Q4 2022 ADDvantage Technologies Group Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Greetings, and welcome to the Advantage Technologies Group Report, Fiscal 2022 Fourth Quarter and Year-End Financial Results.
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Speaker 2: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Brett Moss with Hayden IR. Thank you, Mr. Moss. You may begin.
Speaker 3: Thank you, operator. We're joined today by Joe Hart, president and CEO , as well as Michael Rutledge, the company's chief financial officer, and JD Jones, the new president of Fulton Technologies.
Speaker 3: Before we begin today's call, I'd like to remind you that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements which are subject to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities and Legation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements include, among other things, statements regarding future events, such as the ability of Advantage Technologies and its subsidiaries, to maintain strategic relationships and agreements with certain original equipment manufacturers,
Speaker 3: and multiple system operators as well as the future financial performance of advantage technologies.
Speaker 3: These statements involved a number of risks and uncertainties. Participants are cautioned that these forward-looking statements are only predictions and may materially differ from the actual future results or results due to a variety of factors such as those contained in Advantage Technologies' most recent report on Form 10-K on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker 3: Financial information presented on this conference call should be considered in conjunction with the consolidated financial statements and notes included in the company's press release issued earlier today and included in Advantage Technologies most recent report on Form 10K. The guidance regarding anticipated future results on this call is based on limited information currently available on Advanced Technologies, which is subject to change.
Speaker 3: Although any such guidance and factors influencing it may change, Advantage Technologies will not necessarily update this information, but the company will only provide guidance at certain points during the year. Such information speaks only as of the date of this call. During this call, we may also present certain non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP net income and certain ratios that are used with these measures.
Speaker 3: In our press release and in the financial tables issued earlier today, which are located on our website at advantagetechnologies.com, you will find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures with the closest GAAP financials and a discussion about why we believe these non-GAAP financial measures are irrelevant.
Speaker 3: These financial measures are included for the benefit of investors and should be considered in addition to and not instead of GAAP measures. Finally, I'd like to note the company has adjusted its fiscal year end date from September 30 to December 31. Accordingly, we are comparing the 12-month period ending December 31, 2022 to the 12-month period ending September 30, 2021.
Speaker 3: I would now like to turn the call over to Joe Hart, President and Chief Executive Officer of Advantage Technologies. Joe, please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Brett, and thank you to everyone joining us on the call today.
Speaker 4: 2022 is a very good year for Advantage Technologies, and I think we have positioned the company for continued success in 2023.
Speaker 4: Both of our segments grew and both demonstrated resilience in the face of economic conditions and the ongoing global supply chain challenges.
Speaker 4: Our team responded nimbly and professionally.
Speaker 4: taking excellent care of our network, enterprise, and work-from-home customers on the telco side, and our carrier and OEM customers on the wireless side.
Speaker 4: While our telco business performed exceptionally well, we think we've only scratched the surface of the wireless opportunity, meaning we have growth and cash generation still to come in our opinion.
Speaker 4: The December quarter and the March quarter are often impacted by weather conditions up north on the wireless side.
Speaker 4: as well as the holidays and the end and start of annual budget cycles on the telco side.
Speaker 4: The fourth quarter of 2022 was no different in this regard.
Speaker 4: Our Tilco Division grew 1% over what was a strong December quarter last year.
Speaker 4: But revenue growth tailed off at the end of the quarter compared to the previous three quarters.
Speaker 4: However, our wireless division actually delivered an 11% increase quarter over quarter and a 49% increase in revenue year over year.
Speaker 4: Simultaneously, we benefited from the cost reduction initiatives we put in place throughout the second half of the year for wireless.
Speaker 4: followed by a revenue quarter with improved margins to end the year.
Speaker 4: During the year, our improved profitability and cash generation enabled us to pay down our line of credit and strengthen our balance sheet and also provided...
Speaker 4: added liquidity through a factoring arrangement.
Speaker 4: Advantage Technologies finished the full year at positive net income.
Speaker 4: Advantage Technologies finished the full year at positive net income for the first time in six years.
Speaker 4: and is poised for continued wireless growth in 2023.
Speaker 4: This was a $7 million turnaround on the bottom line, year over year.
Speaker 4: Consolidated revenues increased 5% from the same quarter a year ago and 56% for the year.
Speaker 4: We also saw margin improvements as gross margins increased 254 basis points for the year.
Speaker 4: Importantly, our operating expenses increased only 6% for the full year, even as we grew revenue 56%. This positions us for significant improvements in net income and cash generation in 2023 as we continue to grow revenue.
Speaker 4: Our 4G and 5G tower work for our wireless division continues to grow, as do opportunities for expansion in 2023.
Speaker 4: Our telco segment delivered strong double-digit growth rates for three of the four quarters in 2022, reflecting continued demand for our optical transport and enterprise network offerings.
Speaker 4: The result is total company revenue of $19.6 million for the quarter and over $97 million for the year.
Speaker 4: While there is definitely some uncertainty created by economic headwinds and geopolitical tensions,
Speaker 4: We see another strong growth period for a wireless division in 2023.
Speaker 4: There is some upheaval on the wireless services provider side of the food chain that is creating opportunity for us the next several years.
Speaker 4: We have made some recent strategic hires on our wireless team that we hope will help us exploit these impending opportunities.
Speaker 4: We see opportunities to expand our geographic footprint and to enhance our business with the wireless carriers this year.
Speaker 4: The 5G opportunity represents a multi-year growth opportunity for tower work across all four of the major wireless carriers.
Speaker 4: Each of the carriers are investing billions of dollars in the expansion.
Speaker 4: And the CAPEX plans of the carriers are public and widely discussed.
Speaker 4: While some carriers may slow CapEx temporarily, the consumer demand for
Speaker 4: While some carriers may slow CAPEX temporarily, the consumer demand for increased bandwidth and coverage continues to increase.
Speaker 4: thereby leading to the need to add cell sites and improve capacity.
Speaker 4: Our telco segment had another positive quarter and an outstanding year in 2022.
Speaker 4: This was their seventh consecutive quarter of revenue over $11 million.
Speaker 4: Our telco segment continues to generate solid and positive contribution margin to our company.
Speaker 4: With that, I'll now turn the call over to Michael Rutledge, our CFO , to provide a more detailed review of our financial results.
Speaker 5: Michael, please go ahead. Thank you, Joe. Consolidated sales increased 900,000, or 5%, to $19.6 million for the fourth quarter from $18.7 million for the three months ended December 31, 2021. The increase in sales was due to $20,000, or $20,000, for the first quarter.
Speaker 5: Increases in wireless revenues of $800,000.
Speaker 5: Consolidated Gross Profit increased $700,000 to $5.3 million for the quarter compared to $4.6 million for the same period last year.
Speaker 5: The increase was due to an increase in the wireless
Speaker 5: segment revenues of 800,000 and for margins.
Speaker 5: Consolidated selling G&A expenses include overhead, which consist of personnel, insurance, professional services, communication, and other cost categories, decreased by 16 percent or $600,000.
Speaker 5: for the three months ended December 31, 2022.
Speaker 5: The decrease in SG&A reflects the impact of our cost reduction initiatives and improved operating efficiencies.
Speaker 5: Net loss for the quarter was $500,000 or 4% per diluted share.
Speaker 5: based on 14 million shares compared with a net loss of 2 million or a loss of 16 cents per diluted share based on 12.7 million shares for the same quarter last year.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Turning to the full year results.
Speaker 5: For the period from January 1, 2022 to December 31, 2022, sales were $97 million, an increase of 56% compared to $62.2 million for the year ended September 30, 2021.
Speaker 5: Wireless segment revenue increased 49% to $30.8 million and telco segment revenue increased 59% to $66.2 million.
Speaker 5: Gross profit was $27.8 million or 29% gross margin compared to a gross profit of $16.1 million or 26% gross margin for the year ended September 30, 2021.
Speaker 5: Operating expenses increased $500,000 to $9.8 million. So our operating expenses increased just 6% while revenue increased 56%.
Speaker 5: Full year net income was $500,000 or 3 cents per basic and diluted share compared to a net loss of $6.5 million.
Speaker 5: in the prior year, which benefited from a $3 million gain on extinguishment of debt for our PPP loan. inefficient laser sound
Speaker 5: This was 52 cents of a loss per diluted share for the year ended September 30, 2021.
Speaker 5: As Joe noted, this is our first full year of positive net income since 2016.
Speaker 5: Turning to our balance sheet, cash and cash equivalents were $3.7 million at December 31, 2022, compared to $2.9 million as of September 30, 2021.
Speaker 5: We generated approximately $2.2 million in cash from operations for the year.
Speaker 5: As of December 31, 2022, the company had net inventories of $9.6 million.
Speaker 5: We continue to believe we are sufficiently capitalized with appropriate backstops to support near-term business conditions until more normalized business conditions return.
Speaker 5: This concludes the financial overview segment of our remarks. I will now turn the call over to the operator to facilitate any questions.
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Speaker 2: Thank you and our first question is from Ken Peterson who is a private investor. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 7: Earlier in the year in the conference call it was discussed about a $2.4 million a year savings goal. How much of that was achieved in 2022?
Speaker 4: Hi Kent, this is Joe Hart. So the $2.4 million was about $600,000 a quarter. We achieved about $400,000 a quarter of that. And the rapid price of diesel fuel.
Speaker 4: in the second half of the year, kind of thwarted our goal of 600k.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't as robust as we hoped, but it was still quite significant and helped us.
Speaker 4: improve both bottom line and top line. On the cog side, we had a lot of very nice improvements which helped our margin improvements that we reported here just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 7: Okay, on the telco segment sequentially, is that a typical seasonal?
Speaker 7: I'm the telco segment sequentially is that a typical seasonal?
Speaker 7: lower sales in that quarter.
Speaker 7: I'm assuming it was. The reason the telco sales were down sequentially.
Speaker 4: That was part of it. I mean, we're always, it's a sales order driven business, so when you're closed and your customers are closed for Thanksgiving week or Christmas to New Year's, you know, it affects the selling period by about 20% for those two months. But this was also
Speaker 4: I'll say end of...
Speaker 4: network provider budget year. So that November , December tail off, some years it's significant.
Speaker 4: The year before in 2021, we didn't see it as much, but this year it was bigger. So I think we get hit with that end of budget year and a slow startup for the new budget year. That's pretty typical. The year before in 2021, we didn't see it as much, but this year it was bigger.
Speaker 7: Okay, and lastly, with the supply chain starting to open up from Asia, how does management see the telco segment being affected by that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the crystal ball question, Kent.
Speaker 4: For sure, we think it's going to have some impact. We don't, at this time, know how much.
Speaker 4: Now, as part of that offset, we made a pretty significant shift.
Speaker 4: to optical transport equipment sales in 2022. There's still a tremendous amount of fiber network construction going on across the country. So we think that'll help offset some of that chip shortage improvement and supply chain.
Speaker 4: improvement. But until we really get further into the budget year, we won't know for sure.
Speaker 7: On the optical equipment, are you saying that the company is now a supplier to 5G infrastructure?
Speaker 7: Yeah, on the optical equipment, are you saying that the company is now a supplier to 5G infrastructure in a way?
No, the NAVE Communications is really the public telephone...
equipment provider to both, I'll say the public telcos, so for switch centers and transmission hubs, but also to the private fiber network providers like Xeo, Everstream.
CenturyLink, Lumen, those companies that are providing.
both backbone as well as
wireless hub fiber provisioning.
Okay, I guess I have one last question on the CapEx budgets of the four carriers.
Okay, I guess I have one last question on the CapEx budgets of the four carriers.
In your opinion, how many years is this cycle going to see a capex?
sort of a secular trend in the build out of the next generation.
Got a four to five year or what does the industry think right now?
So, a year ago I would have answered this slightly differently, but...
In 3G and 4G, those cycles lasted roughly 10 years.
But we started building our first 4G sites in 2012.
And here we are 11 years later, and we are still doing
Oh, probably 40 to 50 percent of our wireless work is 4G frequency expansion for either additional antennas, radios, etc.
4G is still going strong in its 11th year. 5G, I would say, round numbers, each of these cycles tends to be 10 years with...
A big bulk of the initial build out in the first three to four years, but as more frequencies in Spectrum gets auctioned off by the FCC, you can keep these cycles.
you know, just going on and on. Most of the voice traffic is on 4G.
Okay, so the wireless division will be...
having 4G and 5G sales in the next few years.
and the 4G is not necessarily part of the CapEx increases for the carriers, is that kind of correct?
Well, I think the bulk of it is 5G related, but you still see some additional radios being installed at the top of the towers that are maybe
combination 4G, 5G or frequency sharing. I mean there's still some amount of the capex being spent on 4G. Okay I appreciate those are my questions. Thank you.
or frequency sharing. I mean, there's still some amount of the capex being spent on 4G. Okay, I appreciate those are my questions. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question is from Cliff Vachoski with who is a private investor. Please proceed with your question.
Congratulations for great results.
The question is about the current quarter.
First of all, I'm not sure I haven't been tracking the weather throughout the United States, but this winter through March, have you seen kind of like detrimental weather events that have happened in the past?
prevented you from increasing revenues and also this current quarter, how are the capital budgets going? Are there any cuts because of the unstable economic conditions and the banking crisis and so on? I don't know I just think it helps create market leash when it comes to income.
We saw some weather impact us in January and February up in...
Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan.
Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, where we worked up north.
We got hit with an ice storm here down in Texas.
I think late January , early February . So we will see it for either a few days at a time or an occasional, you know, Arctic blast will come in up north in the Midwest.
But that's pretty typical and traditional in our business. As far as CapEx budgets, we haven't been impacted by them yet.
If you read the earnings releases from T-Mobile and Verizon, AT&T, you'll see that Verizon and T-Mobile, one of them.
announced about a 10% decrease in total capex, and the other one announced, I think, 22% decrease in capex. They don't give any details, so you don't know how much of that is on the wired side of the business versus the wireless side of the business.
AT&T, I think like all the carriers, AT&T will trim back a little bit, but AT&T still has a lot of their new C-band spectrum to deploy here this year in 2023.
We don't predict any major drop-off.
that will impact us on the carrier spending side.
I will tell you though, I'll caveat that, it's still a little early to know that on our side because while their CFOs of the carriers may be announcing it last month or this month, we probably won't see those impacts till...
tell you though, I'll caveat that, it's still a little early to know that on our side because while their CFOs of the carriers may be announcing it last month or this month, we probably won't see those impacts until sometime in the spring.
But I don't think we're going to see too much. And quite frankly, we are still a small player in the overall ecosystem in the United States wireless world. So I think we'll be just fine.
We have forecasted a pretty aggressive growth plan. We will see where it goes.
So being a small player, I assume you believe that taking market share is more important than capital spending. Can you…
Just remind us why you're taking market share, how are you better than the bigger players?
Yeah.
It starts with an expansion of our geographic footprint. We've begun to do work over in the southeast region, the Texas adjacent states of like Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, you know.
states that are within, I'll say, a four to six hour drive from Dallas or Houston, et cetera. And we do the same thing out of our Chicago headquarters, expanding into whether it's Wisconsin or into Michigan.
Indiana, Iowa, etc. We expand SHARE with an expansion of geography, but we also are trying to go deeper into all four of the carriers. Last year we had a big push with one of the new carriers.
Fairly.
standard supplier to AT&T. And wherever you expand you find you're able to get more jobs because you do a better job than the local suppliers.
Or is it that they... go ahead.
Yeah, that's certainly the game plan. Last year, we expanded into two markets where the customer didn't deliver the volume and continuity of work that they had.
Yeah, that's certainly the game plan, but you know last year we expanded into two markets where the customer didn't deliver the volume and continuity of work that they had, I'll say, promised.
So, we ended up finishing the sites we had and we withdrew from those two cities. But we also expanded into about eight other markets that we weren't in previous to last year and it worked.
just fine. The goal is go in on the back of one carrier and then add business from another to maybe three carriers once you're there and plant your roots.
Okay, thanks for taking me this day. Good luck.
Thank you very much. Thanks for your question. Thank you. Our next question is from George Gaspar who is a private investor. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Good day to everyone.
The first question would be...
if you could give me the, give us the, the counts on your employment situation and your two divisions at the end of the year.
and how you're seeing that going forward.
and then your management of the teleco operation. And if I recall
You maybe had 300 or so working in that division. Can you update us on where you're at on employment and where you see yourselves at this point as we get closer to the end of the first quarter?
Sure. I'll try to answer your question, but...
As I always remind you that there's a little bit of a competitive information aspect to this George, so I'll be a little bit vague, but when we hit the big holiday periods like Thanksgiving, Christmas, and we hit the...
The cold weather months or bad weather months.
You know, we probably drop our crew count down into around the mid-20s, and then we're currently back up in the mid-30s here in early March. So the weather's improved, the work has picked up.
I think our goal is to try to be up in the mid-40s to maybe 50s on crew count this year. You've asked me this question every quarter now for about a year and a half, so I know you're familiar with it. But to any new listeners, I'm going to try to be up in the mid-40s to maybe 50s on crew count this year.
You know the crew count on the wireless side equates to revenue so that's a clear bellwether, but We also try to mitigate our risk with crew count on the wireless side where we use
somewhere between 50 to 60, sometimes 65 percent of subcontractor crews
and our in-house crews, which is our own personnel.
probably average in that 35 to 45 percent range. So we try to offset the risk of the peaks and valleys in the production year by using subcontractors that when we don't have sufficient workload, we don't have any...
We don't have any guarantee to use them. That helps us keep our costs under control and keep our overhead under control.
to use them. So that helps us keep our costs under control and keep our overhead under control.
All right, and then on the CalCO start side, are you still standing pretty clear on about the same employment status? I thought I remember it was maybe...
300, but I may be way wrong on that.
Yes, yes you are. You're way too high. We're under 200.
Yes, you are. You're way too high. We're under 200. I mean, remember that NAVE Communications is...
essentially a virtual company. We have only a handful of key sales employees.
All the inventory and the pick, pack, and ship and the test and repair of boards and things like that is done by our 3PL partner, Palco Telecom out of Huntsville, Alabama. They've had a huge year.
It was done by that same handful of employees who worked a lot of hours and a lot of extra days to make this expansion year happen. On the Triton side, they had about a...
roughly 50% increase in their business this past year, and we added probably less than half a dozen headcount throughout the year.
I think a good job managing the production efficiencies in 2022. That sounds very good. Thank you. The next question would be back on the wireless side in terms of the tower work that you're doing. Has it changed very much?
relative to the assumptions that your customers are looking for to get done. And could you possibly give us a thought on
in this tower business, if there's.
more opportunity for significant change outs.
on towers from equipment that's on them now, and possibly where I'm...
the customers want to really go upscaled from where they were installing equipment two and three years ago.
Any thoughts on that?
Sure, many.
I don't think the work has changed between last year and this coming year.
has changed between last year and this coming year.
In any 3G, 4G, 5G cycle, they start in the major metropolitan urban areas, expand into the suburbs, they cover the highway corridors, and then they start expanding coverage out to...
the rural or secondary tertiary cities, you know, to cover an entire state. So we've just finished probably the second year of 5G. So the location of the sites will tend to be
It won't be in Dallas, but it will be out in Longview and Midland and other parts of Texas. And then ensuing year or two after that, it will be out in the outlying rural areas. So geographically, you're kind of constantly moving.
But then right behind that, after about the third or fourth year, you'll be back in those urban areas
expanding capacity, adding frequencies, adding radios, changing out antennas, to the next generation of technology. So the work is always, it's moving outward and then it's moving back, I'll say location-wise.
And then, you know, it's, yeah, there's, you know, the technology is constantly improving, so the carriers are, you know,
constantly trying to have the latest and greatest and highest quality signals being sent out to their subscribers. So I just think it's a it's a robust food chain that's constantly improving and constantly changing out but it's not really reducing the space that they need on the tower.
that's just going to continue to evolve and grow. Every country is going to need.
two or three times the number of macro cell sites that they have today.
because the cell sites are shrinking in diameter as the speed and the bandwidth increases, and the demand for video streaming, et cetera, et cetera, requires faster speeds, higher bandwidths. an
which shrinks the cells, which then creates holes, which creates a need for more cells. So this is a business that's going to be, you know, constantly growing like an amoeba and you know, just that's why they call it cellular, right? It's a honeycomb.
The edge of all the cells have to touch for your calls to be handed off from cell to cell to cell as you're driving in your car. This need for growth and expansion on cell sites never really goes away. There is some natural ebb and flow.
the start of one of the big G cycles compared to its later years, but yeah, it's always growing.
Okay and then ongoing, we talked a little bit in the last call about change outs in equipment that are going on to the towers and you've related to that in your last comment you've made. But how do you see yourselves?
I'm not sure what you mean by sub work. Are you talking about like underground work?
Underground, right, right. And just taking the signals further away from towers and making sure that they equate appropriately getting further away. And I assume that there's a lot of equipment that has to be switched off too very quickly after dripping.
installed further away from the towers and does this open up an avenue for you to get more broadly involved?
I think medium to long term meaning sort of three to five years. There's plenty of opportunities today for us to enter into fiber optic network construction.
But that's not our core competency. That's not the I'll say the motor vehicle and equipment fleet that we have set up. We have it set up for wireless.
So there could be small cells, which are really telephone poles, light poles, pole-like structures that are not big towers.
need to increase in volume over the coming 10 years. That's something that if we had the opportunity next week, we would probably take advantage of it. So I think there's other ways for us to play. But we're still so young.
in this business inside of Advantage Technologies that we need to get really good at what we do already and very profitable and consistently profitable in what we do first before we start trying to expand sideways.
into additional services. If it flows from either the customer that we have in the location we're at.
and they offer us the opportunity to do additional services, if it makes sense, we'll certainly take advantage of it.
Right. Well, that's I appreciate very much your designation analysis of this recent response to my last question here. And it's, it's a very positive feeling that one can get.
about the real opportunities. And just in closing, I'm sure that there's going to be more opportunity on the towers as we move away more from China equipment that's up on towers. And the encouragement that's going to be hands-on for the city, whether our employees arebelieve it or not. So I'mxia social media, I'm survey
in the United States now that we've got to reduce our capacity and coming in from China in terms of equipment and and it has to it has to grow from here and I would think that that would offer you more.
opportunity going forward? Yes, yes it should, yes it can. I think there's a lot of fanfare related to the rip and replace of
Huawei or ZTE equipment that's out there in the network. The current Congress has not really funded that effort yet via the FCC. So I think you know there's there's still a lot more politics involved in that George than I ever hope to understand be involved with so.
ZTE equipment that's out there in the network. The current Congress has not really funded that effort yet via the FCC. So I think there's still a lot more politics involved in that, George, than I ever hope to understand be involved with. So. Right. OK.
All right, thank you kindly and good luck to you guys this year. This is hopefully this is going to be a great 1.23 and and that it'll lead to some very significant expansion going forward. Take care
Thank you. As a reminder it is star one if you would like to ask a question. There are no further questions at this time I would like to turn the floor back
management team and we've added to it recently on the wireless side. We continue to believe in this business. We feel like we made a significant turnaround on the bottom line between 2021 and 2022. We have every intention of continuing that for the full year 2023.
So, thank you for your support and thank you for your attendance today.
This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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