that over the balance of the quarter. So I will let Tom talk a little bit about that. But Mitch, we clearly see again that when there is a reason to shop that that earnings consumer comes out. And so again, we are optimistic. We saw that happen during Back to School. We had tremendous results in August when there was a reason to shop. Whether we had a reason to shop or whether we had a reason to shop or whether we had
Very good solid results when there was a reason to shop over Black Friday weekend. And so we are looking again, we believe that that that Christmas and the holidays will be more back end loaded. What we have done is we've taken the trend in the back part of November with the pickup in the back part of November and we've actually been more conservative. So, speaking of back end, let's – let's go in thoughts on the services you're looking at right now.
than what that trend was running, just given some of the chalkiness. I did highlight with Steve's question that we think there is opportunity for Christmas week, there is an extra day of selling. We do think there is opportunity after into January as well. With a good in stock inventory position, we ought to be able to drive sales.
Yeah, I think, Mitch, I'll just add to that. We did see the back half of November , including Black Friday, we saw some better improvement in our business. But with a good roughly 2 thirds of the business to go in the quarter, we think it's still, we should be more cautious with that much business to go. So we've been more cautious on the trend.
going forward, Mimi points out some of the differences relative to last year relative to pre-pandemic. We feel that there's opportunity there.
potentially to outperform that. But it's early, there's a lot of business to deliver here. We think it's best to take a more cautious view on the balance..
of the quarter at this point in time.
Okay, that's helpful. And then a question on the wage inflation, the pressure there. I'm just wondering if you see any potential light at the end of the tunnel there. I don't know that minimum wage rates are going to go down, but maybe if we end up in a slightly less competitive labor market, could that potentially help that situation? And then I have one last question.
On wages, we have been really, you know, I think that the biggest pressure of late has been just competitive pressure. I think we all came out of the pandemic and were looking to hire people because our businesses, to drive our business. And we have seen some good abatement in that overall pressure to bring talent on board in the last few months. So, thank you very much.
And just given where the economy is right now, I think there should be less competitive pressure going forward. But I'll turn that to Tom to add anything else. I think what I'd add is we see opportunities for further automation, both in the stores and in our distribution centers as well.
So that can obviously, that's going to require some capital, but at the same time we see that's going to be able to improve some of our operating expense lines going forward. I mean it's going to take a while to implement that and I'll give you some more details around that when we do the fourth quarter, but I think there's some light at the end of the tunnel there. Can we learn from here now? Yes we can.
Okay, thanks. And then last question, just on the gross margin, so hopefully my math is correct and Tom correct me if it isn't, but for Q4, I back into a gross margin rate of like 46.5 to 46.9, which is down a couple hundred bits year over year, but it's actually pretty flattish on a three-year basis. And I'm wondering just given how difficult the environment is.
you're looking at the gross margin for the implied gross margin for Q4 is
consistent with what we're thinking about it. We are assuming that the fourth quarter this year will be from a promotional perspective will be similar to the fourth quarter of our fiscal year end 2020.
Got it. Okay. All right. Thanks for that. Good luck for Holo.
All right, thank you.
Thanks everybody for joining. I think there are no more questions in the queue and we look forward to talking with you on our next call.
Thank you.
This will conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.
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