Q4 2022 RadNet Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: If anyone who require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mark Stolpler, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Thank you, Mark. You may begin. Good morning and thank you for joining Dr. Howard Berger and me today to discuss Radnet's fourth quarter in full year 2020.
Speaker 2: ability to continue to grow the business by generating patient referrals and contracts with radiology practices, recruiting and retaining technologists, receiving third-party reimbursement for diagnostic imaging services, successfully integrating acquired operations.
Speaker 2: Generating revenue and adjusted EBITDA for the acquired operations as estimated, among others, are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor.
Speaker 2: Forward-looking statements are based on management's current preliminary expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties which may cause radonets actual results to differ materially from the statements contained herein.
Speaker 2: These risks and uncertainties include those risks set forth in Radnet's reports filed with the SEC from time to time, including Radnet's annual report on Form 10K for the year ended December 31st, 2022 to be filed shortly.
Speaker 2: Undo reliance should not be placed on forward-looking statements, especially guidance on future financial performance, which speaks only as of the data it is made.
Speaker 2: Radnet undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements to reflect new information of events or circumstances after the date they were made or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
Speaker 2: And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Dr. Berk.
Speaker 3: for joining us today. On today's call, Mark and I plan to provide you with highlights from our fourth quarter and full year 2022 results. Give you more insight into factors which affected this performance and discuss our future strategy. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions.
Speaker 3: I'd like to thank all of you for your interest in our company and for dedicating a portion of your day to participate in our conference call this morning.
Speaker 3: Let's begin.
Speaker 3: I'm extremely pleased with our strong performance in the fourth quarter. We grew our revenue by over 15% and our adjusted EBITDA by over 13% from last year's fourth quarter, resulting in quarterly records for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker 3: The strong performance was the result of a combination of growing procedural demand for our services and improving conditions in our labor markets.
Speaker 3: Demand for our services remains robust in virtually all of the markets as outpatient imaging continues to be shifted for more expensive hospital settings towards more cost-efficient, efficient ambulatory sites like the ones red net operates. Contributing to our record adjusted EBITOP performance.
Speaker 3: was also an improving labor market.
Speaker 3: During the fourth quarter and thus far in 2023, we have been more successful in filling open positions and retaining existing staff.
Speaker 3: Furthermore, COVID has had less of an impact on our workforce with respect to taking sick days, enabling us to staff our centers more effectively to meet heavy procedural demand.
Speaker 3: Consistent with our efforts throughout the pandemic, during the fourth quarter, we continue to focus on strengthening our balance sheet by managing our liquidity and financial leverage.
Speaker 3: At the year end, 2022, we had a cash balance of over 127 million and a net leverage ratio of under 3.5 times adjusted EBITDA. Our day sales outstanding DSOs at December 31, 2022 was under 39.0 days.
Speaker 3: close to our historic load.
Speaker 3: The improvement in Revenue Cycle Operations and Collections has materially contributed to our ability to manage the challenges presented by COVID-19 and the difficult labor market, while affording us the ability to make important investments in our future.
Speaker 3: These investments in our future have been focused in four principal areas that we believe are key elements to our near term growth.
Speaker 3: First, as we discussed last year, we have been in development of over a dozen denoval facilities, most of which will open for operations in 2023.
Speaker 3: These facilities are located in markets where we have patient backlogs, require additional capacity, or in locations where we currently lack access points to service identified patient populations.
Speaker 3: The largest of these denobo centers in the downtown area of Phoenix is now operational and has begun to service patient volume. A second area of investment and focus will be expanding our joint venture initiatives.
Speaker 3: We currently have 24 health system joint ventures representing one third or 119 centers of our 357 centers.
Speaker 3: partnerships within three years.
Speaker 3: Forward thinking and entrepreneurial health systems are increasingly seeking a long-term viable strategy for outpatient diagnostic imaging and redness represents an attractive strategic direction for these organizations.
Speaker 3: During 2022, as an example, we established a new joint venture in Frederick, Maryland, and expanded several others with our partners, including Cedar Sinai and Medical Center in Los Angeles area and dignity health common spirit in Arizona.
Speaker 3: As we look ahead to this year, we anticipate the expansion of several health system relationships and the establishment of new joint venture relationships.
Speaker 3: As payers, patients, and referring physicians continue to shift outpatient volumes from hospitals into ambulatory outpatient centers, we are receiving increasing interest in the partnership models we can offer.
Speaker 3: Third, tuck-in acquisitions will remain an important part of our growth strategy and investment.
Speaker 3: Our industry remains fragmented and consolidation will continue as pressure mounts on smaller operators.
Speaker 3: Motivated sellers are appearing as a result of the rising cost of capital, increased interest rates, reimbursement pressure from Medicare and private payers, and the necessity of scale to drive efficiencies and profitability.
Speaker 3: becoming part of radnet for the smaller operatives represents a way to create more security for their future.
Speaker 3: In 2022, we completed several tuck-in acquisitions.
Speaker 3: The largest tucking acquisitions we completed during 2022 was the fourth quarter acquisition of Montclair Radiology Associates by our new Jersey Imaging Network Joint Fenture with the RWJ Barnabas Hospital System.
Speaker 3: My Claire was an entrenched and well-respected operator in northern New Jersey with six high-performing imaging centers.
Speaker 3: Also notable during the fourth quarter of 2022 we acquired a controlling interest in heart and lung health HLH
Speaker 3: A London based teleradialogy network focused on lung cancer screening.
Speaker 3: HLH has established itself as the leading provider of lung cancer screening services to the UK National Health Service.
Speaker 3: Targeted Lung Health Check Program, which mandates the combined use of artificial intelligence and expert radiologist interpretation for widespread population health lung cancer screening. HLH utilizes software from Red Nance AI subsidiary, ADNES,
Speaker 3: and it is anticipated that the program could drive over 1 million lungs scans in England alone when the program becomes fully implemented, which is targeted by the end of 2026. Finally, we continue to invest and preserve growth opportunities in artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: In November , we initiated a pilot of a new enhanced breast cancer detection service in Delaware, called EBCD.
Speaker 3: The offering works in concert with a patient's annual screening rest screening regimen. For an additional fee, patients can elect to enroll in a suite of premium and moderately related services, including the use of Deep Health Sage DX AI.
Speaker 3: personalized lifetime risk assessment, an additional AI driven review for certain exams, and access to a dedicated 1-800-support line.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me. Upon the successful completion of the pilot, we began to implement a rollout of EBCD to our other East Coast markets during the fourth quarter, and we expect that EBCD will be available in all of the red nets mammography centers by the end of this summer.
Speaker 3: Currently, we perform about 1.4 million screening mammography exams annually.
Speaker 3: AI will continue to be an important growth driver for our future.
Speaker 3: When Mark reviews our 2023 guidance, he will note that we anticipate the Niano Artiluses from AI in 2023 as a result of both expected revenue from EBCD and growth from the sale and licensing of quantitative and agents products.
Speaker 3: We further expect that our AI segment will turn a profit in 2024.
Speaker 3: At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Mark to discuss some of the highlights of our fourth quarter and full year 2022 performance as well as discuss in detail our guidance levels for 2023. When he is finished, I will make some closing remarks.
Speaker 2: Thank you Howard.
Speaker 2: I'm now going to briefly review our fourth quarter and full year 2022 performance and attempt to highlight what I believe to be some material items.
Speaker 2: I will also give some further explanation of certain items in our financial statements as well as provide some insights into some of the metrics that drove our fourth quarter and full year 2022 performance.
Speaker 2: I will also provide 2023 financial guidance levels, which were released in this morning's financial results press release.
Speaker 2: In my discussion, I will use the term adjusted eva. which is a non- GAAP financial measure.
Speaker 2: The company defines adjusted EBITDA as earnings before interest taxes depreciation and amortization and excludes losses or gains on the disposal of equipment, other income or loss, loss on debt extinguishments and non-cash equity compensation.
Speaker 2: Adjusted EBITDA includes equity earnings in unconsolidated operations and subtract allocations of earnings to non-controlling interests in subsidiaries and is adjusted for non-cash or extraordinary and one-time events taken place during the period.
Speaker 2: A full quantitative reconciliation of adjusted EBIT to net income or loss attributable to to the red net income and shareholders is included in our earnings release.
Speaker 2: With that said, I'd now like to review our fourth quarter in full year 2022 results.
Speaker 2: For the fourth quarter of 2022, Radnet reported revenue from its Imaging Center reporting segment of $382.5 million and adjusted EBITDA of $61.6 million, which excludes revenue and losses from the AI segment. As compared with last year's fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: Including our AI segment, reporting segment, revenue was $383.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, and increased a 15.2% from $333.1 million in last year's fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Including the adjusted EBITDA losses of the AI reporting segment, adjusted EBITDA was $57.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, and $51.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2021, also excluding the provider relief funding received in the fourth quarter of 2021.
Speaker 2: For the fourth quarter of 2022, as compared with the prior year's fourth quarter, MRI volume increased 11.9%.
Speaker 2: CT volume increased 11.8% and PET CT volume increased 20.7%.
Speaker 2: Overall volume, taking into account routine imaging exams, inclusive of X-ray, ultrasound, mammography, and all other exams increased 8% over the prior years fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter of 2022, we performed 2,376,995 total procedures.
Speaker 2: The procedures were consistent with our multimodality approach whereby 75.6% of all the work we did by volume was from routine imaging. Our procedures in the fourth quarter of 2022 were as follows.
Speaker 2: 352,09 MRIs as compared with 314,682 MRIs in the fourth quarter of 2021. 213,716 CTs.
Speaker 2: as compared with 191,180 CTs in the fourth quarter of 2021.
Speaker 2: 13,359 PET CTs is compared with 11,066 PET CTs in the fourth quarter of 2021.
Speaker 2: And 1,797,911 routine imaging exams compared with 1,684,992 of all these exams in the fourth quarter of 2021.
Speaker 2: On a same center basis, including only those centers which were part of RADNet for both the fourth quarters of 2022 and 2021, MRI volume increased 7.5%.
Speaker 2: CT volume increased 6% and PET CT volume increased 16.9%.
Speaker 2: Overall, same center volume, taking into account all routine imaging exams increased 3.6% over the prior year's same quarter.
Speaker 2: For the fourth quarter of 2022, Radnet reported a net loss of $934,000 as compared with a net loss of $3.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2021.
Speaker 2: Net loss per share for the fourth quarter of 2022 was negative two cents compared with a net loss per share of negative seven cents in the fourth quarter of 2021, based upon a weighted average number of diluted shares outstanding of 57 million shares in 2022 and 50 more four million shares in 2021.
Speaker 2: There were a number of unusual or one-time items impacting the fourth quarter of 2022, including the following.
Speaker 2: $45,000 of non-cash gain from interest rate swaps, which excludes the amortization of the accumulation of the changes in fair value out of other comprehensive income.
Speaker 2: $450,000 of severance paid in connection with headcount reductions related to cost savings initiatives. $1.2 million expense related to leases of our denouvo facilities under construction that have yet to be opened for operation.
Speaker 2: 927,000-dollar acquisition transaction costs primarily related to the purchase of heart and lung imaging limited.
Speaker 2: $47,000 of valuation adjustment for contingent consideration related to acquisitions.
Speaker 2: $731,000 expenses related to debt restructuring and loss on extinguishment related to the refinancing of New Jersey Imaging Network's Credit Facilities completed in October . And $6.1 million of pre-tax losses related to our AI reporting segment.
Speaker 2: Adjusting for the above items, adjusted earnings from the Imaging Center's reporting segment was $6.4 million and diluted adjusted earnings per share was 11 cents during the fourth quarter of 2022.
Speaker 2: This compares with adjusted earnings per share of 10 cents during the fourth quarter of 2021. Also affecting net income in the fourth quarter of 2022 were certain non-cash and unusual items including the following.
Speaker 2: $4.7 million of non-cash employees stock compensation expense resulting from the vesting of certain options and restricted stock.
Speaker 2: $50,000 of non-cash amortization of deferred financing costs and loan discounts related to financing fees paid as part of our existing credit facilities.
Speaker 2: With regards to some specific income statement accounts, overall gap interest expense for the fourth quarter of 2022 was $15.4 million.
Speaker 2: This compares with gap interest expense in the fourth quarter of 2021 of $11.8 million.
Speaker 2: Cash paid for interest during the period which excludes non-cash deferred financing expense, accrued interest, and payments to and from swap counterparties was $8.9 million as compared with $7.6 million in the fourth quarter of last year. A higher interest expense and cash paid for interest in this year's fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: was a function of additional debt on our balance sheet resulting from the $150 million New Jersey Imaging Network Refinancing Transaction completed on October 7th of 2022, as well as higher interest rates since last year's fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: For full year 2022, Radnet reported revenue from its Imaging Center's reporting segment of $1,426 million and adjusted EBITDA excluding losses from AI reporting segment of $209 million.
Speaker 2: Revenue increased $112 million or 8.5% and adjusted EBITDA decreased $2.9 million or 1.4% excluding $9.1 million of provider relief funding received in 2021.
Speaker 2: Including our AI reporting segment, Revenue, a $4.4 million, Revenue was $1,430 million for full year 2022, an increase of 8.7% from $1,315 million in 2021.
Speaker 2: Including adjusted EBITDA losses from the AI segment, adjusted EBITDA for 2022 was $192.5 million as compared with $209.8 million in 2021, which includes a 1x7.7 million dollar benefit from the employee retention.
Speaker 2: increased 10.7%.
Speaker 2: CT volume increased 9.6% and PET CT volume increased 12.3%.
Speaker 2: Overall volume, taking into account all routine imaging exams increased 6.7% for the 12 months of 2022 over 2021.
Speaker 2: In 2022, we performed 9,175,804 total procedures.
Speaker 2: The procedures were consistent with our multimodality approach whereby 75.5% of all the work we did by volume was from routine imaging.
Speaker 2: Our procedures in 2022 were as follows.
Speaker 2: 1,346,303 MRIs as compared with 1,232,427 MRIs in 2021.
Speaker 2: 828,952 CTs as compared with 756,509 CTs in 2021.
Speaker 2: 50,684 pet CTs as compared with 45,124 pet CTs in 2021.
At 6,931,865 routine imaging exams as compared with 6,564,533 of all these exams in 2021.
For 2022, Radnet reported net income of $10.7 million, a decrease of approximately $14.1 million over 2021.
Per share deluded net income for the full year of 2022 was 17 cents per share compared to a deluded net income per share of 46 cents in 2021.
This is based upon a weighted average and number of diluted shares outstanding of 57.3 million shares in 2022 and 53.4 million shares in 2021
Effecting net income in 2022 were certain non-cashic advances on unusual items including the following.
$39.6 million of non-cash gain from interest rate swaps. $946,000 of severance paid in connection with headcount reductions related to cost savings initiatives.
$4.3 million expense related to leases for a denovo facilities under construction that have yet to be to open their operations. $24.9 million of pre-tax losses related to our AI reporting segment. $23.8 million of non-cash employees.
$2 million in legal settlements.
$2.5 million loss on this disposal of certain capital equipment.
$8.1 million charge in estimate related to refund liability.
And $2.7 million of non-cash amortization of deferred financing costs and loan discounts related to financing fees paid as part of our existing credit facilities. With regards to some specific income statement accounts, overall gap interest expense in 2022 was $50.8 million.
pairs with Gap Interest expense in 2021 of $48.8 million and cash paid for interest of $29 million.
With regards to our balance sheet, as of December 31, 2022, unadjusted for bond and in term loan discounts, we had $735 million of net debt, which is our total debt at par value, less or cash balance.
Note that this debt balance includes New Jersey Imaging Network's debt of $150 million for which Rodnet is neither a borrower or a norgarant or.
This compares with $633.3 million of NetGat at December 31, 2021.
As of year end 2022, we were undrawn on our $195 million revolving line of credit and had a cash balance of $127.8 million. $127.8 million.
At December 31, 2022, our accounts receivable balance was $166.4 million in increase of $31.3 million from year end 2021.
Our DSO was 38.8 days at December 31, 2022, which continues to be near our all-time low.
Throughout 2022, we had total capital expenditures, net-of-asset dispositions, and the sale of imaging center assets and joint venture interests of $109.3 million.
This amount excludes $6.3 million of capital expenditures of New Jersey Imaging Network.
All of our capital expenditures were paid for in cash and we recognized $3.9 million in proceeds from the sale of equipment, also excluding proceeds from the sale of equipment from NJN.
Capital expenditures in 2022 were higher than originally budgeted as the result of the construction of certain denoval locations that became operational towards the end of 2022 or are expected to be operational in 2023.
At this time, I'd like to review our 2023 financial guidance levels which we released this morning in our financial results press release.
For the Imaging Center segment, for revenue, we are projecting $1,525,000,000 to $1,575,000.
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We're projecting $220 million to $230 million.
For capital expenditures, we're projecting $105 million to $115 million.
For cash paid for interest, we're projecting $35 million to $40 million.
And for free cash flow generation.
We're anticipating $70 million to $80 million.
We're anticipating $70 million to $80 million. For our artificial intelligence segment,
We're anticipating revenue of between $16 million and $18 million. And we're expecting...
Adjusted EBITDA losses to be between $9 million and $11 million.
Our guidance anticipates strong results in 2023 demonstrating improvement in all financial and operating metrics.
We are projecting revenue growth from imaging center operations of between 7 and 10% and adjusted EBIT dog growth from imaging center operations of between 5 and 10%.
The anticipated growth implicit in our guidance in 2023 is projected to result from same center growth. The contribution of various NOVO centers opened in the second half of 2022 and scheduled to open throughout through 2023.
Re-embursement increases from private and capitated payers, new and expanded health system joint ventures, and the further contribution from acquisitions completed at various times during 2022.
Our Adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2023, Exclused, Anticipated, Adjusted EBITDA losses of approximately $10 million from our AI division, which is deep health, cadence, and quantitative.
We estimate that these losses will be net of approximately $16 to $18 million of the anticipated revenue from both the enhanced breast cancer detection mammography program or EBCD currently being implemented and additionally growth from Adenz and Qantas of AI operations.
We expect the AI operating segment to be profitable in 2024 and will continue to report the financial results of our AI and imaging center operating segments separately each quarter throughout 2023, providing transparency for our stakeholders to track our progress.
I'd now like to turn the call back over to Dr. Berger who will make some closing remarks.
Thank you, Mark. As we head into 2023, we are firing on all cylinders.
We have a core business that is healthy and growing.
As we discussed on today's call, procedural volumes and patient demand are strong and expanding. Payers and patients are increasingly moving procedural volume to our centers from hospital-based imaging operations that charge prices that are unsustainable in a healthcare system attempting to manage costs.
While the shift is taking place, the overall industry continues to grow, driven in part by advances in technology, which drive more indications for diagnostic imaging procedures.
Additionally, the populations we serve are aging and growing and continue to seek non-invasive, preventative and cost-effective medicine. All these factors should continue to benefit our core business.
As such, I am happy to report that the record volumes we experienced in the fourth quarter of 2022 have continued into the January and February months of 2023.
We believe we have the best and most diverse company in the industry, positioning us for long-term success and growth in a dynamic marketplace. In a period where the cost of capital has risen significantly.
We remain modestly leveraged and have more liquidity and capital resources as compared with virtually all of our other scale operators in our industry.
This places us in the best position to pursue growth opportunities.
both organic and energetic in a time where many others do not have the financial capacity or flexibility. This financial capability will allow us to continue to invest aggressively for long-term success of our business.
These investments include executing a denobl strategy, completing strategic acquisitions to strengthen our regional networks, pursuing an industry-leading strategy and artificial intelligence, particularly around population health cancer screening, establishing a tele-radiology capability, owning our own information technology platform, and partnering with some of the largest and most-
We look forward to updating our stakeholders throughout the rest of 2023 on our progress.
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One moment please, will we poll for questions? Our first question comes from the line of Brian . Tane Quillet with Jeffries. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Good morning, guys. Congrats. That's all the quarters all year. I guess Mark, I'll start with guidance and your commentary and volumes. Do you think this is the payer efforts now starting to show up in actual numbers? Get a pair of efforts to move?
Volume away from the hospital. Just try to figure out what's driving the strength in in same store And then maybe kind of related to that. I know that there's some weather issues that you guys have faced in California early in the quarter and also some and in the east coast so I know the common is that probably has been strong so
If not for weather, would you have even seen stronger performance, January and February ? We're the first to address the first part of your question, Brian . Good morning, by the way. We certainly are benefiting, and I think the entire outpatient market is benefiting or the free standing outpatient market. I should say the non-hospital-based.
is definitely benefiting from a shift in procedural volumes out of the hospital in favor of, you know, lower cost, more efficient ambulatory centers like the ones we operate. And although, you know, this trend has, you know, been a multi-year trend that I'd say has accelerated over the last five years, it's happening slowly. And I still think that we're in the early...
You know, we've seen some of the larger payers make public announcements about their intentions to move this business over time into the outpatient centers. You know, companies like Anthem, United and Etna have all been doing this and they're doing it through.
incentive for the patient. And then they're also most, if not all payers today, have some form of preauthorization process, which as part of that process tries to direct the patient to the lower cost settings or a narrower network.
of the ambulatory setting. So we think we're definitely benefiting from that and I suspect, you know, other outpatient players should be benefiting from that as well. But I think, you know, it's happening slowly that the payers have to, you know, carefully balance.
The fact that they certainly need the hospitals in their networks for more of the acute care services. And so they have to play that balancing game of trying to lower costs, but also make sure that they keep the hospitals in their networks. So, you know, in our guidance, to answer your second question.
we shouldn't be able to achieve that baseline.
Good morning, Brian . Good morning, Howard. I think we should call this a tale of...
two coasts. Who would have ever thought that we'd be talking about weather impacts on the West Coast during the first quarter as opposed to the weather impacts we normally see on the East Coast. And therein lies the story because January was extraordinarily kind.
to RADnet and for that matter all other healthcare providers and our volumes which normally get impacted by both the beginning of the year, New Year's Eve hangover literally and figuratively, as well as the role of action to...
weather impacts, neither of which occurred this year. So we came into January both guns blazing and had an extraordinary high volume unanticipated in the East Coast.
On the other hand, while there have been weather storms here in California, other than perhaps sporadic power outage, we have not seen any significant impact in our volumes, part of that is a reflection of the very high...
demand and backlogs that we have and when patients are unable or cancel we do have a very robust IT infrastructure that allows us to rapidly call other people who have asked to be seen more expeditiously.
The overall tone both for January and now extending into February is already beyond our initial expectations. And I think just to perhaps amplify a little bit more on Mark's results. While I, Mark's comments, excuse me.
hopefully his results. Well in a good quarter you can you can attribute the results to me. Yeah, okay, but in the I believe that part of our success in attracting more volume is not just the efforts on the part of the payors.
But really the efforts on the part of our hospital partners who recognize that they need to be part of the movement to the more cost effective centers that RADNET has with them in joint ventures. And so as we expand those partnerships and as they bring additional opportunities to us.
Our volumes are reflective of their own internal policies to begin to be more patient and payor friendly and move some of those volumes outside of the hospital. So I think if nothing else, the success of the fourth quarter and
carrying over here into the first quarter is a reflection of the strategy that RADnet began more aggressively in the last three years that's now paying dividends, and I think it's a compliment.
that not only are the hospitals looking to find these soft landings, but they're looking to RADNET to do that, given, I think, the very strong platform that we have, not just in operating imaging centers, but...
Artificial intelligence resonating with our hospital partners, radiology, informatics with our IT platform is one that is an exceedingly strong tool. And the overall capabilities of RADnet to develop, excuse me, to deliver...
high quality outpatient imaging centers in a lower cost environment has certainly taken root. So I think all of those factors really come together at a time where we've just laid the right bricks for the foundation here to have an extremely successful 2023.
That's awesome. And then I guess my second question is I think about AI. It looks very promising, you know, losses are shrinking and you'll turn to profitability by next year. But as I think about how AI is operationalizing into the Radman facilities, maybe if you can share with us what you're seeing in terms of...
the reduction in reading costs or the reduction in the use of external radiologists. I mean just any context that you could share with us and also the opportunity for incremental I guess savings or margin expansion as you roll out AI fully across the rat net facilities.
Good question. We have yet to really realize, I think, some of the artificial intelligence benefits that we anticipate. Partially, it's because radiologists, and not surprisingly, are not...
comfortable, completely adopting the artificial intelligence and relying on it as heavily as they can, given that it's a rather dramatic change in their workflow and confidence level. So the ability for us to benefit from those efficiencies
both at the level of the radiologist and patient throughput, is something I think that will take longer than we perhaps originally anticipated. But I think that's a positive sign because once the radiologist...
get comfortable and adopt these. More importantly, they become not only more dependent, but in a number of cases they will tell you that it has improved their clinical skills more than any other single element in their clinical skills.
history of practice and education. So our particular approach though to artificial intelligence is really for cancer screening. And it's not necessarily meant to be as much of the efficiency tool, but rather to broaden...
That.
detect cancer earlier and more accurately with the use of artificial intelligence. And as these get further adopted inside imaging centers and health systems, and as these offerings become more available, like our...
enhanced breast cancer detection program to our patients. I believe that there will be an expansion of our volumes to reflect the desire for all stakeholders in healthcare to diagnose cancer earlier, which can only lead to better outcomes both
from a healthcare standpoint of our patients as well as cost to the system. So I think this is going to be an unfolding story over the next.
a couple of years in particular, I think we're getting a lot of recognition for this, for these tools. And it's one of the few things in artificial intelligence that can ultimately be for radiology providers and health systems an opportunity for revenue generation as opposed to what's funneled out here all the time.
most of the other AI tools which are primarily radiology diagnostic aids and come at a cost but not necessarily improve revenue generation. So we believe we've made the right investment in these three companies not only because of their capabilities but the
but because of what they represent for the bigger healthcare opportunity to really identify cancer earlier and provide better outcomes. And I believe we now, after a couple years of experience in this market, have identified better ways to...
commercialize and monetize this while at the same time providing extraordinarily high benefit to all of our patients. So I think we'll...
be talking more and more about this each quarter not only as the adoption of this these tools become more available, but also to better expand the capabilities that we have internally to make these tools that much more attractive to everybody in the healthcare system.
I'm anxious to be able to talk more about this. We will also be looking at ways of expanding the delivery and the use of these tools outside of the RAD-NET centers. But before we can get there, we want to make certain that we...
fine-tune these capabilities inside RADNET on its enormously large platform.
to both better implement and design the best way to roll this out on a commercial basis. So I think these are things that we will be talking about more throughout the year and which I'm particularly excited to be able to bring to you as these developments unfold.
Awesome. Thank you guys. Thanks Brian . Thanks Brian .
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Ransom with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good afternoon. I was wondering your guidance on AI getting to break even in 24. So it's been just a really great deal of developing with that.
What kind of revenue assumptions are we thinking there and then where is that coming from? Thanks. That primarily is going to be driven by the rollout after our successful pilot.
on our earlier, or excuse me, enhanced breast cancer detection system. We're now almost fully rolled out on the East Coast for this. The last of our regions will go live here in March, and the West Coast will...Comp ter him the seem h varieties
roll up, begin rolling out sometime in the third quarter. And the revenue that we expect from that alone is somewhere between 11 and 13 million dollars in 2023 and then growing substantially more than that in 2024 as more and more of the
markets are
fully implemented over a longer period of time. So while we expect some growth in our ADAMS and Qantib units, which do lung screening and prostate screening with AI, we are working on ways to also commercialize and monetize those, but...
They are probably a little bit lagging behind since our primary efforts in this area were really in breast cancer given the enormous number of women who get breast cancer, one out of every eight, and where the amount of mammography done will
always dwarf almost any other application of artificial intelligence. So, hopefully that gives you a little bit more perspective there, John . Yeah, so John , in our guidance we're assuming $16 to $18 million of total revenue in 2023. Although we're not giving multi-year guidance, if I had to...
to estimate today what that revenue might look like in 2024 in order for us to break even or have profitability, it'd probably be in the 25 to 30 million dollar range based upon where the expenses are in quantimatants and in deep health. So that showed a lot of growth and that 25 to 30 million dollars would likely make us the biggest AI radiology company that we're aware of.
So I have to say you guys were AI before it was cool. So who knew a couple old guys from Los Angeles would be that far ahead of the curve. That's all for me. Hey, hey, we're not that old. Come on. Speak for yourself. I'm old. Thank you.
I like to think that we're not ahead of the curve, we're making the curve. I think what we're doing is very unique inside healthcare and in particular radiology. I'm extraordinarily proud of the companies that we have acquired here.
will help RADnet continue to raise its visibility and not just be a name for radiologists, but be a strong player in the healthcare industry that I think I'll be sharing more of that story with you later this year. Thank you. Thanks, Jen.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mitra Ramgopal with Sdodi. Please proceed with your question. Yes, hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple from me. First, just as it relates to the NOVA expansion, how quickly you expect locations to at least break even and even become profitable? Well...
If we were building a de novo center, Mitra, it probably could take a year to get to profitability here. The difference with our centers is that by and large, they're all in markets where we already have demand and where we can anticipate filling capacity.
almost literally the day that we're open. So in our model for these, sometimes in the first quarter or certainly by the second quarter after they're operational, they become EBITDA positive generators. But again, I think that's an unusual circumstance.
given that we build these centers because we need them, not just because we think that there's future opportunities. So these are all responsive to the growing demand that we have in our markets and where we're limited by the physical capabilities of our centers to ramp up.
Okay, no, that's great. And then just switching to the labor front. Obviously, that was a great question. That was a great question.
headwind for you in 22, both from cost side and also being able to staff your operations fully. How comfortable are you in terms of 23 and what you're seeing out there given the expansion, more locations you're adding, and your ability to fill open positions and be able to have adequate staffing without necessarily incurring significantly higher costs.
Yeah, that's a great question.
We've been very fortunate that the labor markets in our centers and in the regions that we operate appear to have loosened up, if you will, a little bit. And while we still have a number of open positions, we've made some good impact on that. It's hard to...
really put in perspective how significant the labor market challenges were in all of 2022, including the fourth quarter, while our results were...
extraordinarily good in 20 in the fourth quarter, they would have been better if we didn't have some of those challenges that while we were turning the corner, we're still impacting the fourth quarter. I'll give you an example. In New York and California.
The state has mandated that any individual who believes they have contracted COVID can isolate or report in sick and the company is required to continue to pay their sick.
without them using up any sick pay or PTO. That's a double impact for us because...
without them using up any sick pay or PTO. That's a double impact for us because not only does it...
crossed us double to find that
capability for coverage, but because then we have to pay more overtime, we are getting hit with both of those.
Fortunately, in the first quarter of last year, excuse me, the fourth quarter, I guess it was, of the year before, we had close to 8% of our workforce out at one time with COVID.
in the fourth quarter or currently I should say it's down to less than 1%. So that has been a huge benefit for us. So it's not just hiring more people but it's getting higher.
our current workforce back into normal workday, which allows us to expand our hours of operation. In addition, we've been using temp agencies and Wilkins, Tenems businesses.
that the price for these staffing has doubled or tripled from a year ago. And fortunately, we've been successful in hiring more radiologists and in other technical staff, so we've been able to reduce that. Built into our 20...
23 budget is still the use of temp agencies. But as we're more and more successful, hopefully that cost will continue to go down and improve our results. But I believe this, the issues that we're faced with, are faced with.
are faced by virtually every healthcare provider out there, as well as other segments of our economy. But I believe some of the changes may be also as a result of the economic factors that are causing layoffs in almost every other industry, except for healthcare. So I believe that that trend...
is not only sustainable, but will continue to improve as people seek alternatives or people have fewer alternatives than they might have had before and where I think, you know, pressure on wages will start coming down. Okay, that was very helpful. Thanks again for taking the questions. That's it for me.
Thanks, Petra. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments. Okay. Again, I would like to take the opportunity to thank all of our shareholders for their continued support and the employees and management of RADNET for their dedication and hard work.
Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.