Q4 2022 Melco Resorts & Entertainment Ltd Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the 4th quarter 2022 earnings conference call of MERSCO Research and Entertainment Ltd. At this time, all participants are in a listed holding mode. After the call, we will conduct a question and answer session.
Speaker 2: Today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Jenny Kim, Senior Vice President, Group Chair of Melco Resorts Entertainment, ladies and gentlemen. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Thank you, operator, and thank you for joining us today for our fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. On the call are Lawrence Ho, Jeff Davis, Evan Winkler, and our property presidents in Macau, Manila, and Cyprus. Before we get started, please note that today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provision of federal securities law. Our actual results could differ from our anticipated results.
Speaker 3: In addition, we may discuss non-GAAP measures. A definition and reconciliation of each of these measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the earnings release. Finally, please note that our supplementary earnings slides are posted on our investor relations website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Lawrence Hoe. Thank you, Jeannie. Thank you, Mr. Lawrence.
Speaker 4: The performance of our Macau properties in 2023 has been so far highly encouraging. During the peak days of Chinese New Year this year, we saw EBITDA reach 6 million a day, and COGGR exceeded what we recorded during Chinese New Year in 2019. Volume post Chinese New Year is holding up well, and our daily average mass volume in February has been in line with January . This recent performance supports our continued belief in the return of pent-up demand, and our view that Macau will continue to develop as a leading international destination.
Speaker 4: Construction of Studio City Phase 2 is complete.
Speaker 4: The first stage opening is targeted for the second quarter, which will include one of the hotel towers along with the indoor water park, which is expected to be the largest of its kind in Asia.
Speaker 4: The remainder of Phase 2 is currently expected to open in the third quarter. In the Philippines, gaming volumes are very close to pre-pandemic levels, and we expect continued growth with more international travel into the Philippines and increased junket activity. Cyprus has exceeded pre-pandemic volume.
Speaker 4: and GGR and we are excited for the future as we target opening a city of dreams Mediterranean in the second quarter of 2023. With that, I turn the call over to Jeff to go through some of the numbers. Thanks, Lawrence. Our groupwide property EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2022 was approximately negative 7 million.
Speaker 5: Our groupwide proper EBITDA for the full year of 2022 was just above break even, despite all of the challenges that we face throughout the year due to COVID-related restrictions.
Speaker 5: This reflects the benefit of our diversified portfolio of integrative resorts. Luka-justed group by proper EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2022 came in at negative 4 million.
Speaker 5: A favorable VIP win rate positively affected EBITDA at COD Macau and Cyprus by close to $8 million, while an unfavorable win rate negatively impacted COD Manila by around $10 million.
Speaker 5: COD Minello was also impacted by approximately 6 million of one-off expenses.
Speaker 5: Our OPEX from Macau for the fourth quarter of 2022 came in at approximately 1.7 million per day, a slight increase from the 1.6 million per day in 3 Q2 022, but in line with prior quarters. As you may recall, growth in Cuonic Reynolds was meets the ground inso
Speaker 5: our OpEx per day in 3 Q2 022 benefited from two weeks of casino closures. We continue to focus on cost control as visitation returns. Turning to our cash and liquidity, as of December 31, 2022, we had close to $2 billion of consolidated cash on hand. Melco, excluding its operations at Studio City,
Speaker 5: the Philippines and Cyprus accounted for around 1.2 billion. Of this, approximately 176 million was restricted and includes cash collateral required for a concession related guarantees issued to the Macau government. Around 50 million of this restricted cash was released in January .
Speaker 5: We had fully drawn on the RCF by the end of the fourth quarter to fund the commitments under the gaming concession. In January , Melco International repaid the full $200 million it had drawn under an intercompany loan with Melco Resorts in 2022.
Speaker 5: Since December 31, 2022, we have reduced our leverage by approximately $500 million by repaying amounts drawn under our revolving credit facility.
Speaker 5: As we normally do, we'll give you some guidance on non-operating line items for the upcoming first quarter of 2023. Total depreciation and amortization expense is expected to be approximately $125 million. Corporate expense is expected to come in at approximately $20 million. Consolidated net interest expense is expected to be approximately $100 to $105 million.
Speaker 5: which includes finance lease interest of five to 10 million relating to City of Dreams Manila, and around 15 to 20 million of capitalized interest. That concludes our prepared remarks, operator. Back to you for the Q&A.
Speaker 5: includes finance lease interest of five to 10 million relating to City of Dreams Manila, and around 15 to 20 million of capitalized interest. That concludes our prepared remarks operator. Back to you for the Q&A.
Speaker 6: Operator, we can commence the Q&A session whenever you're ready. Thank you.
Speaker 2: taking the first question and the first question from George Choi from City. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Thank you very much for taking my questions. First of all, I'll congress on the solid solar result.
Speaker 4: And my first question is on Studio City. And for Phase 2, which please give us a sense of how many new stuff you're gonna hire for gaming and non-gaming operations there. And my second question, and this is very for Lawrence. During the COVID years, was there anything that you regret that you have done that you wish you could undo you? And if that lesson that you learned from COVID changed anything in the operation strategy going forward, that's why I need it. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Hey George, Lawrence, you know, first of all thank you. Let me perhaps let me take the second question for us and now hand it off to David and Kevin for, I mean, you know, I'll take the last question for us and now hand it off for the first question. I guess my biggest regret of during COVID was the fact that...
Speaker 4: Lawrence, you know, first of all, thank you. Let me, perhaps let me take the second question for us and now hand it off to David and Kevin for, I mean, you know, I'll take the last question for us and now hand it off for the first question. I guess my biggest regret of during COVID was the fact that, you know,
Speaker 4: with COVID itself and how long it lasted because in our worst nightmares, we never could have imagined COVID lasting three long years. But at the same time, I think from a positive spin, it has fundamentally changed the mindset of Melco. So I think thanks to the good work of Jeff, David and the entire senior management team, we are very cost conscious and we eliminated all excesses.
Speaker 4: during the COVID. And so I think with the recalculatory now, we hope to have meaningful flow through to the bottom line. And that is the focus of this company. We care about even though in cash flow more than we care about anything else. So that culture, we were probably one of the earlier ones in terms of
Speaker 7: some of the work that we've done over the last few years in terms of our cost control and really kind of getting our operating leverage to much better place here. Looking at what we're going to do for Studio City Phase 2 for the epic tower, the indoor water park and for the W tower. We're looking basically to approximately bring on about a thousand people. The kind of cool thing that Lawrence mentioned for us as well is that where we were back at the end of 4th quarter of 2019.
Speaker 7: we're going to have approximately 10% less FTEs at the end of 2023 when everything's open for phase two with all our properties in Macales. So we've really done a good job of kind of really rethinking how we operate our business. We're much more efficient with the things that we're doing now. And again, we're really happy with the leverage that we're going to get out of that and the flow through it will get to the bottom line.
Speaker 2: the next question. The next question for Joy Graff from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Hello, everyone. Laurence, I'm encouraging the data points that you gave about the quarter to date. Thank you.
Speaker 8: Just to drill down a little bit on that, can you talk about IBA, IBA, IBA. Without per day in February versus January , how much of a drop off presumably some drop off there? And then how are you thinking about off-ex per day going forward? Hey Joe, well...
Speaker 4: I think if you look at February , you know, February had 10% less days than January and the figures that the ICT and the Cal government released today was effectively, you know, February and January were flat and considering that Chinese New Year, the entire Chinese New Year period was really in January this year. So when you
Speaker 4: Take out, you know, when you look at all of that, you know, January , I mean February was an amazing month and I literally just walked across our casino floor five minutes ago and It's buzzing and it's a Wednesday night on March 1st usually Two-three days before the two sessions start the place would be pretty quiet
Speaker 4: And so this year is definitely the volume we're seeing are very encouraging and it's defying seasonality. So but I think in terms of the all packs per day and additional color, maybe David you want to share some and then Jeff if you want to share all packs per day.
Speaker 7: I think I'll let Jeff do the numbers, but in terms of the op-axe look, we're very cost-conscious, as Lauren said. We're very focused on that and trying to get as much down and as much flow through down to the bottom as we possibly can. Like I said, we've had a cultural change within our company, and I think again, it continues to pay dividends for us here. And we look, like I said, as we look forward to the rest of the year and seeing that flow through continue to come through.
Speaker 5: This is Jeff. So really as the business comes back as the visitors return we will continue to be highly focused on efficiency and cost containment as we have been throughout COVID. The 1.7 million per day that I referenced in my prepared remarks, that is a solid number pre-the return of the business I think over time.
Speaker 5: While we will be focused on efficiency, we will see that number increase as volume-related expenses come back into the system. But the mandate for us and for everybody here is to retain as much of those cost savings as possible and bank those as permanent savings going forward.
Speaker 5: While we will be focused on efficiency, we will see that number increase as volume-related expenses come back into the system. But the mandate for us and for everybody here is to retain as much of those cost savings as possible and bank those as permanent savings going forward. That's helpful, Jeff, and just kind of...
Speaker 8: two very quick follow-ups. When you look at February and just kind of isolated looking at your mass performance and then comparing it to what it was pre-pandemic, are we at 55-70% of pre-pandemic levels in the list of some color now? And then with respect to your last comment, Jeff, about pop-ups and flow through, how do you think about the incremental flow through? So that continued all three pages, what was your plan? Do the final fullthere with respect to fit with a continuous perspective?
On revenues from here, obviously you have 40% gaming tax rate, and we're all trying to figure out how incremental expenses come back with volumes, but if you can give us some approximation of a flow through percentage, that would be helpful. That's all from me. Thank you very much.
Sure, I'll take the question directed at me first. That one, if we look at where we were pre-COVID per day to where we are right now, and try to estimate what percentage of that is likely to be permanent, I'd put that at around 20%. So, when we think about the margin in addition to the
So if you go back and you look for about 70% of the volumes that we would have expected to see back in the fourth quarter of 2019, it gets a little bit slower midweek but on the weekends it picks up but we've been very pleased with the recovery and how fast it's come back. We're very optimistic about as we go forward, it's about the future as we go forward here but again it's come back faster than we thought so we're very pleased.
Thank you for your question. We are now taking the next question. The next question from Luis Ricardo Vargas from Deutsche Bank.
Please go ahead. Your line is open. Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my question. I was wondering if you guys could please comment on, based on what you saw during the Chinese New Year period, is there a migration from VIP business into direct and premium mass component of your business and any experience that you guys have seen with whatever VIP junk there is in the market today?
the premium direct VIP business. And we have continued that leadership during Chinese New Year and quarter today. What we have seen, and this is in line with what we have seen over the years, is the junket business.
If anything, they kind of dovetail into the premium direct business. So what we have seen is some junket play that moved to our premium direct program. I think less so on junket to premium mass, but maybe David can add more well. We made a concerted effort a few years ago back in 2019 to really start trying to move some of that junket business, some of those bigger players, to our premium direct business. And the team was very hard on that.
And I think that's kind of paid dividends for us as we've come into our recovery period now in 2023. Additionally, we've seen a lot of our premium direct play now return from not only from Hong Kong, but also Southeast Asia. And that continues even up to tonight. And as we've seen that, not only do we see that during Chinese New Year, during the January period, but we saw that throughout February and we're seeing that in March as well. They're already. So again, that play coming through.
from the junkets doesn't seem to have impacted us quite as much because of the efforts that we had back a few years ago in terms of really trying to migrate more of that play over to Premium Direct. So we think that, again, is a good story for us and that will continue and we'll be able to maintain our market leadership position in Premium Direct Play.
I was wondering if you could comment on your capital expenditures in both the restricted group and outside of the restricted group for the remaining of the year and maybe into 2024, given the commitment that you might have realized with the Chinese authorities, with the mechanics authorities for the concession renewal discussion. Hey, Jeff, you want to take that? Sure. So, the spend...
in Cypress is expected to be in 2023 approximately 60 to 65 million US for the remainder of Studio City Phase 2. We estimate that to be 75 to 80 million.
And we've got maintenance on top of that of 150 to 160 million. That's perfect. Thank you so much.
and we've got maintenance on top of that of 150 to 160 million. That's perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you for your question.
We are now taking the next question. Please stand by. The next question from Framingo Shudari from Morga Family. Please go ahead. Yalani is open. Thank you. Thank you for taking my question. Hello, Anzac. Quick question. I'm very focused on the mass business. Just wanted to understand if I look in future.
You are adding a lot of rooms in the Studio City phase two, but then you've lost few tables with the new concession. For example, some of the other competitors have gained some tables. So just do this interplay of rooms versus tables. In your case, more rooms but less table.
How does it play in your new market share versus pre-COVID level? Hey, Pervene, it's Laurence. So we got exactly the number of tables that we requested according to our investment proposal. So in our minds, we then lose tables. And at the end of the day pre-COVID level,
Before the new concession we had 900 tables, but three to 400 of those tables were given to junkets and given that the junk in market is no longer there, we didn't feel necessary to have all those tables and at the end of the day between City of Dreams, City of City and Altira it would be really hard to jam pack like 900 math tables on the floor so I think we have a good mold over right now
And I think with Studio City Phase 2 opening, if anything, it's going to completely relaunch that property. If anything, we've always felt that Studio City was underappreciated. So now with the new positioning, with the new indoor water park, and over the last few years, even during COVID, we redid a lot of the retail to reposition the property.
to be even more mass focused. I think we feel very good about the number of tables we have there, you know, and the number of rooms we have there. Very helpful, thank you. The other question was related to the liquidity condition for the company. I know now we are running EBITDA positive and soon we'll be free cash flow positive. Is it fair to assume that there should not be any reason to believe any kind of equity offering or any such thing to deliver in the future?
locals and we took on a lot of debt. So I think the number one objective of the company for the next two, three years is really to de-lever and pay down debt. I think given the trajectory of the business right now, we're going to have to be able
and the continuous growth that we expect to see, I don't see an equity offering on the way, but at the same time, as a company, we always keep all of our options open. Yeah, yeah, no, that's very helpful. If I could just end with the last question, which I think some of other peers have also asked. The federal use at mass business was similar to January . Is it possible to suggest that we were running at...
60-70% of 2019 level in February . I'm talking about mass business, obviously. Have you given that number? I may have missed it.
And that's my last question. Thank you. Yeah, hey, Premedents, David. Hey, David. I just had said that we're about 70% of where we were back in the fourth quarter of 2019. As I said, it gets a little softer in midweek, but it goes up nicely on the weekends here, and we continue to see it rise. So, as I said, we're very optimistic as we head into the future here. Oh, excellent. Sorry, I missed that. David, thank you so much for clarifying. And, again, congratulations. Thanks for improving. Thank you.
We look forward to speaking to you next quarter. Thank you. Let's conclude the conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may hold this connect.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the 4th quarter 2022 earnings conference call of MELCO Research and Entertainment Ltd. At this time, all participants are in a listed holding mode. After the call, we will conduct a question and answer session. Today's conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Jenny Kim, Senior Vice President, Group Chair of Melco Resorts Entertainment, ladies and gentlemen. Please go ahead. Thank you, operator, and thank you for joining us today for our fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. On the call are Lawrence Ho, Jeff Davis, Evan Winkler, and our property president, Michael Powell.
measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the earnings release. Finally please note that our supplementary earnings slides are posted on our investor relations website. With that I'll turn the call over to Mr. Lawrence Ho. Thank you Gina. The performance of our Macau properties in 2023.
Volume post Chinese New Year is holding up well and our daily average mass volume in February has been in line with January This recent performance supports our continued belief in the return of pent-up demand and our view that Macau will continue to develop as a leading international destination for entertainment and leisure I would like to express my appreciation to the Macau government for the award of a game
and class attractions and facilities to the Macau market.
Construction of Studio City Phase 2 is complete. The first stage opening is targeted for the second quarter, which will include one of the hotel towers along with the indoor water park, which is expected to be the largest of its kind in Asia.
The remainder of Phase 2 is currently expected to open in the third quarter. In the Philippines, gaming volumes are very close to pre-pandemic levels and we expect continued growth with more international travel into the Philippines and increased junket activity.
Cypress has exceeded pre-pandemic volume and GGR and we are excited for the future as we target opening of City of Dreams Mediterranean in the second quarter of 2023. With that, I turn the call over to Jeff to go through some of the numbers. Thanks, Lord.
Our group wide property EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2022 was approximately negative 7 million. Our group wide property EBITDA for the full year of 2022 was just above break even despite all of the challenges that we face throughout the year due to COVID related restrictions. This reflects the benefit of our diversified portfolio of integrated resorts. Luck adjusted group wide property EBITDA.
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Our OpEx from Macau for the fourth quarter of 2022 came in at approximately 1.7 million per day, a slight increase from the 1.6 million per day in 3 Q2 022, but in line with prior quarters. As you may recall, our OpEx per day in 3 Q2 022 benefited from two weeks of casino closures.
We continue to focus on cost control as visitation returns. Turning to our cash and liquidity, as of December 31, 2022, we had close to 2 billion of consolidated cash on hand. Melco, excluding its operations at Studio City, the Philippines, and Cyprus, accounted for around 1.2 billion.
Of this, approximately 176 million was restricted and includes cash collateral required for concession-related guarantees issued to the Macau government. Around 50 million of this restricted cash was released in January . We had fully drawn on the RCF by the end of the fourth quarter to fund the commitments under the gaming concession. In January , Melco International repaid the full 200 million it had drawn under an intercompany loan with Melco Resorts in 2022. Since December 31, 2022, we have reduced our leverage by approximately...
15 to 20 million of capitalized interest. That concludes our prepared remarks operator. Back to you for the Q&A.
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And the first question for George Choi from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Thank you very much for taking my questions. First of all, I'll congrats on the solid seller results. And my first question is on StudioCiti. And for Phase 2, would you please give us a sense of how many new staff you're going to hire for gaming and non-gaming operations there. And my second question, and this is probably for Lawrence. During the COVID years, was there anything that you regret that you have done, that you wish you could undo?
And that that lesson that you learned from COVID changed anything in the operation strategy going forward. That's what I need. Thank you. Hey, George, it's Lawrence. First of all, thank you. Perhaps let me take the second question first and I'll hand it off to David and Kevin for... I mean, I'll take the last question first and I'll hand it off to the first question.
I guess my biggest regret during COVID was the fact that, with COVID itself and how long it lasted, because in our worst nightmares, we never could have imagined COVID lasting three long years. But at the same time, I think from a positive spin, it has fundamentally changed the mindset of Melco. So I think thanks to the good work of Jeff, David, and the entire senior management team.
We are very cost conscious and we eliminate it all excesses during the COVID. And so I think with the ReCalvary now, we hope to have meaningful flow through to the bottom line. And that is the focus of this company. We care about EBITDA and cash flow more than we care about anything else. So that culture, we were probably one of the earlier ones in terms of seeing COVID.
You know, of course we didn't expect it to be three years, but we certainly thought it was longer than Demarca anticipated. So I'm proud of that, I'm proud of the team for doing that. And I think in line with that thinking, in terms of your first question about the headcounts of Studio City, so maybe I hand it off to David. Great, hey George. So look, we're really proud of some of the work that we've done over the last few years in terms of our cost control and really kind of getting our operating leverage to a much better place here. Looking at what we're gonna do for Studio City phase two for the Epic Tower, the indoor water park.
and for the WU Tower. We're looking at basically approximately drawing on about 1,000 people. The kind of cool thing that Lawrence mentioned for us as well is that where we work back at the end of 4th quarter of 2019, we're going to be approximately 10% less FTEs at the end of 2023 when everything's open for phase two with all our properties in the Cal. So we've really done a good job of kind of really rethinking how we offer our business.
We are now taking the next question.
The next question for Joy, Graph from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Hello, everyone. Lauren, some encouraging data points that you gave about the quarter to date.
Just to drill down a little bit on that, can you talk about EBITDA per day in February versus January , how much of a drop-off presumably some drop-off is there, and then how are you thinking about off-ex per day going forward? Hey Joe, well...
I think if you look at February , you know, February had 10% less days than January and the figures that the ICT and the Cal government released today was effectively, you know, February and January were flat and considering that Chinese New Year, the entire Chinese New Year period was really in January this year. So when you take out, you know, when you look at all that, you know, January , I mean February was an amazing month.
And I literally just walked across our casino floor five minutes ago and it's buzzing. And at the Wednesday night on March 1st, usually two, three days before the two sessions start, the place would be pretty quiet. And so this year is definitely the volume we're seeing are very encouraging and it's defying seasonality. So but I think in terms of the all pecs per day and an additional color, maybe you know David, you want to share some and then Jeff, if you want to share all pecs per day.
that is a solid number pre the return of the business, I think over time. While we will be focused on efficiency, we will see that number increase as volume-related expenses come back into the system. But the mandate for us and for everybody here is to retain as much of those cost savings as possible and bank those as permanent savings going forward.
That's helpful, Jeff. And just kind of two very quick follow-ups. When you look at February and just kind of isolate looking at your mass performance and then comparing it to what it was pre-pandemic, are we at 65, 70% of pre-pandemic levels in the list some color now. And then with respect to your last comment, Jeff, about pop-ups and flow through, how do you think about the incremental flow through unrevenues from here, obviously you have 40% gaming tax rate. And we're all trying to figure out how incremental expenses come back with volumes, but if you can give us some approximation of a flow through percentage, that would be helpful. That's all from me. Thank you very much.
Sure, I'll take the question directed to me first. That one, if we look at where we were pre-COVID per day to where we are right now and try to estimate what percentage of that is likely to be permanent, I put that at around 20%. So when we think about the margin in addition to the inevitable mixtures that we'll have towards mass and away from VIP.
We'll have the benefit of those cost savings as well. And I think that's in the ballpark of at least 150 basis points of margin improvement as a result of cost savings. Hey, Joe, I'll take the first question with you a little bit. If that's OK. So if you go back and you look for about 70% of the bonds that we would have expected to see back in 4th quarter of 2019.
It gets a little bit slower midweek, but on the weekends it picks up, but we've been very pleased with the recovery and how fast it's come back We're very optimistic about as we go forward. It's about the future as we go forward here But again, it's come back faster than we thought so we're very pleased
Thank you for your question. We are now taking the next question. The next question for Luis Ricardo Vargas from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. You'll need to open it. Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my question. I was wondering if you guys could please comment on, you know,
Based on what you saw during the Chinese New Year period, is there a migration from VIP business into direct and premium mass component of your business? And you know any experience that you guys have seen with whatever VIP junk kit there is in the market today that color would be very helpful.
Thanks for the question. Maybe I'll hand it off to David. But I think for Melco, we have been the...
Even during the pre-pandemic junket days, we were always the undisputed market leader in terms of premium direct VIP business. And we have continued that leadership during Chinese New Year and quarter to date.
What we have seen, and this is in line with what we have seen over the years, is the junk head business, if anything, they kind of dovetail into the premium direct business. So what we have seen is some junk head play that moved to our premium direct program.
I think less so on junk it to premium mass, but maybe David can add more well. We made a concerted effort a few years ago back in 2019 to really start trying to move some of that junk it business, some of those bigger players to our premium direct business. The team was really hard on that. I think that's kind of paid dividends for us as we've come into recovery pre-now in 2023. Additionally, we've seen a lot of our premium direct playing now return from not only from Hong Kong, but also Southeast Asia.
And that continues even up to tonight. And as we've seen that, not only do we see that during Chinese New Year, during the January period, but we saw that throughout February , and we're seeing that in March as well there already. So again, that play coming through from the junkets doesn't seem to have been impacted as quite as much because of the efforts that we had back a few years ago in terms of really trying to migrate more of that play over to premium direct. So.
the remaining of the year and maybe in 2024, given the commitment that you might have realized with the Chinese authorities, with the machinist authorities, for the concession renewal discussion.
Hey, Jeff, you want to take that? Sure. So the spend in Cypress is expected to be in 2023, approximately 60 to 65 million US.
for the remainder of Studio City Phase 2. We estimate that to be 75 to 80 million.
And we've got maintenance on top of that of 150 to 160 million. That's perfect. Thank you so much.
Thank you for your question. We are now taking the next question. Please stand by. The next question from Framingo Shudari from Olga Fanny. Please go ahead. We are now taking the next question. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Thank you for taking my question, Heron and Sajaf. Quick question. I'm very focused on the mass business. Just wanted to understand if I look in future, you are adding a lot of rooms in the Studio City Phase 2, but then you've lost few tables with the new concession.
For example, some of the other competitors have gained some tables. So just to this interplay of rooms versus tables, in your case, more rooms plus less table, how does it play in your new market share versus pre-COVID level? Okay, Praveen, this is Lawrence.
So we got exactly the number of tables that we requested according to our investment proposal. So we didn't, you know, in our minds we didn't lose tables. And at the end of the day, pre, you know,
Before the new concession we had 900 tables, but three to 400 of those tables were given to junkets and given that the junk in market is no longer there, we didn't feel necessary to have all those tables. And at the end of the day, between City of Dreams, City of City and Altira, it would be really hard to jam pack like 900.
math tables on the floor. So I think we have a good model right now. And I think with Studio City phase two opening, if anything, it's going to completely relaunch that property. If anything, we've always felt that Studio City was underappreciated. So now with the new positioning, with the new indoor water park, and we've...
Over the last few years, even during COVID, we've redid a lot of the retail to reposition the property to be even more mass focus. I think we feel very good about the number of tables we have there and the number of rooms we have there.
The other question was related to the liquidity condition for the company. I know now we are running EBITDA positive and soon will be free cash flow positive. Is it fair to assume that there should not be any reason to believe any kind of equity offering?
or any such thing to deliver in the near term? I think our number one focus, of course. One of the first questions today was, what was the biggest regret during COVID, the three years of COVID? I think the regret was we had to, in order to continue to...
and pay down debt. I think there's no, I think given the trajectory of the business right now and the continuous growth that we expect to see, I don't see an equity offering on the way, but at the same time, as a company, we always keep all of our options open.
Yeah, yeah, that's very helpful. If I could just end with the last question, which I think some of other peers have also asked, the sub-line use at Mass Business was similar to a January . Is it possible to suggest that we were running at?
60, 70% of 2019 level in February . I'm talking about mass business obviously. Have you given that number? I may have missed it. And that's my last question. Thank you. David.
Hey, Prime Minister David, hey David. He said that we're about 70% of where we were back in the fourth quarter of 2019. As I said, he gets a little softer in midweek, but it goes up nicely on the weekend here. And we continue to see it rise because I said we're very optimistic because we head into the future here. Oh, excellent. Sorry. Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, is that David. Thank you so much for clarifying.
I will hand back the conference to Miss Shandy Kim for closing remarks. Please go ahead, mom.
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