Q4 2022 Q2 Holdings Inc Earnings Call
Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Lisa and I will be your conference operator today at this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Q2 holdings fourth quarter and full year 2022 financial results Conference call.
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Thank you I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Josh Yankovich investor relation.
Sir Please go ahead.
Thank you operator, good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2022 conference call with me on the call today are Matt Flake, our CEO , David <unk>, our CFO and Jonathan Pryce, our executive Vice President of emerging businesses corporate and business development.
This call contains forward looking statements that are subject to significant risks and uncertainties, including with respect to our expectations for the future operating and financial performance of Q2 holdings.
Actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward looking statements and we can give no assurance that such expectations or any of our forward looking statements will prove to be correct.
Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in these forward looking statements are included in our periodic reports filed with the SEC copies of which may be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, including our annual report on Form 10-K filed today and subsequent filings and the press release distributed this afternoon regarding the financial results, we will discuss today.
Forward looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions only as of the date discussed investors should not assume that these statements will remain operative at a later time and we undertake no obligation to update any such forward looking statements discussed in this call.
Also unless otherwise stated all financial measures discussed on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis and a discussion of why we use non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is included in our press release, which may be found on the Investor Relations section of our website and in our form 8-K filed with the SEC. This afternoon. We've also publish additional materials.
Related to today's results on our Investor Relations website.
Let me now turn the call over to Matt.
Thanks, Josh I'll start today's call by sharing our fourth quarter and full year results and highlights from across the business I will then hand, the call over to Jonathan to give you more insights into the emerging businesses organization. He oversees David will then discuss our financial results in more detail as well as guidance for the first quarter and full year before I conclude with a look ahead to 2023.
In the fourth quarter, we generated non-GAAP revenue of $146 7 million up.
Up 11% year over year and up 1% sequentially, we generated adjusted EBITDA.
$8 $4 million, representing 6% of non-GAAP revenue as mentioned in our press release, we had a mutual termination of a contract in the quarter with an international alternative finance customer impacting revenue by $3 1 million and adjusted EBITDA by $3 9 million.
David will further discuss the impact this had on our financial results, but I want to emphasize that this outcome will positively contribute to margin expansion in 2023 outside of this impact I'm pleased with the strong financial results from the quarter.
With that let me start by looking back at 2022.
Rising interest rates high inflation and other global influence has created a complex operating environment that impacted communities, our customers and Q2.
Even in the face of an uncertain economy, we executed well across the company and our performance demonstrates the resiliency of our business model and why we believe we are positioned to deliver attractive growth with meaningful profitability expansion going forward.
First we have a mature differentiated product portfolio that allows us to capture technology spend on both the deposit and lending sides of our financial institutions balance sheet.
We believe this gives us a substantial addressable market and positions us to weather cyclical changes in the banking industry.
Like in the current rising rate environment, where financial institutions are prioritizing deposit growth and managing fluctuations in loan demand.
The bulk of our revenue comes from our digital banking contracts, which are largely subscription based higher margin and have an average length of over five years. So in spite of recent headwinds within transactional revenue and slowing discretionary spend from our from some of our customers. The vast majority of our revenue is resilient higher margin and predictable and the <unk>.
And for our solutions remains strong for the full year, we added 14 tier one in five enterprise customers across the portfolio exiting the year with more than 4800 customers and over 40% of the top 100 largest U S banks and credit unions are utilizing at least one of our solutions.
And when you look at our bookings performance in the past two quarters alone it's clear to us that the financial institutions are continuing to prioritize digital transformation. A key reason, we believe our subscription revenue growth will accelerate in 2023.
And finally, we've been able to quickly adapt to the changing economic environment and position ourselves to drive increased profitability.
In the third quarter of 2022, we began to moderate our hiring more effectively leverage our global workforce and rationalize certain business units all to drive focus on our core strengths and highest return investment opportunities in doing so we delivered record free cash flow in the fourth quarter and we believe we can deliver meaningful improvements to adjusted EBITDA and cash.
Cash flow in 2023 and beyond.
Before I dive into the fourth quarter in more depth I want to share a few key highlights from the full year.
First we supported customers to record levels of digital engagement in 2022 with more than $4 6 billion log ins to our digital banking platform and our relationship pricing solutions were utilized to manage over a trillion dollars in loans and $500 billion in deposits.
We also provided record system availability and security for our customers and continued to deliver meaningful product innovation throughout the year with various aspects of our portfolio recognized as best in class by the likes of IDC chain of Arca and javelin.
On the emerging business aside we gained substantial traction with customers and partners for Q2 innovation studio Our award winning software development kit and partner ecosystem.
Sequentially. It is now consistently cited as a key driver and differentiator in both net new and expansion opportunities.
And the helix embedded finance team successfully navigated through a complex fintech backdrop, signing customers in new verticals, securing key renewals with some of our largest customers and supporting the launch of significant client programs.
And finally as I alluded to a moment ago, we had solid sales execution throughout the year across our product portfolio and our bookings performance improved with every quarter, culminating in a record setting fourth quarter that I'll dive into now.
Our sales performance was strong in Q4, both in terms of volume and breadth. We added the highest number of new customers in the quarter since before the pandemic and in terms of booking value. It was the largest sales quarter in company history.
On the digital banking side, specifically, we had a number of key wins, including a net new tier one and the addition of several tier two and three customers I was particularly pleased with our performance in the tier two space, which has historically been the sweet spot of the business in fact, our largest booking from the quarter came from a tier two bank the contracted for our <unk>.
In digital banking suite to serve its entire customer base, including retail and commercial I highlight this deal because the ability to serve both retail and commercial customers from a single platform continues to create a competitive differentiation for us.
Because of the breadth of products included this deal more closely resembles the bookings impact of a tier one customer and as an example of how we've been able to grow the average sales price of our digital banking deals by over 80% within the last five years.
Additionally, nearly all of our digital banking deals from the quarter included or were driven by our commercial functionality commercial banking inherently presents complex needs that required dynamic solutions and our years of investments in our modern commercial offerings have positioned us ahead of the curve, especially in this macro environment where financial institutions.
<unk> are looking to grow the deposit base drive fee based income and serve clients more cost effectively through their commercial portfolios.
Shifting to the lending side, we signed several deals across loan origination on relationship pricing, including two tier one and two enterprise clients as usual. These deals came from a mix of net new cross sell and expansion wins, although loan origination volumes are slowing our relationship pricing tool support several critical use cases.
For commercial bankers beyond just pricing new loans today.
Today, our clients use our relationship pricing products to reprice and optimize their existing loan portfolios and even to price their treasury and deposit services.
So even in a rising rate environment, where lending volumes may be pressured and financial institutions are prioritizing growth in other areas such as deposits. We believe we're well positioned to generate continued demand based on our differentiated solution set.
Our emerging businesses also had a solid quarter rounding out a strong year. We are excited about the investments we've made to bridge valuable partnerships between financial institutions and the technology ecosystem surrounding them and we're pleased to see this side of the business continued to scale. So now I'll hand, the call over to Jonathan to talk through these highlights in more detail.
Thanks, Matt I'm extremely proud of the impact our emerging business has had in the fourth quarter and in 2022 overall I'll start with Q2 innovation studio highlights before shifting to helix, our embedded finance business.
At a high level Q2 innovation studio is our award winning software development kits and comprehensive partner ecosystem that allows customers and third parties to easily develop and integrate within our digital banking platform.
In doing so it helps our customers deliver new innovation quickly drive deeper engagement and differentiation and add new fee generating products to their digital offerings two.
<unk> 2022 was the first full year end market for Q2 innovation studio and its early traction leads us to believe that it will be a key contributor to our growth and improve profitability going forward.
Q2 innovation studio has proven to be a considerable differentiator for our digital banking platform, playing a vital role in our land and expand strategy.
In 2022, it was cited as a key driver of over 80% of our net new digital banking wins.
We also saw substantial adoption with existing customers in the fourth quarter alone. We had over 20 existing financial institution customers adopt Q2 innovation studio and we exited the year with over two thirds of our digital banking customer base leveraging it.
Second we believe Q2 innovation studio helps drive engagement and stickiness with our customers.
Our large partner ecosystem enables financial institutions to add a vast array of unique digital solutions to their platform that embeds them more deeply into the financial journeys of their consumer and business customers.
The more solutions customers add the more integral our digital banking platform becomes for them and their account holders.
And as hundreds of our customers and there are millions of end users increasingly leverage this partner ecosystem. We believe Q2 innovation studio has the long term potential to positively impact our overall churn rate.
And finally by opening up our platform to customers development partners and third party technology providers Q2 innovation studio creates an ecosystem in which all participants can drive meaningful product innovation across our digital banking platform as.
As of the end of 2022, we have more than 1000 external developers coding to Q2's digital banking platform more developers than our entire engineering organization.
During the fourth quarter, we added another 12 technology partners, meaning we now offer more than 100 pre integrated solutions through Q2 innovation studio and we're starting to see much deeper utilization since its launch customer side more than 400 partner applications from Q2 innovation studio for their digital banking environments.
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And as our customers continue to adopt and utilize these new solutions, we participate in a usage driven revenue share, which we expect to drive higher margin revenue for the business over the long term.
We built a strong foundation in 2022, we now have a robust best in class partner ecosystem, a vast majority of our digital banking customers have Q2 innovation studio in place and they are increasingly deploying these third party technology applications to their account holders.
And as we've increased our focus on profitability. This new model is evolving how we innovate, giving us a powerful way to deliver product innovation cost effectively through the digital banking platform. So in 2023, we expect to see more of a Q2 innovation studios long term potential begin to materialize for our business.
Now I'll move over to helix, our embedded finance business that enables fintech and brands to offer banking products to their customers directly.
We began 2022 by launching the helix brand in February and over the course of the year. The launch proved successful in driving awareness of the platform establishing product differentiation in the market and meaningfully growing our pipeline.
But 2022 wasn't without its complexity, the changing economy and shifting market expectations drove many fintech and brands to rapidly re prioritize their strategies away from growth and towards driving profitability, which in turn created uncertainty in the demand environment in.
In spite of a challenging backdrop, we executed well across the business and there are several key aspects of our model that we believe position us for success in this new paradigm.
First our go to market strategy is focused on large established companies and not just in tax but major brands in verticals like insurance wealth management and retail.
As a result, our customer and revenue base are primarily comprised of larger organizations that have been committed to their embedded finance strategies and a relatively more insulated from cyclical changes in market conditions.
And throughout the year, we secured a strategic long term renewals with our largest customers one of the wins in the fourth quarter was with an existing <unk> client that was acquired by a much larger brand and after owning the business for a few months the acquiring company decided that helix was the right embedded finance provider to support the strategic line of business through.
A new phase of growth and they signed a multiyear renewal.
Securing long term renewals is critical for a few reasons, especially in this climate. It demonstrates the clients' commitment to their helix powered programs in spite of economic conditions and it gives us the opportunity to continue growing with them.
Second we have a demonstrated track record of helping our customers drive both revenue and profitability and then 2022 in response to shifting market dynamics I mentioned previously we quickly launched new functionality designed to help customers drive more profitable and sustainable programs, including personalized admin capabilities.
Take collaboration between our clients and their partner banks.
Granular card controls that drive user engagement and enhanced fraud prevention to curb fraud losses.
And finally, we believe our ability to support large client programs at scale will remain critical to the Fintech and brands we target.
Through several significant client launches with some of the largest fintech and brands in the United States. We now support over 13 million end users on the helix platform.
In closing 2022 was a year, where we've renewed multiyear agreements with key helix clients our product differentiation in the market became clearer and the pipeline was strengthened and while market challenges remain I believe <unk> is well positioned to navigate this environment successfully in 2023.
Thank you and with that I'll hand, the call over to David for a detailed look at our financial results.
Thanks, Jonathan.
Before I begin more detailed commentary on our financial results. Let me first provide some clarification and quantification around the impact observed in the quarter from the contract termination, Matt previously mentioned.
The results of this termination, where a reduction of $3 $1 million in revenue related to the contract asset and outstanding receivables balance. In addition to approximately $700000 of cost of sales expenses and $160000 of operating expenses from previously deferred commissions.
As a result, the net impact is a reduction to adjusted EBITDA of approximately $3 9 million for the quarter.
I will discuss our financial results and where appropriate note the impact to our results from this termination. We're also factoring in the positive impact. This development will have on our margins and our 2023 outlook. Given this engagement was dilutive to our overall margin profile.
Focusing our efforts and resources on margin accretive growth opportunities as an important aspect of our outlook as we look to optimize for profitable growth going forward.
Moving to our results. We are encouraged by the continued market demand for our solutions, our booking success and the efficiencies, we're driving which are positioning us to expand margins and generate more cash flow.
Total non-GAAP revenue for the fourth quarter was $146 $7 million.
An increase of 11% year over year and up 1% sequentially.
Total non-GAAP revenue for the full year was $566 3 million up 13% from the prior year.
The year over year and sequential increases for the quarter were primarily driven by an increase in subscription revenue associated with the deployment of new customers and continued organic growth from existing customers.
As I previously mentioned the impact to revenue of the contract termination was $3 $1 million.
Our subscription revenue for the year was 73% of our total revenue representing year over year growth of 14%.
Based on the strength, we've seen in our subscription based bookings, we expect our subscription revenue growth will accelerate for full year of 2023.
For the fourth quarter services revenue was in line with our expectations entering the quarter as.
As we discussed previously we're continuing to monitor professional services engagements associated with projects that are more discretionary in nature.
Some of which had been and could continue to be suppressed in the current macroeconomic environment.
Transactional revenue represented 11% of total revenue for the quarter down from the prior year period of 13% and consistent with the previous quarter.
For the full year of 2022 transactional revenue represented 12% of total revenue, which is down from the prior year at 14%.
Due in part to a decline in revenue generated from our bill pay products.
Based on the trends, we're observing in our transactional business, our full year 2023 outlook anticipates the growth rate of our overall transactional revenue stream to be similar to what we observed in 2022.
We added approximately 200000 users during the quarter ending the year with over $21 1 million registered users an increase of nearly 2 million users or 10% year over year.
The sequential increase was largely driven by organic user growth.
The year over year increase was attributable to organic user growth.
Throughout the year and new customer go lives largely concentrated in the second half of the year.
Looking into 2023, we anticipate an increasing mix of the number of customer go lives on our commercial banking platform as a result of the strong bookings in the second half of 2022.
As we discussed in the past commercial go lives carry a lower number of users compared to our retail go lives, but also drive a higher revenue per user.
Annualized recurring revenue or <unk> grew to $655 2 million.
Up 14% year over year from.
From $574 2 million at the end of 2021.
Our AOR growth for the year was driven largely by new and cross sale subscription based bookings, partially offset by a decline in transactional revenue.
In addition, we observed AOR growth, resulting from increasing subscription run rates associated with existing customers.
<unk> was also up 3% sequentially from the third quarter, primarily due to booking strength observed in the fourth quarter, our ending backlog of approximately $1 5 billion increased by $104 million sequentially or 7% and equated to a 6% increase.
Year over year.
The sequential increase was driven by our strongest bookings quarter of the year.
Both net new and renewals.
The year over year increase in backlog was primarily attributable to net new bookings.
As a reminder, the biggest driver of changes in backlog are net new bookings and renewals.
Renewals are subject to seasonality as well as the number of opportunities in target.
As a result, while it's possible we could see a sequential decline in backlog in any given quarter due to less renewal opportunities being available. We believe we will deliver year over year backlog growth for the full year of 2023.
Our trailing 12 months net revenue retention rate for 2022 was 110% down from 119% in 2021.
Our net revenue retention rate is calculated by taking the total revenue growth in the calendar year compared to the prior year for any customers that were implemented on any of our solutions in that prior year.
The most significant drivers of change in our net revenue retention rate each year has been the number of new customers in the prior year and the timing of implementations of those new customers.
As we previously discussed given the reduced number of go lives. We had take place in 2021, particularly in the back half of the year, we anticipated that our rates would come down in late 2022.
Our revenue churn for 2022 was six 3% up from five 4% in 2021, the increase in revenue churn was concentrated within our non financial institution customers, including the contract termination during the quarter, which added roughly 50 basis points to our total.
Revenue churn.
This was partially offset by a reduction in the year over year churn associated with our digital banking customers.
Gross margins were 51, 5% for the fourth quarter and 51, 6% for the full year.
The contract termination negatively impacted gross margins by approximately 150 basis points for the fourth quarter and 40 basis points for the full year.
This impact was partially offset by a reduced mix of lower margin pass through revenue and the benefits from continued productivity improvements in areas of expense reduction.
Total operating expenses for the fourth quarter were $72 7 million.
Or 49, 5% of revenue compared to $61 5 million or 46, 5% of revenue in the fourth quarter of 2021, and $69 8 million or 48, 2% of revenue in the third quarter of 2022.
The fourth quarter year over year increase in operating expenses as a percent of revenue was driven primarily by the onboarding of additional employees concentrated within R&D as well as sales and marketing during the first half of the year.
In addition, we saw an increase in marketing events and travel compared to the prior year period as in person events became more prevalent coming off of Covid restrictions in the prior year.
The increase in operating expenses as a percent of revenue from the previous quarter was partially driven by employee expenses associated with the acquisition of sensible, which took place on October three.
We ended the year with 2249 employees up from 2028 at the end of 2021 with the vast majority of hiring taking place in the first half of the year.
As a result of our proactive cost measures we observed a net reduction in head count for the final five months of the year.
Total adjusted EBITDA was $8 $4 million for the fourth quarter and $36 9 million for the full year.
The contract termination negatively impacted adjusted EBITDA by $3 9 million for the fourth quarter and full year 2022.
The year over year and sequential change in adjusted EBITDA saw meaningful benefit from the effective utilization of our global workforce reduced hiring activity and lower contractor expenses as well as reduced facilities expenses.
We ended the year with cash cash equivalents and investments of $433 4 million up from $395 7 million at the end of the third quarter.
Our capex spend as a percentage of revenue for the full year was approximately 2%.
A reduction from the 4% observed in the prior year as we had lower infrastructure and facilities expenses.
We generated cash flow from operations in the fourth quarter of $43 $9 million the strength in operating cash flow was primarily attributable to good working capital management and favorable seasonality. We also generated free cash flow of $38 $4 million during the quarter.
For the full year, we generated cash flow from operations of $36 6 million and free cash flow for the full year of $6 $5 million.
We believe this record performance and continued focus on higher profitability will translate into continued improvement in our cash flow conversion for the full year of 2023.
Let me wrap up by sharing our first quarter and full year guidance.
We forecast first quarter non-GAAP revenue in the range of $149 million to $152 million.
Full year non-GAAP revenue in the range of $632 million to $640 million, representing year over year growth of 12% to 13%.
With the strength in subscription based bookings in 2022, we anticipate our revenue for the full year of 2023 will have an increased mix of this higher margin revenue stream.
We forecast first quarter, adjusted EBITDA of $10 million to $12 5 million and full year 2023, adjusted EBITDA of $62 million to $66 million.
Representing approximately 10% of non-GAAP revenue for the year looking ahead I believe we are well positioned to deliver profitable growth towards our goal of being a rule 30 company in late 2024.
Which we define as a combination of total non-GAAP revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA margin in.
In summary for the fourth quarter, we delivered solid revenue results and generated record operating and free cash flow for the full year.
Resulting in a strong balance sheet entering 2023, and we feel confident in our ability to show meaningful adjusted EBITDA expansion in the years to come.
With that I'll turn the call back over to Matt for his closing remarks.
Thanks, David and closing we ended the year with our best bookings quarter in company history, and entered 2023 with a robust pipeline, suggesting that financial institutions continued to prioritize technology spend and our differentiated product portfolio is resonating with the market. We are hyper focused on delivering the best customer experience and we believe the.
The investments we've made in prior years have positioned us favorably to continue delivering best in class innovation for our customers and capitalize on the substantial market opportunity ahead of US we plan to continue managing the business with an increased emphasis on improving profitability, while maintaining a strong top line growth profile with a goal to become a rule.
30 company in late 2024, thank you and with that I'll turn it over to the operator for questions.
Thank you, Sir ladies and gentlemen, it is star one if you have a question today, we will take our first question from Andrew Schmidt.
Yes.
Hey, Matt David Jonathan Thanks for taking my questions.
Good evening I wanted to start off with the 2023 revenue outlook.
If you can help us bridge the B.
Outlook versus last quarter, just curious if theres any differences.
Particularly in subscription revenues versus transactional and other offices reconcile and bridge as a starting point that would be helpful. Thank you.
Hey, Andrew Good evening, Yes, happy to do that there's a few key key items that have changed over the course of the last three months since we since we talked and provided that high level outlook for 2023, the first of which is.
That contract termination that we discussed there's over $4 million impact to 2023, So you have to.
Take that into account as you look at what the outlook was previously relative to the guidance that we provided.
So take into accounts all of the information that we've acquired over the course of the last three months in regards to the discretionary spending environment for services.
The transactional business, which incorporates the helix business as well and we're certainly monitoring that space.
And that space has changed over the course of the last three months and we're incorporating all that we know today into that guidance.
M&A environment is the final one that I'd referenced we had talked about the fact that there is an elongated cycle for approvals and what we've seen over the course of the last few months as it has really slowed down dramatically in terms of the number of transactions. In fact January alone. There was only six transactions six M&A transactions for financial institutions, which is the lowest <unk>.
<unk> since 2009, so that reduction in activity is certainly something that is going to impact and has been factored into our guidance for 2023.
And the one thing that's really important and I tried to emphasize this on the call is that we absolutely feel good about our subscription revenue heading into 2023, we think that growth rate is going to accelerate in 2023 and the growth rate for subscription is roughly going to be about <unk> that of services and transactional combined.
Got it that's super helpful. Thank you David.
I appreciate the comments on sort of rule of 30, maybe you could just talk a little bit about obviously there is various ways to get there just it's a little ways out, but just maybe some preliminary thoughts on how you get there and then obviously.
A lot has changed over the past.
A few years, but historically investors thought of.
Any sort of rule for the interest.
Interest rate the other dynamics have changed but is that still the right thought process longer term.
When we think about just the long term algo for the company or.
Is it adjusted just based on what we see in the last four years. Thanks, a lot guys.
Thanks, Andrew Yes, absolutely that is still a.
Long term objective of ours and all we were doing was laying out there one step towards that direction. In this rule of 30 towards the back end or towards the end of 2024.
And we certainly feel like we have the ability through the combination of the profitability objectives that we've set out since actually in August that are manifesting themselves in the P&L in 2022 and into 2023.
<unk> continued to see acceleration in EBITDA, which you can tell from our guidance and we're optimizing that combination of growth and EBITDA profile going forward to wear.
This rule of 40 that we referenced is just a step in the direction of getting to rule of 40, which we ultimately believe we'll be at.
Awesome. Thank you very much Matt I appreciate the comments.
Thank you.
Next we'll take a question from Joe Brew link Baird.
Hi, Greg Hi.
Everyone.
I guess I'll start just looking at kind of the sequencing.
Of EBIT.
About FY2023.
I think <unk>, you're looking at a pretty nice step up in incremental margin.
There are certain things that <unk>.
Maybe.
<unk> two or is this really hasnt.
Any kind of knowledge of this optimized cost structure exiting in the second half of the year and so as you start to run rate some of those improvements and savings. It drives you to the higher ups step up in the second half.
Yeah. Thanks, Joe I mean, one of the things we really tried to articulate was that we've been very proactive in terms of the measures. We've taken from a cost standpoint. We started this in the late late summer early fall, we're seeing the benefits of it now in terms of the P&L, it's coming from both Cogs as well as Opex there is a mixed component.
Turning to the business as well talked about subscription revenue accelerating into next year.
As you know subscription revenue also has the highest margin profile of any of the revenue streams that we have we're.
We're doing a lot of work in terms of optimizing our workforce in terms of making sure that as we add resources and as we backfill resources.
We're trying to find ways to be more efficient in terms of how we deliver and utilized global resources more effectively we've proven we can do that over the last couple of quarters, we're going to carry that into 2023, and there were reducing our facilities footprint, which is also giving us.
Some cost favorability as we head into 2023 and finally, we certainly think that we have the ability to continue to optimize pricing and packaging, which is basically how we're marketing and going to market with our with our products and how we're extracting value out of those products as we are selling.
Okay. That's great and then I guess this goes back to kind of that.
Third in and ultimately rule of 45.
Normalized revenue assumption within that framework.
On the call today.
You spoke about a lot of the inputs that traditionally gotten you to kind of the 20% rate of growth Youre talking about cross selling across the suite is talking about organic user growth.
Obviously churn is a consideration, but I guess, how do you think about some of those inputs.
Where would you put the construct today, if you could kind of revisit each of those variables.
Yeah, Thanks, Joe and the way that I would look at it is look the world has changed a lot in the last 18 months for sure.
One of the things that we're trying to take into consideration are those changes first and foremost some of the things that have happened in terms of discretionary spending and transactional revenue.
But at the same time the move to digital transformation on behalf of our financial institutions is remaining strong that's where we're focusing our efforts and resources, we're making sure that we're dedicating those resources to the areas that are generating the highest return so as you've seen some changes relative to what we communicate 18 months ago in terms of the growth profile.
We've also made some changes proactively in terms of our cost profile and as you referenced that rule of 30 that were marching towards towards the end of 2024 is optimizing the combination of those two things.
Hi, great. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Joe.
Well go to Terry Tillman through Securities.
Yes, Hi can you hear me okay.
Yes, we've got you Terry.
Hey, Matt David and Jonathan Thanks for taking my questions I guess the first question.
Sorry to put you on the spot map, but I'm going to put you on the spot.
This earning season, which continues the pace I havent heard companies talking about our record selling quarter. So I mean, it's pretty notable and so what I'm curious about.
Whether it's kind of top of the funnel.
Just kind of demand Gen in general.
And I know that you've got kind of this unique dynamic around deposits and loans.
And just a broadening platform, but how do you feel about bookings activity.
Qualitatively as we're heading into 'twenty three here and just can you keep up the vibrancy on the new bookings side and then a follow up for David.
Yes, Thanks Terry.
If you look at the last two quarters Q3, and Q4, you began to see the momentum on the digital banking side and I think what that is.
A couple of things, it's coming out of the pandemic the pressures on the legacy systems that didn't have the feature functionality that we're required really raise attention to.
The age of the technology to the leadership of the financial institutions, who are dealing with and they.
I've seen more executive engagement and these opportunities that I've ever seen and so it culminates in a record Q4 with.
Just that that bread and butter of this business that tier two tier three those deals we signed more deals they start in the pandemic in a long time in the quarter a lot of good volume had a nice tier one in there. So that activity is strong the pressure around deposits has put a focus on this as well every deal add commercial banking at it so commercial banking for us drives a higher ARPA.
Who drives our OSP, it's a better long term customer because of.
The integration of the depth you have with them and it's very difficult to switch off the system and so whether it's a bank or credit Union, we really are pushing those products and so the demand environment on the deposit side of the house is as strong as I've seen in a long time.
Those of you that know the business no that it's.
It takes nine to 12 months to come to revenue. So you are going to look at some of this in the back half of <unk>.
Yes late third fourth quarter of 'twenty, three and then most of them you'll get you'll get most of it in 'twenty four or so very encouraged by that activity, obviously on the lending side of the house.
It has slowed somewhat but you still have customers that need technology to originate and service loans.
And then so there's no pressure on the lending side of the business I think for the first half of the year, but on the on the precision lender the pricing relationship tool.
Had so much success with that at the end of the year that that's beginning.
We're going to see is the delivery of that product into the existing customers and then the expansion will begin to happen like we saw a couple of expansion deals in this quarter. So feel really good about the demand environment on the digital banking side and I feel like the products we have.
The lending side, our unique enough to where we're able to drive.
A little bit of a kind of whether this rapidly rising interest rate environment, where we can differentiate ourselves and the pricing relationship tool is very valuable in that so we're encouraged by the pipeline and excited about the way things look moving forward. So I appreciate the I. Appreciate the question and you had one for David I think.
Yes, so David it sounds like I mean, it's a very fluid kind of macro situations. So it sounds like.
So moving parts as it relates to discretionary services and then helix transactional revenue and then the M&A environment could you. So two part question could you stock rank one of those three items has changed the most since the last update and then on the subscription revenue to get to your rule of 40 as you exit 'twenty four.
Is it kind of at that same rate that it accelerates in 'twenty three or does that accelerate further thank you.
Yes, sure Jerry and to sort of do the stack ranking I would say.
All of them have changed to an extent over the course of the last four months the biggest impact quite frankly to the guide was that contract termination as I said that was greater than $4 million impact too.
23.
Sort of looking at.
What's changed there I would say the helix environment in the Fintech environment has certainly changed.
I would probably stack rank that at the top.
Other transactional revenue, which is predominantly bill pay I would say, it's sort of next M&A is going to be relatively small in terms of the impact that it has on.
On a revenue and year end 2023, so I would say that's next and then finally, we actually did right size for the most part that discretionary spending impacts heading into Q4, and I think I mentioned that on the call. What came in Q4 was relatively aligned with what we expected, but we're just making sure that we're factoring that into the guide fully based upon what we know today.
Was there something else Jeremy.
Yes, I mean, unfortunately, I ask adult to partner on the second question. So that's terrible with me, but yes, David It was it was just related to your aspirational goal of the role of 30 kind of progressing towards that by the end of 'twenty four.
Would you say that subscription revenue accelerates further from where it ends up shaking out in 'twenty three or it's about the same level, because I'm asking that because I'm definitely getting questions about the bookings strength and maybe if there's like a multiyear kind of acceleration or just whatever the whatever it accelerates to in 'twenty three it stays at that level and 24. Thank you.
Yes, Thanks, Terry Theres, a lot of variables in place for us to get to that rule of rule of 30 in late 'twenty. Four so we're not going to get to avoid parsing out exactly where it's going to come from certainly booking strength in our subscription based business is going to result in accelerated subscription revenue at some point in the few.
But we're not going to start to look at those individual variables and start to say exactly how much it's going to come from which for 2020 for yet.
We certainly want to focus on delivering and executing on 'twenty three relative to the guidance and some of the commentary that we provided on that.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Next up from Raymond James It's Alex Sklar.
Thanks, Matt I wanted to follow up on your answer to <unk>. First question. Every deal you said have in commercial banking unit. What can you tell us now about your pipeline composition in terms of commercial banking opportunities, where it seems like you have high win rates.
Versus kind of retail banking or other solutions.
Alastair.
The pie from an RFP perspective, it's up quarter over quarter year over year total opportunities created those were up quarter over quarter year over year big year over year.
Demos are up I think 21% year over year. So the activity on the digital banking side is is obviously increasing.
I don't have the stat on it but there is a lot of commercial activity I would think you would see.
Those 70% to 80% of those are have commercial banking related to them.
I just want to make sure you understand the reason for that is because that's where a lot of those deposits are and what's happening is as the retention of those deposits for those commercial customers is critical and our technology is one of the tools that literally add banks reach out to me and say, we're telling them to hold on until we do the conversion because theyre going to upgrade the technology and it's going to be a better experience. So that's really what's driving.
Giving that as well is we have a lot of credit unions that are signing up for commercial banking because theres a lot of opportunity in the credit Union space to take advantage of there are a lot of small and midsized businesses that are hiding on the retail product and so our ability to take a retail product in turn on commercial functionality on demand as is highly differentiated and so thats one of the things that is driving a lot of that activity as well.
<unk>.
Okay. Thanks for that color and then David you gave US you have in the past I think it was.
70% gross margins on a subscription renewal and we heard about the better mix for 2023, that's going to benefit gross margin, but what can you tell us about kind of line of sight to gross margin improvement over the next year or two in terms of that stat or in the other buckets that you have.
Yes, we certainly do see that margin expansion, probably no one just to give a little context on that I mean, one of the bigger drivers behind that is you have the mix of subscription revenue combined with the.
The recurring revenue that we have associated with the implementation services. So when you go through a renewal process those implementation services roll off those are lower margins. So as a result, you get a margin uplift from that on top of the incremental users and incremental solutions that you've been adding which are typically higher margin. So we do anticipate that to continue as we renew customers we get higher margins.
And then just broadly speaking in terms of the gross margin profile going forward. We expect the EBITDA expansion that we've provided in guidance to come both from Opex scaling so opex coming in lower as a percentage of revenue combined with gross margin expansion. So youre going to see both of those line items deliver towards that EBITDA accretion.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thanks. The next question is Robert Napoli William Blair.
Alright, Thank you for taking the question and good afternoon.
Question I guess.
First on the.
Contract termination and just maybe your overall lending business within your your lending businesses first of all is there anything else that we should be aware off in the portfolio to be like that how do you get a reversal.
What happened I guess and then just Paul.
How that relates to I know you made the acquisition, which is in cloud lending.
And that was not part of precision lender, but just any update on your overall lending business as well.
Yeah, Bob so.
This is a deal that was a legacy contract we had.
Before and.
It was looking at where we are now as we focus on becoming a profitable growth company.
Didn't fit and the direction, we're going we parted ways mutually like I said.
Alternative finance International company it wasn't really in our wheelhouse looking back on it now and so we've moved forward moved on from it both of us.
On good terms.
And so there is a.
Business decision, we had to make the both of US had to make and we moved on from it as far as the lending business goes.
Like I said earlier youre going to see pressure on when rates rise. This fast people are not asking for loans.
The other workouts that are happening in that type of thing you still have.
<unk> still got you still need to automate their origination process, they still need to automate their servicing process.
It is something that's going to slow down as far as the relationship pricing tool precision lender as I've said earlier.
It's in demand youre seeing it grow within existing customers and getting people's attention on the lending side is kind of what the distraction is right now, but I feel good about the way that team is engaged in the opportunities.
But we have and I think youll see in the back half of the year a lot of momentum, but digital banking is.
Carried the quarter, obviously and has a lot of momentum going into <unk> into 'twenty, three I really like where the pipe is in the deal activity right now.
Thank you and then I think you had a question for David.
Yes, a question I guess, it would probably be for Jonathan.
Maybe but.
Helix.
Bass.
You were targeting 100 billion in revenue I believe by 2026.
I think that was the number you had given in the past and I know that it's in tax.
In this environment, maybe slower growth, but just any update on that.
That's still a reasonable target.
What is a reasonable target for <unk> and what are you seeing as far as opportunities and.
Embedded financer bass area.
Okay.
Yes, we havent, obviously, a lot's changed ahead as David said over the last 18 months and Thats certainly true within the helix business, we haven't given a revised long term view of it but we certainly still feel very good about the opportunity set in front of us what I'd say is the composition of the pipeline has changed.
Now when you look at Fintech as we've talked about we're still focused on the bigger opportunities, but now the composition of the pipeline is really filled with conversion opportunities that are looking for a platform that can scale, but are looking for a better economics.
Would come from their vendors and so we're just seeing a very different view of how the larger fintech are behaving. We're also seeing a lot of growth within our existing customers as I talked about on the script.
So really really important we continue to have a year that was characterized by a meaningful multi year renewals of these large <unk> clients and that drives a lot of growth in this business and so you marry those two things with our brand strategy and what we're seeing on the brand side and I'd say, what's changed there over the course of 'twenty, two especially as we got into Q4 is where much.
Our focus now in the verticals, where we think we can win if you rewind the clock six to nine months I'd say, we were pretty aggressive in going after a bunch of large opportunities across verticals and we sort of learned where we're strong and where we can win and where our model works and certainly in this environment I think thats prudent for us to be very focused and we're so we're still.
We're still bullish on the opportunity that's just as I mentioned, a lot has changed and we're navigating through that environment, but still it's still excited about what this business can do.
Thank you.
Thanks, Bob.
And next step is Charles no bonds.
Hi, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my question. Two part question first if we think about the exact expected acceleration in subscription growth could you give us a sense for how much of it is coming from cross sell versus user growth versus new logos and secondly, as you come up on these big renewals could you comment on the <unk>.
<unk> environment any impact positive or negative the pricing of those deals might have in your ability to.
Cross sell into those new.
<unk> add new products into those new contracts.
Sure so on the on the.
Subscription breakdown.
It's really.
It's really coming from both Cros and net new and its relatively evenly split.
Seeing a lot of good momentum in both and really it varies by quarter second half of the year, we really saw some good momentum with subscription and that's going to carry forward into next year.
So there is there's really an equal driver coming from each one of those those areas.
The pricing standpoint are you asking about.
The pricing environment that we're seeing.
Yes.
Yes, yes, so a few things that I just mentioned there I don't know Matt may have a couple of points. One is that we're seeing some very high win rates right now the second half of the year our win rate was a 50, 50%.
So we feel really really good about how we're positioned particularly when you look at the composition of the deals where were playing and where we're winning.
As these deals continue to increase and breath, we continue to see a higher win rate. So.
So the screening process that we're going through in terms of the deals that we participate is certainly an important variable in all of that in.
In fact, when you look at the bookings that we've won on net new deals for FY 'twenty two.
The average deal size was up 34% year over year from 2021. So that's there's few contributions there one is the contribution of more products and breadth and two is the contribution of commercial being a bigger part.
So we're definitely feeling like we're really well positioned to effectively screen the deals win our share.
The win rates that we saw in the second half of 50% certainly exhibit that.
Got it and then just as a follow up I wanted yes.
Yes.
Go ahead.
Oh, sorry.
I wanted to drill and as my follow up I wanted to drill into the revenue mix within helix and specifically get a sense for how much of that helix revenue is transaction driven versus subscription or or user related.
Yes, so the way I would think of it as roughly 30% of the revenue would be what I would call analogous to subscription revenue where it's either.
The platform fee, the actual subscription fee or what we call excess user fees.
Then you have a bucket that I would broadly call transactional revenue and that includes everything from interchange revenue deposit float to the extent there is any revenue share on a deposit program.
And then pass through fees and pass through we've talked about David you talked about a lot in terms of how that impacts the helix business from a margin perspective, but that includes things like fraud monitoring and other control solutions to help us manage navigate fraud disputes and the like and so that makes up the balance of it. So it's a much more transactional.
Business inherently than the digital banking or digital lending business.
Got it I appreciate the color. Thank you.
William Mcnamara from BPI is next.
Hi, Thanks for taking my question in terms of thinking of margin improvements and things of that nature, I talked a little bit about the head count increasing slightly.
Compared to last year, but just kind of wanted to know.
How youre thinking about head count going into 2023.
Sure.
One data point I think it's important to note is when you look at the proactive actions that we said we took starting late summer.
That included all of the areas that I referenced whether it's some areas of contractor spend third party spend.
<unk> footprint and head count our head count was actually down from a net standpoint from the end of August through.
Through the end of December .
Now as we look forward into FY2023 there is certainly some areas, where we feel it's really important for us to add some head count.
And that's going to be in areas that typically touch the customer as well as the product so the customer and the products of the areas, where we're going to invest.
We're also going to find more efficient ways of doing that though and that was my point on global resources we.
We can add heads net on an overall basis and still have our overall cost cost profile not move too much.
So those are the things that we're looking at is how do we reduce the cost per head one and then to make sure we're really efficient with the heads that we have.
And then three we will be adding heads in specific areas that touch the customer and the product.
Okay, great. Thanks, and then in terms of thinking about the churn rate that you disclosed.
I guess just.
Is there any more color you can add to that in terms of deals. Maybe you guys are walking away from it that just doesn't fit your criteria.
Things of that nature.
Yes.
And then the pricing question, which is we're doing a really good job of screening opportunities now and making sure that the deals that we're going after those that are going to yield the highest return.
That's going to be based upon the scope of the opportunity.
As the customer really looking to transform digitally.
Do we have opportunities to continue to expand with them as they grow and we've done a really good job over the course of the last year as is evidenced by that 34% increase that I referenced.
So we feel really good about how we're screening deals now for existing customers.
Going to continue to grow with them as well and we're going to find if there is if there is opportunities for us to continue to expand with an existing customer that you can do that is through there.
Inorganic opportunities or by expanding the product set that they have with us we're certainly going to capitalize on that.
Alright, thank you.
Thanks.
And ladies and gentlemen that does conclude our question and answer session as well as the Q2 holdings fourth quarter and full year and two.
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