Q4 2022 Nordson Corp Earnings Call

Speaker 1: Good morning, my name is Dennis and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Norton Corporation fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 conference call.

Speaker 2: call may be forward-looking based upon Nordson's current expectations.

Speaker 3: These statements may involve a number of risks, uncertainties, and other factors as discussed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission that could cause actual results to differ.

Speaker 4: Moving to today's agenda on slide three, Naga will discuss fourth quarter and full year highlights. He will then turn the call over to Joe to review sales and earnings performance for the total company and the three business segments.

Speaker 5: Joe also will talk about the year-end balance sheet and cash flow.

Speaker 6: NAGA will conclude with a high-level commentary about our enterprise performance, including an update on the ASCEND strategy as well as our fiscal 2023 first quarter and full year guidance.

Speaker 7: We will then be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 8: With that, I'll turn to slide 4 and hand the call over to Naga.

Speaker 9: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Nordson's fiscal 2022 fourth quarter and full year conference call.

Speaker 10: As I reflect on the past few years and in particular 2022, the Nordson team managed through supply chain constraints, inflation at a 40-year high, and thecause of theardship in many areas of the country.

Speaker 11: increasing currency pressures.

Speaker 12: labor challenges, and COVID-19 shutdowns.

Speaker 13: challenges and COVID-19 shutdowns.

Speaker 14: We have achieved a second consecutive year of record results in fiscal 2022.

Speaker 15: I want to thank our incredible employees who have remained focused on our customers.

Speaker 16: and successfully leveraged our NBS Next growth framework to prioritize their time, efforts, and resources on the best growth opportunities during the year.

Speaker 17: We finished 2022 with a strong fourth quarter performance and carry momentum into 2023 related to the holistic deployment of NBS Next and RSM strategy.

Speaker 18: This is critical as we enter 2023.

Speaker 19: The environment will likely be as full of macro changes and challenges as the last two years.

Speaker 20: I'll speak more to this in a few moments.

Speaker 21: But I will now turn the call over to Joe to provide more detailed perspectives on our financial results for this quarter and fiscal 2022.

Speaker 22: Thank you, Naga, and good morning to everyone.

Speaker 23: On slide number five, you'll see fourth quarter 2022 sales were $684 million.

Speaker 24: increase of 14% compared to the prior year fourth quarter sales of $599 million.

Speaker 25: The increase was primarily related to

Speaker 26: 18% organic growth.

Speaker 27: plus the NDC acquisition.

Speaker 28: offset by unfavorable currency impacts of 8%.

Speaker 29: The 18% organic sales increase was driven by solid 14% volume growth and approximately 4% in pricing as we passed through cost inflation.

Speaker 30: The growth was in all geographies.

Speaker 31: and most product lines with particularly strong demand in polymer processing, electronics, and medical and markets.

Speaker 32: The 8% currency translation headwind resulted from the US dollar strengthening against the Euro, the British Pound, the Japanese Yen, and the Chinese Yuan during the fourth quarter.

Early here in fiscal 2023

Some of this increased pressure has subsided.

moving back closer to the third quarter levels when the year-over-year currency impact on sales was unfavorable 5%.

Gross profits increased 10% over the prior year to $363 million or 53% of sales.

compared to $331 million, or 55% of sales in the prior year for its quarter.

The double-digit growth in profit dollars was driven by the strong sales growth.

while the year-over-year margin decrease of 200 basis points was influenced by several factors.

Most significant was the passing through of cost inflation.

which while relatively neutral from a gross profit dollar perspective

diluted the margins approximately 140 basis points.

Additionally, the significant strengthening of the U.S. dollar

pressures the margins of our businesses that have US dollar denominated manufacturing costs and sell denominated in euros or other foreign currencies.

These two factors contributed to the 200 basis point decline in margin percent.

while delivering a significant 17% constant currency growth in gross profit dollars. Operating profit was $178 million in the quarter, or 26% of sales, a 17% increase from the prior year.

Strong double-digit organic sales growth at attractive incremental margins more than offset the 10% unfavorable year-over-year currency impact on operating profit.

Consolidated Norton Organic Incremental Operating Profit Margin, inclusive of the currency changes, was 43% in the quarter.

EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $202 million, or 30% of sales.

Looking at non-operating expenses, other net expenses decrease 12 million dollars year over year.

relatively evenly split between lower non-operating pension costs

and increased foreign currency exchange gains.

The lower non-operating pension costs

are sustainable heading into 2023.

while the currency exchange gains resulted from the significant currency fluctuations in the quarter and are not likely to repeat.

Tax expense was $36 million for an effective tax rate of 20% in the quarter, slightly below the full year and forecasted rate of 21%.

Net income in the quarter totaled $141 million, or $2.44 per share, representing a 28% increase from the prior year earnings.

This improvement is reflective of the 14% year-over-year increase in sales and more importantly

consistent application of the NBS Next growth framework.

which leads to steady profitable growth.

with attractive incremental margins.

Turning to slide 6, I will now share a few comments on our full year results.

Fails for fiscal year 2022 were a record.

$2.6 billion, an increase of 10% compared to the prior year's record sales results.

This change in sales included an organic increase of 11%.

A 3% increase primarily from the NDC acquisition.

This growth was partially offset by unfavorable currency impacts of 4%.

Also a company record, adjusted operating profit was $707 million, or 27% of sales, which reflects a 15% increase over the prior year, or on a constant currency basis, growth of 21%.

Organic incremental operating profit margins on the year were 55%, which is above the targeted range of 40 to 45.

Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $9.43, a 22% increase from the prior year.

and EBITDA for the full year increased to $807 million, or 31 percent of sales.

Now, let's turn to slides 7 through 9 to review the fourth quarter 2022 segment performance.

Industrial Precision Solutions sales of $356 million increased 13% compared to the prior year fourth quarter.

Organic growth in the quarter was 16% and the NBC acquisition added 7%.

This growth was offset by an unfavorable currency impact of 10%.

Robust demand in the polymer processing product line plus steady growth in industrial coating products and packaging product line in the food and beverage industry

as well as the industrial and markets.

drove this quarter's results.

All major geographies contributed to the quarter's growth.

Operating profit for the quarter was $110 million, or 31% of sales.

which is an increase of 8% compared to the prior year operating profit of $103 million.

This growth was driven primarily by leveraging organic sales growth at incremental margins of 43%, plus the benefit of the NDC acquisition.

Medical and fluid solution sales.

of $181 million.

increased 11% compared to the prior year's fourth quarter.

This change included an increase in organic sales volume of 15%.

and a 4% decrease related to unfavorable currency impacts.

Growth was across all product lines with robust growth in the BioPharma fluid component product line.

All geographies contributed to this quarter's growth with particular strength in the Americas.

Fourth quarter operating profit was $52 million, or 29% of sales, which is an increase of 2% compared to the prior year operating profit of $51 million.

This growth was driven by sales volume leverage offset by manufacturing inefficiencies following the third quarter of factory consolidation within the fluid dispense division.

These challenges should be temporary in nature.

as the consolidated factory ramps to targeted production levels and efficiency.

Turning to slide 9, you'll see advanced technology solution sales of $147 million increased 21% compared to the prior year's fourth quarter.

This change included an increase in organic sales of 28%.

offset by 7% decrease related unfavorable currency impacts.

This segment had double digit growth in both the test and inspection and electronics dispense product line, serving predominantly the semiconductor and electronics and markets.

All geographies contributed to this quarter's growth.

Fourth quarter operating profit increased $21 million or 131% from the prior year to $38 million or 26% of sales in the quarter.

The growth was driven by sales volume leverage.

realization of benefits from cost control measures taken in the prior year.

Deployment of our NBS Next growth framework continues to be a key element in the success of this segment delivering profitable growth.

Finally, turning to the balance sheet and cash flow on slide 10.

Through our disciplined approach to capital deployment, we ended the corridor with a strong balance sheet.

and abundant borrowing capacity.

Cash totaled $163 million and net debt was $574 million, resulting in a 0.7 times leverage based on a trailing 12 months EBITDA.

Free cash flow in the quarter was $161 million.

which brings the full year 2022 free cash flow total to $462 million.

or a conversion rate on net income of 90%.

This conversion rate was below the normal target of 100% because of strategic investments being made in inventory throughout the year to address supply chain constraints and support the backlog.

Dividend payments were $37 million in the quarter, reflective of the 27% increase in the annual dividend that our board approved during the quarter.

Also, with the ongoing market volatility, we again capitalize on the opportunistic repurchase of shares within the quarter, bringing the year-to-date total spent on share repurchases to over $260 million at an average repurchase price.

of $219 per share.

For modeling purposes, in Fiscal 2023,

Assume an estimated effective tax rate of 20 to 22 percent.

and the capital expenditures of approximately $50 to $55 million.

with minimal cash.

pension contributions given the pension annuitization that took place earlier this year.

In summary, 4th Quarter 2022 was a very strong finish to a record fiscal 2022 performance.

All three segments contributed both sales growth and operating profit growth in the quarter.

Consolidated revenue growth of 14% despite an 8% currency headwind.

and delivering 43% incremental margin on the organic growth.

Evidences are NBS Next Gross Framework delivering results.

This makes for the second consecutive year of delivering record annual sales and earnings.

I'll now turn the call back to Naga.

Thank you, Joe. Again, thank you to the Nordson team for another strong year.

I want to re-emphasize Joe's comment.

We achieved record results with all segments contributing to both sales growth and operating profit growth for the quarter and year.

That's quite an accomplishment.

beyond the financial results.

I'm very pleased with our steady deployment of the NBS Next growth framework.

NBS Next has evolved from an aspiration to a working model within the business.

This data-driven segmentation framework drives choices, focus, and simplification.

We now have two divisions that have achieved market-leading business performance.

They use the framework as a competitive advantage to deliver on time quality products to their top customers.

winning the business, and growing market share.

Leaders from these divisions are now sharing their lessons learned internally by hosting facility tours and teaching at our Nordson Accelerated Training programs.

Earlier this month, I visited several sites in Europe and I'm excited by the progress I observed.

the questions that were asked as well as the progress that was shared during the manufacturing facility tours.

clearly demonstrates the engagement and adoption of the framework as the way we do business.

NBS Next is becoming a competitive advantage for Nordson moving into 2023 and beyond.

This new capability, combined with the core elements of the notes and business model, has positioned us to deliver results through more challenging economic demand environments.

First among the core elements of Nordson's business model is the fundamental focus on our customers.

our intimate customer relationships.

allow us to add value by solving critical customer problems.

whether that is enabling their new product ideas or helping them operate more efficiently.

This customer partnership has been further strengthened over the past two years as we worked through numerous challenges to consistently deliver quality product.

Second, is the diversity for business from both a geographic and end-market perspective.

For example,

In fiscal 2022, we overcame the shutdown of our Shanghai, China IPS facilities as a result of our strength in other regions.

We also serve a wide variety of end markets, including consumer non-durables, medical, electronics, industrial, and more.

Within these end markets, we are diversified.

For example, a quarter of our medical platform

is the fluid component solutions used in biopharmaceutical applications.

while the remaining is our interventional solution that includes catheters, cannulas, and medical balloons.

In addition, our electronics applications.

are split between dispense applications and more secular testing inspection processes.

This diversification makes us largely

recession resilient.

or able to withstand the ebbs and flows of individual end markets, applications, or geographies which may be more cyclical or volatile in any given period.

Finally, the third core element of our business model is the recurring revenue.

Over 50% of our sales makes.

is aftermarket parts and consumables, which has been proven to sustain our business even in down periods.

These core elements position our base business to perform well during periods of

economic uncertainty.

In addition, the execution of a disciplined M&A strategy.

continues to strengthen our precision technology platforms.

The MDC Measurement and Control Division, which we acquired in November 2021, is integrating well and contributed nicely to the fiscal 2022 performance.

Recently, we closed the cyberoptics acquisition, which expands our applications in the optical test and inspection end market.

We are excited about the opportunities we see in that space.

Turning now to the outlook on slide 12.

We enter fiscal 2023 with approximately $1 billion in backlog, inclusive of the acquired cyberoptics backlog.

The book to build in the fourth quarter of 2022 was slightly unfavorable.

And the year-over-year currency headwinds are significant as evidenced in our fiscal fourth quarter results.

Based on the combination of order entry, backlog,

customer delivery timing request,

And current.

foreign currency exchange rates

We anticipate delivering

sales growth in the range of 1% to 7% about the record fiscal 2022.

This includes an estimated 2% currency headwind.

Full year earnings are forecasted in the range of $8.75 to $10.10 per share.

This is full year guidance.

assumes an unfavorable currency impact of approximately 3% on the earnings.

the increased interest rate environment, and contemplate.

some demand uncertainty related to the back half of 2023.

As you will see on slide 13, the first quarter 2023 sales are forecasted in the range of

$605 million to $630 million, and adjusted earnings in the range of $1.85 to $2 per diluted share.

Included in the forecasted guidance are the unfavorable currency impacts of approximately 4% on sales and 7% on earnings.

Again, I want to thank our employees.

customers and shareholders for your continued support.

We will now open the phone lines for questions.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.

And your first question is from the line of Matt Somerville with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Thanks. A couple questions. First, Naga and Joe, can you maybe talk about the order cadence you saw over the course of fiscal Q4 and what you've seen thus far in the fiscal 23? Maybe talk about some of the pluses and minuses you're seeing.

across the business and how that informs your view on what you're calling a bit of an uncertain second half of the fiscal year and have a follow-up.

Thank you, Matt. You know, a couple of things. So let's go by our, you know, major end markets. If you think about ATS, the backlog is pretty strong going into Q1 and first half.

For the full year, we expect a single digit.

organic growth for the year. Both CNI, both our testing inspection and our dispense business are expected to grow in the year.

If you look at our industrial business of IPS,

End markets remain solid.

A couple of hours.

System businesses are expected to deliver and are expected to grow double digits.

while our consumer non-durables are expected to sustain their current record.

levels.

If you think about MFS or forecast is, again, this segment is also expected to grow in single touches.

What you see is our interventional components, the medical fluid components. If you think about the interventional side, which is our balloons and catheters.

This business is returning back to pre-COVID levels of high single-digit growth.

our fluid components, which is approximately 20% of this business.

I had a great two years of double-digit growth.

And what we understand and we watch this end market with some caution as some of our customers have built up some excess inventory. But important to remember this is 20% of our MFS.

So hopefully that gives you some color and more.

This is what is embedded in our guidance for the quarter of the year.

Yeah, maybe Matt I would just add. Yeah, appreciate.

Sure. Yeah, just to add, as we said, as it trended throughout the year, we saw strong performance in 21, 22, most of the quarters. We were running with a favorable book to bill. And in Q4, some of that started to moderate, the book to bill was slightly unfavorable.

Understood. Maybe if you can just comment a little bit more on M&A and even cyberoptics, what are you incorporating into the guide as it relates to EPS accretion from cyberoptics saying? Okay.

What are you seeing and looking forward in terms of actionability within your current M&A pipeline? Thank you.

Maybe Nag, I'll handle the first part of that and you can take a second. But as it relates to cyber optics, you know, we are very pleased. Everything is on track and just a reminder, it's about a $100 million business.

We're integrating it into our test and inspection division. We paid about eighteen and a half times EBITDA and as we execute synergies over the next year or so, we're going to take that to roughly fourteen and a half times EBITDA. So everything that we've got in cyberoptics is what we expected and we're very pleased with it.

As it relates specifically to our guidance, it will be, when you look at our full year guidance, the assumption is that that is slightly accretive for the full year.

So, Joe, let me take the question around our…

acquisition pipelines. You know, maybe just as a reminder, Matt, you know, we have clear strategic and financial criteria when we look at.

acquisition ideas and when we consummate deals. And just as a reminder, the strategic criteria is really are we're looking for differentiated position technologies.

We're looking for businesses that serve markets with

Tight growth rates.

Certainly looking for businesses that have a customer-centric business model.

On the financial side, we certainly look for businesses that have attractive growth rate and with not some light gross margins.

EBITDA margins around 20% with a clear path with expansion opportunities and an RYC that is ahead of our cost of capital in five to seven years. That's really sort of what informs what.

deals we pursue and what we consummate finally.

Our focus still remains on scaling our medical and test and inspection platforms.

We certainly will look at adjacent precision technologies if they meet our strategic and financial criteria.

having provided you that background.

Our pipeline is pretty healthy. We are pursuing a number of different opportunities.

certainly will act on them thoughtfully based on our strategic and financial criteria. That's really important to remember.

You know, we are confident in our ability to deliver on $500 million of acquisitions, which is an important part of us reaching the $3 billion target we set for ourselves in 2021.

Again, another reminder, we have acquired about $210 million worth of acquisitions towards that $500 million already. We did NBC, Cyberoptics, and Flortech, and all of that sort of gives us about $210 million.

You know, one other thing I would comment.

through what we have done thus far, we have now been open to

many types of deals for example cyber optics was a public company deal

MDC was a car wash from a public company in Europe . So we feel good about our pipeline. We will remain strategically and financially diligent and...

disciplined.

Thank you.

Your next question is from the line of Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead.

Your next question is from the line of Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning everyone.

morning morning Mike

So maybe help understand some of the comments you had about the seasonality through the year. Obviously the first answer to Matt's question was very helpful as far as you how you're thinking about you know the various moving pieces and in order trends but

You highlighted that the guidance assumes some...

uncertainty around what the second half looked like. So maybe you could talk a little bit about what the seasonal assumptions look like, how the front half compares to the front half. So, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to go ahead and talk about the seasonals. So, I'm going to go ahead and talk about the seasonals.

in the back half compared to what normal seasonality look like and what's behind the uncertainty that you've got embedded in the back half. Not saying it's not prudent, I just want to make sure I understand where you guys are coming from.

Sure, maybe again, I'll take the front half of that. Like if you think about our full year guidance.

Basically, the midpoint is 4% sales growth and flat earnings.

on the full year. And the simple way to think about this is acquisitions are roughly 4%. And then so the organic growth is probably 2 to 3%. And this is offset by our assumption around unfavorable currency impacts.

And so the organic growth is coming in at incremental margins of 40 to 45 percent.

The cyber-optics acquisition, as I mentioned before, is slightly accretive.

But what's embedded in the earnings guidance is there's a currency headwind of about 3%.

So when you think about 1% in sales of currency headwind, it translates to roughly 1.3 to 1.5 headwind on the earnings line.

Interest expense is driving an increase given the change in interest rates.

Plus, you know, this year we did benefit from some foreign currency hedge gains, and so those are not forecasted repeat. So that's about a 20 cent headwind or 2 percent headwind to earnings.

So that's the full year, kind of what we're thinking about. To your question on timing, you know, we feel pretty good about our visibility into the first half of the year. We're entering with a billion dollar backlog.

So we see organic growth in the first half of the year of about 4 to 5 percent. This is following two consecutive years of double digit organic growth. Well, when we look at the second half, our guidance assumes that the organic growth is actually relatively flat at the midpoint. And so, and that's just given our visibility.

We have good visibility in the first half, I would tell you, given some of our backlog in systems orders and limited visibility to the second half.

When you think about the first half, it's actually not evenly split between Q1 and Q2. You have Chinese New Year last year fell in Q2, this year falls into Q1. And plus, as you know, our systems business has grown nicely. And so with that backlog, when we look at the scheduled customer system delivery dates.

Q2 will be much stronger than Q3. So that's kind of how we're thinking about it. And when you think about FX, the FX headwind is going to be heavier in Q1 and Q2 at about 4-5% unfavorable on sales.

where that will moderate to be relatively neutral in the back half provided we stay at

forecasted exchange rates.

rates. Hopefully that helps.

No, that was great. To paraphrase quickly, it's the first quarter you get some headwinds.

Second quarter, you feel really good about the delivery schedule you see based on the backlog.

But, you know, maybe some expectations for orders to say somewhat soft, just not sure what the environment looks like. And so the back half then you've got maybe below normal seasonality, 2Q to 3Q, and we'll just see how it plays out as we get closer to that date. And in Nevada... We'll see how it plays out as we get closer to that date.

Fair. That's a very quick interpretation.

As a fair interpretation, yeah, the FX is a heavier impact in the first half than the second half just given the way exchange rates have moved.

That's a fair interpretation. Thanks for that. And then the second related piece is...

In the medical piece you mentioned the inefficiencies. Could you maybe just help?

bucket out what kind of an impact that was in the quarter and then when you think the timing of that to get back towards what you think the more normal run rate from our design that second. Yeah, Mike, the reference there is to our MFS segment, which saw

you know, in the quarter had nice 15 percent growth and the operating profit grew, but it was negatively impacted, I would tell you, by approximately probably $5 million due to some manufacturing inefficiencies. And this, again, was tied to the consolidation of the factory.

And so as we look into 2023, that factory, as it ramps up to targeted efficiency levels and production levels, that will start to mitigate as we move throughout, I would tell you, the first half of 2023.

Great. Really appreciate the cover. That was helpful. Thanks everyone.

Really appreciate the cover. That was helpful. Thanks, everyone. Thank you, Mike.

Your next question is from the line of Allison Poloniec with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. I want to go, and then Joe, back to your comments around the moderating sort of book to Bill here. I know lead times have been extended on the order side. Are we seeing some normalization that's driving some of that as well, or are you seeing specific sort of volatility in some of the other things that you're seeing?

and certain end markets or geographies. Just any thoughts there? Yeah. You know, if you think about our Q4 contribution and the full year contribution, it's very broad based.

know, all all our business lines across all the three segments and the same can be set for our geography. So, historic two years.

Comp division organic Then

We have good backlog and we talked about by those different end markets.

In general, we feel very strongly about first half, we have good visibility. I think second half.

The best way I would tell you is our assumptions are it is a flat kind of organic growth is really what we are assuming.

Remember, this is flat on historic.

revenues in the second half of 2022.

That's helpful. And then I know you talked about some timing of deliveries, Q1 versus Q2, but was there any timing deliveries maybe that shifted into Q4 that could have been Q1? I know organic was maybe quite a bit stronger than we had anticipated. Just any thoughts there? Thanks. Yeah.

Allison, yes, I would tell you Q4, particularly on the system side, came in stronger than anticipated. And so there was a portion of that which you contribute to timing, perhaps getting pulled into Q4 as opposed to Q1. So that does contribute a little bit to our guidance in Q1. We'll probably be taking those questions some 20 minutes more.

Thank you. Your next question is from the line of Jeff Hammond with Key Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning.

So, just on advanced tech, it sounds like great finish to the year, kind of in-line-ish growth versus the rest.

I'm just wondering you know if you can parse out kind of momentum and testing inspection versus electronics any

you know softness around they you know emerging softness around You know you're the consumer related portions of your business or any of this kind of China regulation noise You know either on the core on cyber optics

Yeah, I think the way to think about this, our test and inspection business continues to have strong momentum. You know, coming into the year and, you know, as we can see it, we feel good about our test inspection business. We do see some moderation or, you know, book to bill that is unfavorable in our dispense side of the business.

have single digit growth in the year. So feel good about that. First step, really good visibility. Second step is a flattish kind of assumption. In terms of China regulation, Jeff is one of the questions you asked. We don't see any significant impact that we know of today.

So we don't really see that. I know you had another piece there, Jeff, that I may have missed.

if I didn't answer all of yours. No, no, I think that covers it. And then just on the guide, I mean.

Maybe it's around macro uncertainty, but the range is pretty wide. Maybe outside of the sales range, what are some of the other moving pieces that inform maybe the wider range? And then if you could just give us an interest expense number so we can kind of fine tune.

Do you know how to think about the increase there? What are the effects? Yeah, Jeff, maybe I'll take the interest expense first. I would think about that as going from roughly $20 million to $40 million based on the interest rate movements and our average borrowing balances.

22 to 23. As it relates to our guide.

In terms of the sales range, again, I just would go back and share that we have pretty good visibility into Q1.

and Q2 and so the first half the organic growth so first half is four to five percent.

You can think about acquisitions as a 4% favorable and then FX is 4 to 5% unfavorable in the first half. We can get more control of the aligners at theaph switch PR

When we go to the back half, it's really relatively flat organic sales, 4% acquisition, and then FX starts to moderate and is maybe flat to negative 1%. And then as it relates to the range.

I would tell you that, you know, appreciate roughly 50% systems and 50% parts and consumables. And we have pretty good visibility on the system side. The parts and consumables, again, is a shorter book and ship timeframe. And so we're just looking at our order entry.

and monitoring that and putting the range, particularly on the back half.

And so as you see our Q1 guidance is relatively tight and to your point on the earnings, the interest expense will be a headwind to earnings in Q1 particularly.

Okay, thanks so much.

Your next question is on the line of Connor Lenaugh with Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks. Sort of similar line of questioning here. Basically, can you help us think through how much price you're carrying into next year? And then, you know, how much you're sort of, you know, how much visibility you have on that and how much you're thinking about upside downside on that.

and sort of similar question on volume. Yeah, so if you think about it, our price.

We exited Q4 with roughly, you know, 4% realization in price. And so as you can appreciate that, that impact grew throughout 2022 as we realized inflation, and then we took pricing actions to pass that inflation through.

As a reminder, our stated strategy was to pass through the inflation, not the inflation plus 55% gross margins.

And we were effective on that. It had a dilutive impact on the percentage, but we were effective. And so to your point, we're carrying into Q1. So part of the first half growth, organic growth of four to 5%, you can probably think about that as roughly split to half would be pricing.

given the timing of price realization last year, and half of that would be volume.

And then as you can appreciate as you get then to the back half of next year, the pricing impact on a year-over-year basis will be less simply because we had realized more throughout the year as we experienced the inflation.

All that said, we'll clearly remain a dynamic environment and responsive as you know.

the cost pressures and inflation change throughout the year, we will be responsive. And again, we're targeting and

We've been successful in maintaining incremental operating profit margins of 40 to 45% on the organic growth. We delivered that in Q3 at 43. We delivered that for the full year at 55%, which is actually ahead of our target. So that's how we think about it. And to your point, we'll continue to manage that. One thing to add,

cost increases.

But you've got to remember, we create value and we get paid for it. The second thing I would tell you from our customer's point of view are...

Our cost structure in their total cost act is a fairly small number. So we are a low cost component creating incredible value and critical value. That allows us to continue to be effective along price increases.

We certainly want to protect our customer relationships and we have been prudent. And that's what you're going to see us do in this environment that we are experiencing.

Yep, understood. Thank you for the context there. Just thinking through the guidance range, maybe just a little bit of a clarifying point. Are you – when you think about the high end versus the low end, are there certain end markets that you are risking higher or lower?

You made the comment earlier about the systems versus components, but can you just sort of clarify if there's specific markets that you're particularly watching in driving that wide range, or is it just the broad economic uncertainty?

I think the way to think about our range is that first half, as Joe indicated and reiterated, we're very comfortable because of the visibility we have and because of the system orders we have. There is a split between the first quarter and the second quarter given Chinese New Year timing as well as system shipment. The second half, Connor.

You know, we're assuming a flattish growth on some very historic record revenue levels that we're running in 2022. We expect all of our segments to grow in the year, albeit single digit.

a flattish growth on some very historic record revenue levels that we're running in 2022. We expect all of our segments to grow in the year, albeit single digit.

So, you know, the two end markets we are watching that we've talked about is our biopharma fluid components, which is sort of 20% of our MFS segment. It's a small part of our MFS segment. That is where we have.

customer inventory is fairly high from what we understand. So we'll watch that one. And the other one that I indicated was our dispense business in the APS segment, which has had some incredible growth here in the past two years.

What you see coming into the quarter, there was some unfavorable book to build trends there, so we're watching that. So those would be the two we would be watching. Our industrial businesses seem to be remaining pretty solid. Our system industrial businesses are actually growing very nicely.

our medical business is back to pre-COVID levels, which is our medical intervention business, I should say. So hopefully that gives you some more recovery.

It does. Thank you very much.

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Our next question is from the line of Christopher Glenn with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. Good morning. I have a question. It was interesting to hear the callout on the polymer product lines. I don't recall if that got a callout in recent quarters, but I'm curious if you're seeing phantom Captain investigating it — can you.. breaking up?

some emerging vibrancy in those markets or kind of a recap trend.

I think that is a business, if you remember, a few years ago, we had a business that was

exit of our screw and barrel business, but we kept some parts of the business that we really liked, which had some long-term trends. And so, and certainly we had to address a number of cost structure issues in that business over the period of time.

exit of our screw and barrel business, but we kept some parts of the business that we really liked, which had some long-term trends. And so, and certainly we had to address a number of cost structure issues in that business over the period of time. We had a great leadership team.

that's taken us through that and has positioned the business to go after the best growth opportunities there. And so, all that work has resulted in some pretty nice growth rates. Again, this is a business that we like that are parts of business. To me this is very resource te hypnotizing® way of thinking in the world. My friends, my friends, other people, other businesses, etc.

You know, there are parts we did not like, but I think we're in a place where this is a good business. It is growing nicely for us, but I wouldn't say this is sort of our biggest strategic.

but I think we're in a place where this is a good business, it is growing nicely for us. But I wouldn't say this is sort of our biggest strategic part of the company.

medical growth and just inspection growth. But it is a solid part of our portfolio.

We really appreciate what the team has done in this part of the business to really reposition the business and how it has gone.

Is there any different appetite or healthier trends in the end market?

I would say a couple of things. There is certainly this whole trend around recycling is a trend that is certainly benefiting this business. What we also see is in some parts of the business, there are some specialty film that is used in EV batteries.

and the team is doing. And then there is some bio plastic materials also that the team is working on. So again, singles and doubles is the way you want to think about applications. I think the bigger takeaway should be the company is, you know.

with some incredible leadership from our teams, reposition the bill.

and incredible leadership from our teams, repositioned in a better place and growing.

Thank you. And on ATS or an MFS rather wanted to look at the nonmedical side. I think it's basically EFD.

something over a couple hundred million. Just want to remind what the customers and applications are there.

the cyclicality and how that's positioned.

Yes, that business is actually one of our most diversified applications. Right. You know, frankly, you go.

is, you know, it's actually one of our most diversified applications, right? You know, but frankly you'd go.

flu-disposing applications to electronic sequencing applications to

to life sciences, that business wins with applications. So it's a pretty diversified, it could try.

GDP kind of growth is what it typically does, maybe a little bit more if the electronic cycle is going strong for them. It's a good business but a growing part of it is also life sciences.

Thank you. And this does conclude the Q&A session of today's call. I will now turn the call back over to Naga for any closing comments.

Thank you for your time and attention on today's call. Our core capabilities, combined with the NBS Next growth framework, positions us well for a dynamic environment.

This was evidenced in 2022, and we expected the position as well for fiscal 2023 as well.

We remain focused on achieving our long-term objective of delivering top-tier revenue growth with leading margins and returns.

We wish you a happy holiday season.

This concludes the Nordson Corporation fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect. Flexible Music