Q4 2022 TELA Bio Inc Earnings Call

Speaker 2: Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2: And welcome to the tele-bio fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call.

Speaker 2: At this time, all participants on the listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Louisa Smith from the Gilmartin Group. Please go ahead. Now will the players be ready to get started.

Speaker 3: Thank you, Lisa, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, TeleBio released financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2022. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Joining me on today's call are Tony Koblesh, President and Chief Executive Officer, Tony Koblesh. Thank you, Lisa.

Speaker 3: and Roberta Cuca, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 3: Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this conference call, the company may make projections and forward-looking statements regarding future events.

Speaker 3: We encourage you to review the company's past and future filings with the SEC, including, without limitation, the company's annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q s, which identify the specific factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially.

Speaker 3: from those described in these forward-looking statements.

Speaker 3: These factors may include, without limitation, statements regarding product development and pipeline opportunities, product potential, the impact of various macroeconomic conditions, including the ongoing response to the COVID-19 pandemic, recessionary concerns, banking instability, and inflationary pressures.

Speaker 3: the regulatory environment, sales and marketing strategies, capital resources, or operating performance.

Speaker 3: With that, I'll now turn the call over to Tony.

Speaker 4: Thank you, Louisa. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us today for our fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings call.

Speaker 4: I'm pleased to report that in the fourth quarter of 2022, Telebio continued to deliver strong revenue growth and sales of $11.6 million.

Speaker 4: up 39% over the prior year and full year 2022 revenue of 41.4 million, representing 41% growth from 2021 overall. This was despite continued hospital staffing challenges and slower than expected GPO contract uptake.

Speaker 4: which Roberto will describe in greater detail shortly.

Speaker 4: Yet even with these ongoing headwinds, we are encouraged that Televio's OVitex portfolio continues to gain market share quarter after quarter.

Speaker 4: Our ability to drive continued revenue growth and share capture is a result of our focus on the five factors contributing to top-line achievement.

Speaker 4: Salesforce size, individual rep productivity, product portfolio, GPO access, and clinical data. I'll spend some time describing how we advanced each factor since the beginning of 2022 and how they impacted our revenue growth.

Speaker 4: First, Salesforce size.

Speaker 4: Given their productivity to date, including through the time of the greatest COVID-19 impact several years ago, we've sought to continue expanding the number of reps selling our products.

Speaker 4: We entered 2022 with just under 45 sales reps, and our earnings call a year ago announced the goal of reaching 55 sales reps by the middle of 22, and 60 by the end of the year.

Speaker 4: I'm pleased to report that at the close of 22, we had 61 reps.

Speaker 4: And as of today, we have a total of 68 on board.

Speaker 4: I'll talk more about our goals for hiring in 23 in a few minutes.

Speaker 4: Another important factor driving revenues...

Speaker 4: is contract access to hospital members of GPOs or group purchasing organizations.

Speaker 4: In addition to our pre-existing health trust contract and the Premier contract, which became effective on October 1, 2022, we recently announced entry into an agreement with a third national GPO.

Speaker 4: This three-year dual source agreement extends through January of 26 and places TELA in the biosynthetic category. We are very pleased with this new contract as it provides us access to a significant number of new hospitals.

Speaker 4: It's also important to understand that this GPO is strictly administered, which means that we are getting incremental access to customers we would not have otherwise been able to reach.

Speaker 4: Our inclusion in GPO contracts allows physicians to utilize our products without having to first go through a hospital's value analysis committee for access. This clears the way for our sales representatives to introduce surgeons to the use of our Overtext portfolio and grow their usage from there.

Speaker 4: A third factor is the extent of our product offerings.

Speaker 4: We continue to expand our portfolio of complementary soft tissue restoration and preservation solutions.

Speaker 4: Most recently, we announced the launch of two larger Ovetex LPR device configurations.

Speaker 4: These are ellipse-shaped products designed for ventral and incisional hernia repair in robotic and laparoscopic procedures.

Speaker 4: each with a smooth side for placement within the abdominal cavity adjacent to the viscera.

Speaker 4: With 40% of reported OVATEX cases performed robotically and 20% laparoscopically in the fourth quarter of 2022, we expect these two new larger pieces will allow for even broader usage of our products going forward.

Speaker 4: At the beginning of this year, we announced the launch of the NIVIS Fibrillar Collagen PAC.

Speaker 4: This is an absorbent matrix of type 1 and type 3 bovine collagen designed to manage moderately to heavily exudating wounds and to control minor bleeding.

Speaker 4: Type 1 and Type 3 collagen closely resemble the native collagen of a patient and have been shown to stimulate cellular activity and contribute to new tissue development.

Speaker 4: Specifically, Type 3 collagen helps control wound contraction and the amount of scar deposition during wound healing. TELUS NIVUS product is provided in particular form, allowing it to be molded and packed into wounds to facilitate contact with host tissue.

Speaker 4: We're very excited to launch this high quality product, which is already generating physician interest and promises to be a new vehicle of growth in the future.

Speaker 4: We also have a robust internal R&D program developing reinforced resorbable synthetic mesh solutions for soft tissue restoration as well as additional technologies for soft tissue preservation.

Speaker 4: We expect our collaboration, business development, and internal R&D efforts to continue to provide our sales team with a complementary portfolio of products that will yield great outcomes for patients and surgeons.

Speaker 4: The fourth factor, clinical data, is the key focus for us because these trials and studies allow us to highlight the effectiveness and benefits of OvaTEX.

Speaker 4: In October of 22, we announced the publication of very positive two-year recurrence data and patient-reported quality of life outcomes from our Bravo hernias study. We recently also highlighted five other studies published in 22 that demonstrate favorable results with Ovatex. As always, better yet, SUBSCRIBE to hit that Bell for a scary experience.ons maximize ourconfirmed health risks and

Speaker 4: in a variety of hernia and abdominal wall reconstruction applications. We are currently enrolling our BRAVO II study, which will capture data on the effectiveness of OVATEX when used in robotic procedures. As the use of surgical robot systems in general surgery continues to grow,

Speaker 4: We believe OvaText is uniquely positioned to capitalize on this opportunity, and we anticipate using the data from Bravo 2 to further build on that foundation.

Speaker 4: Additionally, we are conducting a retrospective study for our OVITX PRS products, which could potentially be used to support expanded label indications.

Speaker 4: And finally, a fifth growth factor is sales rep productivity. In our most recent analysis, we have continued to see that our newest

Speaker 4: This results from a combination of high quality talent joining TELA in recent years and our Playbook 90 Training and Performance Assessment program. As part of this training, reps become proficient in selling both our Ovitex and Ovitex PRS to a variety of surgeons and specialists.

Speaker 4: We continue to expand the number of accounts that purchase both categories, and when that happens, we experience synergistic productivity gains.

Speaker 4: Specifically, accounts that purchase both OVATEX and OVATEX PRS are more productive than the sum of other accounts that purchase only one or the other product categories. That is 1 plus 1 equals 3 or 4 rather than 2.

Speaker 4: Our refs continually work to leverage this positive dynamic in more and more accounts and we expect this to contribute to continued growth for Tella.

Speaker 4: Before passing it on to Roberto for more details on the financials and expectations for 23, I wanted to provide additional color on the growth of the sales force going forward.

Speaker 4: A year ago, we were a company with one GPO contract and we announced plans to expand our sales force from about 45 to 60 reps over the course of 22.

Speaker 4: Today, we have three quality GPO contracts in place and we are actively pursuing additional targets. To take optimal advantage of these hunting licenses, we have budgeted the hiring of between 15 and 20 additional reps this year, leading to a 23-year-end total of 75 to 80 reps.

Speaker 4: Hiring will be more geographically targeted this year given our presence in 68 territories already.

Speaker 4: We continue to see strong sales rep candidates across the US.

Speaker 4: So we are confident we can grow to this range by the end of the year.

Speaker 4: Additionally, if we see as many strong applicants as we have to date and their availability lines up with the needs of our new territories, we would be sure to have opportunities about exceeding the 20 rep target and achieving more aggressive growth goals.

Speaker 4: We will update you on progress on this front in our quarterly calls over the course of the year.

Speaker 4: With that, I'll turn the call over to Roberto. Thanks, Tony. As Tony mentioned earlier, revenue for the fourth quarter of 2022 increased 39% year over year to $11.6 million, during which OVATEX revenue grew 29% year over year and OVATEX PRS grew 72%.

Speaker 4: We continued to see a headwind in the form of staffing constraints, with procedure volumes still below pre-pandemic levels, but we also experienced a transient contracting challenge, which we now believe is then corrected.

Speaker 4: Specifically, the effectiveness of the new GPO contract on October 1st had two impacts.

Speaker 4: First, any hospital member of the new GPO that had already been buying our products now received a discount, which on its own would have decreased revenue.

Speaker 4: However, a second effect is to open up many new hospitals to the use of TELUS products without the need for Prior Value Analysis Committee approval.

Speaker 4: we had expected that increased volume would more than make up for the ASP pressure in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4: What we found was that hospitals were administratively slow to implement new contracts, which led to a delay in the volume uptake.

Speaker 4: This administrative challenge seems to be resolving with the incremental volume manifesting in the beginning of 2023. Gross margin was 70% for the fourth quarter and 65% for the full year.

Speaker 4: The quarter's gross margin was driven by the cost of goods of product actually sold within the quarter as well as amounts reserved for expected expiration for inventory received within the quarter whether or not it was sold within the quarter.

Speaker 4: Because of the holidays and our manufacturer's seasonal shutdown, we typically receive less inventory in the fourth quarter than in any other quarter. As a result, we expect gross margin in the first quarter of 2023 to step down from the fourth quarter, although the full year should show improvement from 2022.

Speaker 4: Sales and marketing expense was $11.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, compared to $8.3 million in the same period in 2021.

Speaker 4: This increase was mainly due to higher salary, benefit, and commission costs as a result of the expansion of our commercial organization, higher travel and consulting expenses, and additional employee related costs due to increased headcount particularly in our customer facing roles.

Speaker 4: General and administrative expense was 3.2 million dollars in the 4th quarter of 2022 compared to 3.3 million in the same period in 2021. R&D expense was 2.7 million dollars in the 4th quarter of 2022 compared to 1.7 million dollars in the same period last year.

Speaker 4: It increases primarily due to an in-process research and development charge, higher salary and benefit costs due to an increase in headcount, as well as increased consulting and study cost.

Speaker 4: Lost from operations was $9.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to $7.7 million in the prior year period.

Speaker 4: Net loss was 10Million dollars in the 4th quarter of 2022 compared to 8.6Million dollars in the same period in 2021.

Speaker 4: Turning to the full year, 2022 revenue was $41.4 million, an increase of 41% compared to $29.5 million in 2022.

Speaker 4: to 2021 excuse me 2022 gross profit was 27 million dollars compared to 18.8 million dollars in 2021 and increased to 44 percent.

Speaker 4: Sales and marketing expense were $43.4 million for the full year. G&A and R&D were $13.9 million and $8.9 million respectively.

Speaker 4: Loss from operations was $39 million in 2022 compared to $29.5 million in the prior year, and net loss was $44.3 million for 2022 compared to $33.3 million for full year 2021. We ended 2022 with $42 million in cash and cash equivalents.

Speaker 4: Turning to the outlook for 2023, we anticipate revenues to be in the range of $60 to $65 million representing growth to 45% to 57% over the full year 2022.

Speaker 4: I'll now turn the call back to Tony for closing remarks. Tony, thanks Roberto.

Speaker 4: As you just heard, our momentum is strong and we see no signs of it slowing in 2023. In fact, based on our guidance, we are expecting it to accelerate and for good reason.

Speaker 4: In 22, we established a second key GPO agreement quickly, followed by another important national GPO win in early 23.

Speaker 4: We expect to start to see the impact of those agreements over the course of 23.

Speaker 4: We also now have impressive two-year Bravo data in hand.

Speaker 4: We were able to open many eyes regarding OvaTechs with our solid one-year data, so we look forward to educating surgeons about these even longer-term efficacy benefits.

Speaker 4: And in 23, we have even more products to offer and additional reps in the field to detail them.

Speaker 4: We are in the very early days of penetrating an estimated 2.2 billion market opportunity.

Speaker 4: Even having posted impressive growth, revenue growth for successive years since going public, our sales still comprise a relatively small percentage of the total addressable market. That is extremely exciting to us as we believe we have the best combination of proven performance.

Speaker 4: safety and value of any surgical repair solution on the market. I'd like to thank all my colleagues at Tella for making 2022 a tremendously successful year and helping to get 23 off to such a great start. With that, I'll now ask Lisa to open the line for your questions.

Speaker 2: Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask the question.

Speaker 2: Please press star 11 on your telephone.

Speaker 2: One moment while we compile the Q&A roster.

Speaker 2: one moment while we compile the Q&A roster.

Speaker 5: Our first question is coming from Frank of Lake Street. Your line is open. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on all of the questions.

Speaker 5: shaking out, and then two, maybe just give us a feel for a quarterly cadence throughout 2023 as these developments start to hit the model more robustly.

Speaker 4: Sure, thanks, Frank. Yeah, so we did not provide specific guidance on the 1st quarter. Although what we're seeing is reasonable strength, suggesting that the uptake we were expecting volume wise from the new contract that became effective in October . 1st is beginning to hit in the 1st quarter.

Speaker 4: So we are positively encouraged by that.

Speaker 4: As far as cadence, we expect to see a similar type of cadence across the quarters over 2023, with as usual the fourth quarter being the strongest. As you'll note though, the fourth quarter of this past year was not quite as strong comparatively to the rest of the years that have been in years past.

Speaker 4: That, we believe, was due to some headwinds affecting surgical volumes. But we expect the basic cadence to remain the same over the course of the year. Yeah, I'll add a little something, Frank.

Speaker 4: You know, since the COVID situation started, hernia has been the more impacted by the ups and downs of staffing and OR time.

Speaker 4: And I think we saw that throughout last year. One nice element that we're seeing in Q1 thus far is hernia has been strong. So hopefully that's a great signal that we can get all of our products, you know, growing in a clean environment.

Speaker 4: like they can and should based on our development and execution against the five factors. Got it. Okay, that's good color. And then one, my second one on the Salesforce hiring. Looks like that you front-end loaded the hiring this year thus far. Can you talk about how you're thinking about the cadence of hiring throughout?

Speaker 4: front loaded as it was last year. So if you think about it, we began 2022 with just under 45 reps. And we've always talked about having a mature Salesforce size of something on the order of 90 to 100. So more than half of our territories were still open. We then put in 15 Nielsen Airport American Freshland

Speaker 4: reps over the course of last year, and then an additional 8 at the beginning of this year. So it's going to become, you know, we'll need to be a bit more targeted in placing further incremental reps. So the timing could be a bit more stretched out than it was last year. Again, I'll add a little bit of color. I'm really bullish on the talent pool that's coming to us.

Speaker 4: Our regional manager talent is just exceptional right now. The new team that we're putting in place, spliced onto the old team, is just really, really good. And I think they're helping us even up our game even more in attracting and hiring excellent reps.

Speaker 4: So, you know, I think we're in a great position to take our time and make sure that we fill each 1 of these locations territories with the best possible talent. And then a line manager, Berto said with with the GPO access, which is now broad.

Speaker 4: Okay, great. And then maybe last one, a little extra color on the third GPO. Sounds like there's some unique characteristics here being...

Speaker 5: dual source and highly compliant. Maybe just talk about how you expect uptake within this third GPO as it compares to the other GPOs you've contracted.

Speaker 4: Well, let me start by saying, you know, we've never implemented a GPO in a clean environment, right? Health Trust started as COVID started. So I think we're learning and maybe the premier uptake I think is going to be a little different than this third GPO. So this third GPO

Speaker 4: Does not want us to mention their name, so we will certainly abide by that. But they are a smaller GPO, roughly 150 or so hospitals, but very disciplined, tough, I would say, and compliant. So getting on contract there, I think, shows the value proposition.

Speaker 4: that our product offers. The character of all of our GPO contracts as they become available to us and we win them are getting better and better. And I think this last GPO is a good example. We're in the biosynthetic category which means we can compete almost across the whole portfolio of hernias which is great.

Speaker 4: It's a dual source contract, which means many many competitors are eliminated including the market leader, which is unbelievable. So that shows we're in rarefied air, good company and that means we have an 80-20 sort of ratio to compete for. So theoretically over time

Speaker 4: we can compete for at least 80% of that business. And again, that's tied to what we believe is tiered pricing for volume. So we're getting contract structures now that are usually reserved for the big incumbent dominant players. And I think that means our product set is special and we're delivering great value. Thank you.

Speaker 4: You know, that said, you know, we're still feeling our way to understand the best implementation process and the length of time that it takes. Right now, my best guess to be, I hope conservative, is somewhere in that 3 to 6 month period, we'll start to see these contracts get rolling. And I think that's probably the rule of thumb that we should use going forward.

Speaker 5: Okay, that's great. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats again on all the progress.

Speaker 2: Thanks Frank. Thank you. One moment while we prepare for the next question.

Speaker 2: The next question is coming from Matthew O'Brien of Piper. Your line is open.

Speaker 5: Hey, this is Phil on format. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking our question. I guess just to touch on on Q4 performance and specifically as it relates to the less than expected volumes from premiere. Were there any particular reasons for the volume in that GPO specific to premiere?

Speaker 6: And has that ASP discount rolled off at this point?

Speaker 4: Well, so two parts. So when we sign up a new GPO, when we enter into contract, it's often the case that we're already selling to some of the hospitals in that GPO.

Speaker 4: We may have gone through the VAC committee already and so those units that previously would have been a price X will now go through at a slightly lower price because of the discount. So that discount takes effect as of the first day of the contract. So compared to the day before you have a little bit of an ASP headline.

Speaker 4: Now the big bonus of a contract is it opens up a lot of new hospitals to purchasing because physicians can access the products without going to their back. Assuming that each hospital has administratively entered the terms of their contract into their purchasing systems. So what we found is that over the course of the fourth quarter that process

Speaker 4: hospital by hospital to get our products into their systems under the new contract took a bit longer than we were originally expecting. That seems to have resolved itself by the end of the quarter, such that we're now seeing the sort of volume we expected to hit earlier coming through in the first quarter.

Speaker 4: But, you know, it was a transient challenge and something that we've now worked through and a learning that we're going to be applying to our future contracts going forward.

Speaker 6: No, that's helpful, thanks for that, Color. And shifting gears here, just wanted to touch on that mostly hernia-related backlog. You know, assuming you haven't seen much, if any, of that recapture, can you speak to how large that backlog is? I think you've characterized it at about 100,000 procedures in the past. And maybe when we can start to see hospitals operating above that.

Speaker 4: 100% call it in order to start to work through that and recapture some of that backlog. Yeah, maybe I'll just start with the methodology for analyzing that number. There is not clean data on this, so we took third party purchase market research.

Speaker 4: and just did an analysis, sort of an area under the curve analysis, pre-pandemic, post-pandemic and came up with that estimate.

Speaker 4: You know, as we saw 22 unfold, it did not look at all like we were catching up. In fact, it seemed like we were behind for the whole year on pre-pandemic levels. And I'll drill into a regional local example.

Speaker 4: You know, we have a general surgeon that we collaborate with who's sort of transitioning to management for a decent size, New England based regional health system. And he explained it to us this way, particularly to the hernia practice or service up there. He said, look, we're running about 85% of pre-pandemic.

Speaker 4: which means that the backlog just continues to grow and maybe roll forward, we'd have to be running 115% to pre-pandemic levels to catch up. And that's just not going to happen, giving nursing shortages, challenges, and frankly, reduction in LR block time. And hernia is susceptible to that.

Speaker 4: So I think if you apply that lesson across the hundred thousand and a more national view, you're probably not looking at a bolus that's going to come through this system. I think what you're going to do is slowly crawl your way up from 85% back to par and then slowly get beyond par maybe over time.

Speaker 4: as the labor and OR block time challenges sort of sort themselves out over the long term. So I think what we have is a rolling situation where it's just going to roll forward. And so the way we're looking at it is this is a permanent situation. We've proven that we can grow and execute.

Speaker 4: you know, in a much worse environment earlier in the pandemic. And so our job is to figure out how to grow, like this is going to roll forward for the next several years, and that's the way we're treating the situation.

Speaker 6: That is very helpful. I guess just one quick follow-up to that. In your guidance, are you assuming that 85%?

Speaker 6: rate or maybe pushing a little bit higher this year and anything above 85 might be a little bit of upside. Thanks so much. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're assuming our guidance assumption assumes that the availability of operating room space in 2023 is similar to what it was in 2022.

Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Thanks, Bill. Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. One moment for the next question.

Speaker 2: Next question will be coming from Kyle Rose of Panacortes. Your line is open.

Speaker 5: Great, thank you for taking the questions.

Speaker 6: I'm just wondering if you could start from a high level. I mean, obviously, you've had some big GPO wins over the course of the last, call it 18 months. Maybe just frame where we are in 2023 relative to where we were entering 2022. I mean, you did a great job of framing out the sales force structure there, but just how many hospitals do you have access to now?

Speaker 4: versus previously and I guess of the ones you have access to, where's your account base stand? Just kind of help us understand where your team is from actually putting pen to paper and getting access.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm going to say this, I think I think we have not yet seen the impact of both premier and this new 3rd GPO contract at all. Right? It's starting to it's starting to happen as we speak.

Speaker 4: So, if you look at the one piece of data that we can be solid and have an actual real life experience, it's health trust. Right, so health trust started when the pandemic started. And we were unable to implement there, I'd say for half of the three year term of the contract.

Speaker 4: Even with that, 36% of our revenue in Q3 came from health trust.

Speaker 4: 40% of our revenue in Q4 came from health trust. Right, so it shows you that in more normalized circumstances with the five factors getting stronger and stronger that we can really make headway when we have clean operating environment and our internal factors are strong into these systems. So there's no reason to believe.

Speaker 4: why that can't be the case in the next three to six months with Premier and this new contract. Now what's really great as well, and I'm going to announce it for the first time on this call, it's a big deal that Health Trust has renewed with us for four years. Not three years like the first contract, but four years.

Speaker 4: So they're pretty pleased with the way we've handled ourselves, the way we've executed, and the performance of our product, I would say. And so that's very good. So we have three solid national scale contracts in place.

Speaker 4: I think that's a robust footprint that can handle all the five factor expansion plans that we've gone over here today and the Salesforce expansion that Roberto and I have talked about.

Speaker 4: I think that this footprint is big enough that it should allow us to have durable and consistent growth over the next two to three years.

Speaker 4: And it should be much less friction in the system than the way we've been doing it up till now. So you'll recall at 36% health trust in Q3, the balance of that were in IDNs that did not roll up to a contracted GPO.

Speaker 4: So that is a much higher friction process, finding a surgeon champion, value analysis committees, et cetera. We are equipped to do it, and we will continue to do it in addition as a sidecar alongside the GPO contracts.

Speaker 4: So, we actually have for, you know, contracting and execution plays. To help drive growth here, and, you know, that's going to continue as we go forward.

Speaker 6: Great, that's very helpful and congrats on the on the renewal of health trust there. Maybe just a little bit more on the GPO side. Can you just confirm when you're signing these agreements, do they include both OVOTEX and PRS and just maybe the overall uptake or if there is a difference in up?

Speaker 4: both indications and both products.

Speaker 4: So I think it depends right it depends on where the hospital is right there. The hospital isn't just gonna adopt our product without surgeons demanding the product.

Speaker 4: So if we have better relationships than a particular hospital on the plastic side, it may start with PRS and vice versa on the hernia side, right? It's not like these hospitals automatically purchase the product. The first step after you get these contracts remains and always will remain to develop the surge in interest.

Speaker 4: And then once the surgeon realizes it's on contract, then the supply chain says, okay, we'll start to put this implementation process in place, which also can take time. It's fairly bureaucratic. But it's much easier than it is just on an IDN, you know, without a GPO contract. So it depends on where the surgeon relationship is first, whether it's on the hernia, ab wall side, or on the plastic and reconstructive side.

Speaker 6: Okay, and then last question for me and then I'll hop back in is.

Speaker 6: I know you've outlined your five-point plan. From my view, three of those are bigger than the others as far as being on the street new products and new GPO opportunities. You already commented previously that guidance assumes no improvement, fundamental improvement in the backdrop, at least from a hospital staffing and throughput perspective.

Speaker 4: How do we think about the drivers of GPO, new products, and new headcount? Where's the biggest impact from a metric perspective that we should be seeing this year?

Speaker 4: So, we always refer to them as five factors because we do believe that they are multiplicative. So, you know, we get the limit case example that you wouldn't want to build a 100 person sales force when you didn't have any GPOs in place. So, we've been trying to evolve them both in parallel. So, I think it's the size of the sales force and the number of GPOs.

Speaker 4: from last year and the new ones that we hired this year will have a lot of you know new ground to till as far as getting new sales.

Speaker 4: So, you know, we believe that, you know, those two are the ones that will work the strongest together and the ones that we pushed hardest on advancing.

Speaker 5: Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Let's now prepare for the next question.

Speaker 2: Our next question is coming from David of JMP. Your line is open.

Speaker 7: Great, good afternoon. Maybe one for Roberto, given the comments you made on the hiring side and some of the new product launches you may have. Could you give us any color on the net loss, the operating loss, even if it's just directionally versus what you did in 2022? I imagine it's going to be slightly larger, but...

Speaker 7: Is there any color you can provide there? So we haven't provided bottom line guidance. I guess what I do is I walk through each of the components of OPEX.

Speaker 4: So, G&A should be the same in 2023 as in 2022, you know, very slightly higher possibly. R&D will grow a little bit as we advance through clinical studies and as we dig in further into our own internal R&D development programs. And then sales and marketing is the one that's going to step up the most. So there'll be two effects.

Speaker 4: One is the annualization of the hiring that we did last year and the second will be the growth that we experienced this year, depending on when exactly that time's out. So I think, you know.

Speaker 4: We're not providing guidance on operating loss, but I think directionally you're thinking about it as correct.

Speaker 7: Great. Then Tony, I think we said last quarter three new products and you mentioned the two larger OvaTechs LPR, but that's not the second gen hernia or PRS devices. Are they still on tap for 23 launches?

Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a third product that is getting extremely close. So we'll keep you posted on that. So.

Speaker 4: We will deliver three new substantial products this year for sure. Great, and then maybe I'll speak one last one in. Who makes the NIVIS or the Bovine Collagen? We're partnered with CMI in New Jersey on that product.

Speaker 4: deliver three new substantial products this year for sure. Great, and then maybe I'll speak one last one in. Who makes the NIVIS or the Bovine Collagen? We're partnered with CMI in New Jersey on that product. Great, thank you.

Speaker 2: Thank you. This concludes today's Q&A session. I would like to turn the call over to Tony K Donn molecule, for closing remarks.

Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you everybody for tuning in. We look forward to reporting on Q1 next and we really appreciate your interest and support. See you next time. Thank you. Have a great night.

Speaker 2: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. Everyone have a pleasant evening and you may all disconnect.

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