Q4 2022 Medifast Inc Earnings Call
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Yes.
Good afternoon, and welcome to Medifast fourth quarter 2022 earnings Conference call.
On the call with me today are Dan Chard, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, and Jim Maloney, Chief Financial Officer.
By now everyone should have access to the earnings release for the quarter ended December 31, 2022 that went out this afternoon at approximately four O five P. M. Eastern time, if you've not received the release. It is available on the Investor Relations portion of Medifast website at Www Dot Medifast, Inc. Dot Com. This call is being webcast and a replay will also be available.
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I'd like to turn the call over to manifest Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Dan Chard.
Thanks, Reed and welcome to the call everyone. We're grateful that you're taking the time to be with us today.
On the call with me is Jim Maloney manifest Chief Financial Officer.
I'll provide some context on the fourth quarter and full year 2022 as well as some detail on how we are continuing to develop our business. Jim will then take you through the specifics of our financials in some more detail.
Looking at the fourth quarter. There are many things to be encouraged by as we continue to recalibrate and adjust to the changing local global macroeconomic environment and shifts in consumer behavior related to the fast moving economic disruption that peaked in Q2 of 2022 and impacted our business dynamic.
Revenue was a little ahead of expectations in large part driven by the enhanced stability that we have been able to bring to a customer retention rates.
Which have now returned to and remain at historical levels.
We continue to take steps to mitigate cost pressures drive efficiency and build financial resilience in our model.
The 80 basis points of compression in adjusted gross margin. We experienced in Q4 was largely driven by inflation and partially offset by pricing changes and the optimization of shipping costs.
We expect the price increase is to have an additional positive impact on margins throughout the course of 'twenty twenty-three.
We're closely managing our SG&A expenses, which decreased 420 basis points as a percentage of revenue on an adjusted basis driven by developments in our internal labor and field operations related to both filled compensation plan optimization as well as well as field support automation.
The number of active earning after the coaches was down against Q3 of 2022 but up compared to the prior year period to 60900 coach.
Coach productivity is down both sequentially and year over year.
We expect to see continued pressure on productivity through 'twenty twenty-three, particularly in the first half as the residual effects of the behavioral shifts from last year worked their way through the annual business cycle.
With customer retention levels, having returned to normal and a continued focus on managing our cost structure. Our full focus is on executing a more rigorous approach to customer acquisition, which continues to be pressured by changing customer purchasing behavior and changes to the social media platforms, our coaches use to <unk>.
Sure the after via programs with prospective customers.
We are currently implementing and developing initiatives that will enable us to build on the momentum we have already seen in retention levels by accelerating customer acquisition and improving the existing tenure mix to return it to historical normal ranges.
We know that both coaches and customers are more productive in the earlier stages of their after via lifecycle, which is why achieving an optimal tenure mix has been and remains an important part of our growth strategy.
There are really three elements to our approach when considering customer acquisition of tenure.
First we work to implement programs that help coaches attract new audiences to the after via program.
Bringing in new customers, who are looking for lifelong transformation in their health and wellness journey.
Secondly, our.
Our coaches work in partnership with these customers to ensure that they achieve their goals and to create a deep and enduring engagement with after via to ensure long term retention.
Finally, we work with our coaches to take a portion of those passionate new customers and convert them into coaches build on their own enthusiasm to attract and engage new customers themselves.
With historically seen solid results from this three tiered approach and while there are certainly external pressures impacting all of these areas that present the team is working to enhance each element to maximize effectiveness as we move forward.
Customer acquisition has been more challenging in recent months.
With an upward shift in the amount of time that coaches take to acquire each new customer.
Coaches continue to spend the same amount of time on this important activity, but the adjusted acquisition rate means that coaches are reaching and subscribing fewer new customers per coach to the after via health and wellness plan.
We attribute these changes to a shift in customer behavior related to the evolving macro environment as well as two shifts and the algorithmic technology of social media platforms, which have altered the visibility of coach messages among prospective customers.
Social reach is a constantly changing target and it's critical that we were working in deep partnership with the field to help coaches optimize their effectiveness in this space.
Our teams are developing highly customized training programs that provide best practice insights into each of the key platforms and offering updates tips and emerging trends as we see changes take place in the technology.
By working with the field to empower our coaches to succeed will continue to help our message cut through the noise and reach more people.
Separately.
We also need to continue to take advantage of our own technique aldi platforms, such as our apps.
Where we control the platform.
And we were able to build an unfiltered direct connection with our customers.
We are also working on enhanced customer acquisition programs that can help us return acquisition rates to traditional levels. Our most recent work began with our commit to health business program, which started on December 26th and ran through the end of January .
This is an important driver focusing on fostering alignment of our entire coach network around customer acquisition through the creation of attractive price points for both first and second food orders.
The aim is not just to encourage first time after via customers to sign up but also to reactivate lapsed customers, who have already had a positive experience with the brand.
It's still too early to fully interpret the results of the commit to health program, which we anticipate will play out over the next few quarters.
We've certainly seen a significant lift in customer acquisition and.
And we are encouraged by the number of customers discovering the after via a program for the first time.
We will also continue to take tactical opportunities to build new permanent customer acquisition incentives as we see opportunities in the field.
An example would be the accelerator for all compensation planned bonus that we put in place at the end of last year to offer an incentive for coaches to bring new customers into the after via family.
This bonus is now part of the 20th twenty-three new compensation structure, reflecting our ongoing focus on new customer acquisition. In addition to other important business building initiatives.
We believe that there are green shoots beginning to emerge and the customer tenure mix as a result of these initiatives, but it will take some more time for any shift to play out fully in our numbers.
Once we have successfully attracted a customer we use personalized coaching enhanced health and wellness education and effective digital tools to drive engagement, keeping customers engaged for longer and ensuring that after vod becomes part of each customer's everyday life.
As a primary focus for the team.
As the catalyst for reestablishing, our customer and coach tenure and enhancing future revenue growth.
Optimizing our technology is a vital component of this work we continue to work to ensure that coach messages cut through social media noise, and we use our own platforms, particularly after be his own apps to enable us to have a direct path to customers both existing and future.
The work coming out of our Technology Center in Utah continues to move the bar on our work in this area and as we continue to engage and communicate with coaches and customers through these platforms, we will reduce the impact of changes in the algorithms on social platforms.
Customers, who join the after via program today form future coach cohorts and these cohorts in turn drive optimization of the customer and coach tenure mix and enable associated improvements in efficiency and productivity.
We currently have a number of coach development initiatives in the pipeline to incentivize it.
This encoders to help newer customers on their own coaching journey and expect to see some of these programs come online in the first half of the year as well as throughout the rest of 2020 three.
Optimizing incentives and compensation plan remains an important tool in our Arsenal to drive growth retention and engagement and we will continue to adapt and experiment over the upcoming months as we look to expand our reach.
We are investing substantial time and resources and carefully learning from our existing and prospective customers listening to what our coaches are hearing and finding efficient solutions to challenges as well as building programs that deliver connection engagement and retention.
We're consistently adapting and focusing our efforts on where we believe they will have the most impact whether that's a new technology pricing changes optimizing the efforts of coaches or other initiatives.
All of this is work aimed at building important momentum in both acquisition and tenure and the programs that we are putting in place in the first half of 'twenty three will be important drivers to reestablish our repeatable business rhythm.
We will continue to ensure that we maintain operational effectiveness across all areas of the business, while leveraging our investments in flexible scale to deliver high rates of profitability, even in an inflationary environment.
The strength of our operational platform now enables us to focus on creating efficiencies in several areas, including procurement.
Value engineering manufacturing and G&A.
We are already seeing P&L impact from this work and we expect more meaningful support in future periods.
Over the course of more than six years, we have developed after via into a powerful transformational force that engages customers and helps people change their lives for good.
We've consistently shown an ability to adapt to changing circumstances and opportunities and we have become stronger and more efficient and effective as a result.
We demonstrated this when we changed our business model in 2017, and when we adopted during the course of the global Covid pandemic and since Twenty-twenty.
We are building a business that we believe will be capable of thriving in any economic environment.
And while there may be bumps in the road on that journey. It's a goal that continues to motivate and drive us as a team.
Our highly personalized and unique approach to holistic health transformation remains markedly differentiated in the marketplace.
We have clinically proven plans that consistently deliver materially positive outcomes, along with unprecedented levels of customer satisfaction.
We recognize we don't control every single variable and that the future environment could change just as quickly as we saw in Q2 of 2022 however.
We have a clear grasp on the factors and triggers that we can influence and we are continuing to deploy them in a way that can help us navigate through any business turbulence.
We continue to build a company that can thrive in all macroeconomic conditions not just the worlds with us today.
That is how we drive long term growth for all of our stakeholders.
As we have emerged from the global pandemic, there's a greater focus than ever on issues related to health and wellness and obesity continues to be at the core of that.
A recent survey commissioned by met a fast and conducted by an independent research company found that 70% of U S. Adults are determined not to let their health and wellbeing falter in 2020 three.
With the majority of already prioritizing it over other areas of their lives, including career and education.
57% of USD adults, specifically cited that they would spend more time on their health and well being in 2020 three.
With a receptive market and a highly effective business model in place we remain confident in our ability to drive engagement and make after the increasingly central to the health journeys of more people around the world.
Part of our commitment to our mission to transform lives one healthy habit at a time involves ensuring that we reach into the communities in which we live and work to drive change regardless of the socio economic background of those involved.
I'm proud of the impact we have made to date through our corporate social responsibility initiatives initiative healthy habits for all.
Which advances our mission by providing children and under resource communities with the education and access necessary to create healthy habits.
We hit an important educational milestone with the healthy habits for all curriculum, which has now been downloaded by educators in all 50 States and Washington, D C and which has impacted more than 30000 students since its launched this past fall.
Modeled after the company's proprietary habits of health system.
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We also increased access to nutritious food through our continued partnership with a national nonprofit no Kid hungry.
We provided the equivalent of nearly 13 million healthy meals to deserve in kids.
This year, we widen our reach and supported a community and educational garden near our Medifast Digital innovation Center in Utah that not only shows students how to grow their own healthy food, but also gives them access to farms and local gardens.
Of course, Theres still more to be done both in education and in food access through both our corporate and philanthropic efforts. We are working to help break the generation will change a poor health and give people the ability to transform their health and wellness destinies.
That's important work and I am proud of the impact we are having.
Delivering against our mission remains at the heart of all that we do and.
And we have a strong management team and employee base that help us to ensure we continue to make progress against our important goals.
We have consistently shown our ability to achieve pause with outcomes in challenging environments and the work we have done over the course of the past six months in a difficult macroeconomic landscape as proof of that.
There was a great deal of work to be done and we need to work as a team to ensure that we will build heightened momentum as we move through 2023 and into 'twenty 'twenty four.
At the same time, the fundamental building blocks of long term growth are in place.
I'm confident in our strategy and our ability to execute and look forward to sharing more of our progress with you on future calls.
With that I'll hand, the call over to manifest Chief Financial Officer, Jim Maloney.
Thank you Dan.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022 decreased 10.7% to $337.2 million from $377.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2021.
We ended the quarter with approximately 60900 active earning after via coaches an increase of 1.8% from the fourth quarter of 2021.
Average revenue per active earning at the Villa coach for the fourth quarter was $5538 a year over year decline of 12.4% driven by continued pressure from last year's this Russian and customer retention.
Continued softness in customer acquisition.
Andy Unoptimized coach and customer tenure.
Gross profit decreased 16.1% to $233.6 million, reflecting lower revenue and coach productivity.
And gross profit margin declined 440 basis points to 69.3%, mainly due to expenses associated with the restructuring of external manufacturing agreements to optimize our supply chain for 2023.
Excluding these one time expenses on a non-GAAP adjusted basis.
Gross profit decreased 11.7% to $245.8 million and gross profit margin decreased 80 basis points to 72.9%.
Primarily reflecting inflation outpacing pricing adjustments, partially offset by lower shipping costs due to reduced express shipping compared to the prior year.
SG&A expenses decreased 13.1% to 200 point.
$9 million and were 170 basis points lower as a percentage of revenue, primarily reflecting lower coach compensation expense.
Lower internal labor expense.
And field operation efficiencies.
Partially off set by expenses related to donations to support the Ukrainian relief effort.
On a non-GAAP adjusted basis, which excludes Ukraine donations SG&A decreased 16.8% to $192.5 million and were 420 basis points lower as a percent of revenue to 57 point.
1%.
Income from operations decreased 30.4% to $32.6 million, reflecting decreased gross profit, partially offset by lower SG&A.
On a non-GAAP .
Adjusted basis, which excludes one time expenses related to the restructuring of external manufacturing agreements and Ukraine donations income from operations increased 13.7% to $53.3 million.
As a percentage of revenue non-GAAP adjusted income from operations increased 340 basis points from the year ago period to 15.8%.
The effective tax rate was 18.2% from the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to 27.2% in the prior year's fourth quarter.
The decrease in the effective tax rate was primarily driven by an increase in charitable contributions benefit.
And a reduction in the limitation for executive compensation, partially offset by a decrease in stock compensation benefit.
On a non-GAAP adjusted basis, the effective tax rate in the fourth quarter was 23.5%.
Net income in the fourth quarter of 'twenty, 'twenty, two was $26.5 million or $2.41 per diluted share on.
On a non-GAAP adjusted basis, net income increased 19.4% year over year to $40.6 million and EPS increased 27.1% year over year to $3.70.
Additionally on December 8th the company's board of directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $17 $9 million or $1.64 per share.
Which was paid on February 7th 2023 to stockholders of record as of December 20th 20 twenty-two.
This represents a 15.5% per share increase compared to the fourth quarter of the prior year.
Turning to our balance sheet and cash flows.
We believe our financial position remains strong with $87.7 million in cash and cash equivalents and no interest bearing debt as of December 31st 2022.
During the year ended December 31st 2022 are.
Our net cash flow from operating activities was $194.6 million, an increase of 105.8% from the year ago period.
I will now turn to our guidance for Q1 'twenty twenty-three.
As we have discussed.
The macroeconomic impact to our business has caused an unfavorable shift in customer acquisition since Q2, 2022.
Based on this we expect Q1 2023.
Revenue in the range of $300 million to $320 million and diluted EPS to be in the range of $1 75 to $2.40.
Our guidance assumes a 26% to 27% effective tax rate.
Given the rapidly shifting macroeconomic sentiment and how that is impacting our new customer acquisition.
We are not providing full year 2023 guidance.
We will periodically reassess our ability to provide guidance when we believe future performance can be reasonably estimated.
Finally.
We believe that along with our more than 60000 active earning off the vehicle, which is we will be able to navigate the new business environment in the coming quarters, and we are confident in our long term, 15% growth and 15% operating income targets.
With that let me turn the call back to Dan.
Thanks, Jim in closing, we have built a robust business. So over the course of the past six years developing a coach based model and a transformational system that is a powerful force for personal health and wellness change for coaches and customers across the United States and around the world.
We change lives for the better and we do it in a unique and effective way.
It's a differentiated approach the stands out in the marketplace and provides truly personalized wellness journeys two individuals who have traditionally struggled to achieve positive outcomes in the past.
Clearly some of the changes we saw last year have had and will continue to have a residual effect on our business as they work their way through our annual business cycle.
There is much work to be done to empower our coaches to achieve the best possible outcomes. Despite some of the issues they face.
We are developing and implementing significant customer acquisition initiatives that will help us drive momentum and a return to historical norms in tenure and are working hard as a team to ensure that we drive incremental change to the key metrics the power of our economic engine.
I remain highly confident in our ability to reestablish our growth rhythm over the course of the coming months.
We are building a business that is capable of delivering solid performance in all economic environments.
And we have an accomplished leadership team that has a strong record of achieving positive results in complex environments.
With that I will turn the call over to the operator for questions.
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Our first question is from Linda Bolton Weiser with D. A Davidson. Please go ahead.
Yeah.
Hi, good afternoon.
So I was wondering what.
Particular metrics or Kpis would you be watching.
So that you would feel more comfortable.
We to start giving annual guidance again, so are you mostly just watching.
New new customer growth or.
Coach productivity or I mean, what what would make you feel more comfortable about reinstating guidance on an annual basis. Thank you.
Thanks, Linda Yeah, I think what we're looking at right now is the continued effect of what we saw last year.
Which was effectively a 15% reduction related to change in retention.
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The most important metrics that we track them all but one have returned to historical norms. So that's an important part of the answer your question. So that means customer retention is back two and a sustained at normal rates, our customer satisfaction and co satisfaction, which are a driver of repeat rates are supporting that.
And our customer to coach conversion have also returned to historical normal wage. So the one final and has been the most elusive.
Metric that continues to perform at lower than historical norms.
Is it related to our customer acquisition and what we what we see happening is partly because of the impact of inflation on disposable income and.
And partly also because of a change in what we're seeing in more recent launches on some of the algorithmic changes and our.
Our social media platforms that our coaches use.
We're seeing that number have a lot of weight on that so once we see that return.
We expect to be able to offer a better guidance and what we've seen so far we are still very much at the beginning of our.
A R.
As part of our journey of returning to operating.
But in a normal environment or making the new environment our growth environment.
We've seen our our focus be able to start.
Turning specifically to that one final metric.
Is that specifically that's impacting.
Our our return to our slowing are returned to healthy coach and client tenure mix and it's also impacting the speed of our return to our target revenue growth in disrupting our ability to effectively provide guidance. So that's that's why the disruption has been extended into.
This year and that's why our Q1 guidance reflects that continued decline of our revenue.
Okay. Thank you that's helpful also.
Would you want to actually see a return to positive year over year, new customer growth or would you want to see just an improvement in the year over year decline.
Yeah.
For this year I'd say, we're focused on.
Starting to see the turn and the year over year decline, leading to the positive year over year growth and where we started at a deficits.
Last year because of the loss of that 15%.
And that deficit got a wider as the.
The environment for acquiring new clients become became more difficult and because.
That's like that are 15% of clients we lost.
Normally a portion of those would become coaches and would've turned that tenure. So those are kind of the headwinds we're facing so were but what we saw in January was the beginnings of our ability to impact, but we still are.
Closing that gap.
Yeah improvement through the year over year first and then movement towards year over year growth.
So that's the way I understand are you, saying the new customers.
We're less down year over year in January versus fourth quarter or is that what you're saying.
Yeah, what we what we saw in January was an improvement in our tenure, which means that we brought in a higher number of customers. So that that was comprised of both new customers and also.
Customer lapsed customers, who had not not bought for the last six months. So we saw that the that number.
Start to improve relative to.
To close we had loss.
Other way to bridge that Linda is.
As we mentioned.
During the second half of 2022.
Customer acquisition efforts were more difficult.
So the lower <unk>.
Customer acquisition in the second half of 2022 is really impacting Q1.
Simply there are just less customers as we entered 2023.
Then there were in 2022, when we entered 2022.
And as Dan mentioned in the prepared remarks.
That they commit to health program.
We saw it being successful in improving customer count.
In January you know.
It's just too early to tell how successful that program will be until we move out in the next several quarters.
So.
Here's the here's a way Linda to think about.
The path ahead, and this is kind of build on Jim's comment so.
There are three things we're focused on right now.
Programs as one training training is the other and then improving our offer so what you've seen us do so far in the third and fourth quarter of last year is introduce programs, which were specifically focused on providing a coach and coach leader incentives around bringing in more clients.
What you saw in Q1 or the January program was a customer acquisition offer which focused on price.
For the first month, so $75 off.
The first month of a Premier program and then a incentive through our.
Our rewards program, which provided an incremental 20% off what is normally 10% and that's focused on ensuring that we have repaid.
Repaid so as we look towards the rest of the year, what youre going to see the programs focusing on our continued Ah, let's say optimization of art.
Customer of our coach incentive structure and also a return to some of the programs that were pre pandemic to build lead.
Leadership structure, so think about that as.
Leadership incentive programs like.
The trips that we used to have so as we worked through through those programs. We think that'll have a positive impact.
On building back that client base that we spend impacted the training that's taking place right now.
Is going through the first quarter and will continue into the second quarter is essentially focused on retraining them call. It 95% of all of our coach leaders. So that we consider our coach leaders executive directors and above and that will result in roughly.
25% to 35% of all of our active coaches.
Being retrained their retraining is focused on operating in the new environment and are managing and changing some of their acquisition efforts, including how including moving towards a different approach on how to leverage social media still leveraging it but also bringing back into the mix.
Some of the in person activities.
The last thing that we are focusing on is the offer so think about the offer.
Has that first time order. So we're looking at ways to make that a more value added in the current environment. So that would include things like the continued development of the after via App.
We're looking at accelerating the launch of some of the additional healthy habit products.
Postpone.
Some of those last year as we were facing this uncertain environment with with inflation and then the last thing on the on the offer side is continuing to offer more support for expansion into the us. Hispanic.
Hispanic segment of the United States and ultimately we believe there is an opportunity for us to expand.
Beyond the U S borders into Latin America.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we're picking up from various coaches that we're in contact with them that there is some promotion and price promotions similar to the January program being offered in February we're actually seeing different promotions being offered by different coaches. So I'm curious kicked coaches running around price promotions and if they are.
That's the case, how does that work in terms of customers ordering directly on your website.
Just what's going on out there with I thought everybody bought at one price. So how is it different coaches can be running different price promotions to different sets of customers.
So the answer is yes, our coaches have the ability to to run their own promotions and that's done through coordinated well through interaction in an alliance or.
Integration within our systems, so they call them health credits allows them to.
Manage promotions on their own and and typically that's done.
For new client acquisition efforts, so the company or Corporately.
Really focused on.
That program that we talked about 75% or $75 off the first order and then a 30% premier rewards for the second but yes, there are a coaches who run their own programs to supplement or in some cases to fill in gaps related to what their specific cadences and.
Terms of client acquisition.
So are they taking that for their own run promotion are they taking that hit to their own profit margin or are you helping them find.
By working with individuals coaches like how is that working.
They're doing it from their own profit margins, so they're they're using their own commission structure to fund those.
Mhm Okay.
That's.
Just just to be clear that's something that's been.
Consistent for many years, we typically partner with coach leaders talk about if let's say.
In this case a price promotion.
We get part of the way there or they get the rest of the way there and we.
Target specific.
Different levels of price promotions together.
But that's so that's really what you're saying.
Okay.
So.
Is there any way you can kind of give us some idea some metrics or data points about the different profit margins in 2023. So.
I would assume gross margin would be down sequentially in the first quarter because of the January promotion, but then then what should we see should we see further decline or stabilization or kind of give some cadence of how the gross margins should progress through the year.
Yeah, it's going to be difficult to talk about the year, but for Q1 specifically.
We're we're expecting year over year.
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The program that you just mentioned they commit to health program that will have a.
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The decline in gross margin impact to it.
Because that is affects price and secondly, we will lose leverage with the.
The lower volume in Q1 versus Q1 of last year.
But we do expect.
In the long term Linda that Theres enough programs in place that we have internally to get back to 15% operating income.
Well you know, we're looking at procurement programs.
Also looking at value engineering programs and as Dan mentioned G&A programs. So.
For for the G&A programs just to give you an example that would be.
Automation of our.
Customer service and and.
That youre starting to see that actually last in 2022 so.
That's why I'm confident that we can get back to 15%.
That operating target is because we just achieved in Q4 so.
As long as we.
We have the leverage in.
S sales.
15% operating income margin the long term is achievable.
Okay and in terms of these different procurement programs and value engineering and all of that is there any way to quantify like cost savings that you would expect in 2023 or are these multiple year program. So you can't really put a finger on the 2020 in fact, yes.
They're there they are multiple year programs, we are targeting.
A gross amount between 300 to 400 basis points in the long term, so it's going to be multiple years.
So.
You know.
I would say that.
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You could you could almost think of it as you know.
50% of the cost savings will be within our G&A and 50% of the cost savings in the long term will be within gross margin.
Okay.
Thank you and then do you have a capex number for calendar 2022.
Yeah, the Capex number for 2022.
It was approximately.
A $16 million.
Okay.
And then do you think that'll be hires higher in 2023 are about the same or what do you think about that.
Yeah in 2023, we are seeing.
That is.
It's approximately the same expectation.
Expectation.
We're expecting that or.
Uh huh.
2023 to be about the same as 2022. So the exact number for 2022 was 16 million 681.
Okay.
And then.
You know when we think about your dividend I mean, you know this as you say, you're you're unsure about the macro environment.
And there was even this issue. This is a whole separate question, but theres. Some drugs recently that it's been getting some publicity that's been helping people with weight problems, especially a very obese people will go V. N launch all of these are drugs that are out there. So there's a lot of things that you're unsure of how would you think about your <unk>.
Dividend.
I'm kind of going forward does that point to kind of lower dividend increases and to what extent do you use.
Like are you willing to put debt on your balance sheet in order to pay your dividend or would you rather.
Back of the dividend to preserve the balance sheet, what are you thinking yeah. So.
Yeah. So when you look at the whole capital allocation I'll call. It a program.
For 2023 and beyond.
Our plan is to continue to invest.
Invest in organic growth.
Maintain or continue to grow the dividend.
<unk> been consistently apply funds to stock repurchases, so any excess funds, where you would be funding through stock.
Stock repurchases.
But we do plan on maintaining a conservative balance sheet.
We would be willing to do a low amount of leverage.
Okay.
And then what about.
Just follow on thoughts Dan maybe on these drugs that are out there and.
It seems like the whole a lot of weight loss companies are having difficulty and I know you're not just late last year wellness.
But it seems like everyone's having problems do you think the drugs are affecting your business at all.
Yeah, we don't we don't get a lot of comments from our coaches about the drugs, but certainly it's something that we're watching very closely.
I think equally.
Concerning to us, we're not concerning but equally kind of generating or a tender grabbing our attention is the number of of our companies that are offering coaching so that support component is becoming more and more common. There's also there are also a lot more companies were talking about.
CIT developing healthy habits, and so I think those three things together and some players that are coming in.
At the high and low end of.
The spectrum as long as it is in terms of pricing spectrum, but also.
More I'll say developed technology, all those things are things that we're looking at and are very aware of.
I'm not sure exactly where the drugs are going to go there. So I think theres a little bit of you know.
Controversy.
Lay out over the upcoming months there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about the lack of oversight and regulation about the advertising. So I think there's going to be a little bit of Oh, that's kind of correction I think in that market, but yes, we're watching them closely but at this point.
Our coaches are seeing a lot of impact yet.
Okay. Thank you very much I appreciate it.
Thanks Linda.
This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Dan Chard for any closing remarks.
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