Q3 2023 Darden Restaurants Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Todd. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating on today's call. Joining me today are Rick Cardenas, Darden's President and CEO , and Raj Van Am, CFO . As a reminder, comments made during this call will include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Speaker 2: These statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections.
Speaker 2: Those risks are described in the company's press release, which was distributed this morning, and in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker 2: We are simultaneously broadcasting a presentation during this call which is posted in the investor relations section of our website at Darden.com. Today's discussion and presentation includes certain non-GAAP measurements and reconciliations of these measurements are included in the presentation.
Speaker 2: Looking ahead, we plan to release fiscal 2023 fourth quarter earnings on Thursday, June 22, before the market opens, followed by a conference call.
Speaker 2: During today's call, any reference to pre-COVID when discussing third quarter performance is a comparison to the third quarter of fiscal 2020.
Speaker 2: Additionally, all references to industry results during today's call refer to Black Box Intelligence's Casual Dining Benchmark, excluding Darden, specifically Olive Garden, Longhorn Steakhouse, and Cheddar Scratch Kitchen.
Speaker 2: During our third fiscal quarter, industry same restaurant sales increased 7.2%, and industry same restaurant guest counts decreased 3%.
Speaker 2: This morning, Rick will share some brief remarks on the quarter and our focus moving forward. And Raj will provide more details on our financial results and an update to our fiscal 2023 financial outlook. Now I'll turn the call over to Rick.
Speaker 3: Thanks Kevin. Good morning everyone. We had a strong quarter on both the top and bottom line.
Speaker 3: We significantly exceeded the industry benchmarks for same restaurant sales and traffic, outperforming more on traffic than we did on sales.
Speaker 3: We also continue to under price inflation resulting in lower overall check growth relative to the industry.
Speaker 3: Our ability to make this investment and provide strong value to our guests reinforces the power of our strategy, which comes to life through our four competitive advantages and executing our back-to-basics operating philosophy.
Speaker 3: I am particularly proud of the way our restaurant teams continue to execute at a high level by being brilliant with the basics.
Speaker 3: This intense focus on providing great food, service, and atmosphere enables them to consistently create memorable guest experiences.
Speaker 3: During the holiday season Olive Garden and Longhorn Steakhouse set new all-time weekly sales records.
Speaker 3: only to break them during Valentine's week.
Speaker 3: In fact, all of our brands achieved record total sales for the quarter.
Speaker 3: Of course, none of this would be possible without having the right people in the right roles ready to serve our guests.
Speaker 3: Our restaurants continue to be well staffed and our manager staffing remains at historic highs.
Speaker 3: Our leaders work hard to ensure each of our restaurants is a great place to work.
Speaker 3: During the quarter, several of our brands were recognized as industry leaders by BlackBox Intelligence.
Speaker 3: Longhorn N80Vs received the Best Practices Award, which evaluates a brand's employer retention as well as sales and traffic performance.
Speaker 3: Olive Garden, the Capital Grill, and Seasons 52 were honored with the Employer of Choice Award, which is based on workforce data, including employee turnover and gender and racial diversity.
Speaker 3: We know from our recent engagement survey results that our overall level of engagement is very high and our team members understand what is expected of them at work.
Speaker 3: This is helping drive high guest satisfaction metrics both internally and externally.
Speaker 3: Data from the American Customer Satisfaction Index shows customer satisfaction is down across all industries.
Speaker 3: However, across all of our brands, our internal guest satisfaction ratings remain exceptionally strong.
Speaker 3: In fact, Cheddar Scratch Kitchen, Yard House, and Bahama Breeze achieved all-time highs during the quarter.
Speaker 3: Additionally, for the second consecutive quarter, a Darden brand was ranked number one among major casual dining brands in each measurement category within Teknomix's industry tracking tool.
Speaker 3: Even with the traffic growth we achieved during the quarter, to-go sales remained strong, accounting for 26% of total sales at Olive Garden, 14% at Longhorn, and 12% at Shedders.
Speaker 3: We continue to leverage technology to make it easier to order, pick up, and pay without having to pass the added expense of third-party delivery onto our guests.
Speaker 3: Our teams are executing the off-premise experience at a high level.
Speaker 3: For example, To Go order is accounted for 33% of Olive Garden's total sales on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3: and they significantly improved their ratings for both on-time and order accuracy for that day.
Speaker 3: For the quarter, digital transactions accounted for more than 62% of all off-premise sales and 10% of Darden's total sales.
Speaker 3: Finally, we opened seven new restaurants during the quarter across seven states. Our new restaurant opening teams continue to do an excellent job of hiring and training new team members and successfully opening these locations.
Speaker 3: We are on track to open 25 net new restaurants during the fourth quarter, and I am confident in our ability to do so because of our well-prepared leadership pipeline and the tremendous support teams we have in place.
Speaker 3: We are fortunate to have the best team members in the industry.
Speaker 3: and I am proud of the focus and commitment they continue to display. On behalf of our senior leadership team and the Board of Directors, I want to thank all of our team members for everything you do to nourish and delight our guests and each other.
Speaker 3: Now I will turn it over to Raj.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Rick. Good morning, everyone. We had high expectations for the third quarter sales growth as we were wrapping on last January's Omicron outbreak and several weeks of severe winter weather that combined to reduce sales by over $100 million in the third quarter of last year.
Speaker 4: We exceeded those high expectations, hosting record total sales of $2.8 billion, which was 13.8 percent higher than last year, driven by 11.7 percent same restaurant sales growth, along with the addition of 35 net new restaurants. This same restaurant sales performance...
Speaker 4: outpaced the industry by 450 basis points, and our same restaurant guest counts performed even more as they exceeded the industry benchmark by 700 basis points.
Speaker 4: diluted net earnings per share from continuing operations for $2.34, an increase of 21.2 percent about last year.
Speaker 4: Total EBITDA was $448 million and we returned $272 million of cash to our shareholders this quarter consisting of $148 million in dividends and $124 million in share repurchases.
Speaker 4: Total pricing for the quarter was approximately 6.3%, 70 basis points below total inflation of roughly 7%.
Speaker 4: Now, looking at our margin performance compared to last year, food and beverage expenses rose 110 basis points driven by commodities inflation of approximately 9%, which was higher than we anticipated going into the quarter and significantly outpaced pricing of 6.3%. Only 5% with keywords such as meals or food or beverage jewelry rose 108.5% fixed selling
Speaker 4: Chicken, dairy, and grains continue to be categories experiencing the highest levels of inflation, but each improved versus prior quarter as we expected.
Speaker 4: However, beef inflation increased from the second quarter level and drove the majority of our higher than anticipated commodities inflation this quarter.
Speaker 4: Restaurant labor was 120 basis points better than last year as we benefited from sales leverage and our restaurants continue to run efficient labor despite hourly wage inflation of 8%.
Speaker 4: Total restaurant labor inflation was 7%.
Speaker 4: Restaurant expenses were 40 basis points favorable to last year as we leveraged higher sales that more than offset elevated inflation on utilities as well as higher repairs and maintenance expenses.
Speaker 4: Marketing expenses were 10 basis points lower than last year, driven by sales leverage.
Speaker 4: G&A expenses were 40 basis points higher than last year, driven by the timing of our incentive compensation accrual and other expenses.
Speaker 4: Operating income margin of 12.6% was 30 basis points better than last year. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 13.2% and we ended the quarter with earnings from continuing operations of $287 million. Now looking at our margin performance versus pre-COVID, we grew operating income by 70 basis points.
Speaker 4: while underpricing inflation by more than 400 basis points since pre-COVID.
Speaker 4: Increased food and beverage costs were more than offset by improved productivity, reduced marketing, and other cost-saving initiatives.
Speaker 4: Looking at our segment performance, all of our segments significantly outperform their respective industry benchmarks on both traffic and sales.
Speaker 4: Sales at Olive Garden grew 13.9% about last year, driven by same Russian sales growth of 12.3%.
Speaker 4: Average weekly sales at Olive Garden were 108% of pre-COVID levels.
Speaker 4: Segment profit margin of 22.5% was 150 basis points better than last year, driven by sales leverage and labor efficiency.
Speaker 4: Longhorn sales grew 13.5% above last year with same Russian sales growth of 10.8%.
Speaker 4: Average weekly sales at Longhorn were 127% of the pre-COVID level.
Speaker 4: segment profit margin of 17.4 percent was 80 basis points below last year driven by elevated commodities inflation.
Speaker 4: Sales in our fine dining segment grew 13.2% over last year, driven by same restaurant sales growth of 11.7%, and average weekly sales were 113% of the pre-COVID level. Segment profit margin of 21.8% was 110 basis points below last year, driven by elevated commodities inflation. So, there are none yet.
Speaker 4: driven by sales leverage and labor efficiency.
Speaker 4: Turning to our financial outlook for fiscal 2023, we have increased our guidance to reflect our year-to-date results and expectations for the fourth quarter. We now expect total sales of $10.45 billion to $10.5 billion.
Speaker 4: Same Russian sales growth of 6.5% to 7%.
Speaker 4: approximately 55 new restaurant openings, capital spending between $550 million to $575 million.
Speaker 4: Total inflation of 7% to 7.5% and annual pricing of 6% to 6.5%.
Speaker 4: Furthermore, we expect commodities inflation between 9.5% and 10%. An annual effective tax rate of approximately 13%.
Speaker 4: and approximately 123 million diluted average shares outstanding for the year.
Speaker 4: all resulting in diluted net earnings per share between $7.85 and $8.00. This outlook implies fourth quarter sales between $2.73 billion and $2.78 billion.
Speaker 4: all resulting in diluted net earnings per share between $7.85 and $8.00. This outlook implies fourth quarter sales between $2.73 billion and $2.78 billion. Same restaurant sales between 3% and 5%.
Speaker 4: and diluted net earnings per share between $2.43 and $2.58. It also implies higher commodities inflation than we last communicated.
Speaker 4: We now expect commodities inflation that is solidly in the low single digit range for the fourth quarter versus the closer to flat estimate we shared with you on the last earnings call. The increase in commodities inflation is primarily due to higher than anticipated beef costs.
Speaker 4: For fiscal 2024, we anticipate opening 50 to 55 new restaurants and capital spending between $300 and $325 million related to new restaurants and another $200 to $225 million related to ongoing restaurant maintenance, refresh, and technology spending. And while we don't normally provide a commodity outlook this year, we anticipate opening 50 to 55 new restaurants and capital spending between $300 and $325 million.
Speaker 4: by saying that we continue to be very proud of how our teams are managing their businesses to deliver strong results in this dynamic environment.
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Speaker 5: Our first question comes from Chris Carroll with RBC Capital Markets.
Speaker 6: Hi, good morning. So I just wanted to talk or ask first about the top line trends. So I guess just given the choppiness of the comparisons last year, can you talk about the progression of sales through the quarter? Maybe specifically what you saw following the Omicron lap and maybe perhaps what you're seeing in the current quarter.
Speaker 6: Just as we're trying to get a sense of where trends are shaking out kind of on a normalized basis. I know Rick, you spoke of the strength around the Valentine's day. So any detail beyond that point would be great. Hey, Chris, this is good morning. So when we actually look at our underlying traffic trends versus pre COVID.
Speaker 4: look at versus pre-COVID, it's pretty stable.
Speaker 6: Thank you. I appreciate the preliminary commodity inflation outlook for FY24. Thanks for providing that this morning. Any thoughts or guidance you can provide on how you are thinking about pricing here going forward relative to that commodity?
Speaker 4: over 600 basis points. So we created a significant gap between our competitors and our positions as well as we head into the next year. We'll share more thoughts on our fiscal 2024 pricing plans in the June call.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Harper with Morgan Stanley .
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you. Maybe just a question on the labor side. I know that you're in a very good place right now on staffing. Do you still see, as you look into next year, do you still envision taking up wages continually? I think obviously we're in an environment where it's important to kind of retain people.
Speaker 5: continue to pay better than your peers. How does that kind of factor into what you expect from a wage replacement perspective going forward?
Speaker 3: Hey Brian , this is Rick. Let's talk about our staffing. As we mentioned on our call, we're very well staffed. We have more managers per restaurant than we've ever had in our history, so we feel really good about where we are. We're not going to talk necessarily about what our wage growth will be. Next year I will say that even before COVID wage inflation was in the mid-sigal digit.
Speaker 3: We will continue to work with whatever the economy comes our way and however we can handle that. But we have a great employment proposition. Our turnover is significantly reducing, it's getting closer to our pre-COVID levels. And we still think we've got room to improve our turnover. We will continue to work with whatever the economy comes our way and however we can handle that.
Speaker 3: We're hiring great people and we're being as discerning as we had been before COVID. So we feel really good about where we are and we'll talk about our inflation targets and our pricing and all of those things in June . Thank you. Maybe just on capital spending, I know you took up the low end of that, but what's driving that? Is that more of an inflationary thing or is this falling off out there? It's not falling off, it's falling off of some you know some other
Speaker 4: and then we talked about next year, kind of in that 50 to 55 as well. So it's really a function of the increase in construction costs. I think on the construction cost front, especially the FF&E for new restaurants has been growing quite a bit. And so that's, you're seeing 25 plus percent increase in those costs related to pre-COVID.
Speaker 4: So those are really the big drivers, but having said that, given the improvements we've made to our business models and where our unit economics are, we still have pretty strong returns on our new units, and we continue to want to grow that, and that's why we do want to try to target.
Speaker 4: as much growth as we can. Now, we're going to be disciplined in how we do that, but we're being a little bit more selective, but still, we feel like we have opportunity to take share.
Speaker 5: Great, thank you. Thank you. This question comes from David Tarantino with Baird.
Speaker 5: Hi, good morning. My question, I guess, Brodge, if you could just tell us what level of pricing these sweat):
Speaker 5: you are running in the fourth quarter and you know just trying to frame up the comp guidance of three to five percent and what might be implied from a traffic perspective and that number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, David, I think we have basically we're going to be under 6%, so call it 5.5 to 6 is probably what we're running or what you'd expect to be running in Q4.
Speaker 5: Got it. And then I guess then the guidance implies maybe slightly negative traffic. I was wondering if
Speaker 5: if you or Rick could comment just on why you think that is and you know is it a macro issue or is it a
Speaker 5: something else in your view and maybe Rick I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current macro environment doing all the volatility we've seen lately Just you know, how are you thinking about you know, kind of the the outlook for the next several quarters?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, David, let's talk about the macro for the macro consumer. But if you think about where our guide is for the next quarter, if you look at it versus pre-COVID, you take out the Omicron change and the Never Any Pasta, Bold change that we did in Q2, and you think about pre-COVID, our trends are very similar.
Speaker 3: even what we're thinking about for Q4. But as you think about the state of the consumer and the state of the economy, we've said this in previous calls, there's been a shift in spending from durable goods to services, restaurant businesses are benefiting from that. What's interesting is for most of calendar year 2022,
Speaker 3: customer sentiment was pretty bad. But consumer spending was significantly high. So even though they were thinking that things were bad, they were still spending. And so we think as long as the unemployment rate is low and wages are increasing, consumers should continue to spend.
Speaker 3: Casual dining and same restaurant sales improved sequentially each quarter during the fiscal year. And our positive gap to the industry improved, especially in traffic. So we feel like what we're doing is really helping us.
Speaker 3: I will also say the data from our proprietary brand health tracker suggests that most consumers are not pulling back from restaurant visits.
Speaker 3: and they do not appear to be trading down from full service to limited service based on the day that we have.
Speaker 3: Now there is a tension between what people want and what they can afford. You know consumers continue to seek value.
Speaker 3: which is not about low prices. Consumers are making spending trade-offs.
Speaker 3: and food away from home is one of the most difficult expenses to give up because going out to a restaurant is still an affordable luxury for them
Speaker 3: And so what does that mean for us? You know for our brands we believe that operators think that can deliver on their brand promise.
Speaker 3: and value will continue to appeal to consumers despite economic challenges. And that's what we remain focused on doing no matter what happens in the industry and whatever happens to the category.
Speaker 5: Makes sense. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeffrey Bernstein with Barclays.
Speaker 3: Great, thank you very much. Two questions. The first one just on the implied fourth quarter earnings guidance looks like that's growth of maybe 8 to 15%. I know last quarter you talked about maybe the third quarter on the fourth quarter should be pretty even in terms of growth both quarters.
Speaker 3: the third quarter grew 21%. So it just looks like you're maybe tempering the earnings growth algo for the fourth quarter relative to the third. Just wondering whether you view that as conservatism or perhaps it's the modest uptick in inflation, kind of how you think about the sequential trend from an earnings perspective in the fourth relative to the third quarter. And then I had one follow up. Hey Jeff, it's actually what you said. It's the commodities inflation. We didn't, as we said last call, we thought Q4 was going to be
Speaker 3: macro question with interest rates still on the rise. I'm just wondering how does that impact your business or how you manage it if at all in terms of new unit growth which seems to still be stable or how you think about borrowings or whether you think it impacts consumer behavior, maybe any return of cash decisions, like how does that come into play if at all as you manage the business. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jeff, this is Rick. The interest rates really aren't making a huge impact on our business. We actually have a significant balance in cash, so higher interest rates have actually given us a little bit more interest over time. You know, you think about our new restaurant openings.
Speaker 7: that we have seen inflation, as Raj mentioned, and so we're being prudent in looking at some of these deals and saying, you know what, we might wait just a little bit of time to see if we can get a second bid. Sometimes during this year, we're only getting one bid for some of these sites, so we want to be prudent.
Speaker 7: But the interest rates really haven't done anything for us. And if you think about the consumer, they're still spending. You know, we'll see what happens when these credit card balances, which were at record highs in December , come due, but they're still spending today. So, so far nothing in our space.
Speaker 7: As it pertains to return of cash, we have a very strong dividend as we announced it again today. We feel like that's one way we return our cash to shareholders. We'll talk about our capital returns coming up in June . But it hasn't really changed our outlook and what we think about our long-term framework.
So if you go back to our framework and how we return cash to shareholders, we've got targets for our rough dividend as a percent of our earnings and how much we buy back in shares. This year we've bought back somewhere in the 400 and some odd million dollars and our share count target that we gave you.
noise and things like that over the past few weeks. Does that lead to greater volatility day to day or week to week or do you really not see it in the restaurant sales line despite all the headlines that create so much noise for the Duo Av automate macro
Well, Jeff, I think if you think about March, you know, when you think volatility will happen in March just because of shifts in spring break. So you have to take that into account. But you know, trends are fairly consistent. So when you think about, you know, a state might change when there's where their spring break is, so that'll show volatility at restaurants. But in general, we feel like our trends haven't really changed much.
Great, thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Joshua Long with Stevens.
Great, thank you for taking the question. In terms of the context of relative stability in your business, how are you thinking about the marketing and the messaging opportunity as we go into the back half of the year and then into fiscal 24? I mean, still at kind of lower levels versus what we had seen on a marketing spend basis versus prior years. Are you comfortable with that? Is there any?
reason to kind of adjust that strategy as we go into what could be a more challenging or potentially volatile macroeconomic environment. Hey, Josh, this is Rick. We're not gonna get into too much detail on promotional plans. But I would say that our marketing spend isn't going to be significantly different year over year.
It might be 10 to 20 basis points either way, up or down as we think about next year. But as we've said before, advertising is always going to be part of Olive Garden's mix because of the scale advantage they have. So we'll continue to leverage that scale advantage with Olive Garden. We'll use the filters that we mentioned before to evaluate any marketing activity. Elevating, it has to elevate brand equity. It has to be simple to execute, and it's not going to be at a deep discount.
And so we plan on sticking to that strategy, but if things dramatically change, we'll react accordingly. And as we've said many times in the past, if and when we increase our marketing spend, we'd expect it to earn a return compared to where we would have been without it. So it should be a positive ROI and it shouldn't hurt our margins.
I understand that's helpful. And then maybe one follow-up for me in terms of talking about the restaurant manager pipeline and the fact that you mentioned having more restaurant managers than you've had in your history. Can you talk about the benefits and kind of just the opportunities that unlocks from either a service component or how you should think about how we should think about that positively impacting
guest experience as we go forward and maybe helping to drive that gap versus the industry a bit wider over time. Yeah, Josh. You know, the manager role in our restaurants are the most important role we have, especially the general manager or the managing partner. And being fully staffed there gives them more time to spend with their team and train their team, develop them, make them stronger, and just spend that time forecasting their business.
and spending time with guests. You know, if you're understaffed managers, the restaurant doesn't run as well.
But the other thing about being fully staffed with managers and have the highest staffing in our history is that that helps us open restaurants going forward. If you think about our pipeline of new units.
We have about 25 net openings coming in this quarter, and we are ready for it with the managers that we have. So there's a lot of benefits of being fully staffed. Managers can spend more time with their team, they can spend more time with guests, and we have the managers to open our restaurants.
Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Danilo Gargulo with Bernstein.
Morning. So, Rick, you mentioned that the ability to price below inflation is getting dark and the ability to grow faster than the market in terms of sales and traffic. So are you expecting the same momentum to continue if inflation decelerates and food at home inflation perhaps increases at a lower pace compared to the food away from home inflation? Yes.
Well, you know, our strategy has been this strategy for quite a while and we plan on sticking to it. It's really helped us over the long term on whether inflation has been high or inflation has been low. You know, if inflation comes down or things slow down, a lot of our pricing is already built in for next year based on where we are right now. And so we'll be able to react accordingly.
In the long run, we plan on pricing below inflation, but in any 12 month period, it might be a little bit higher or a little bit lower than inflation. That said, we believe that our scale advantage gives us the opportunity to find cost savings so that we can price below inflation in the long run to drive a better value for our guests.
And as we said earlier, guests appreciate value, especially when or if the economy slows down a little bit, they go for places that they get a great value and they get great consistent experiences, and that's what we intend to provide.
Thank you. And maybe Raj, what caused the marginal deceleration and expectations on net new units? And if you can also comment on your recent comments of strong returns in the new units and that you're going to be a little bit more selective. So can you share how the real estate strategy is evolving over time?
Yeah, so a couple things. The new units, I think we talked about, part of it is just the construction delays and the challenges we've had. And we are still opening quite a few. I mean, our expectation for this year is approximately 55 new openings. So we're opening quite a bit.
As far as the comment on the returns, when we look at our new units, actually, especially the recent openings have actually outperformed on the top line more than we expected going into. So they are actually opening at most of our brands. They are opening at volumes that are exceeding what we would have estimated going into the end.
a hurdle by a wide margin even with the increased construction cost. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Dennis Geiger with UBS. Great. Thank you. I wanted to ask one more on margin and maybe Raj if there's any update to how you're thinking about holding on to gains longer term that you've seen since the pandemic. I know you've
recently kind of spoken more to a long-term total return algorithm rather than sort of an annual margin growth number. But just curious if any new observations or thoughts on sort of longer-term margin trajectory given what you've seen recently.
Yeah, Dennis, I think we've talked about, you know, this year we've been purposeful in deliberating, actually, you know, choosing to price where we price, right, over the last few years because of the gains we have had versus pre-COVID. Our intent would be to try to grow from these levels, but any given year it can be different. Any given year it can be different.
we do go back to that 10 to 15% TSR, that's the EPS growth plus the dividend yield. And how we get there any given year might be different. But from where we are starting at the end of this fiscal year, we expect to build margins over time.
Great, appreciate that. Just one more, just on the 24 new openings, can you speak to whether the breakdown by brand will look similar to what you've seen in prior years? Thank you. Yeah, I think you're going to see a little bit more of Olive Garden openings just because they have the best returns in the portfolio.
Great, thanks Ross.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Farmer with Gordon Haskett. Craig, just following up on margin, some of the stuff you just discussed, but you did touch on marketing, but your restaurant expense in G&A as a percent of revenue are running that looks like roughly 100 basis points below pre-COVID levels.
Do you think that lower cost structure of both the restaurant and corporate level is sustainable moving forward? Yeah, we always focus on that's the opportunity for us. When we talk about our scale benefiting, we always are trying to take costs that are not directly impacting the gas.
That's really restaurant expenses and G&A are the two places where we think our scale benefits us the most in terms of being able to take costs out, leverage our scale. And so we do expect those to continue to be maintained in a wider gap to pre-COVID, positive gap. And then just one more on the follow up on the lower income customer demand.
Yeah, in the past we had talked about our lower income consumer over the last few quarters, the mix shifting down a little bit but still being above pre-COVID. The good news is we haven't seen a material change in mix from the last time we talked to now in that lower end consumer but if it manifests itself it generally starts with managing check.
Generally, consumers will manage your check first, and then they'll manage your visits later. And so far, we really haven't seen a whole lot of check management. So that tells you, based on what I said earlier, consumer sentiment was pretty bad in 22, but consumers still spent and.
You know, as people shifted to restaurants, we benefited. So we haven't seen it yet. We may see it. And when we do, it'll start at check, probably. And then it'll impact, you know, probably more likely impact our lower end consumer brands. Not that they're lower end brands, they just have a bigger mix of lower end consumers. And it'll impact less our high end brands.
But that's the benefit of a portfolio and the portfolio that we have, that we can withstand shocks to one segment of the population. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Charles with TD Callum.
Great, thanks. One quick bookkeeping question, Raj, as we think about 2023 EPS guidance, is roughly $390 million still the right number for G&A.
One quick bookkeeping question, Raj, as we think about 2023 EPS guidance, is roughly $390 million still the right number for G&A? Yeah, that's right.
Great. Okay. And then I realize that you guys are going to provide 2024 guidance in the full Q call, but just in the backdrop of this uncertain macro environment, um, combined with inflation has just proven stubbornly high. Can you talk about your confidence and the ability to deliver 10% plus TSR in 2024 and just the different avenues you can take to get there if we were to see a slowing consumer backdrop. Thanks.
Yeah, Andrew, this is Rick. I will say that if you think about our confidence returning a TSR of 10 to 15%, in any one year, we've said many times that in any one year it could be below that or above that. And remember, that's earnings growth and dividend yield. I will say...
go back in our history, since we've been a public company, we've never had a 10 year period that we have had less than a 10% annualized total shareholder return. So we feel confident over the long run that we're gonna get the 10 to 15%. We're not gonna talk about next year, but I would feel like we're pretty confident we should be able to get there. Very good, thanks. Thank you, our next question.
Frankly, it's counter to what we've been hearing from a handful of operators in recent weeks.
to hear from you. Is that broadly speaking about just your or is that speaking specifically about your brands or is it more broadly about the full service category number one and then number two? Can you talk about what these customers are telling you as to why they're sticking with your brand?
versus trading down elsewhere? Are they using you differently now than say in years past when thinking about their own budgeting for going out or eating away from home?
Yeah, John , this is Rick. You know, what we said earlier is most customers aren't. That doesn't mean that there aren't any customers shifting from full service to limited service, but most aren't, and we're not really seeing that in our results. So others might be, but what we have been doing is providing a great value. We've actually taken a lot of time.
We've been improving our experience. Our customer satisfaction is growing. We've had records at cheddars and yard houses I mentioned already. So I think that's what people crave when environments get a little bit tougher. They crave things that provide them a great value and that gives them consistent experience. And we've been doing that and we'll continue to do that. Okay, so you're,
suggesting that the brand survey work you did is is more specific to your brand and necessarily the whole full service category? No I'm not I'm not suggesting that it's only our brands what I'm saying is that most consumers aren't trading down some are but most aren't
that the brand survey work you did is more specific to your brand than necessarily the whole full service category? No, I'm not suggesting that it's only our brands. What I'm saying is that most consumers aren't trading down. Some are, but most aren't. And in prior big downturns or...
things like that, we had a lot more consumers trade down. We haven't seen that. Now, when I talk about specifically to our brands, our satisfaction is up, our value is better than it was before. So there's a little bit of both in my answer.
we had a lot more consumers trade down. We haven't seen that. Now, when I talk about specifically to our brands, our satisfaction is up, our value is better than it was before. So there's a little bit of both in my answer, industry and us.
Got it. Okay, just circling back to the marketing question. I know we hit on it a few times already, but I'm curious what the trigger might be. You know, are you going to be a little bit more reactionary in terms of waiting to see some slowdown or if there is one that comes before necessarily pulling that trigger? And I understand the context that you put around.
how you would go after increasing marketing by not necessarily offering deep discounts. But just curious to know what sort of triggers you're looking for in the marketplace. Maybe it's just the slippage in traffic, either relative or absolute before you start spending a little bit more on the marketing side. Hey, John , it's Rick. You know, we're not necessarily gonna talk about it, especially in the market, but we're gonna talk about it
What I can say is we're going to be very prudent in our marketing spend. We've done a lot over the last few years to simplify our business to make it easier to operate. And we've done a lot of testing during this time on what marketing really does drive. And when things change dramatically, we may change. But right now, we're going to continue to stick to our strategy of...
making our communication be much more branded, elevating brand equity, simple to execute, and we don't expect it to be a deep discount. So we've, you know, this industry has gone through this before, buying guests, and we're not ones that are gonna go out and buy guests. We're gonna continue to do what we do.
and and strengthen our business and if things change then we may react. Thank you for the time.
and strengthen our business. And if things change, then we may react. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Evonko with JP Morgan. Hi, thank you. A follow up on that, I think. I know we've talked about most consumers not trading from full service to limited service, and certainly giving up dining out of something that people don't want to do, especially when they're employed.
restaurants depending on how you want to calculate it. Grocery pricing has actually been well in excess of restaurant pricing. It remains so now. When you guys think forward, this is a forward-looking question, really a view of your industry. Grocery pricing oftentimes follows commodities. Commodities are expected to drop just in your own language from what was 10 plus percent to very low.
customers, you know, maybe the bottom 5 or 10%, whatever you want to say, you know, still coming to your brand and using the brand, you know, even if you're over your grocery store and other brands perhaps, you know, limited service included, you know, Star Trek merch as a pricing opportunity for them.
Yeah, John , thanks. This is Rick. You know, one of the things I want to let everybody make sure they hear is we're not going to risk margin, significant margin declines because of what happens in the economy. If food costs go down, you know, think about what we've said in the past. A 1% decline in commodity car or inflation.
will offset a 2% decline in traffic. All else equal with us doing nothing. So if commodity costs come down and inflation comes down, we can weather a little bit of a traffic decline and still get to the same EBITDA.
So, you know, I think we have to think and the industry has to think long term about how they drive traffic through discounting. And we have made that shift and we made that shift even started it before COVID to drive traffic through better experiences, better overall value.
and not discounting to a very small portion of our guest base. So, you know, that's our strategy going forward. If things change, we'll let you know.
Well, and I think that's very clear, to less than permanently learn, not temporarily learn, and I think that's important, certainly, to hear and express. So, thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question will come from Chris O'Cole with Stifel.
Thanks. Good morning guys. Rick, you've tied the traffic out performance this quarter to less pricing than the competition. I'm just wondering why you believe consumers are now noticing that difference in relative value. If there was some sort of trigger with a marketing or advertising effort or what do you think has caused that change?
this quarter. Hey, Chris, I would say that I don't think it's just this quarter. I think it's been a long time what we've been doing. We've been under pricing inflation even before COVID. We started under pricing inflation and we've been putting more on the plate. And so we've actually invested while under pricing. And so if you look at, you know, variable margin, contribution margin, just take Olive Garden, for example, you can't do the math, but if you look at contribution to margin margin, you can't do the math.
what we're doing, you have to think about this over the long run. Because we're not shouting out to the rooftops that we've done this. The closest that we did to that was brought never any possible back at a $3 higher price to show people that we still have some great value in our restaurants. And Olive Garden being on TV, talking about the things that make their brand special. You know, right now we're we've got back on our advertising is sauces soul and talking about our our friend
that we have lower prices than others do or we've priced less. They see it as they come into our restaurants and that builds over time. That's great and I know you guys have a rich consumer data set. I mean does your data indicate that certain consumer segments have increased their frequency of visits?
especially at Olive Garden? What I would say is versus pre-COVID, our data would tell us that we're getting a little bit younger than we were before COVID across all of our brands. And that's somewhat driven by an increase in to-go business. But the great news is a lot of these folks that actually...
used us to go for the first time, and that's their first visit to us, are actually starting to come into our restaurants too. So it was kind of a handshake to come in. And so we're slightly younger, but our consumer segments are fairly similar to what they were before, and that's great news for us. We're also getting a little bit more frequency in our core guests.
and that's really what we've been focusing on. So the good news is our consumers are not that different, they're slightly younger. That means that we don't have to really change what we're doing because we can keep talking to our consumers just like we have been before. Great, thanks.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sarah Sanatori with Bank of America.
Hi, thank you. This is Catherine Griffin on for Sarah. I just wanted to ask again on marketing, sorry, just if you could speak a little bit about what you're seeing at other restaurants, if you're seeing them ramping up on marketing and promotional spending. Yeah, Catherine, this is Rick. You probably see it just as much as we do, but I can tell you that, you know, there's a...
in our space and we're doing that through branded kind of advertising versus deals.
and we're doing that through branded kind of advertising versus deals. Great, thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Strelsick with BMO. Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask about the customer satisfaction scores. You mentioned and you talked about records, I believe, or all-time highs at Shedders and Yardhouse and maybe Bahama Breeze as well, but not.
Andrew, this is Rick. Let me start by saying that satisfaction at Olive Garden and Longhorn are significantly high. And our other brands, our fine dining brands, are very high. And so it takes a little bit more to move them up significantly versus what we've seen at Cheddar's and Yardhouse. Cheddar's and Yardhouse and others have made significant improvements to their brand, significant improvements to service.
and significance improvement to value, and customers see that. And so we've had great performance at those brands that I mentioned, having record highs, but I wouldn't tell you that the others aren't at or near their records. It's just Cheddar's and Yardhouse actually made a record this quarter.
Got it. Okay. That makes sense. And maybe just one other one about the value proposition. And obviously, you're very positive on how that's driving the comps. So we're coming out of a period now where the pricing environment overall maybe seems to be settling a little bit. Now I'm curious if you've gone through the exercise or maybe just an ongoing exercise where you've looked at where your brands stand and where the different pieces of the menu stand now. I'm curious if there's any opportunities to address.
within menus or within brands now that maybe things have settled a little bit. Thanks. You know, I think we always look at where we have opportunities within menus, within brands, within regions of the country, and we will never stop. What I would tell you is we feel really good about where our pricing is, and we feel really good that we've been able to price well below what most of our competitors have done.
and that gives us, as Raj said, some room to take a little bit more pricing if we want to take a little bit more pricing and so we will always look and we generally try to price restaurants into strength and not into weakness and we have a lot of great data scientists here that help us look at that.
and we also talk to our operators and get their perspective. So that won't change no matter what happens in the economy or what happens with others. We'll continue to do what we do, and we feel like we've earned the right to keep doing what we've done.
Great, thank you very much. Thank you. This question comes from David Palmer with Evercore ISI.
Thanks, good morning. I think investors are looking at the industry trend and they're thinking about comparisons on a multi-year basis. They're thinking the industry is going to go flat, something like that in the second half of calendar 23.
And I, and so that's sort of where people's heads are with regard to casual dining. I wonder, do you think that is too pessimistic? I mean, based on what you're seeing, because obviously four year trends don't need to stay stable. But if that were to happen, your gap is positive.
to that industry at this point. And you've been very clear on this call about you're not wanting to pull levers unless it really got bad. But you know, if you're doing two plus points better than that, and you're humming along in the low single digits, would you not really change your mix too much with regard to the advertising and the value marketing and kind of the
and you look at some of our brands, Olive Garden significantly outperformed during that time because guests go for where they see value and they go to trusted brands and I think Olive Garden's one of the most trusted brands out there. So we would expect.
that we could outperform. I can't say we will, but I think that's what our history would stay. And so we're gonna look at our marketing mix, just like we've done in the last few years, and we may move it a couple of tenths here or there.
but unless something dramatically changes, we don't anticipate doing anything differently.
The other thing I was wondering about is, you know, just seeing those Cheddar's scores being number one in value. First of all, congrats on all these scores, but Cheddar's has a big TAM potentially. I mean, varied menu is a big thing. Originally, this might have been thought to be bought and become a bar and grill killer. You know, that varied menu is a big category.
and value scores are going to help you move into the center of the country much better, better returns. So any thoughts about maybe metrics on returns and you're growing 11, 12 units right now, a year, why can't that maybe go up quite a bit as you see that brand where it is today? Thanks. Yeah, David. I would say when we bought Chetters, we thought they had a lot of opportunities ahead of them. We still believe they have a lot of opportunities ahead.
for a brand at Darden that doesn't happen very much.
And so with cheddars, we're gonna be prudent. We're gonna open in the single digits for a little while to see how they continue to do. And as we infill markets that they already have restaurants in, and we find ways to get into the new markets, as long as we have the people to do it, we can grow them. And I will tell you that John Wilkerson and his team has.
from Lauren Silberman with Credit Suisse.
Thank you and congrats on the quarter. On the traffic outperformance 700 basis points gap, do you view this level of outperformance as sustainable? Or how do you think about the outperformance?
Hey Lauren, this is Rick. You know, 700 basis points of outperformance is pretty strong. You know, it all really depends on what the total traffic growth is for the industry. You know, if we do, if the industry is growing at 1%, do we expect to get 7% every quarter in outperformance? No. And if anybody would say that, I think that's thinking a little bit too hard.
We're very pleased with that outperformance of 700 basis points this quarter, but we wouldn't expect to be 700 basis points every quarter. And there might be quarters that we have lower performance in traffic than our competition. But we think about this over the long term, and over the long term we expect to outperform.
Great, thank you for that. And then just on M&A, I know you've talked about that in the past, an interest in another brand. I guess what are you seeing in the current environment? Any changes in calls that you guys are getting or valuations?
I don't want to get into the detail on calls we're getting or valuations we're getting. All I can say is what we've said before biggest competitive advantage we have is our scale. And one of the ways to build that scale is to buy other brands.
And as volatility reduces, price discovery improves. And so that's what we've got to continue to think about. And interest rates have made some change. So we still feel like we'll talk to our board when the right opportunities come to play, and we'll be ready when they do.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Our next question will come from Brian Bittner with Oppenheimer.
Hey, good morning. Just as we look at the quarter, your EBIT margins obviously expanded this quarter, but it was the first time in many quarters that we saw EBIT margin expansion. It seems to be primarily driven by Olive Garden when we look at the segments. Olive Garden was the only segment that showed measurable.
margin expansion this quarter. The other segments were actually down on average. So can you talk about the drivers of the bifurcation and margin performance for Olive Garden versus the rest of the segments? And is that kind of how the margin trend should continue over the next couple quarters? Hey Brian , any given quarter, I think the brand to brand, it's a function of the pricing.
think about pricing is, you know, we're not going to overreact to near-term fluctuations. We kind of think about what's truly the most secure part of the inflation and try to price for it. And so there was a little bit of really noise on that front this quarter that impacted the other segments.
With that said, Olive Garden is our largest brand. I mean, that is, it makes up over 50% of our sales and 55% more than for profit. So for us to grow, you gotta see Olive Garden to have some growth or it takes a lot of heavy lifting from everybody else to make up. But the other thing with Olive Garden was we did, some of the costs did moderate from where they were in the second quarter.
their geography and because of the demographics mix of their gas, it hurt them most and now you're seeing them outperform the most. Thanks for the clear answer there, Raj. And then just follow up, the labor margin leverage for the consolidated model was incredibly strong.
this quarter relative to any recent quarters in the past. And I realize your sales were strong this quarter above average, but was there anything else going on within the execution of the labor margin this quarter outside of strong sales that you can point to that help that leverage amplify?
this quarter so we can think about how labor can potentially be executed moving forward.
Yeah, Brian , I think that's a good, so obviously, as you mentioned, sales is the biggest part, but we are seeing turnover get better. And I think we called out last year, we had a lot of sick pay and some inefficiencies in labor last year because of Omicron. And so that's actually also helping.
But you do see a quarter to quarter improvement, right? I mean, I think we progressed by over 100 basis points from second quarter to third quarter. And that's really the function of sales delta. We had almost $300 million more in sales, and that helps with a lot of leverage. And then the last piece, as I said earlier, is that attention is getting better.
and that helps with improved productivity. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Gregory Frankfort with Guggenheim Security. Hey, thanks for the question. Rick, my question is just on your maybe how to think about margins not in 24 but the next few years.
Just because within your long-term framework of 10 to 30 basis points, you know, when I look at this year, you had a big step down and a lot of that was food cost pressure. And I'm just wondering if you think that 10 to 30 basis points is the right way to think about it. Maybe there's more of that come on the.
door-level margin side versus the GNA the next several years? Any updated thoughts on that would be helpful. Thanks. Hey Greg, thanks for the question. What I would say first of all is you know, we've got that long-term framework of 10 to 30 basis points of margin expansion. We had significant margin expansion during COVID and we talked about it last year that we probably will we'd probably give some of that back this year.
over time and some of that will come probably, maybe a third, a half of that will come below the restaurant level. As we think about leveraging other costs, but as traffic grows and same restaurant sales grow, we should still get some from the restaurant, but GNA should be some of that savings going forward.
Awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Vicaro with Raymond James. Hi. Thanks for squeezing me in. My question was just on labor and operations. There's obviously been a lot of new hires across the industry in the past 6 to 12 months.
are there any metrics you can share that speak to the proficiency of your staff and how that's benefiting operations and just kind of to what degree you think that that could be driving your widening performance gap to the industry? And then also, would you be willing to share kind of where your manager and hourly turnover is currently running?
Yeah, Brian , let me start by saying, you know, we've had a reduction in turnover, which has been helping us. You know, our team members are starting to learn more about what they do, especially the newer team members. And as I mentioned earlier, our manager staffing is at pretty high levels, and so they can spend more time teaching their team and getting more productivity out of their team.
without getting into too much detail on turnover. Our turnover is closer to pre-COVID levels than COVID levels. And we would intend to get it back towards those levels. What I would also say is our gap to pre-COVID isn't that different than it was. So as the industry gets better, we're getting better. And so we feel like we'll continue to improve. And what we've seen over the last couple of quarters is a really
big improvement in turnover. So I think people now feel like they understand how their, what their job is and how to do it. We've actually spent a lot more time, as I said in our last call, every one of our general manager, managing partner conferences in August talked about how to make our, each whatever brand, a better place to work.
an even better place to work. It was already a great place to work. And those things are bearing fruit. So our turnover is getting better. Our first 90 day turnover is significantly improved from where it was just six months ago because of the focus that we're putting on training and making sure that those team members feel up to speed before they get thrown out on a busy Friday night. All right, great, that's helpful. And I guess my quick follow up just on pricing, Raj, thanks for your time today.
Thank you.
Yeah Brian I think you know I'm not going to comment on past Q4 but but I will tell you that you know if you look at you know where the pricing has been you know second quarter was six and a half third quarter that we just completed was six three we expect fourth quarter to be under six so the peak pricing for us on an annual basis is behind us.
I think unless something dramatically changes, we see pricing coming down. And I know, not to compare to everybody else, but when you look at what's happening in the market, I think most people are on an upward trend on pricing. We think we're actually from here on, but we're on a downward trend.
But overall, though, that's actually translating into, you know, the results we've talked about. And then, you know, when we started the year, we started with 100 basis points, a target of roughly pricing below inflation for this year of about 100 basis points. I expect us to end in that range. Okay, thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Park with Weld Fargo. Hey, good morning, guys. I guess there's been a lot of focus on trade on the low end, but I guess are you guys seeing any signs that that middle income consumer is moving more into your value brands and coming a bit more?
Yeah, John , we really haven't seen a whole lot of change and mix across of our brands And I would say value brands versus not if you look at our release today. We had same restaurant sales Ranges between the different segments between I think it was 10 8 and 11 7
So three of our segments, I think actually had 11-7 comps And our total comps for the company was 11-7. So it's very consistent across and And all of our brands had very very strong same restaurant sales.
Great, thank you. Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions in queue. I will now turn the call back over to Kevin Kalikak for any additional or closing remarks.
Great, thanks Todd. That concludes our call for today. I would like to remind you that we plan to release fourth quarter results on Thursday, June 22nd before the market opens with a conference call to follow. Thank you for participating in the call today. Have a good day.
Great, thanks Todd. That concludes our call for today. I would like to remind you that we plan to release fourth quarter results on Thursday, June 22nd, before the market opens with a conference call to follow. Thank you for participating in the call today. Have a good day.
That concludes our call for today. I would like to remind you that we plan to release fourth quarter results on Thursday, June 22nd before the market opens with a conference call to follow. Thank you for participating in the call today. Have a good day.
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