Q4 2022 Revance Therapeutics Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 2: and full year 2022 financial results and corporate update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will hold a Q&A session.
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Speaker 2: As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Tuesday, February 28, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jessica Serra, Head of Investor Relations and ESG for Revance. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jack. Joining us on a call today from RE-VANCE are Chief Executive Officer Mark Foley, President Dustin Suits, and Chief Financial Officer Toby Schilke. During this conference call, management will make forward-looking statements, including statements related to 2023 guidance.
Speaker 3: cash flow breakeven, and future revenue and expenses, our value creation and growth potential, the efficacy and duration of Doxify, our ability to draw on our debt, our regulatory submissions and approvals, our entry into the therapeutics market, our commercial success, consumer preferences and behavior.
Speaker 3: that benefits to us, practices, and consumers of our products and services, consumer outcomes, the supply and manufacturing of Daxify, sales team growth, ever strategy, planned operations, services strategy, and commercialization plans and timing. Our actual results and the events of...
Speaker 3: Timing of events could differ materially from those anticipated in such forward-looking statements as a result of these risks and uncertainties.
Speaker 3: Factors that could cause results to be different from these statements include factors the company describes in the section titled risk factors in our annual report on Form 10K filed with the SEC today, February 28, 2023. ReVance undertakes no duty or obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information.
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Speaker 4: 2022 was a landmark year for Revance. With strong execution on our strategic priorities, we not only delivered outstanding financial results for the year, but also positioned ourselves for significant value creation going forward. We are seeing our many achievements with the approval of DAXify.
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Speaker 4: The approval makes Daxify the first and only peptide-formulated neuromodulator with long-lasting results and the first true innovation in neuromodulator formulation in over 30 years.
Operator: Welcome to the Revance Therapeutics fourth quarter and full year 2022 financial results and corporate update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will hold a Q&A session. To ask a question at that time, please press Star followed by one on your touchtone phone. If anyone has any difficulty hearing the conference call, please press Star Zero for Operators. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Tuesday, February 28, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jessica Sarah, head of investor relations and ESG for review. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Moreover, the product efficacy and median duration of six months has been achieved by using a similar amount of co-active ingredient as that of the leading competitor.
Speaker 4: Daxify's approval not only enhances our competitive positioning in the facial aesthetics market, but also lays the foundation for our entry into therapeutics.
Speaker 4: As previously communicated, we initiated the introduction of VACTIFI to the aesthetics market to our planned early experience preview program in December .
Speaker 4: Thus far, we've been very pleased with the strong initial uptake and positive feedback from both injectors and consumers.
Jessica Serra: Thank you, Jack. Joining us on a call today from Revance, our Chief Executive Officer Mark Foley, President Dustin Soutes, and Chief Financial Officer Toby Shilke. During this conference call, management will make forward-looking statements, including statements related to 2023 guidance, cash flow break-even, and future revenue and expenses, our valley creation on growth potential, the efficacy and duration of Daxify, our ability to draw in our debt, our regulatory submissions and approvals, our entry into the therapeutics market, our commercial success, consumer preferences and behavior that benefits to us, practices and consumers of our products and services, consumer outcomes, the supply and manufacturing of Daxify, sales team growth, and our strategy, planned operations, services strategy, and commercialization plans and timing.
Speaker 4: Our strategic priority for 2022, our second strategic priority for 2022, was to drive the top line growth of our RHA collection of dermal fillers.
Speaker 4: Through our focused execution and with the introduction of new innovation, RHA Redemcity, we increased adoption, enhanced account productivity, and are very pleased to report a 51% revenue increase from last year.
Speaker 4: Turning to our third strategic priority, we made meaningful progress in enhancing our customer relationships through our services segment. Our core belief is that by complementing our products with value-added services, we can develop deeper and lasting relationships with our practice partners.
Speaker 4: Over the past few years, we've taken important steps to become an authorized payment facilitator so that the Opal platform can support meaningful features and functionalities.
Jessica Serra: Our actual results and the timing of events could differ materially from those anticipated in such forward-looking statements as a result of these risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause results to be different from those expressed include those the company describes in the section titled Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 10K filed with the SEC today, February 28, 2023. Revance undertakes no duty or obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or changes in its expectations. For that reason, I will turn the call over to Mark Foley, Chief Executive Officer of Revance.
Speaker 4: Practices are currently using OPAL to process payments at competitive rates, customize checkout options through a catalog of over 7,000 SKUs, and generate data insights.
Speaker 4: While it has taken us longer than expected to get to this stage of our platform's development, which led to an impairment charge that was recorded in Q4, we are making progress and will continue to develop our services offering as part of our long-term strategy to unlock additional value for our SETIX portfolio.
Speaker 4: In Q4, we ended the year with over 5,000 accounts across our aesthetics portfolio, up from 3,000 accounts from one year ago. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Prudent capital allocation was our fourth priority and I'm pleased to report that the combination of effective cash management and strategic financing have allowed us to execute on our priorities and launch Daxify from a position of strength despite the challenging financial market backdrop.
Mark J. Foley: Thank you, Jessica. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. 2022 was a landmark year for Revans. With strong execution on our strategic priorities, we not only delivered outstanding financial results for the year but also positioned ourselves for significant value creation going forward. Highlighting our many achievements was the approval of Daxify. The approval makes Daxify the first and only peptide-formulated neuromodulator with long-lasting results and the first true innovation in neuromodulator formulation in over 30 years. Moreover, the product's efficacy and median duration of six months have been achieved by using a similar amount of core active ingredients as that of the leading competitor.
Speaker 4: that our initiatives in these areas continue to be reflected in our annual company goals for which a portion of our executive and corporate bonuses are based.
Speaker 4: To that end, we're very pleased to achieve over 100% of our diversity and inclusion and people goals, which covered talent attraction, culture assessment, D&I educational programs, and women in leadership. We're also looking forward to publishing our second ESG report shortly.
Mark J. Foley: Dachify's approval not only enhances our competitive positioning in the facial aesthetics market but also lays the foundation for our entry into therapeutics. As previously communicated, we initiated the introduction of Daxify to the aesthetics market through our planned early experience preview program in December. Thus far, we've been very pleased with the strong initial uptake and positive feedback from both injectors and consumers.
Speaker 4: In addition to all these important accomplishments and our strong financial results for the quarter and year, we continue to make progress across several areas of the business in the early months of 2023.
Speaker 4: The FDA recently accepted our SBLA for Daxify for the treatment of cervical dystonia, and we were provided with a PDUFA date of August 19, 2023.
Speaker 4: This new indication, if approved, would be our first step towards unlocking Daxify's potential in therapeutics.
Mark J. Foley: Our strategic priority for 2022, our second strategic priority for 2022 was to drive the top line growth of our RHA collection of dermal fillers. Through our focused execution and with the introduction of new innovation, RHA Redensity, we increased adoption, enhanced account productivity, and are very pleased to report a 51% revenue increase from last year. Turning to our third strategic priority, we made meaningful progress in enhancing our customer relationships through our services segment.
Speaker 4: Upon approval, we look forward to launching an Early Experience Program, similar to the DAXify and RHA Preview Programs, followed by Full Commercial Launch in 2024.
Speaker 4: We expect to leverage these learnings to inform our launch plans and back supply pipeline strategy in therapeutics.
Speaker 4: On the corporate side, I'll touch on a few board and management changes.
Speaker 4: Earlier today, we announced the appointment of Dr. Vlad Korok, Chairman and CEO of BioHaven, as an independent director with an effective date of March 1st.
Mark J. Foley: Our core belief is that by complementing our products with value-added services, we can develop deeper and lasting relationships with our practice partners. For example, over the past few years, we've taken important steps to become an authorized payment facilitator so that the Oval platform can support meaningful features and functionality. Although it has taken us longer than expected to get to the stage of our platform's development, which led to an impairment charge that was recorded in Q4, we are making progress and will continue to develop our services offering as part of our long-term strategy to unlock additional value for our aesthetics portfolio. In Q4, we ended the year with over 5,000 accounts across our aesthetics portfolio, up from 3,000 accounts one year ago.
Speaker 4: Vlad is the seasoned pharmaceutical executive who brings a 22 plus year track record in biotech value creation, particularly in the area of neurology.
Speaker 4: His appointment will further enhance the collective skill set of our strong and diverse board and will help support our innovation and market expansion efforts.
Speaker 4: Lab deployment also coincides with the retirement of Phil Vickers prior to the company's 2023 annual meeting.
Speaker 4: Phil has been instrumental in shaping our scientific progress over the past eight years, and on behalf of both management and the board, I would like to thank him for his service and wish him all the best in the future.
Speaker 4: I'd also like to welcome Amy Krause as our Chief People Officer, effective March 13.
Speaker 4: Amy brings over 25 years of experience in human capital management and will be stepping into this critical role as Justin Ford, our Senior Vice President, Human Resources and Head of People retires.
Mark J. Foley: Prudent Capital Allocation was our fourth priority, and I'm pleased to report that the combination of effective cash management and strategic financing allowed us to execute on our priorities and launch Taxify from a position of strength, despite the challenging financial market backdrop. Finally, investing in our people and culture is always a priority for Revamp, so much so that our initiatives in these areas continue to be reflected in our annual company goals, on which a portion of our executive and corporate bonuses are based.
Speaker 4: Amy will build on the great work and progress that Justin and his team have made over the past six years.
Speaker 4: I'd like to thank Justin for his invaluable leadership in supporting our rapid growth as a company, attracting great talent, and in shaping our inclusive and diverse workplace culture. In summary, I'm proud of all that we were able to accomplish in 2022, setting the stage for another exciting and important year.
Speaker 4: We look forward to growing our US aesthetics franchise by successfully launching DAXify and driving deeper adoption of the RHA collection while also continuing to enhance our services offerings.
Mark J. Foley: To that end, we're very pleased to achieve over 100% of our diversity and inclusion and people goals, which covered talent attraction, culture assessment, D&I educational programs, and women in leadership. We're also looking forward to publishing our second ESG report shortly.
Speaker 4: At the same time, we are eagerly awaiting our first anticipated therapeutics approval and are actively preparing for our market entry.
Speaker 4: With that, I'll turn the call over to Dustin. Dustin? And if you can blend the entire process into a single clip fisher to the stand, the second
Mark J. Foley: In addition to all these important accomplishments and our strong financial results for the quarter and year, we continue to make progress across several areas of the business in the early months of 2023. The FDA recently accepted our SBLA for Daxify for the treatment of cervical dystonia, and we were provided with the patent on August 19, 2023. This new indication, if approved, would be our first step towards unlocking Daxify's potential in therapeutics.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark. I'm very pleased to see the progress our entire organization has made.
Speaker 5: specifically our strong sales results underscored by our commercial strategy and our consistent execution.
Speaker 5: Starting with the RHA collection, we saw strong demand in Q4 resulting from numerous training events in Nashville focused on the unique rheologic properties of the RHA collection Sinceighthouse Horton Developer,
Speaker 5: targeted consumer activation campaigns, and the benefit of RHA redensity in further customer engagement and adoption.
Mark J. Foley: Upon approval, we look forward to launching an early experience program, similar to the Daxify and RHA preview programs, followed by full commercial launch in 2024. We expect to leverage these learnings to inform our launch plans and Daxify Pipeline Strategy and Therapeutics. On the corporate side, I'll touch on a few board and management changes. Earlier today, we announced the appointment of Dr. Vlad Korrick, Chairman and CEO of Biohaven, as an independent director with an effective date of March 1st.
Speaker 5: These efforts were also amplified by DAXify's approval and resulted in $34.8 million of revenue in Q4, up 46% from last year. For the year, total RHA sales were $107 million, up 51%.
Speaker 5: The REJ Collection is currently the fastest growing HA filler brand in the competitive US filler market.
Mark J. Foley: Vlad is a seasoned pharmaceutical executive who brings a 22-plus-year track record in biotech value creation, particularly in the area of neurology. His appointment will further enhance the collective skill set of our strong and diverse board and will help support our innovation and market expansion efforts. LADS' appointment also coincides with the retirement of Phil Vickers prior to the company's 2023 annual meetings.
Speaker 5: Our success is a function of both our targeted strategy and the uniqueness of the product. From the way it's manufactured to its performance profile, RHA offers injectors important versatility in treating a wide range of patient needs and as a result has become a product that can stand on its own independent of a neuromodulator.
Speaker 5: The approval and launch of DACFI will therefore introduce a new dynamic for the RHA collection.
Speaker 5: We're excited to begin seeing synergies from our differentiated suite of products and services.
Speaker 5: We ended the quarter with over 5,000 accounts across our Cetix portfolio.
Mark J. Foley: Bill has been instrumental in shaping our scientific progress over the past eight years, and on behalf of both management and the board, I would like to thank him for his service and wish him all the best in the future. I'd also like to welcome Amy Krauss as our new Chief People Officer, effective March 13th. Amy brings over 25 years of experience in human capital management and will be stepping into this critical role as Justin Ford, our senior vice president, human resources, and head of people, retires.
Speaker 5: Further, our FinTech platform generated $179 million of gross processing volume, or GPV, for the quarter and $665 million of GPV for the year.
Speaker 5: On the infrastructure side, our prior approval supplement for Genomoto BioPharma Services remains on track, and we continue to anticipate potential approval in 2023. Once approved, Aji will serve as a fill-finish contract manufacturer, an important part of our supply chain, to meet the anticipated demand for Daxa5.
Mark J. Foley: Amy will build on the great work and progress that Justin and his team have made over the past six years. I'd like to thank Justin for his invaluable leadership in supporting our rapid growth as a company, attracting great talent, and shaping our inclusive and diverse workplace culture. In summary, I'm proud of all that we were able to accomplish in 2022, setting the stage for another exciting and important year. We look forward to growing our U.S. aesthetics franchise by successfully launching Daxify and driving deeper adoption of the RHA collection while also continuing to enhance our services offerings. At the same time, we are eagerly awaiting our first anticipated therapeutics approval and are actively preparing for our market entry. With that, I'll turn the call over to Dustin.
Speaker 5: Turning to Daxify, we are very pleased with the progress of our preview program, our Early Experience program, which kicked off in December and included approximately 400 practices.
Speaker 5: These select partners were extremely engaged and excited about the exclusive opportunity to be one of the first to experience Daxify.
Speaker 5: After being selected to participate in preview, many of them leveraged the busiest time of the year for aesthetic procedures to pre-schedule injection events to capitalize on the pent-up demand for this new innovation and to accelerate the opportunity to gain real-world clinical insights.
Speaker 5: We continue to be very encouraged by the high level engagement surrounding Daxify from both the preview group and our broader revamp partners. And with thousands of patients treated thus far, we feel very good about the feedback we received and are encouraged by the high interest among injectors and consumers to experience Daxify.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Thank you, Mark. I'm very pleased to see the progress our entire organization has made. Specifically, our strong sales results are underpinned by our commercial strategy and our consistent execution. Starting with the RHA collection, we saw strong demand in Q4, resulting from numerous training events in Nashville focused on the unique rheologic properties of the RHA collection, targeted consumer activation campaigns, and the benefit of RHA Redensity in further customer engagement and adoption. These efforts were also amplified by Daxify's approval and resulted in $34.8 million of revenue in Q4, up 46% from last year. For the year, total RHA sales were $107 million, up 51%.
Speaker 5: Since that is the first and only peptide stabilized neuromodulator, in addition to being the only aesthetic neuromodulator to receive US approval prior to any international or therapeutic approvals, preview is essential in delivering on our pre-launch objectives. Number one, delivering optimized outcomes for consumers.
Speaker 5: by generating real-world clinical experience with Daxify. Number two, enhance the injectors ability to switch patients to Daxify by ensuring seamless integration into the current practice routine.
Dustin S. Sjuts: The RHA collection is currently the fastest growing H.A. Filler brand in the competitive U.S. filler market. Our success is a function of both our targeted strategy and the uniqueness of the product. From the way it's manufactured to its performance profile, RHA offers injectors important versatility in treating a wide range of patient needs, and as a result, has become a product that can stand on its own independent of a neuromodulate
Speaker 5: Each are core to ensuring we understand how to best meet the needs of our practice partners and to unlock the true potential for Daxify. Unique to Revance, our commercial strategy is focused on the practice and provider first.
Speaker 5: We continue to believe that these providers have the power to drive consumer choice and ultimately the adoption of our portfolio.
Speaker 5: There's an increasing opportunity for Revant to shape provider behavior by pursuing a stronger and deeper partnership.
Dustin S. Sjuts: The approval and launch of Daxify will therefore introduce a new dynamic for the RHA collection. We're excited to begin seeing synergies from our differentiated suite of products and services. We ended the quarter with over 5,000 accounts across our Aesthetics portfolio. Additionally, our Fintech platform generated $179 million of gross processing volume, or GPV, for the quarter and $665 million of GPV for the year.
Speaker 5: To do this, our goal is to break the current product commoditization with our innovation.
Speaker 5: value proposition, and no advertising pricing policy, all designed to arm our partners with what they need to optimize aesthetic outcomes, and at the same time enhance their profitability.
Speaker 5: Picking the right partner at the right time is critical to accelerating the adoption of our portfolio within the highly competitive US aesthetics marketplace.
Dustin S. Sjuts: On the infrastructure side, our prior approval supplement for Genomoto Bioforma Services remains on track, and we continue to anticipate potential approval in 2023. Once approved, Aji will serve as a fill-finished contract manufacturer, an important part of our supply chain to meet the anticipated demand for Daxafai. Turning to Daxafide, we are very pleased with the progress of our preview program, our early experience program, which kicked off in December and included approximately 400 practices.
Speaker 5: With our deep versus wide strategy, we've leveraged our preview program first with the RHA collection and now it's Daxify. Following the completion of Daxify preview, we expect to kick off our Elite Partner Launch phase in late March.
Speaker 5: which focuses on a thoughtful rollout to existing customers, leveraging live training and education programs to be held at our Nashville headquarters.
Dustin S. Sjuts: These select partners were extremely engaged and excited about the exclusive opportunity to be one of the first to experience Dax of 5. After being selected to participate in the preview, many of them leveraged the busiest time of the year for aesthetic procedures to pre-schedule injection events to capitalize on the pent-up demand for this new innovation and accelerate the opportunity to gain real-world clinical insights. We continue to be very encouraged by the high-level engagement surrounding Daxify from both the preview group and our broader reference partners.
Speaker 5: Over the past two years, we've learned that our Nashville Experience Center has been a valuable and differentiated asset for driving early product adoption, strong customer engagement, and continued partnership.
Speaker 5: For this reason, NASH will remain central to our commercial strategy, and we are continuing to invest in expanding our training and education facilities to support our commercialization efforts.
Speaker 5: We plan to also augment our onboarding process by evaluating virtual training options as well as a forum for sharing best practice insights.
Speaker 5: To further capitalize on our market opportunity across the aesthetics portfolio, we are on our way to adding approximately 50 additional sales roles in late Q1, early Q2, with the expectation that they will be productive by Q3.
Dustin S. Sjuts: And with thousands of patients treated thus far, we feel very good about the feedback we've received and are encouraged by the high interest among injectors and consumers to experience Daxify. Since Staxify is the first and only peptide-stabilized neuromodulator, in addition to being the only aesthetic neuromodulator to receive U.S. approval prior to any international or therapeutic approval,
Speaker 5: Throughout the rollout of Daxify, we expect to adhere to our strategy of building meaningful partnerships with our customers by going deep into accounts versus wide in order to optimize product adoption and penetration.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Preview is essential in delivering on our pre-launch objective, Number one, delivering optimized outcomes for consumers by generating real-world clinical experience with Daxafi. Number two, enhance the injector's ability to switch patients to Daxify by ensuring seamless integration into their current practice routine. Each is core to ensuring we understand how to best meet the needs of our practice partners and unlock the true potential for Daxafi. Unique to Revance, our commercial strategy is focused on the practice and provider first.
Speaker 5: As you may know, there are roughly over 40,000 aesthetic practices in the U.S. and no shortage of new entrants.
Speaker 5: and not all accounts behave the same. Pathesthetic launch experience, coupled with our learnings of the RHA collection, prove our greatest return is from targeted accounts that are willing to quickly switch patients to our product portfolio and align with our broader prestige value proposition versus the large number of accounts.
Speaker 5: that focus on sampling, dabbling, or primarily making decisions driven by deal-of-the-day pricing programs. This approach aligns with RPC strategy, optimizes our leverage, and unlocks our ability to scale. We are looking forward to furthering our track record of success in commercial execution with our introduction of DAXIFI and the continued growth of our comprehensive revance aesthetics portfolio. With that, I'll turn the call over to Toby to cover our fourth quarter in full-year financials.
Dustin S. Sjuts: We continue to believe that these providers have the power to drive consumer choice and ultimately the adoption of our portfolio. There's an increasing opportunity for us to shape provider behavior by pursuing a stronger and deeper partnership. To do this, our goal is to break the current product commoditization with our innovation, value proposition, and no advertising pricing policy, all designed to arm our partners with what they need to optimize aesthetic outcomes and, at the same time, enhance their profitability.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Dustin. Total revenue for the fourth quarter 2022 was $49.9 million, representing a 92% increase from the same period last year due to increased sales of the RHA collection and sales of DAXify during the preview program.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Picking the right partner at the right time is critical to accelerating the adoption of our portfolio within the highly competitive U.S. aesthetics marketplace. With our deep versus wide strategy, we've leveraged our preview program, first with the RHA collection, and now with Daxify. Following the completion of Daxify preview, we expect to kick off our elite partner launch phase in late March, which focuses on a thoughtful rollout to existing customers, leveraging live training and education programs to be held at our Nashville headquarters.
Speaker 5: Total revenue for the full year 2022 was $132.6 million, representing a 70% increase from the same period last year, primarily due to higher RHA collection sales.
Speaker 5: Revenue for the fourth quarter included $34.8 million of RHA collection revenue, $11 million of DAXFI revenue, $2.9 million of service revenue, and $1.2 million of collaboration revenue.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Over the past two years, we've learned that our Nashville Experience Center has been a valuable and differentiated asset for driving early product adoption, strong customer engagement, and continued partnerships. For this reason, Nashville remains central to our commercial strategy, and we are continuing to invest in expanding our training and education facility to support our commercialization. We plan to also augment our onboarding process by evaluating virtual training options, as well as a forum for sharing best practice insights.
Speaker 5: Before I cover our operating expenses, I'd like to take note of a few items on our cost of product revenue.
Speaker 6: Recall, in accordance with GAAP, that we have been expensing manufacturing costs related to DAXify as a period R&D item until the product is approved.
Speaker 6: When our prior approval inventory is used, we expect our cost of product revenue for DAXify to increase.
Dustin S. Sjuts: To further capitalize on our market opportunity across the aesthetics portfolio, we are on our way to adding approximately 50 additional sales roles in late Q1, early Q2, with the expectation that they will be productive by Q3. Throughout the rollout of Daxify, we expect to adhere to our strategy of building meaningful partnerships with our customers by going deep into accounts versus wide in order to optimize product adoption and print iteration. As you may know, there are roughly 40,000 aesthetic practices in the U.S. and no shortage of new entrants, and not all practices behave the same.
Speaker 6: In addition, our cost of product revenue for the fourth quarter reflected an increase in the purchase price of the RHA collection associated with a one-time charge for 2022 and other manufacturing, royalty, and distribution costs related to DAXify.
Speaker 6: Turning to OPEX, GAAP OPEX for the fourth quarter and full year 2022 were $194.3 million and $474.5 million respectively compared to $87.6 million.
Speaker 6: and $352.5 million for the same period in 2021.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Past aesthetic launch experience, coupled with our learnings from the RHA collection, prove our greatest return is from targeted accounts that are willing to quickly switch patients to our product portfolio and align with our broader prestige value proposition versus the large number of accounts that focus on sampling, dabbling, or primarily making decisions driven by Deal of the Day pricing programs. This approach aligns with our prestige strategy, optimizes our leverage, and unlocks our ability to scale.
Speaker 6: GAAP-OPX for the year exceeded our previously announced guidance range of $375 to $400 million, primarily due to two non-cash charges that were recorded in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6: The first charge was an impairment loss to our services segment of $69.8 million. The charge resulted from a reduction in the internal segment forecast and growth rates driven by the performance of the service segment and the delay in the development of certain platform features and functionalities.
Dustin S. Sjuts: We are looking forward to furthering our track record of success in commercial execution with our introduction of Daxify and the continued growth of our comprehensive Revance aesthetics portfolio. With that, I'll turn the call over to Toby to cover our fourth quarter and full year financial results. Thank you, Dustin.
Speaker 6: The analysis also reflected the decrease in current valuation of the broader payment sector. The second charge was a one-time accelerated amortization expense of $11.7 million for our legacy HintMD developed technology asset.
Tobin C. Schilke: and a 92% increase.
Tobin C. Schilke: from the same period last year due to increased sales of the RHA collection and sales of Daxify during the preview program. Total revenue for the full year
Speaker 6: Excluding the cost of revenue depreciation, amortization, stock-based compensation, and our impairment charge, non-GAAP OPEX were $72.8 million for the fourth quarter and $267 million for the year.
Tobin C. Schilke: The budget for the year 2022 was $132 million, representing a 70% increase from the same.
Tobin C. Schilke: period last year, primarily due to higher RHA collection sales. Revenue for the fourth quarter included $34.8 million of RHA collection revenue, and $11 million in
Speaker 6: which was in line with the midpoint of our previously announced guidance range of $260 to $280 million. While we recognize an impairment charge to our services segment, we continue to believe that services offerings such as OPAL will further enhance our competitive positioning and align with our prestige market strategy.
Tobin C. Schilke: of Daxify revenue, $2.9 million of service revenue, and $1.4.5 million.
Tobin C. Schilke: $2 million in collaboration revenue. Before I cover our operating expenses, I'd like to take note of a few items on our cost of product revenue. Recall, in accordance with GAAP, that we have been expensing manufacturing costs related to Daxify as a period R&D item until the product is approved. When our prior approval inventory is used, we expect our cost of product revenue for Daxify to increase. In addition, our cost of product revenue for the fourth quarter reflected an increase in the purchase price of the RHA collection.
Speaker 6: Looking ahead, we expect our 2023 gap OPEX to be $460 to $480 million and non-gap OPEX, which excludes cost of revenue, depreciation, amortization, and stock-based compensation to be $320 to $340 million.
Tobin C. Schilke: A one-time charge for 2022
Tobin C. Schilke: and other manufacturing, royalty, and distribution costs related to Daxify. Turning to OPEX, Gap OPEX for the fourth quarter and full year
Speaker 6: including sales team expansion, DAXify and RHA commercial investments, and biosimilar partnership investments.
Tobin C. Schilke: In full year 2022, $194.3 million and $474.5 million, respectively, compared to $877.6 million and $352.5 million for the same period in 2021.
Speaker 6: Turning to our balance sheet, we took important steps to strengthen our financial position and our flexibility over the course of the year through strategic financing.
Speaker 6: We ended Q4 with $340.7 million in cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments.
Tobin C. Schilke: Gap OpX for the year exceeded our previously announced guidance range of $375 to $400 million, primarily due to
Speaker 6: As we previously indicated with our current cash position, the committed $100 million Tranche Dollar Tranche 2 purchasing agreement and our anticipated revenues and expenditures, we believe our U.S. aesthetics portfolio will be funded to break even.
Tobin C. Schilke: primarily due to two non-cash charges that were recorded in the fourth quarter. The first charge was an impairment loss on our services segment of $69.8 million.
Tobin C. Schilke: The chart resulted from a reduction in internal segment forecasts and growth rates.
Speaker 6: Finally, Revance's shares of common stock outstanding as of February 16, 2023 were approximately $83 million with 92 million fully diluted shares, excluding the impact of convertible back.
Tobin C. Schilke: rates, driven by the performance of the service segment and the delay in the development of certain platform features and functionalities.
Tobin C. Schilke: The analysis also reflected the decrease in the current valuation of the broader payment sector. The second charge was a one-time accelerated amortization expense of 11.
Speaker 6: And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Mark. Thank you Toby.
Speaker 4: In closing, I'd like to take this opportunity to express my deep appreciation to the entire Revance organization for all their hard work and dedication in getting us to this important point in the company's history.
Tobin C. Schilke: $7. for Legacy HintmD Develop Technology Assets. This expense was associated with the sunset of the platform following the
Speaker 4: We continue to believe that we have the potential to annually deliver at least $1 billion of revenue over time in the U.S. aesthetic market with the assets we've assembled, and that Dactify will be the cornerstone for our revenue growth.
Tobin C. Schilke: migration of customers to Oval, excluding the costs of revenue depreciation, amortization, and stock-based compensation.
Tobin C. Schilke: and our impairment charge. Non-gap OPEX was $72.8 million for the fourth quarter and $267 million for the year, which was in line with the midpoint of our previously announced guidance range of $260 to $280 million. While we recognize an impairment charge to our services segment, we continue to believe that services offering
We look forward to another eventful year as we launch Dacify into the US aesthetics market and begin our journey into therapeutics. With that, I will now open the call up for questions. Operator,
Certainly. Again, as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. David Ensohn with Piper Sandler, your line is open.
Tobin C. Schilke: Services offerings such as Opel will further enhance our competitive positioning and align with our prestige market strategy. Looking ahead, we expect our 2023 Gap OpX to be $460 to $480 million.
Thanks, can you guys hear me? Can you hear me? Okay, perfect. Thank you. So yeah, just a couple. So first, as you are thinking about the landscape for DAXify, can you just talk about how you're thinking about the evolution?
Tobin C. Schilke: and non-gap effects, which excludes
Tobin C. Schilke: includes costs of revenue, depreciation, amortization, and stock-based compensation to be 320
of pricing, particularly to the extent that we see another entry that's the HuGel product. How are you thinking about that? I know you're thinking about the exercise more in the prestige practice arena, HuGel is looking at it differently, but how are you thinking about competitive dynamics in particular?
Tobin C. Schilke: to $340 million. Our 2023 Non-GAP Research and Development,
Tobin C. Schilke: Research and Development expenses are expected to be $80 to $90 million.
Tobin C. Schilke: Our guidance for non-gap OPEX primarily reflects increased investments in our aesthetics commercial infrastructure, including sales team expansion, Daxify, and R-AXify, and R-AWP.
pricing. So that's number one. And then secondly, it might be an obvious question, but to the extent that we see sort of a bounce back at some point in the filler space, what does that mean for RHA in terms of its trajectory considering you've been at least...
Tobin C. Schilke: Daxify and RHA commercial investments and biosimilar partnership investments. Turning to our balance sheet, we took important steps to strengthen our financial position and our flexibility over the course of the year through strategic financing. We ended Q4 with $340.7 million in cash.
So far, fairly insulated from the headwinds. Can you talk about that? Thank you.
Tobin C. Schilke: and cash equivalence, and short-term investments.
Sure. First on your question about evolution of pricing and as other competitors come into the market, how do we think about that interplay? We've taken a little bit of a differentiated approach from the standpoint that we've got transparent pricing. We don't bind anybody to contracts. They, at the time of their purchase, can decide which of the tiers they want to purchase.
Tobin C. Schilke: as we previously indicated with our current cast position, the committed 100 million.
Tobin C. Schilke: million dollar tranche, dollar tronch two, a
Tobin C. Schilke: Purchasing Agreement and our anticipated revenues and expenditures, we believe our U.S. aesthetics portfolio will be funded to break even. Finally, Revance's shares of common stock outstanding as of February 16, 2023 were approximately 83 million with 92 million fully diluted shares, excluding the impact of convertible debt.
We heard this from practices when we were talking to them about what would they like to see from a partnership perspective. We've done that with our RHA product line. We've also launched Daxify with that same sort of pricing tier. And as a reminder, we have a no-advertise pricing policy. So we're trying to find ways that we can break the commoditization of the facial injectable market.
Mark J. Foley: And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Mark.
Tobin C. Schilke: And with that,
Mark J. Foley: In closing, I'd like to take this opportunity to express my deep appreciation to the entire revamps organization for all their hard work and dedication in getting us to this important point in the company's history. We continue to believe that we have the potential to annually deliver at least $1 billion of revenue over time in the U.S. aesthetic market with the assets we've assembled and that Daxify will be the cornerstone for our revenue growth. We look forward to another eventful year as we launch Dactify into the U.S. aesthetics market and begin our journey into therapeutics.
We're going after those accounts that again, don't necessarily depend on driving patient volume solely on price, and that appreciate the ability to offer premium products and differentiation. So we don't necessarily see the introduction of new competitors in our market in terms of changing our philosophy.
Operator: With that, I will now open the call up for questions. Operator? Certainly. Again, as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone. David Ensland. Piper Sandler, your line is open.
There's already a price segment in the market that exists, and thus far, we feel like the strategy that we've taken and the ability to offer consumers with a differentiated product offering and practices an opportunity to recapture some additional margin is the right strategy. Of course, we'll continue to be mindful of the market dynamics, but
David A. Amsellem: Thanks, can you guys hear me? Hey, can you hear me?
unknown: Sorry about that. Okay, perfect. Thank you. So, yeah, just a couple. So first, as you're thinking about the landscape for Daxify, can you just talk about how you're thinking about the evolution of pricing, particularly to the extent that we see another entry, that is, the Huge L product, how you're thinking about that. I know you're thinking about the next step to find more in the prestige practice arena. Maybe Hugo is looking at it differently, but how are you thinking about, you know, competitive dynamics and, particularly, pricing?
Now that we also have taxifying the market, we have the ability to create some additional programs tied to our broader product portfolio. So we'll continue to evaluate that. But our strategy at launch is very similar to what we've done with the RHA product line. In terms of the bounce back in the filler space, we continue to get asked on each call whether or not we're seeing any macro economic impact in our business. And thus far we haven't. And again, we are.
targeted or very focused on a much smaller group of providers. And thus far we have not seen an impact of the economy on the facial injectable usage in the accounts that we're calling on. We continue to monitor that. Certainly it's possible we could face that sometime in the future. But a bounce back to us given that we're not seeing really an impact in terms of volumes in the account.
Mark J. Foley: So far, fairly insulated from the headwinds. Can you talk about that? Thank you. Sure. So first, on your question about the evolution of pricing and, you know, as other competitors come into the market, how do we think about that interplay? You know, we've taken a little bit of a differentiated approach from the standpoint that we've got, you know, transparent pricing. We don't bind anybody to a contract.
Hi, this is Roger on for Chris. So our question kind of pertains to the patient volume mix that you are seeing and anticipate in the future. You mentioned earlier that the greatest amount of value you guys are deriving is coming from practices that are willing to switch quickly as opposed to those with more capturing deal of the day type events. So I'm going to go ahead and
Mark J. Foley: They, at the time of their purchase, can decide which of the tiers they want to purchase. And we heard this from practices when we were talking to them about, you know, what they would like to see from a partnership perspective. We've done that with our RHA product line. We've also launched Dactify with that same sort of pricing tier. And as a reminder, we have a no advertised pricing policy.
So, as you think about the future, do you think the dynamics are going to influence that in terms of you'll be focusing more on patients who are switching from Botox, or how do you think about capturing the patients who are new starters? I think that, Roger, our strategy, as we've articulated before, has really targeted that prestige segment. More critical and innovative cable integration atB investi fountain to enhance the Honestyscful Thrity System with five because that's how you include all of that clothing that's going on outside.
Mark J. Foley: So we're trying to find ways that we can break the commoditization of the facial injectable market and put the injector back at the center and let them have a discussion with their patient about what's the best outcome for their patient, less driven by necessarily price and more about the outcome. And David, as you pointed out, we're very focused on this prestige strategy, which doesn't have to be everything to everybody.
Mark J. Foley: We're going after those accounts that, again, don't necessarily depend on driving patient volume solely on price and that appreciate the ability to offer premium products and differentiation. So we don't necessarily see the introduction of new competitors into the market in terms of changing our philosophy. There's already, you know, a price segment in the market that exists, and thus far, we feel that the strategy that we've taken and the ability to offer are good. Offering consumers a differentiated product offering and practice and an opportunity to recapture some additional margin is the right strategy.
focused on targeting those injector accounts that we believe are aligned with our strategy. And so ours is less about going out and trying to capture consumers, but more about treating the consumers that reside in those prestige practices.
We believe strongly that these leading injectors and practices heavily influence the choice that these consumers make when they come into the practices. So the profile of consumer that we're going to end up switching over to Daxify is going to be reflected in who the existing consumers are that are already within those practices. There's no doubt that anytime new innovation comes into the market, it sparks a new market.
Mark J. Foley: Of course, we'll continue to be mindful of the market dynamics, but now that we also have Daxify in the market, we have the ability to create some additional programs tied to our broader product portfolio. So we'll continue to evaluate that. But our strategy at launch is very similar to what we did with the RHA product line.
Mark J. Foley: In terms of the bounce back in the filler space, you know, we continue to get asked on each call whether or not we're seeing any macro economic impacts in our business. And thus far, we haven't. And again, we are targeted or very focused on a much smaller group of providers. And thus far, we have not seen an impact of the economy on facial injectable usage in the accounts that we're calling on.
that that's an option that they provide.
Mark J. Foley: And we continue to monitor that. Certainly, it's possible we could face that sometime in the future. But, you know, a bounce back to us, given that we're not seeing really an impact in terms of volumes in the account, I'm not sure, would have a meaningful impact on us at this point. Okay, thank you. Great, thanks, David. Chris Shibu Kani with Goldman Sachs, your line is
Sheamus Fernandez with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.
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might need to go to the next person and come back to Shanas.
Chris Shibutani: Hi, this is Roger On behalf of Chris. So our question kind of pertains to the patient volume mix that you're seeing and anticipate in the future. You mentioned earlier that the greatest amount of value you guys are deriving is coming from, you know, practices that are willing to switch quickly as opposed to those with more, you know, capturing deal of the day type events. So as you think about the future, do you think the dynamics are going to influence that in terms of you'll be focusing more on patients who are switching from Botox, or how do you think about, you know, capturing the patients So I think that, you know, Roger.
Hi, thanks for taking my question. I guess going back to the last question, I guess going back to the last question,
Annabelle Simimi with STIFL. Your line is open. Hi, thanks for taking my question. So I guess going back to I guess the...
strategy of going deeper as opposed to wider. So I guess we've spoken the past and you mentioned that could be a potential headwind. Do you really see that as a headwind if you're going to be going deeper on these accounts?
First of all, and second, then you mentioned also that in the, you started getting orders, you've got orders from the 400.
Dustin S. Sjuts: So I think that, you know, Roger, our strategy, as we've articulated before, is really targeting that prestige segment. We've said of the 40,000 accounts that we estimate in the U.S. that do facial injectables, that, you know, about a third of those really fit into our strategy. As of the end of Q4, we said that we were in roughly 5,000 accounts out of that, call it, you know, 12 to 1
Have you started seeing reorders from them? And you also mentioned maybe some other partners, so have people started ordering outside of this preview yet because of some level of desire to get ahead of the whole Daxi trend? So maybe you can just start with that. Sure. The Daxi versus wider strategy is something that we...
Dustin S. Sjuts: So we are very focused on targeting those injector accounts that we believe are aligned with our strategy. And so ours is less about going out and trying to capture consumers but more about treating the consumers that reside in those prestige practices. We believe strongly that, you know, these leading injectors and practices heavily influence the choice that these consumers make when they come into the practices. So the profile of the consumer that we're going to end up switching over to Daxify is going to be reflected in who the existing consumers are. that are already within those practices.
successful and that again we can drive stickiness and so that's been a long-term part of our prestige strategy and so that's very consistent with what we plan to do with Daxify and as we've stated previously we plan to target those accounts that we have an existing RHA relationship with first because we have a relationship with them and we think anytime you're introducing a new product making sure that that onboarding process is robust, engaged and...
Dustin S. Sjuts: There's no doubt that any time new innovation comes into the market, it sparks and stirs consumer interest. But we would think that the practices that provide Daxify are going to end up getting a number of new patients that come in because they've heard about it. But again, our strategy is much more focused on arming these practices with all the information they need to provide a really good experience and outcome with Daxify and to let consumers know that that's an option that they provide. So it's a good idea
Operator: Ms. Fernandez with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open. James, can you hear us? Seamus Fernandez with Google Home Security, your line is open. You might need to go to the next person and come back to Seamus. Annabel, with Stiefel, your line is open.
some of those learnings and make tweaks or modifications to the information that we share. And so we're very pleased with how Preview is going, the learnings that we have, and we continue to be very much on target for our overall launch plan and strategy. With regards to the, and I don't know that we've ever said that that's a headwind, I just think that that's always been the strategy.
and fits very well in that prestige of targeting those accounts. With regards to the preview, as you're aware, we rolled out the preview program to approximately 400 accounts in December . These accounts are accounts that were very anxious and eager to get Daxify, had a lot of patients ready to use the product when they brought it in, and we certainly had a fair bit of reorders on those accounts.
Annabel Eva Samimy: Hi, thanks for taking my question. So I guess going back to, I guess the strategy of going deeper as opposed to wider. So I guess we spoke in the past, and you mentioned that could be a potential headwind. Do you really see that as a headwind if you're going to be going deeper in these accounts? Um, first of all, and second, you mentioned also that in the you started getting orders; you've got orders from the 400 participants in the Preview, have you started seeing reorders from them?
But it's really provided that platform for learning and education to inform the broader market launch, which we plan to roll out again in late March.
But it's really provided that platform for learning and education to inform the broader market launch, which we plan to roll out again in late March. All right, and will you be giving us reorder minutes?
going forward? We haven't historically done that with REJ. We've talked more about account side of it. We're very early in that side of it. And so we'll continue to assess what we think makes sense as we have more data to inform that process. But if we look at what we've historically done, we've given the number of accounts that we have from an aesthetics portfolio.
Annabel Eva Samimy: And you also mentioned maybe some other partners, so people started ordering outside of this Preview yet because of some level of desire to get ahead of the whole Daxi trend. So maybe you can just start with that.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Sure, the deeper versus wider strategy is something that we've been very consistent with going back to the RHA. If you look at it, the onboarding pace of new customers on the RHA fillers has been pretty consistent over time where we've added roughly 500 new accounts per quarter, all with the goal of making sure that when we introduce somebody to our products, they get trained the right way, they get the right information to be successful, and that, again, we can drive stickiness. And so that's been a long-term part of our prestige. Strategy.
questions I can switch to therapeutic. So obviously you're going to be approaching potential approval this year. Can you talk about some of the commercial and specifically player efforts that you have underway on how you will be I guess pitching a premium product to market that doesn't always use logic and pharmacnemics when they're making their ancestors.
Dustin S. Sjuts: And so that's very consistent with what we plan to do with Daxify. And as we've stated previously, we plan to target those accounts that we have an existing RHA relationship with first because we have a relationship with them. And we think anytime you're introducing a new product, making sure that that onboarding process is robust and engaging, and that we are working to get it integrated into the practice versus just the sampling thing is the right strategy.
So if you could just help us understand how this will play out. Absolutely. Yeah, we tried to cover some of that in our prepared comments. So, you know, with our PDUFA date in August this year, our hope is that we'll get approved on our PDUFA date and we will launch something very similar to the preview program that we've done with RHA and with Daxify, all with this goal of trying to really figure out what's going to be the best way to drive depth and penetration. And this will give us an opportunity to...
Dustin S. Sjuts: And so if you look at our preview program, it was really designed to give us additional insights into practice integration, clinical outcomes, real word usage so that when we did go to full commercial launch, which we will kick off later this quarter towards the end of March, we can take some of those learnings and make tweaks or modifications to the information that we share. And so we're very pleased with how preview is going, the learnings that we have, and we continue to be very much on target for our overall launch plan and strategy.
engage with payers, it'll give us an opportunity to get a lot of real world clinical use. Obviously, there's a compelling value proposition to be made with a longer lasting toxin in these debilitating conditions. And we think this collective body of information will help inform our, you know, the details of our go-to-market strategy and probably more importantly even.
Dustin S. Sjuts: With regard to the, and I don't know that we've ever said that that's a headwind; I just think that, you know, that's always been the strategy and fits very well with that prestige of targeting those accounts. With regard to the preview, as you know, we rolled out the preview program to approximately 400 accounts in December. These accounts are accounts that were very anxious and eager to get Daxify, and had a lot of patients ready to use the product when they brought it in.
launch strategy.
Thank you. Seamus Fernandez with Guggenheim Security, your line is open. Oh, great. Thanks so much. And sorry for the miss earlier. Just a couple of quick questions. I was just hoping that –
Dustin S. Sjuts: And we've certainly had a fair bit of reorders on those accounts, but it's really provided that platform for learning and education to inform the broader market launch, which we plan to roll out again in late March.
if you might, obviously the consensus after the impressive fourth quarter uptake, that I think really surprised relative to expectations. Maybe it surprised you guys as well. But, you know, wanted to just get a sense, obviously consensus numbers have risen.
Annabel Eva Samimy: Right, and will you be giving us reorder measures going forward?
You know, what is your comfort with, you know, sort of the revenue range that sits out there today? I think given the initial uptake, there definitely is a bias to get quite excited about that early launch trajectory. Just wanted to get a better sense of how to think about, you know, I guess, as some would say the rhythm of the numbers. P complaining that for every suits.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Well, we haven't historically done that with RHA. We've talked more about the account side of it. We're very early on that side of it, and so we'll continue to assess what we think makes sense as we have more data to inform that process. But, you know, if we look at what we've historically done, we have given the number of accounts that we have from an aesthetic portfolio standpoint. So I think that's a good baseline.
as we move through the balance of the year. And maybe if you could just provide a little context on the importance of Aji really coming online and the timing of Aji coming online to the contribution to the revenue potential for DAXI this year.
Dustin S. Sjuts: And then as we get more information, but we're super early, we really like what we're seeing, and it's very consistent with the strategy that we've mapped out. And so as we have information that we think is relevant going forward, we'll look to share that.
Annabel Eva Samimy: Okay, and then one last question, if I can switch the therapeutics, please. So obviously, you're going to be approaching potential approval this year. Can you talk about some of the commercial and specifically player efforts that you have underway on how you will be, I guess, pitching a premium product to the market that doesn't always make sense in pharmac economics when they're making their access decisions? So if you could just help us.
Yeah, thanks, James. It's hard, obviously, to give guidance at this point. We're two months into our preview launch, and so it's very early. But there's nothing that we've seen in the preview launch strategy that changes our optimism for the opportunity going forward for our strategy.
kind of take a step back and we look at it. We've talked about the fact that we think with the collection of assets that we have in the aesthetics franchise, that between our RHA, DAXify and services segment that we can get to a billion dollars of revenue in the US aesthetics market. So we feel very good about where we are in that journey. It's just, it's hard to give any guidance right now, given that we are so early in this journey. What I will tell you is that we have,
Mark J. Foley: Absolutely. Yeah, we tried to cover some of that in our prepared comments. So, you know, with our Padufa date in August this year, our hope is that we'll get approved on our Padufa date, and we will launch something very similar to the preview program that we did with RHA and with Daxify, all with this goal of trying to really figure out what's going to be the best way to drive depth and penetration.
a significant number of accounts who are very interested in getting trained and getting onboarded with Daxify. And we know that they have within those practices, a number of consumers who are very interested in getting Daxify treatment. And that's before, we've really amplified the awareness that's out there. So we feel like we're very well positioned in the preview program. We've been encouraged by the learnings that we've had and the experience that we've seen from both the injectors and from the consumers.
Mark J. Foley: And this will give us an opportunity to engage with payers. It'll give us an opportunity to get a lot of real-world clinical use. Obviously, there's a compelling value proposition to be made with a longer-lasting toxin in these debilitating conditions.
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: And we think this collective body of information will help inform our, you know, the details of our go-to-market strategy and, probably more importantly, even our pipeline strategy in terms of what other, you know, trials we invest in from an indication expansion perspective. And so we'll learn a lot through our preview phase later this year, assuming approval, and then we'll use that to inform. our 2024 commercial launch strategy. Seamus Fernandez with Guggenheim Security, your line is open. Oh, great. Thanks so much and sorry for the late submission earlier.
I just think it's a little early for us to give any commentary about how we feel about guidance, given where we are in that phase. On the OGI side, you know, we've long talked about what our supply chain strategy is. Newer California, where we make both our drug substance and limited drug product, we said is not configured to meet the expected demand of Daxify. So we early on...
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: Just, you know, a couple of quick questions. I was just hoping that, if you might, the consensus after the, you know, impressive fourth quarter uptake, which I think really surprised relative to expectations. Maybe it surprised you guys as well.
signed a partnership with Aji Namodo down in San Diego as a fill finish contract manufacturer.
The post approval supplement was filed in 2022. We feel very good about where we are in that process and approval in 2023. They have been making product all along the journey prior to their approval. We do need them to come online in 2023, but we feel very good about where they are in that process today.
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: But, you know, wanted to just get a sense. Obviously, the consensus numbers have risen. And, you know, what is your comfort level with, you know, sort of the revenue range that sits out there today? I think, given the initial uptake, there definitely is a bias to get quite excited about that early launch trajectory. Just wanted to get a better sense of how to think about, you know, I guess that some would say the rhythm of the numbers as we move through the balance of the year.
We feel very good about where we're positioned right now. We've got a fair bit of inventory that we built in advance of our approval in the Newark site, and we also feel good about where IG is in terms of their process as well. Great. If I could just ask a follow-up question. If you don't mind, could you just provide maybe a little bit of color on
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: And maybe if you could just provide a little context on the importance of Aji really coming online and the timing of Aji coming online as a contribution to, you know, the revenue potential for Daxi this year. Yeah, thanks, Seamus.
Mark J. Foley: You know, it's hard, obviously, to give guidance at this point. We're, what, two-quarters or two months into our preview launch, and so it's very early. But, you know, there's nothing that we've seen in the preview launch strategy that, you know, changes our optimism for the opportunity going forward or our strategy. And, you know, if we kind of take a step back and we look at it, we talked about the fact that, with the collection of assets that we have in the aesthetics franchise, that, between our R. DAXify and service segments, we can get to a billion dollars So we feel very good about where we are on that journey. It's just, it's hard to give any guidance right now, given that we are so early on this journey.
going forward? Sure, so let me start with the second part, the unity unit. So on the unity unit side, if you look at our labeled indication for globular line treatment, it's 40 units of a taxi in the globala, which is the indicated dose, and that has a core amount of active neurotoxin and a .18 nanogram. And if you compare that to example for Botox.
Mark J. Foley: What I can tell you is that we have, you know, a significant number of accounts who are very interested in getting trained and getting onboarded with daxify, and we know that they have, within those practices, a number of consumers who are very interested in getting daxified treatment. And that's before, you know, we've really amplified the awareness that's out there. So we feel like we're very well positioned in the preview program. We've been encouraged by the learnings that we've had and the experience that we've seen from both the injectors and from the consumers.
their labeled indication for GlivR lines is 20 units, which also has 0.18 nanograms. What we had seen in practices is that they are looking to deliver basically the same amount of core neurotoxin that they're used to with other neuromodulators. If you compare it again to the market leader, we're about a two to one. If you look at our pricing of two vials to every one vial of the market leader,
We believe our pricing probably to the practice comes in at anywhere from maybe a 10% premium to a 40% premium depending on where they are, are two vials to their one vial. And that depends on what they buy for and what level they buy. We've got four different levels that practices can buy at.
Mark J. Foley: So I just think it's a little early for us to give any commentary about how we feel about guidance, given where we are in that phase. On the AGI side, you know, we've long talked about what our supply chain strategy is.
Mark J. Foley: Newark, California, where we make both our drug substance and limited drug product, is not configured to meet the expected demand for Daxify. So we early on signed a partnership with Aginamoto down in San Diego as a fill-finished contract manufacturer. The post-approval supplement was filed in 2022. We feel very good about where we are in that process and approval in 2023. They have been making product all along the journey prior to their approval.
with our product and it has to do with the volume that they purchase at any given point in time. And so our internal ASP will fluctuate based on the mix of how these practices buy. But it's the same pricing for everybody based on how they choose to buy. And again, that volume purchase is gonna vary probably on a quarterly basis. Okay, great. If I could just ask one final question.
As we think about the sort of opportunity in therapeutics, how do you expect sort of the launch in therapeutics to compare to the launch in aesthetics? I presume it will be quite a bit slower, a little bit more paced than aesthetics.
Mark J. Foley: We do need them to come online in 2023, but we feel very good about where they are in that process to date. We've also signed an agreement with Liopilization Services of New England because we believe that in order to meet the longer-term demand, we're going to need them to come online as well.
I just wanted to get maybe a little bit of color on how you're thinking about the uptake in the therapeutic market. I'll jump back into Keith. Sure, yeah, I've got Dustin here with me. Maybe I'll throw that one over to him. Yeah, I think there'll be a lot of similarities in terms of how we look at learning from our providers in that space and ensuring that we have the key opinion leaders aligned with key clinical insights. Like the cervical dystonia, we've got a lot of different ways to do that.
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: to come online in 2025, and we continue to be encouraged by the progress that they're making. So we feel very good about where we're positioned right now. We've got, you know, a fair bit of inventory that we built in advance of our approval at the Newark site, and we also feel good about where AGI is in terms of their process as well. Great, and if I could just ask a follow-up question, if you don't mind, could you just provide maybe a little bit of color on where the ASP is and, you know, sort of the unit-to-unit And if you can continue to provide updates with regard to where the ASP sits on a relative basis going forward. Sure, so maybe I'll start with the second part, the unit to unit comparison.
or excuse me, different dosages, different treatment intervals. And I think we'll use our preview strategy similarly in cervical dystonia to kind of leverage those. I think what's unique about, obviously, therapeutics, but specifically cervical dystonia, is obviously the use is fairly concentrated, right? So we'll be able to get it in the hands of the KOLs early in preview, build that data set that's required to continue to kind of increase.
Mark J. Foley: So on the unit to unit side, if you look at our labeled indication for glabella line treatment, it's 40 units of dachsy in the glabella, which is the indicated dose, and that has a core amount of active neurotoxin of 0.18 nanograms. And if you compare that to, for example, Botox, their labeled indication for glubular lines is 20 units, which And so what we have seen in practice is that they are.
Mark J. Foley: are looking to deliver basically the same amount of core neurotoxin that they're used to with other neuromodulators. And so if you compare it again to the market leader, we're about a two to one. If you look at our pricing of, you know, two vials to every one vial of the market leader, we believe our pricing probably comes in at anywhere from maybe a 10% premium to a 40% premium, depending on where they are, our two vials to their one vial.
is open. Hi, thanks for taking our questions and congratulations on the progress. So our first question is around the very early, any anecdotal feedback. We understand it's very early, but we appreciate any commentary from the preview program clinicians. We know it's still early for longevity, but any specific commentary.
Mark J. Foley: On the on the on the and that, you know, depends on what they buy for and what level they buy. We've got four different levels that practices can buy at with our product, and it has to do with the volume that they purchase at any given point in time, and so our internal ASP will fluctuate based on the mix of how these practices buy, but it's the same price for everybody based on how they choose to buy, and again, that Maybe I could just ask one final question.
on the onset of efficacy or aesthetic feel, pre-hate some details. And then for the second question, we're wondering if you could add any additional details regarding the pacing on how you'll get to each level of aesthetic accounts.
Maybe provide some timing or metrics around how you'll expand focus from the 5,000 account to the target 10,000 to 15,000 potential asset accounts. What are the logistics as you move through the initial goals of demand? Thank you. Thank you.
Seamus Christopher Fernandez: As we think about the, you know, sort of opportunity in therapeutics, how do you expect the launch in therapeutics to compare to the launch in aesthetics? I presume it'll be, you know, quite a bit slower, a little bit more slow-paced than aesthetics, but just wanted to get maybe a little bit of color on how you're thinking about the uptake in the therapeutics market, and I'll jump back in. Thank you. Thanks. I've got Dustin here with me; maybe I'll throw that one over to him.
So Stacy on the anecdotal feedback, we've been very encouraged by what we're hearing from the injectors and from the patients. You know, as you pointed out, we are early. We're two months into the preview program, and so it's probably early to get any duration feedback per se, but
Thus far, the patient response has been very consistent with what we would expect and what we've seen in the clinical trials. Given the size and the scope of our clinical trial program and some of the phase two work that we've done in the area, we would expect that to be very representative of what we're seeing. Again, it's early, but we're encouraged. We just continue to reinforce that the strategy we've put in place is the right strategy.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Yeah, I think there'll be a lot of similarities in terms of how we look at learning from our providers in that space and ensuring that we have the key opinion leaders aligned with key clinical insights. So, like cervical dystonia, we will have a preview launch period, which will allow KOLs to kind of hone in on what is that retreatment interval that they'd like to bring back that cervical dystonia patient. As you know, with that disease state, there's a variety of disease progressions that also participate in different units, different, or excuse me, different dosages, different treatment intervals.
In terms of the pacing and the timing and the metrics, we're gonna be a little bit more cautious in terms of what we share for competitive purposes. As you can imagine, it's a very competitive market that is out there. But what we did say is we would go into this preview program for a quarter and then we would initiate our full commercial launch. And so we do expect to kick that off in late March.
Dustin S. Sjuts: And I think we'll use our preview strategy similarly in cervical dystonia to kind of leverage those. I think what's unique about, obviously, therapeutics, but specifically cervical of stonias, is obviously the use is fairly concentrated, right? So we'll be able to get it in the hands of the KOLs early in preview, build that data set that's required to continue to continue, and kind of increase the confidence in the larger population. And with cervical dystonia, 1,000 CD injectors really make up nearly 70% of the overall volume. So it's highly concentrated, and we'll focus on those areas first with our deep strategy as well. Stacey Koo with Callan. Your line is open.
And, you know, as we've talked previously, we do think that there's a better experience or onboarding process that we can deliver here in our Nashville headquarters. And so we're gonna have a bias and an affinity to drive people into Nashville as we think that that's gonna yield more stickiness over time. And so that process will start this quarter. And then I think as we get into, you know, kind of our Q1 earnings, we'll be able to give a little bit more information as we'll have a bigger body of evidence.
But at this time, we're not going to get into any more specifics around the timing and the metrics other than to say that we're tracking as planned and as we previously communicated, and that we're going to kick off our full commercial launch with a bias towards those RHA customers, starting in late March with the training here in Nashville. Thank you.
we're not gonna get into any more specifics around the timing and the metrics other than to say that we're tracking as planned and as we previously communicated and that we're gonna kick off our full commercial launch with a bias towards those RHA customers starting in late March with the training here in Nashville. Thank you. Sure, thanks.
Stacy Ku: Hi, thanks for taking our questions and congratulations on the progress. So our first question is around very early feedback. We understand it's very early, but we appreciate any commentary from the preview program clinicians. We know it's still early for longevity, but any specific commentary on the onset of efficacy or aesthetic feel would appreciate some details.
Balaji Prasad with Barclays, your line is open. Hi, good evening, thanks for the questions. Couple from me. Firstly, with regard to the guidance, can you help me understand if you still have limited visibility to provide guidance at least on the filler side? I thought we would see some color around there and maybe your account penetration expectations for DAX-C for the year. One, two,
Stacy Ku: And then for the second question, we're wondering if you could add any additional details regarding the pacing on how you'll get to each level of the aesthetic account. Maybe provide some timing or metrics around how you expand focus from the 5,000 account to the target 10 to 15,000 potential asset accounts. What are the logistics as you move through the initial goals of demand? Thank you.
With regard to the Salesforce hire, I mean, we know last year that there were widespread challenges across industries to hire labor. Do you still see those challenges? And if so, it does mean that you are paying more than the current market prices for these hires. If so, that could help explain some of the OPEX for this year which seems to be higher than what we had expected earlier. Thanks. So I'll take the first one and then maybe I'll kick...
Mark J. Foley: Sure, so Stacey, on anecdotal feedback, we've been very encouraged by what we're hearing from the injectors and from the patients. You know, as you pointed out, we are early. We're, what, two months into the preview program, and so it's probably early to get any duration feedback per se.
Mark J. Foley: But, you know, thus far, the patient response has been very consistent with what we would expect and what we've seen in the clinical trials. And given the size and the scope of our clinical trial program and some of the phase two work that we've done in the area, we would expect that to be very representative of what we're seeing. And so, again, it's early, but we're encouraged, and it's continued to reinforce that the strategy we've put in place is the right strategy.
it taking into account seasonality. I think the challenge that we have is we know that Daxify is going to introduce yet another new dynamic. When the reps were only selling RHA, it was much easier to estimate and forecast what we thought additional growth might look like.
Mark J. Foley: In terms of the pacing and the timing and the metrics, we're going to be a little bit more, you know, cautious in terms of what we share for competitive purposes. As you can imagine, it's a very competitive market that is out there. But what we did say is we would go into this pre-referral. program for a quarter, and then we would initiate our full commercial launch. And so we do expect to kick that off in late March.
But now those same reps are gonna circle back and they're gonna be the ones that will be introducing Daxify into those accounts. And so in the near term, we may, although we're not sure, we may see a slowdown in new account ads, for example. However, there's certainly also some accounts that we've not been successful in getting a foothold in, but Daxify might open that door. So we might see some of that as well. And Daxify might stick out there at times, because Daxify is another company that could try and run a publicly identifiedowan account in a, hopefully national GOOD's used
Mark J. Foley: And, you know, as we've talked previously, we do think that there's a better experience or onboarding process that we can deliver here at our Nashville headquarters. And so we're going to have a bias and an affinity to drive people into Nashville as we think that that's going to yield more stickiness over time. And so that process will start this quarter. And then I think as we get into, you know, kind of our Q-1 earnings, we'll be able to give a little bit more information as we'll have a bigger body of evidence.
We have roughly 50 new salespeople that we're going to be adding in Q2 that we expect to be fully up and running by Q3. And so we have a couple of crosscurrents this year that's just really hard for us to know exactly what we think that that RHA profile is going to look like. But again, if you up level it, we feel very good about our ability to grow RHA this year. We feel very good about.
Mark J. Foley: But at this time, we're not going to get into any more specifics around the timing and the metrics other than to say that, you know, we're tracking as planned and as we've previously communicated and that we're going to kick off our full commercial launch with a bias towards those RHA customers starting in late March with the training here in Nashville. Thank you. Sure, thanks. Bellaji Prasad with Barclays, your line is
our ability to launch Daxify into the market. We believe we've got the right strategy. And as I mentioned earlier, we believe that we can drive our US aesthetics franchise with the products and services that we have to over a billion dollars in revenue over time on an annual basis. Dustin, why don't you comment on the hiring process? Yeah, thanks Mark. If we look back at kind of the hiring we've had to do in the past, two years ago we were hiring a large sales force,
Balaji V. Prasad: Hi, good evening, and thanks for the questions. A couple from me. First, with regard to guidance, can you help me understand if you still have limited visibility to provide guidance at least on the filler side? I thought you would see some color around here and maybe your account penetration expectations for Daxi for the year. One, two, with regard to the sales force hires. I mean, we know last year that there were widespread challenges across industries to hire labor; do you still see those challenges?
for a new product, a dermal filler in the middle of COVID, without kind of a track record for success, commercial execution, so a new entrant into the market. We were successfully able to hire that and recruit the individuals that were able to deliver outstanding results the past two years. And now we're in a very different situation with the approval of DAXify, the progression of our services strategy alongside the success of RHA.
We have been very, very pleased with the talent that is coming in for the hiring, both for the managers as well as the hiring events for the sales force. We've been excited about those that have had experience in the space as well as those outside that are encouraged about the opportunity we have in front of us. And from a compensation perspective, we are at market rate. We haven't had to, as you mentioned, significantly increase the package based off of the environment. We obviously have competitive.
Balaji V. Prasad: And if so, it does mean that you're paying more than the current market price for these eyes. If so, that could help explain some of the OPEX for this year, which seems to be higher than what we had expected earlier.
Dustin S. Sjuts: Sure, so I'll take the first one, and then maybe I'll kick the second one over to Dustin to talk about the Salesforce hire, and then maybe even Toby on some of the OPEX and what's underpinning that. But on the guidance for the fillers, hey, listen, we hear you that we're, what, two years into our filler launch, and that, you know, we certainly have a lot more visibility We've been onboarding about 500 accounts a quarter, and so we've been very pleased with the traction and the growth that we've seen in that market, taking into account seasonality.
So I don't know, Mark, if you want to turn it over to Toby on the OPEX side. Toby? Sure thing. As we talked about during the prepared remarks, our non-GAAP OPEX was $267 million for 2022, and that was in line with the midpoint of our guidance range of $260 to $280 for 2022. If there is any additional compensation for the
Dustin S. Sjuts: I think the challenge that we have is that we know that Daxify is going to introduce yet another new dynamic. When the reps were only selling RHA, it was much easier to, you know, estimate and forecast what we thought additional growth might look like.
Mark J. Foley: But now those same reps are going to circle back, and they're going to be the ones that will be introducing Daxify into those accounts. And so in the near term, we may, although we're not sure, we may see a slowdown in new account ads, for example. However, there are certainly also some accounts that we've not been successful in getting a foothold in, but Daxify might open that door. So we might see some of that as well.
to this year versus last year, we've got obviously Therapeutic that we're starting to ramp up for. We've got some supply chain investments that we're making. We've got the biosimilar to Botox. We have a number of initiatives that are outside of the standard normal aesthetics operating model, but we think those are the right investments to be making at this point. We feel we're in a very good position. Andrew
Mark J. Foley: And we have, you know, roughly 50 new salespeople that we're going to be adding in Q2 that we expect to be fully up and running by Q3. And so we have a couple of cross currents this year that it's just really hard for us to know exactly what we think that the RHA profile is going to look like. But again, if you level up, we feel very good about our ability to grow RHA this year.
cash position to launch Daxify and have the right priorities. But those are some of the things that are driving, and certainly Salesforce expansion is adding to that, but it's some of those other factors that are driving increased spend. Thank you all. Sure. Tim Lugo with William Blair. Your line is open.
Mark J. Foley: We feel very good about our ability to launch Daxify into the market. We believe we've got the right strategy. And as I mentioned earlier, we believe that we can drive our U.S. Aesthetics franchise with the products and services that we have to, you know, over a billion dollars in revenue over time on an annual basis. Dustin, why don't you come in on the hiring process? Yeah, thanks, Mark.
Hey guys, this is Lachlan on for Tim. Thanks for taking the question. I guess I was wondering if you could just elaborate on the Q4 numbers and was that purely just the sales to the 400 accounts in Q4 or were there any one time events that added to that? Just trying to think about setting my expectation for a run rate heading into early.
Dustin S. Sjuts: And if we look back at kind of the hiring we've had to do in the past, right, two years ago, we were hiring a large sales force for a new product, a dermal filler, in the middle of COVID, without kind of a track record for successful commercial execution, so a new intern into the market. We were successfully able to hire and recruit the individuals that were able to deliver outstanding results in the past two years. And now we're in a very different situation.
2023 and then may have missed this in the prepared remarks, but can you just talk about the plans for hiring the therapeutic field team and when you would expect me doing that and how big it is?
Dustin S. Sjuts: With the approval of Daxify, the progression of our services strategy, alongside the success of RHA, we have been very, very pleased with the talent that is coming in for the kind of hiring, both for the managers as well as the hiring events for Salesforce. We've been excited about those that have had experience in space, as well as those outside that are encouraged by the opportunity we have in front of us. And from a compensation perspective, we are at market rates. We haven't had to, as you mentioned, significantly increase the packets based on the environment.
Sure, so I'll take the first one, maybe kick the second one over to Dustin. So on the Q4 numbers, you know, most of the Vaxify revenue that we generated, I think that's what you're referring to, came as a result of the 400 preview accounts that we onboarded in December . And, you know, that group bought the product.
to take advantage of what was one of the busiest times of the year, and the fact that they were going to be some of the early ones to actually get the product and therefore have a window of time to be one of the few people in their area that had it. And so it's hard to know given that we're only two months into the launch with that group.
Dustin S. Sjuts: We obviously have competitive rates with the market. So I don't know, Mark, if you want to turn it over to Toby at OPEX time? Yep, Toby. Sure thing. You know, as we talked about during the prepared remarks, our non-Gap OPEX was $267 million for 2022, and that was in line with the midpoint of our guidance range of 260 to 280 for 2020. And if there is any additional compensation for the sales reps, it's earned compensation for over-delivery on their commissions. So, you know,
to know how that's going to settle out in terms of overall usage going forward. And so I know we got a lot of questions when we did our pre-announcement in early January around is it stocking, is this usage. It's not stocking in the traditional sense that there was no middleman or third party. It reflects what those accounts thought that they were going to be able to use and
whatever time frame they thought. There are incentives in our purchasing program where if you buy more volume at the time of purchase you do get better pricing. So there might have been some folks that were trying to get better pricing. But it's still early. Again, I come back to we're very encouraged by what we're seeing in the market, but it's hard to really know with that initial 400 group how that's going to inform the behavior of the future accounts going forward. I'll take the therapeutic side. We currently have the GM of Therapeutics, the market access head, and the head of marketing in place.
Tobin C. Schilke: We feel pretty good about the guidance we gave and the delivery.
Tobin C. Schilke: And when we exceeded our gap, op-x, that was related to the non-fx.
Tobin C. Schilke: the non-cash charges that we talked about in the prepared remarks. Yeah, I mean,
Mark J. Foley: And so we have a number of initiatives that are, you know, outside of the standard normal aesthetics operating model, but we think those are the right investments to be making at this point. We feel we're in a very good cash position to launch Daxify and have the right priorities, but those are some of the things that are driving us. And certainly, the Salesforce expansion is adding to that, but it's some of those other factors that are driving increased spend.
Mark J. Foley: Yeah, I mean, Belagia, as it relates to this year versus last year, you know, we've got obviously the therapeutic that we're starting to ramp up for. We've got some supply chain investments that we're making. We've got the biosimilar to Botox.
If you look at kind of as we progress towards that PDUFA date and anticipated approval, we'll continue to expand kind of the market access efforts, as well as our medical affairs efforts aligned with our preview strategy and look forward to kind of updating more on the field sales sizing and others as we get closer to that date.
This is Terrence Flynn with Morgan Stanley . Your line is open.
Timothy Francis Lugo: Thank you. Tim Lugo, with William Blair, your line is open.
Great, thanks so much for taking the questions. I guess the first one is, I'm just trying to understand the comments around the Nashville Training Center in terms of the second phase of the rollout here. Are you implying that there's going to be a bottleneck in terms of the number of people that you can actually bring to Nashville and flow through that site? And then the second question was, I know in the past you've talked a lot about having it.
Timothy Francis Lugo: Hey guys, this is a lot going on for Tim. Thanks for taking the question. I guess I was wondering if you could just elaborate on the Q4 numbers and, you know, was that purely just the sales to the 400 accounts in Q4 or were there any one-time events that added to that? Just trying to think about, you know, setting my expectation for a sort of run rate heading into early. 2023 and then, May have missed this in the prepared remarks, but can you just talk about the plans for hiring the therapeutic sort of field team and, you know, when you would expect to be doing that and how big it is? Sure.
Mark J. Foley: Sure, so I'll take the first one, and maybe kick the second one over to Dustin. So on the Q4 numbers, you know, most of the Daxify revenue that we generated, I think that's what you're referring to, came as a result of the 400 preview accounts that we onboarded in December. And, you know, that group bought the product to take advantage of what was one of the busiest times of the year and the fact that they were going to be some of the early ones to actually get the product and, therefore, had a sort of a window of time to be one of the few people in their area that had it.
I mean, we think there's a proper way to onboard accounts, which is to engage them at a deep level to make sure that we've shared all the learnings that we have from some of the folks around how they message this to patients and what they go. We think Nashville is the right way to do that. There's no doubt that we have a limit to how many people that we can ultimately run through Nashville in any given training.
Mark J. Foley: And so, you know, it's hard to know, given that we're only two months into the launch with that group, to know how that's going to settle out in terms of overall usage going forward. And so I know we got a lot of questions when we did our pre-announcement in early January around, "Is it selling, you know, is this usage?" It's not stocking in the traditional sense that there was no middleman or third party.
versus necessarily having any bottlenecks that we don't think we can work our way through. And I think that the first phase, given that we're just kicking off the commercial launch with other focus on Nashville, is the right way to go and is the right long-term strategy. And again, we'll continue to look at ways that we can build out more capacity here in Nashville and then, like I said, also with the virtual training options.
Mark J. Foley: It, you know, reflects what those accounts think that they're going to be able to use in whatever time frame they think. There are incentives in our purchasing program where if you buy more volume at the time of purchase, you do get better pricing. So there might have been some folks that were trying to get better pricing, but it's still early. Again, I come back to, we're very encouraged by what we're seeing in the market, but it's hard to really know with that, you know, initial 400 group, how that's going to inform the behavior of future accounts going forward.
samples, set up a Naxify day. And so there's some logistics as well that will play into this on the back end with our sales reps and why we think it's important to add to that group. And so we look at this less of a bottleneck and more as what we think is a very thoughtful and responsible way to onboard accounts with the goal of driving longer term stickiness. In terms of now that we've got both a toxin and a filler and bundling and different things, we will, of course, look at ways over time to reward customers that lean in more with us.
Mark J. Foley: I'll take the therapeutic side. We currently have the GM of Therapeutics, the market access head, and the head of marketing in place. If you look at kind of as we progress towards that, uh, Padoofa date and anticipated approval, we'll continue to expand kind of the market access efforts, as well as our medical affairs efforts aligned with our preview strategy and look forward to kind of updating more on the field sales sizing and others as we get closer to that day. Terence Flynn with Morgan Stanley, your line is open.
Terence C. Flynn: Great, thanks so much for taking the questions. I guess, you know, the first one is, I'm just trying to understand the comments around the Nashville Training Center in terms of the second phase of the rollout here. Are you implying that there's going to be a bottleneck in terms of the number of people that you can actually bring to Nashville and flow through that site? And then the second question was: I know in the past you've talked a lot about having a differentiated strategy because you have both RHA filler and that and now Daxify. So any latest thoughts or color on a potential bundling strategy and how that might be rolled out over the course, back off, of the year? Thank you. Sure.
more business either on the toxin side or on the filler side if, for example, we have strength in one of those areas but not the other. Douglas now with HC Wainwright. Your line is open.
Hi, good afternoon and thanks for taking the question. I think we're right in the progress. So maybe it's a starting point on therapeutics. Mark, should we think that the addition of live core to the board is a signal of renewed interest in starting a migraine program? Yes, I would over.
Mark J. Foley: So Terrance, on your first question around Nashville and bottleneck, I mean, we think there's a proper way to onboard accounts, which is to engage them at a deep level to make sure that we've shared all the learnings that we have from some of the folks around how they message this to patients and what they do. We think Nashville is the right way to do that. There's no doubt that we have a limit to how many people that we can ultimately run through Nashville in any given training standpoint, but we are investing in and building out more capacity here in Nashville, and we are also going to explore virtual training options as well with a bias towards Nashville.
with the focus on neurology. So I think he can help us think through a lot of our strategy around indication expansion, go to market strategy in those markets in a variety. So I wouldn't overly read into it. I just think, you know, we're fortunate to have Vlad join the board of note two is white sedermatologist. So he also will get the aesthetic side of the business. But obviously somebody with his experience and the success that he's had in the market is going to be another important voice around the board.
Mark J. Foley: And so I would look at this more of a thoughtful, measured rollout versus necessarily having any bottlenecks that we don't think we can work our way through. And I think that the first phase, given that we're just kicking off the commercial launch with a focus on Nashville, is the right way to go and is the right long-term strategy. And again, we'll continue to look at ways that we can build out more capacity here in Nashville.
Mark J. Foley: And then, you know, like I said, also with the virtual training options. And as we get deeper into launch, I think the collective learnings will allow, hopefully, for more of a rapid onboarding. And realize, too, that, you know, exposing somebody to Daxify is step one.
Mark J. Foley: The step two is the field salespeople need to schedule time to go into that practice, bring samples, and set up a Daxify day. And so there's some logistics as well that will play into this on the back end with our sales reps and why we think it's important to add to that group. And so we look at this less as a bottleneck and more as what we think is a very thoughtful and responsible way to onboard accounts with the goal of driving longer-term stickiness.
from or similar as well as differ from what you've done in aesthetics. Thank you.
Yeah, this is Dustin. I'll handle that a little bit. I think it's a little early to go into too many specifics on it. So I think the similarities are, it'll be the key KOLs that are going to drive our ability to build that faculty base to educate the broader market. In terms of the setup, in terms of what we'll be looking for in that disease state, you're going to be looking at.
Mark J. Foley: In terms of now that we've got, you know, both a toxin and a filler and bundling and different things, we will, of course, look at ways over time to reward customers that lean in more with us. Right now, our strategy is very much giving accounts a sort of democratic way to buy and get the best prices whenever they purchase our product.
Retreatment intervals, right? When would they like to bring those patients back? How are they handling different patient disease states just like they did in the clinical trial with the real world setting, which allows us to have a little bit more freedom for the provider to do what they currently do, right? So as you'll remember in our clinical trials, we had specific doses that they were using.
Mark J. Foley: But certainly, over time, we will look at ways to, you know, find partnerships that make sense because we do have both a toxin and a filler. And we think in the near term, having both of those will open doors for us and give us an opportunity to ask for more business, either on the toxin side or on the filler side if, for example, we have strength in one of those areas but not in the other. Douglas Now, with H.C. Wainwright, your line is open.
We're in clinical practice. They may assess the patients. They may know that they've been on a certain toxin, and now they're going to move them to dachshis so they have more freedom. And so we'll leverage that opportunity for real world insights to inform our Brawler rollout and to educate the faculty. OK, great. Thank you so much.
assess the patient, they may know that they've been on a certain toxin and now they're going to move them to Daxi so they have more freedom. And so we'll leverage that opportunity for real world insights to inform our broader rollout and to educate the faculty. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank you very much.
Douglas Dylan Tsao: Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the questions and congratulations on the progress. Maybe as a starting point on therapeutics, Mark, should we think that the addition of Ladcourt to the board is a signal of renewed interest in starting a migraine program? Yes, but I wouldn't overly read into it.
We have time for one final question. Serge Belanger with Needleman Company, your line is open. Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for squeezing me in here. I guess the first question on the DAX-5 preview program. You had a great start with the initial training of 400 providers in December . Just curious if you kept that pace up through January and February and how many providers you expect to...
Mark J. Foley: I mean, we're looking at continuing to add expertise to the board that we think is going to be really good for our overall business. If you look at Vlad's background and the experience that he has, you know, he's an MD, so adding an MD to the board makes a lot of sense. He comes out of clinical practice, and then he's got, you know, extensive experience in the overall pharma space with a focus on neurology. So I think he can help us think through a lot of our strategy around indication expansion and go-to-market strategy. in those markets, and there is a variety. So I wouldn't overly read into it.
Well have been trained by the time you launch late in the first quarter and then secondly In terms of therapeutic indications or there's still plans to to run a face-free program in upper limb Vasticity and when could that get underway? Thanks Great sir, so on the dax by preview program, hopefully we didn't miscommunicate on this but the plan all along was to run the preview program for a quarter with a select small group of Injectors and that's 400 so we've not
Mark J. Foley: I just think, you know, we're fortunate to have Vlad joined the board. Of note, too, is wiseratheidermatologist, so he also will get the aesthetic side of the business. But obviously, somebody with his experience and the success that he's had in the market is going to be another important voice around the board table, and we're excited to have him as part of the team. Yeah, no, I mean, I think his experience with Bichshort Telfine is a great addition.
Mark J. Foley: Also, on Therapeutics, maybe just talk about the planned sort of rollout for CD. Obviously, it's a much more concentrated market, but it sounds like you're still sort of going to go through a preview process. I guess maybe talk a little bit about how it will sort of differ from or similar as well as differ from what you've done in aesthetics. Thank you.
Again, with a focus on in-person national training. So that will kick off now the full commercial launch. And we look forward to getting that underway in late March with a focus on our existing RHA accounts. On the therapeutic indication side, we mentioned in our prepared remarks that our brand, our
Dustin S. Sjuts: Yeah, this is Dustin. I'll kind of handle that a little bit. I think it's a little early to go into two.
Dustin S. Sjuts: I think it's a little early to go into too many specifics on it, so I think the similarities will be the key KOLs that are going to drive kind of our ability to build that faculty base to educate the broader market. In terms of the setup, in terms of what we'll be looking for in that disease state, you're going to be looking at retreatment intervals, right? When would they like to bring those patients back?
Our goal is to use the cervical dystonia approval to build clinical experience that will help inform our future therapeutic strategy. So we think we'll learn a lot in this small number of concentrated accounts that are used to dealing with a number of these muscle movement diseases. Cervical dystonia will inform a lot around, again, what Dustin was mentioning previously. What is the patient response? How often do they bring them back?
Dustin S. Sjuts: How are they handling different patient disease states, just like they did in the clinical trial with a real world setting, which allows us to have a little bit more freedom for the providers to do what they currently do, right? So as you'll remember, in our clinical trials, you had specific doses that they were using. Now, in clinical practice, they may assess the patient, they may know that they've been on a certain toxin, and now they're going to move them to Daxi, so they have more freedom. And so we'll leverage that opportunity for real-world insights to inform our broader rollout and to educate the faculty.
Are they seeing greater symptom relief during that time frame between when they bring them back and how we think that plays? And based on that information, I think that will give us a lot more clarity about what other indications we want to prioritize, how aggressively we want to go after them, what also the payer engagement and experience is going to influence that as well. Okay, one last one.
Douglas Dylan Tsao: Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you. We have time for one final question. Serge Blanche, with Needham and Company, your line is open. Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for squeezing me in here. I guess the first question is:
I know the focus is on the US launch, but have you given any more thoughts to European plans for Daxify? Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. Hey, right now we feel like we've got more than we can bite off with the US launch. It's the biggest market. We've got an established field force. We've got over 5,000 accounts. We've got relations.
Serge D. Belanger: on the Daxvi Preview Program. You had a great start with the initial training of 400 providers in December. I was just curious if you kept that pace up.
Serge D. Belanger: through January and February, and I guess how many providers you expect to
Serge D. Belanger: will have been trained by the time you launch
Serge D. Belanger: late in the first quarter. And then, secondly, terms of therapeutic indications, or there are still plans to run a phase three program in the upper limb.
markets as we move our way through. So stay tuned. But for now, and certainly for 2023, our primary focus is going to be on the US.
Serge D. Belanger: upper limb specificity and when could that get underway? Thanks.
Mark J. Foley: Great, Serge. So on the DaxPy Preview Program, hopefully, we didn't miscommunicate on this, but the plan all along was to run the preview program for a quarter with a select small group of injectors, and that's 400. So we've not added any additional accounts since we did the programs in December where we onboarded roughly 400 accounts as part of preview. And the whole goal there was to get experience in a very controlled setting, to figure out, you know, what insights we can glean from, again, how they're positioning this with patients, how they're pricing it, you know, how they're using the product, all those things. So there have not been any additional, you know, ads as part of the preview program.
Thank you.
Thank you. Right. If I think that's also, yeah.
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Mark J. Foley: The full commercial launch will now commence in late March, again, with a focus on in-person NAFEL training. So that will kick off the full commercial launch, and, you know, we look forward to getting that underway in late March with a focus on our existing RHA accounts.
Mark J. Foley: On the therapeutic indication side, you know, we mentioned in our prepared remarks that our goal is to use the cervical distonia approval to build clinical distonia approval to build clinical experience that will help inform our, you know, future therapeutic strategy. So we think we'll learn a lot from this small number of concentrated accounts that are used to dealing with, you know, a number of muscle movement diseases. You know, cervical dystonia will affect a lot around.
So.
Mark J. Foley: Again, what Dustin was mentioning previously, you know, what is the patient response? How often do they bring them back? Are they seeing greater symptom relief during that timeframe between when they bring them back and how we think that plays? And based on that information, I think that will give us a lot more clarity about what other indications we want to prioritize, how aggressively we want to go after them, and how payer engagement and experience are going to influence that as well. Okay, one last one.
Serge D. Belanger: I know the focus is on the U.S. launch, but have you given any more thought to European plans for Dachythai? Thanks. Yeah, hey, right now, we feel like we've got more.
Mark J. Foley: The pricing is the best in this market, and so that's going to be our focus for now. There's no doubt that the international market opportunity provides us with additional growth opportunities as we go forward. And so we'll be very thoughtful about how we move into some of those markets as we move our way through. So stay tuned. But for now, and certainly for, you know, 2023, our primary focus is going to be on the U.S.
Mark J. Foley: Thanks. Yeah, hey, right now we feel like we've got more than we can bite off with the U.S. launch. It's the biggest market. We've got an established field for us. We've got over 5,000 accounts. We've got relationships with
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