Q4 2022 Freeport-McMoRan Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Freeport-McMoRan fourth quarter conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If you wish to ask a question during the Q&A session, press star 1 on your touch-tone phone.
Speaker 2: If you require assistance during the conference, please press star zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Kathleen Quirk, President. Please go ahead, ma'am. Thank you and good morning. Welcome to the Freeport-McMoRan conference call. And happy 2023 to everyone. Earlier this morning, we reported fourth quarter 2022 operating in...
Speaker 3: the Financial Press has been invited to listen to today's call and a replay of the webcast will be available on our website later today.
Speaker 4: Before we begin our comments, we'd like to remind everyone that today's press release and certain of our comments on the call include forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially. I'd like to refer everyone to the cautionary language included in our press release and presentation materials.
Speaker 5: to the risk factors described in our FCC filings.
Speaker 6: I'm on the call today with me Richard Atkinson, our Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, Marie Robertson, our CFO , Mark Johnson, our Chief Operating Officer of Indonesia, Josh Olmsted, who is our Chief Operating Officer for the AmeriCorps.
Speaker 7: is actively involved in all of our construction projects.
Speaker 8: as well as Steve Higgins, our Chief Administrative Officer. We have a full complement of management team here today. We'll start, Richard will make some opening remarks and then he'll turn it back to me and we'll cover the slide materials and then we'll open up the call for your questions.
Speaker 9: I'm trying to see you, Richard. Yes, thanks Kathleen. Thank you all for joining us today. As Kathleen said, after my overview remarks, which will be brief, she will review our results for the quarter.
Speaker 10: It was a strong fourth quarter. The numbers speak for themselves. It reflects the performance of our global team. Much appreciate everybody's hard work.
Speaker 11: I read one of you said this morning in a report, mining is a tough business and it certainly is, nobody knows that.
Speaker 12: I think better than me.
Speaker 13: But what we've done
Speaker 14: and is reflected in our results for 2022, and particularly the fourth quarter, is remarkable. Most of you who know our business, and maybe all of you do,
Speaker 15: recognize the need to look at Freeport into two major segments.
Speaker 16: Our operations in Indonesia by PT Freeport Indonesia is characterized by very large volumes, very low cost because of the grades and the gold content.
Speaker 17: largest gold mine in the world as a byproduct. You'll see in the fourth quarter, it operated as the world's second largest copper mine with a net unit cost of six cents a pound.
Speaker 18: Our business in America is quite different. We have among the largest mines in the world, the mines have low grade.
Speaker 19: There's much more material to be processed.
Speaker 20: to be mined and processed, to recover the copper. And it's an operation that gets challenged by low copper prices and factors like inflation.
Speaker 21: But when you look at the results and what our team has done this year, it's been very positive. It's also characterized by having some large future brownfield expansion opportunities, which is particularly meaningful given the situation of copper in the world.
Speaker 22: Indonesia, it was just rock solid performance.
Speaker 23: We've been operating underground there for 40 plus years now.
Speaker 24: We've been investing in the current underground operations that we have been ramping up over the past three years.
Speaker 25: to become the largest underground mining operations in the world for the past 25 years. It just reflects the long-term nature of our business.
Speaker 26: The last three years have really been notable.
Speaker 27: We completed mining the Grasberg open pit, which had been the bulk of our operations.
Speaker 28: since the discovery of the ore body in the late 1980s. We completed mining that pit at the end of 2019.
Speaker 29: Then early in 2020, we face COVID.
Speaker 30: And for years,
Speaker 31: This transition was viewed as a risk.
Speaker 32: overlying Freeport's business. And it's just a major accomplishment that we've reached our targeted mining and in metal production targets.
That is what's arguably the most complicated mind in the world. And it's all results of the hard work and accomplishments of our team there. Very proud of them. spaceships.
The
America's business has done very well in meeting the challenges that we've had there, dealing with inflation.
Thank you.
dealing with a period of low copper prices.
We have issues that are challenged in terms of getting workers for operations in Americas
Our operation in Peru was...
facing a severe challenge with COVID that they manage very well. The political situation in Peru right now is very complicated. There are protests throughout the country.
The country, our team is doing very well. We're continuing to manage housing, feeding our people, and continuing our operations. We're slowing down a bit to make sure we have supplies for the long run. But we have.
support by our workforce and fundamental support for our business by the local community there because we've established such a
such a great relationship with them.
with them.
So we are...
As we look out now,
Trying to predict short-term copper prices is very difficult.
We actually don't even try to do it ourselves.
We deal with short-term negative movements when they occur by having a strong balance sheet and a conservative financial policy.
It's actually good to see right now that market sentiment going into 2024 is much improved over the end of going into the fourth quarter. But we are on the outlook for the well-known risk that the world faces today and we're prepared to deal with it. In kilomete of worry about the gap order that is fading forward and reopened, let's take
We are a long-term business.
And everything we do is focused not on the short run, other than to protect ourselves by having a strong balance sheet.
managing our business in the right way, but our success is going to be measured over the long run. And, copper's long run outlook is increasingly positive based on fundamentals of demand and supply.
We committed to copper 20 years ago.
when we were a single asset company.
The rationale for acquiring Phelps Dodge.
more than 15 years ago is being reinforced today by the combination of this really special mind we have in Indonesia.
and the global operations and growing operations that we have in the Americas.
It was a right decision 20 years ago to focus on copper.
and it's the right decision now.
Kathleen?
Thanks Richard. We'll start on slide 3 which summarizes our performance for the full year 2022. Just a couple of notes on the fourth quarter from our press release. We finished the year with a strong fourth quarter. Copper and gold sales exceeded our October guidance.
and our consolidated unit net cash cost of $1.53 per pound in the quarter were better than our estimates going into the quarter.
With average copper realizations in the fourth quarter of $3.77 per pound, we generated strong margins with fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA at approximately $2.25 billion.
Looking at the year, we are proud of the performance of our team, stay focused on effective execution, and on driving results in a volatile macroeconomic environment.
After successfully growing our volumes in 2021 by 19% for copper and 59% for gold compared with 2020, we achieved another year of growth in 2022 with 11% higher copper sales volumes and a 34% increase in gold volumes.
Our team in Indonesia has successfully and materially grown production levels and is sustaining large-scale, low-cost production at the world's largest underground mining complex.
In the Americas, our teams in Peru and Chile...
proved resilient in restoring production during 2022 that had been impacted by the pandemic. And our teams in the U.S. maintained production at 2021 levels despite ongoing labor shortages, and we also made significant advances on new technologies to enhance value.
For the year we generated $9.5 billion in adjusted EBITDA, and that was a year of dramatic swings in commodity prices and cost drivers.
Our operating cash flows for the year, which were net of a billion and a half dollars in working capital requirements,
was in excess of our capital investments in our operations and we nearly tripled our cash returns to shareholders pursuant to our performance-based payout policy.
We ended the year with net debt, excluding the debt associated with our smelter of $1.3 billion, and that's substantially below the level of mid-2021 when we initiated our performance-based payout policy.
On slide four you'll see we've listed notable accomplishments during the year. In addition to driving value in our operating and financial areas of achievement, we're very proud of our work with third parties to validate all of our operations under the copper mark standards.
the measurable progress we're making on our climate initiatives, and the expanded disclosures we've developed to enhance transparency and accountability.
We'll talk about markets next and we've got a slide on page five. We experienced significant volatility as many of you have seen during 2022 with copper prices trading from a high of $4.87 per pound earlier in the year.
falling to $3.18 per pound mid-year, and partially recovering to $3.80 per pound by year-end.
Prices continued to move higher in early 2023 to a level currently approximating $4.25 per pound as several of the macroeconomic clouds began to lift.
We discussed on prior calls that the dramatic moves in 2022 have been largely been based on sentiment rather than fundamentals.
The facts are that the physical markets for copper have remained tight even during a period of weaker economic data coming out of China, and that's evidenced by the low levels of available copper inventories throughout the year.
At the same time, copper's importance in the economy continues to grow as a result of the intensity of use in clean energy applications and the global acceleration of electrification.
We believe we're still in the early innings of a broad-based secular driver of long-term demand.
The ability of the industry to meet this multi-year period of growing demand continues to be challenged, leading to large market deficits in the future.
You read about these challenges every day and it's getting harder, not easier.
Higher long-term prices are needed to incentivize new supplies.
We've lived through the ups and downs in the copper market. We've effectively managed our operations and balance sheets during periods of volatility. And we're prepared for this.
But we believe the long-term fundamentals point to a real step change in how copper is valued in the economy.
Turning to our reserve position on slide six.
we benefit from a geographically diverse, high quality portfolio of copper mines with significant exposure to gold and molybdenum.
Our strategy, as Richard discussed, is centered around being foremost in copper.
And we benefit from a portfolio of assets with characteristics that are very difficult to replicate.
We show our reserve position at the end of 2022 with over 100 billion pounds of approved and probable reserves. We have an average reserve life of over 25 years.
We added twice the amount of reserves we produced in 2022, principally at our U.S. mines in the Morenci and Safford Lone Star districts, where we're focused on future growth.
In addition to proved improbable reserves, we have enormous mineral resources of 235 billion pounds of copper.
Over half of this is located in the US where we have established operations.
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It's an extraordinarily valuable resource position in a world that's going to need more copper in the future.
We wanted to focus a little bit on molybdenum on this call and on slide 7 we've got some information about our molybdenum business. We're a leader in that industry. We're the world's largest producer by a significant margin.
And with the price move over the last couple of months of over 50% in molybdenum, we thought you'd be interested in learning more about our business. We produced 85 million pounds of molybdenum in 2022 and that's...
comprised about 60 percent from copper mines as a byproduct and the balance from two primary molybdenum mines that we operate in Colorado.
And these are the only primary malignant reminds that are currently operated in the United States.
We also operate downstream processing facilities to produce products.
that are used in a broad range of metallurgical specialty steel and chemical applications.
The price moved from $18 per pound at the start of the fourth quarter to over $30 per pound currently has been driven by some of the same supply issues that have impacted copper.
In addition, demand drivers continue to be supported from the oil and gas, aerospace, and power generation sectors.
So we note on this slide the impact of a $5 change in molybdenum prices. We're looking at this material at $400 million in annual leave.
and $375 million in cash flow. And the recent move of over $10 per pound, if sustained at a higher price, adds additional leverage to our results.
Looking at our operating stats for 2022 on slide 8, you'll see our sales for the year were about 35% from the U.S.
28% from South America and 37% from Indonesia.
In the US, our sales were similar to 2021 levels, and we grew sales volumes by 10% in South America and by 20% in Indonesia.
In the U.S., we're continuing our focus on productivity, given the current limitations on adding to our workforce. We're taking advantage of technology advancements and opportunities to expand production from leaching at low incremental cost.
And we're planning our next phase of growth, as we'll talk about in a few minutes.
As discussed, the biggest resource position and source of long-term growth we have is a real opportunity in the United States.
In South America, both Sara Verde and Alabra grew production in 2022 in a complex social and political environment.
After successfully recovering from the pandemic-related interruptions in 2022, our team in Peru is now dealing with challenges associated with civil unrest that you've all read about. We're prioritizing the safety and security of our workforce.
We're navigating disruptions to transportation routes and supply chains. To date, the impacts have not been significant, but the situation is dynamic day by day and we're watching it very carefully.
The bottom of the chart shows the 2022 cost performance.
As we've talked about on prior calls, we experienced significant inflation pressures across the business during 2022, particularly for energy and other commodity-related consumables.
And in the second half of the year, started to see inflation from rising cost of materials, supplies and services.
The situation started to improve in 2022 with a number of the commodity-related consumables, but we're still dealing with costs in excess of historical levels.
If you look at the average cost for the year at Grassburg of nine cents per pound, it's remarkable particularly in the context of this cost environment.
Richard talked about the significant success story of the Glassburg transition and we've got some
some details on slide 9. It was significant success for not only Freeport but also something for the global mining industry to be proud of in the country of Indonesia.
We started planning for this transition over 25 years ago, and the team has just done an outstanding job.
We benefit from the fact that several from the team who were involved in the planning of this project, including Mark Johnson who's on this call, stayed with it over this period.
And over the years we've added great talent to our team with experts from around the world. The success of this project, the mutual respect built over the years between Freeport, the government of Indonesia, and local communities has established a really strong foundation for the future.
If you go to slide 10, we've got an update on our smelter project. This is a key feature of our commitment to the Indonesian government, to expand domestic copper smelting and refining capacity in Indonesia.
We're making really good progress on constructing the new smelter in eastern Java. It's near our existing smelter, PT Smelting at Gresik. You can see from the pictures that construction is advancing. We've got thousands of workers now on site. We're working very closely with our EPC contractor to...
Recall that the capital investments for this project are being funded from a successful bond offering that PTFI completed during 2022. We have the funding between the bond offering and a revolver at PTFI to fund this project.
Moving to our growth outlook, this is an exciting opportunity for the company and we continue to plan our next phase of growth.
benefit from having multiple organic projects to develop within the portfolio over time.
We operate all the minds we have interest in. We are able to share experiences, new technologies, operating synergies, and best practices across the portfolio as we develop.
projects and we can direct capital across the portfolio to the highest value opportunities.
Our proven technical capacity, capabilities, and management is a notable strength.
And importantly, we've earned a track record and a reputation for operating sustainably and responsibly.
The world, we believe, is going to need all of our projects and more.
The project with the shortest lead time is our America's Leach Initiative. We've talked a lot about it in recent calls. The economics are compelling, low capital intensity, low incremental operating costs, and a low carbon footprint.
The new data analytics capabilities, we are continuing to be applied to prioritize our work streams on the highest value. We're continuing our work to apply covers to the leach stockpiles because of the benefits that you get from heat retention in enhancing recoveries.
And we've identified new areas that were not pursued historically.
We're also continuing to test various additives that can further enhance recovery. This is a really significant opportunity for us. We're continuing to target a run rate of 200 million pounds per annum by the end of this year and success at this level would provide opportunities to scale larger.
We're in a great position to lead this innovation with our long history in leaching and large inventory to work with.
At our Baghdad mine in northwest Arizona, we're progressing a feasibility study to double production at that site.
We expect to complete the feasibility this year and we'll be in a position to assess options on how we time the future development.
We started advanced planning to commence construction of a new tailing site that would support the existing operation but would also provide flexibility for the expanded production.
And as a brownfield expansion, this project could be developed more quickly than a greenfield development.
Our Lone Star opportunity is really something special. We've been successful in increasing production levels substantially above the original project.
And we're really in the early stages in the development of this mine. As we mine the oxide ores more quickly, we're opening up the opportunity for a major sulfide development long term. The resource is massive. You've seen the numbers 50 billion pounds of potential resource here. We're doing a lot of drilling.
regulatory and fiscal matters in Chile. We're planning a project to invest in infrastructure, water infrastructure, to provide flexibility to extend existing operations and optionality to support a new concentrator.
We're also planning at Alabra to test new leaching technologies in the near term to evaluate the potential for expanded leach production and possibly competing technologies to a concentrator.
We're continuing our development of the Kuching Liar deposit in Indonesia. We're really gaining a lot of efficiencies from the work we did at Grasberg Block Cave. Similar to that development, this is a long-term project.
We expect to have initial production from Kuching Liar deposit towards the end of this decade.
Moving to slide 12, we provide a three-year outlook for our sales volumes.
As we talked about, we achieved two years of growth in copper sales, and currently our forecast reflects sales in the 23 to 25 period that are similar to 2022 levels.
Our mine production is actually going to be higher than our sales by about 100 million pounds in 2023 and 2024. And that is a result of our domestic processing arrangements in Indonesia.
where the point of sale has changed from selling concentrate to selling cathodes. So a portion of our production will be inventoried until it's processed and sold through our smelters.
Previously, this inventory would have been held by third-party smelters.
We've got small revisions otherwise to 2023 guidance that reflects the assumption of a continuation of tight labor markets in the U.S. That's impacted our ability to increase mining rates.
Success also in our Leech Recovery Initiative could provide some upside in the U.S. as we look over the next three-year period.
In the reference materials on slide 30, we provide information on our 2023 sales by quarter. The reason for the drop in the first quarter reflects the impact of the tolling arrangement in Indonesia. In the reference materials on slide 30, we provide information on our 2023 sales by quarter. The reference materials on slide 30 reflect the impact of the tolling arrangement in Indonesia.
But you can see the balance of the year is fairly stable at over a billion pounds of copper sales per quarter.
Moving to the cost outlook for 2023, we're providing guidance of average costs of $1.60 per pound for the year. That compares with $1.50 per pound in 2022.
We show a comparison to the two years and you'll see the site production cost line item is about 4.5% higher than the 2022 average. And that's a result of assumptions.
that we've made in our forecast for higher average electricity and coal costs compared with the 2022 average.
and also higher power requirements, principally in Indonesia.
and the impact of higher costs of equipment components, supply costs, and labor costs increases.
The other line items are offsetting. You'll note a decline in royalties and duties. That really is reflective of a recent reduction in our export duty in Indonesia as a result of the smelter progress.
I'll also note that this assumes a molybdenum price of $20 per pound in 2023. The current price is $30 a pound and each $2 per pound change in molybdenum is $0.02 a pound. The current prices hold.
would have roughly 10 cents a pound less unit net cash costs than this reflects.
In recent months, inflationary pressures have been less severe than we experienced during 2022. We're encouraged by that.
We're going to continue to focus on managing costs that we can control. We're continuing to pursue technology-driven enhancements to mitigate the impacts, particularly in the U.S.
It's getting to our cash flows, significant leverage to copper prices.
We've got on slide 14, we show modeled results for EBITDA and cash flow at various copper prices ranging from $3.50 per pound to $5 per pound copper. These are modeled results and we use the average of 24 and 25.
with current volume and cost estimates, and holding gold flat at $1,900 per ounce and molybdenum flat at $20 per pound. And you'll see here that annual EBITDA would range from nearly $9 billion per annum at $3.50 copper. And you'll see here that annual EBITDA would range from $9.50 copper to $3.50 copper.
to $15 billion per annum at $5 copper. And our operating cash flows would range over these prices from $6 billion at $3.50 copper to $11 billion at $5 copper. And we show sensitivities to various commodities on the right and input costs.
With our long live reserves and large scale production, we're well positioned to benefit from future metals intensive growth trends.
with prospects for increasing cash returns under our performance-based payout framework.
Our capital expenditure plans are summarized on slide 15. The capital expenditures totaled $2.7 billion, excluding the smelter, in 2022. We'll note that this was lower than the $3.3 billion estimate we provided going into 2022.
of $3.3 billion for 2023. And capital expenditures for 2024 are currently forecast to approximate $3 billion as spending on the Grassburg projects reach completion.
We always are very careful in managing our capital costs to maintain flexibility in response to market conditions while ensuring that our investments are sufficient to support a reliable long-term production profile.
Returning to the financial policy that we began to implement in the second half of 2021, it's really centered on three priorities.
The cornerstone of the financial policy is maintaining a strong balance sheet.
liquidity and that provides significant flexibility for the future. We've been executing on this performance-based payout that provides for 50% of our free cash flow to be allocated to shareholder returns in the form of dividends and share purchases.
and the balance available to invest in our projects.
Since commencing the performance-based payout policy in the second half of 2021,
We've returned about 60% of our free cash flow to shareholders through dividends and share purchases. At the same time, we also further strengthened our balance sheet.
for providing capacity for funding new projects over time.
We did not purchase shares in the second half of 2022 because of the significant change in market conditions and the resulting impact on cash flows in the second half of the year. The improved market conditions will drive increased free cash flow which will boost shareholder returns.
and our future discretionary share purchases will be dependent on our cash flow and overall market conditions.
We believe the three priorities of balance sheet strength, allocating cash flows to a mix of shareholder returns and organic growth will enhance long term value of our business.
In closing, I just want to reiterate our view about the positioning for the company, a bright long-term future supported by our attractive portfolio of assets.
supported by the fundamentals of the copper business and the positive outlook for the markets we serve. Our team is energized, we're motivated to continue building long-term value in our business and on executing our plans responsibly, safely and efficiently.
And I want to thank you for your attention and operator will now open the call for questions.
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Our first question will come from the line of Emily Chang with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Good morning Richard and Kathleen and thank you for taking my questions. I'd like to sort of ask around Freeport's growth appetite and as you think about the copper price environment and how the market is trending, has anything in your mind changed around how you view Freeport's need to pursue or accelerate growth plans? There's clearly been a lot that has changed in the broader macro environment as well.
ourselves.
to conserve capital or anything else. We believe this is such a great opportunity for us.
that we are pursuing it as aggressively as we can, and we are pursuing it on a number of different fronts. You know, some using outside vendors, some doing things on our own, some in joint ventures with companies. It's just such a great opportunity to add.
production at low capital cost and with low carbon. So it's not something we're constraining. The other projects that we have, and Kathleen reviewed them, we have
Capital projects.
that are multi-year large capital requirements.
And for those, we are working hard to prepare ourselves for them and doing work so that we can go forward, but we are going to wait until the uncertainties that we have been facing recently become clearer. As I said, the
The current sentiment is much stronger than it was three months ago But there's still a lot overhanging the market as you can see in the market today So we are
We are waiting to see that our project in Chile is dependent on the direction the country goes in with its current consideration of its laws and its Constitution. So that is really going to be on hold until that becomes.
Sounds clear, so we were not preparing any major change.
in the first part of 2023 versus what we did in 2022.
Emily, on the leaching run rate, the 200 million pound target that we've laid out, we believe that
that can be attained just from these operational changes that we're making.
you know, the heat retention, leaching in places that we weren't leaching previously, directing the solutions to places where we can enhance recoveries.
Really, from data analytics that we're getting that are helping us, helping guide our operations every day, those things we think we can get just operationally. On top of that, this...
research and development that's going on with respect to additives.
that could scale it larger. So this 200 million pounds that we're talking about, we think that is really just bringing more of a light on our leach stockpiles and moving aggressively to
over the last several years, the focus on the industry has been more on concentrating. And now we're putting focus back on these leach initiatives, and we've identified some things. I wouldn't say low-hanging fruit, but it's achievable things that we're doing, and we're already starting to see results.
out there with respect to both Chinese and ex-China markets, can you give us an updated outlook on what you're seeing from your customers? Are you seeing any indications of slowing demand?
There are pockets in the residential markets of weakness but we are continuing to see strong physical demand.
selling everything that we can produce and there's no ability for us to, at this point, produce more that customers are looking for. So, on balance, I'd say the physical market continues to be healthy and most of our insights come from.
come from within the US because we're a very significant part of the US marketplace. Generally, the market is continuing to be strong and we're selling everything that we can produce. If we could produce more, our customers would want it.
Thank you for that, Colin. And even looking back to 2022, you recall, I mentioned, I think, on more than one conference call...
that there was a disconnect between
between even then to...
physical world we were dealing with with our customers and what the market was doing. So it has been striking as to...
the strength of demand that we've had, you know, we had no problem selling our production.
We've actually you know, there was a shortage of
wire rod in the United States that was where we couldn't need everything that was
being produced and then with our copper concentrate customers, including China, people were buying all that we
produced and actually wanting more. So, market sentiment is better now, but our customers continue to be very positive.
Thanks Richard and Kathleen.
Your next question will come from the line of Chris with the Jefferies. Please go ahead. Hi, thanks Richard and Kathleen for taking my question.
You have 1.3Billion dollars of net debt as of the end of 2022. Your net debt target range is 3 to 4Billion.
So I guess the first question is, is that the range that we should think about? Are you comfortable maintaining that debt below that range? In other words, if you really want to get the $3 to $4 billion, how do you get that from here? You're generating positive cash flow.
You can you know, you can step up the buybacks maybe accelerate returns But do we get to do we get to a three to four billion dollar ranges here? Is that not going to happen?
Well, there's the 1.3.
No, I was just going to say, Chris, and Kathleen, you can talk about the details. When we announced the financial policy,
I looked out and I said, you know, the likelihood is
cash is going to come in faster than we can spend it just because the nature of our capital projects.
long term and take a lot of time. This has happened before the Freeport. You know, in two previous occasions in our history, we got down to zero net debt. Now, this is setting aside the smelter because that's financed on its own. But what this does is by having that
cushion between where our debt is and our debt target is, it will allow us to
readily be able to finance.
able to finance future.
construction projects, but it's just the way the cash flows in.
versus we don't feel any compulsion.
To spend money to get the data up to that target.
Okay, so should we think of it more as a net debt target of below 4 billion rather than 3 to 4?
Three to four billion is the limit. Yes, three to four billion is what we've got. Okay, good, thanks. And then, just sorry, the second question, yes. The second question on Grasberg, it looks like you've increased your Gold Production Guidance for 2024, 2025, and 2026.
But copper volumes are pretty much the same. So is there something, what's happening there to result in an increase in what you expect to get out of that mine in terms of gold over those three years?
Something, what's happening there to result in an increase in what you expect to get out of the mine in terms of gold, of those three years.
While the numbers look simple,
While the numbers look simple, you know, the mental planning is complicated.
and
And we report the results of our mind planning quarterly. And what you're seeing there is some...
Revisions in mind, planning to optimize resource recovery. It wasn't any target. It's just the way that the mineralization in these old bodies pans out, as we change future mine plans.
And yes, there were some safety changes between grass-berg block cave and deep MLZ. And additionally, we've been getting higher gold recoveries than we had previously forecast. And that's helping us as well. So those are the main differences. Thank you.
It's not a targeting exercise, Chris. We didn't do something to try to get more gold. We look at the ore body, we maximize the values, it's a dynamic process, and we report to you the results of that process. That's what it is.
Got it, thanks.
Your next question will come from the line of Lawson Winder with Big America Securities. Please go ahead. You're welcome.
Good morning, Richard. Good morning, Kathleen. It's very nice to hear from you both, and thank you for your time and the update today. I wanted to hopefully ask you two questions. Just one on the C1 cash cost guidance for 2023. To what extent might some of these higher costs year over year, um, um,
continue into 2024? What is the percentage of those that are more structural as opposed to potentially more cyclical?
I think you can look at.
I think you can look at the makeup of our costs on that slide. We provide makeup and labor costs.
The makeup of our costs on that slide. We provide makeup and labor costs.
It's something that kind of stays with you. Materials and supplies, a component of that is commodity-driven.
...and a component of it is, you know, service-driven. The energy, I think, is...
You know, more variability and things like sulfuric acid are more variable. So you can look at that pie chart and get a feel for which ones have the ability to change, and we provide some sensitivities on things like currencies and our diesel costs.
like sulfuric acid is more variable. So you can look at that pie chart and get a feel for which ones have the ability to change. And we provide some sensitivities on things like currencies and diesel costs.
And one thing that's a real benefit of the report that I...
We say a lot, I'm not sure if this is recognized as much as it ought to be.
But we operate every mind that we have an interest in.
We have joint venture partners, but unlike other operations, for those joint ventures that run as a standalone business.
we operate globally through our
Operatorship rights.
And that makes us really...
Important customers of our suppliers.
We're generally one of the very largest customers of people who provide our major supplies. And so, as those suppliers globally have been working to pass along their input costs, our global supply team working with our operations has been effective in mitigating certain of those costs. We've had some impact. But again, it's a real dynamic.
Did you wait, and you know you saw we came in below our quarter ago estimate?
Some costs are moderate, some are carrying over, but it's just an ongoing thing. We give you the best outlook we have, and then we work hard to try to.
Operate.
Operate with as low a cost as we can.
Okay, thank you very much for that. I wanted to follow up on your comments regarding El Abra and the plans to advance water infrastructure. Are you considering desalination capacity? Is that what you're referring to there? Yes, thank you.
Yes, that's that's that's really the only alternative.
Okay, so in the more buildings, go.
Okay, so and then what we did so the timeline beyond that
Well, we're working on it right now.
We're restructuring so that we have the...
alternative of going forward with our current operations and maximizing those or undertaking a
Large-scale investment in new concentrators there. So, we're approaching it to give ourselves.
the alternatives of going in either of those directions. But we wanted to get started with that because it was going to be required one way or the other.
Yeah, and so we've got to go through a permitting process on that as well. So it's unlikely we'll have any material spending on it until...
a few years out.
It takes time to do it. Okay. But, as I said, you know, we.
In the past, we've been delaying that until we made the decision on.
the concentrator expansion, and in recent months we decided we needed to go ahead with the permitting for the water.
Decal plant.
So that we're going to need it one way or the other.
Great. Thank you very much.
Your next question will come from the line of John Dumasos with John Dumasos Very Independent Research. Please go ahead. When it comes to the question of, if we realized there are still possible sites for Leftovers, if the answer was Right, which is, in fact, the opposite action. If the answer was Right, then it comes to the question of how will
Your next question will come from the line of John Tomazos with John Tomazos Very Independent Research. Please go ahead, John.
Good morning! Congratulations on all the progress in this tough business.
Thinking of the slide 11 with the five projects.
5-11 with the 5 projects.
I realize it takes a lot of engineering resources for each of these projects.
Is 5 sort of the maximum number?
Or do you have time for a little more?
You're engineering El-Aobra, but the Constitution, taxes, and all that stuff are up in the air, so it's a big investment in time.
You don't have the Serita mill.
Chino, Mill, or an additional Marensimil projects there. I know you can't do anything. Everything.
But at $30 plus Molly's a serie a new mill
Must be very attractive. You're budgeting 20 and may be lower for the long-term, and 15 for your reserves.
Is there too much Indonesia in your capex and not enough America since you're the biggest US copper producer?
With politics the US looks better every day. I know that's a lot of thoughts but
How to fix a project? Well, no, no, and you know it's a good news story.
How to fix a project: Well, no, no, and you know it's a good news story. You know to have this.
large pipeline of future.
projects and I personally believe the world's underneath that cover. Going to your last question first, there is no relationship between
poochingly air and projects in the US. It doesn't bump out projects. It doesn't prioritize anything. It's something that fits right in. It will be financed by PTFI to cash flows.
our volumes there through our current operating rights to 2041. We're talking with the government about extending those. There's opportunities for Couching Le'Air beyond that. And we believe, although we haven't been engaged in drilling exercises in the Grattsburg Block Cave and deep MLZ, and who knows what else is down there, because we really haven't fully drilled to explore.
Future opportunities now John , you know the thing about grass berg ever since we discovered it just kept getting keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger but that that's
On its own, there is no effect on what we're doing to reduce air pollution or what we're doing in the United States. We have a financial resource system.
To do, I want India-America, the United States, and South America.
So, the ones we've listed are the ones we believe are the...
The largest, most significant executable projects.
Initially.
You know, the Baghdad expansion is a straightforward doubling of mill capacity.
and we dealt with water issues and so forth.
That'll add Molly as well, John , Baghdad. Yeah, it does. It has Molly at Baghdad. And the biggest problem, quite frankly, at Baghdad is getting workers.
You know, it's just a challenge getting...
Mine workers in today's world who live in these remote communities where our mines are.
But that's a very...
executable project is not
It's not that complicated, but as we deal with the workers' situation in housing, as markets clear up, that's one that will be ready to go.
As I said, El Arbor depends on the direction of the government there. Lone Star, which...
you know, really looks like it can be
You know, another...
base level high-profile operation for pre-port in the future we're going to maximize it through the oxide ore and continue to understand how we how we attack the the big sulfide resource that we identified. Then beyond that you know
There's other older minds that we have. Chino has a growth opportunity. All those are in
of evaluation and understanding what we have. Obviously, when you sit down on top and look at this organization, you will be focused.
You don't want to just have a scatter gun approach, but all of those things provide us growth opportunities.
from within our company, which makes it very unlikely that we'll be acquiring.
smaller operations to pursue externally.
You can just see what's gone wrong in the world when you have to pay a big price to get a resource, and then you put the cap on top of it, and that ends up being very large.
Investment to try to recover is much better because we get no value today from these.
Future resources that we have within our portfolio, and with success in developing those, all the incremental value goes to our shareholders, not to someone else's shareholders. But John, I want you to ask a question about, sorry Richard. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just going to say your question about the molybdenum situation. We do have excess milling capacity at our Climax mine, and we have been operating it below capacity.
in recent years because of market conditions, but we have started to do a stripping campaign there that will allow us to expand production from climax over time. It doesn't require a new concentrator or anything like that. So that...
That's our first one, and the incremental costs are attractive. We are doing that. As Richard said, we've got a lot of projects in the background, but these are the ones that are strategic and that we're focused on. Siege technology is a near-term project.
And Baghdad, I mean medium-term and the Lone Star, you know, major expansion, longer-term. El Abra we believe will get done. It's an attractive project and it will get done. It's a question of when. So we don't.
have a good view yet on when that'll go forward but this investment in some infrastructure and water is going to give us some optionality to support an expansion.
So we've got, you know, all our people focused on these things, and we have an enormous resource space. And like we were saying, in the US, where we already have established operations and
and community support. So we're in a really good position as we look forward as to what this world's going to need in terms of, in terms of new copper supply.
None of this can go quickly.
As you well know.
If I could follow with one more.
A few years ago, Freeport bought a drinking water system and a sewage system for Arequipa, the third-largest city, as you were tripling the El Abra mill and mine – excuse me, the Cerro Verde mill and mine. And I think you might have some short-line rail, so you don't have as many trucks on the road.
Could you just confirm that your tons per day are 350,000 to 400,000 tons a day and no mishaps at Cerro Verde? I think there's a lot of confusion in the press about the...
conditions yeah yeah the last in the last several days we've been operating
We have been operating at around the 350 level. Prior to that, we were closer to 400. We have really been operating at 10 to 15 percent lower just to deal with supplies. We are watching that every day, and I will let Richard comment on the community.
situation, but in terms of operations,
We're continuing to operate, but we have limited our mill throughput just to deal with the limitations and the concerns about key supplies.
I'm glad you asked the question because I wanted to elaborate on what I said about Peru.
In my opening comments, I think all of you know that the Ceravari milling complex is the largest in the industry.
I think all of you know that the Ceravari milling complex is the largest in the industry.
400,000 plus per day capacity.
400,000-plus per day capacity.
The tailings dam will be one of the largest earthen dams ever constructed in the history of humankind, not the largest.
The tailings dam will be one of the largest urban dams ever constructed in the history of humankind. It's not the largest. And...
What John's referring to is the number of years ago when we, as a community project, invested in a freshwater system.
For Eric, he put the second largest city in Peru. And then, as we were developing.
The expansion of the concentrator and tailings down, we shifted away from building a new dam on the river that runs.
Just outside the city of Arequipa, to come in, and we built a wastewater collection.
treatment system and with doing that we got water for our concentrator.
and we markedly improved the ecology of the river, and that has been very positively received by downstream farmers and community itself. And that's really helped foster our positive relationship there, and our team there does overall good. Now having said that, it is just one completely different
The situation of the GRU is very complicated, and nobody at this point can predict how it's going to unfold. Emotions are very high. The government is reluctant to use extreme steps to...
deal with roadblocks and disruptions and this thing in the day-to-day evolution.
And so, we are faced with the problems.
This caused us to cut back on our production rates to conserve line and other inputs so that we could continue to operate.
have the ability to house workers on a temporary basis on site. Most of our workers live in the region of the city of Eric Keepa, and sometimes those roads have been blocked. So we're prepared for it. Our team does a great job in managing things like this, during times like COVID. And...
But I just wanted to make the point that the concerns people are raising are directed.
towards the issues with the government and not directed against us at Sara Verde, our operations. And so far, we've been able to continue to operate. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Michael Dudas with Vertical Research. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Richard and Kathleen. I was intrigued by your comment about labor and availability and such. I guess you're talking more about the situation in the U.S., but how much is that situation limiting your volume plans for 2023?
Is probably a small percentage, but is it more secular pressure of getting the qualified, productive miner operators for all your mines? Is that also going to be a limiting factor on how the industry reacts to try to move forward with the market signals in the future that are going to need more supply? Yeah. Well, during COVID, we did.
During 2021, and that continued into 2022, we have a situation where we currently have about something on the order of 1,300 job openings.
and we've got
You typically tend to 10,000.
employees in the US. And we've seen a lot of turnover as well, and it's just been a very competitive marketplace for labor as you've read about in the US.
And we don't have that situation in Indonesia or in South America, but we do have competition in the U.S. with other sectors. And that's continuing into 2023, causing us to change our outlook somewhat. We could have seen this in 2022.
produced more if we were fully staffed. And I believe that is the case again this year. That's why we're making some progress on hires. And we are conducting training for some of these workers who were...
Mine in the US refers to just the labor force. But we'll see what happens. You're starting to see some changes in payrolls and that sort of thing, and we'll see how this unfolds. But it is a factor in our US mining output.
Yeah, so it's a
You know, it's broader than mining. I mean, when I talk with people at business council meetings and roundtable discussions, it's a common theme you hear across many industries. And when all the COVID relief funds went out, that was a factor. I mean, you know, that was a factor.
Face it, our work is hard work. And it's harder to drive a big haul truck than it is to drive an Amazon or UPS or FedEx truck. So, we compete with those. We pay our people strong living wages.
We're giving people substantial increases this year. We invest in recreational facilities, try to deal with housing. It's an issue in Colorado with our molybdenum mines. You can imagine what it's like there. So, it's a big issue for us. And as a result, we're giving people substantial increases this year.
You know, our mind rates start meeting what we would like for them to meet, and that affects
not only current but future production, and it's a strategic challenge for us.
But it's not just us, and it's not just the mining industry. The mining industry, because of the nature of the work, presents special problems. This leaking initiative that we're pursuing is not labor-intensive.
Because it's already, you know, the material has already been mined. So that's a real opportunity for us to execute on. And if we're successful with this leaking, what it opens up for us is unbelievable. I mean, we have.
You know, Marency, the largest leaching operation in the world, has been for years.
And by enhancing the existing leaching operations using all these tools, data analytics, and heat covers, and supplements.
It's really amazing, but then it opens up historical each stacks and potentially places like Lone Star using leaching to
to replace or minimize concentrated investment. So it's...
It's really exciting, you know, and it's beyond just these 200 pounds that we're targeting now, but if we succeed
It's a great opportunity for us, and you know it's not a fracking deal. It isn't only yes, it's not going to turn the dynamics of the plot situation upside down.
For our company, like Freeport, with the reaching operations that we have and the application with success to historically, at least sites and future mind development.
company like Freeport with the with the leaching operations that we have and the application with success to historical leach sites and future mine development it's something that's really exciting.
And the great thing about it is seeing the excitement of our own guys, our team that's working on it. It's really gratifying.
The only thing about it is seeing the excitement of our own guys, our own team working on it. It's really gratifying. Thank you, Kathleen. I'm looking forward to watching the whole game now.
Thank you. Our final question will come from the line of Indique Fold and Nittingness with Clarkson Securities. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. With the live issue in the mining world building in Chile, at least it's sort of moving in the right direction.
If we're interested in getting some color on what you'd realistically like to see to be comfortable with moving forward with Yellow Bright Passion.
I had the chance for the first time to meet the President, Chile, when I was at APEC in Bangkok. We had a very long conversation with the answer to his presentation and it was really positive.
And he's pointing to me what he's facing which I can appreciate. Kathleen and Met with him earlier.
What he's facing, which I can appreciate. Kathleen had met with him earlier.
And so, it's like what's, you know, going on in a lot of different countries around the world. You know, particularly when commodity prices go up, people see the opportunity to take.
So, it's like what's going on in a lot of different countries around the world. You know, particularly when commodity prices go up, people see the opportunity to take control.
benefits through royalties and taxes and use them to meet social needs. And it's always a balancing situation.
At one point, you know, Chile built its whole economy on copper and was very successful when I...
When I was talking to people in Indonesia, the Congo, and other places, I would always point to Chile as
An example of a country that could be successful by encouraging mining.
Chile for a number of reasons, labor, and government situation is losing.
or has lost and is losing the comparative advantage it once had.
Loss and is losing comparative advantage that it once had. So these government officials
run on a platform of
Run on a platform of enhancing social problems.
And then, they end up facing the reality of going too far with what that does to their country in terms of its currency, and in terms of its economic, global investment and so forth.
President Chile understands that and you can see that there has been
A more positive tone to dealing with these issues. We're not a real leader in Chile, although we are in the global copper business, so we participate with the government, with other companies there, in the conversations that are going on. Greetings.
and share our experiences that we have had in working globally on these kinds of issues. So the current direction is clearly more positive than it was a year ago.
The presence facing low level of popularity now. And so it's a question of...
Facing Reality for Medical Leaders.
facing reality for political leaders. And we certainly lived our
based our share of those things. And as a mining company,
Faced our share of those things, and as a mining company, we work hard to.
gain the trust of the politicians that you do things the right way, you're sensitive to their issues, you don't try to take advantage every time you have a chance to take advantage.
We've actually walked away from projects because governments, we didn't believe the deal the government was off. This was a sustainable, long-term deal's next through that, from that to be the case.
So, it's a complicated deal, a big part of a business for the leader of a company. And you've got to, as I said, listen.
Be responsible and work to find middle ground so that it's a win-win deal, and you're not taking advantage of anyone. You're representing your stakeholders and not letting someone take advantage of you.
And that's what Chile is going through. I believe that a reasonable compromise will be reached because it's in everybody's interest for that to happen.
We'll also be looking at how the constitutional process.
advances this year, and it appears the financial package is moving forward, and they're reaching
Some determination seems to be progressing, but we also want to look at how this constitutional process unfolds as well. In the meantime, we're maintaining our options by planning to move forward with water infrastructure investments.
And you know, I can't let this call go by without.
And you know, I can't let this call go by without telling you how.
Personally, please, Diane, regarding our much-improved relationship with the government and Indonesia.
where we had multi-year discussions and negotiations over our money, right, in our contract and so forth.
It's just been remarkable what's happened in the last months. I made three trips there. We had
The president had an incredibly positive visit to our job site at the end of August or early September.
He asked me to accompany his investment minister, and Kathleen was there too.
University road trip, and then...
The two of us went back for the B20 part of G20 and got to see the president and others, and then at APEC in Bangkok. It's just a great feeling to feel that we're all...
all together now working to for the benefit of all the stakeholders.
And having the success we're having on the ground at PTFI. All right, well thank you all for... With that, I will turn the call over to management for any closing remarks. All right, I was starting that. No, thanks. Thank you, everybody, for participating today.
And you know, we're always available for follow-up calls. You can call David initially, and he can make arrangements to talk with Kathleen, me, or whoever else we need to bring into the conversation. Thank you for your participation. It's great to have a quarter like this, and we're really excited about our future. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our call for today. Thank you for joining us.