Q4 2022 Snap One Holdings Corp Earnings Call
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Welcome to SNAP-1 Holdings Corp's fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session.
Speaker 3: I would now like to turn the call over to SNAP-1's Senior Vice President of Finance, Eric Steele. Sir, please proceed.
Speaker 4: Great. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to SNAP-1's fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Joining us today from SNAP-1 are John Heyman, CEO , and Mike Carlett, CFO . Before we begin, we would like to remind everyone that our prepared remarks will be recorded.
Speaker 4: undue reliance should not be placed upon them. Although we believe these expectations are reasonable, we undertake no obligation to revise any statements to reflect changes that occur after this call. Actual events or results could differ materially.
Speaker 4: These statements are based on current expectations of the company's management and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the risk factor section of our latest annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. All non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call are reconciled in our earnings press release to the most directly comparable GAAP measure.
Speaker 4: This call also contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the time and date of this broadcast, March 14, 2023.
Speaker 4: Finally, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being webcast and a recording will be made available for replay on our Investor Relations website at investors.SNP1.com. In addition to the webcast, we have posted a supplemental earnings presentation accompanying these results, which can also be found on our Investor Relations website.
Speaker 4: I will now turn the call over to our CEO John Hamon. John .
Speaker 5: Eric, thank you and welcome everyone and thanks for joining us this afternoon.
Speaker 5: To begin today's discussion, I'll give some company background, followed by a review of our recent performance, and then I'll turn the call over to our CFO , Mike Carlet. Mike will discuss our financial results for the quarter and year in more depth, as well as provide our outlook for 2023.
Speaker 5: After that, I'll share some closing remarks before opening the call for questions.
Speaker 5: Let's get started.
Speaker 5: To begin, at SNAP1 we provide a smart living platform that empowers professional integrators to deliver joy, connectivity, and security to discerning residential and commercial customers on a global scale. As a leading distributor to these integrators, we work with our network of approximately 20,000 people.
Speaker 5: professional, do-it-for-me integrators to distribute our proprietary and third-party products through our e-commerce portal and growing local branch network.
Speaker 5: We further support our integrator partners with our proprietary software platforms and workflow solutions to allow them to successfully serve their customers across the project life cycle. We are confident there is a tremendous and durable growth opportunity in front of us and we are positioning our integrator partners to be the best solution for our customers.
Speaker 5: to realize this growth with us.
Speaker 5: We believe homeowners will continue to upgrade their existing technology. We know the U.S. is under housed by millions of homes that would be built in the future. And we are confident small business formation will continue to be the backbone of the economy.
Speaker 5: It is inarguable that homes and businesses will become smarter over the next decade, and many will require professional help to integrate and support the technology they need. This is the number one driver of our long-term growth, and no company is better positioned for this feature than SNAP-1.
Speaker 5: Our growth algorithm is simple. Continue to attract more integrator partners and capture more of their spend by building new products and driving adoption of our ecosystems.
Speaker 5: This formula will drive our growth over the next decade and we will remain focused on executing this strategy while managing through the near-term uncertainty.
Speaker 5: Turning now to our recent performance, our team delivered solid fourth quarter results, and despite a challenging macro environment, we achieved strong growth in net sales and adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2022. I am proud of what the entire team has accomplished as we navigated the ongoing impacts.
Speaker 5: of a dynamic operating environment while continuing to deliver for integrator partners.
Speaker 5: For the fiscal year, we delivered $1,124,000,000 in net sales and generated $114,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA, representing year-over-year growth of 11% and 3%, respectively.
Speaker 5: Our fiscal fourth quarter results exceeded the guidance we shared last time we spoke.
Speaker 5: While the industry continues to reduce inventory levels in the channel, we saw integrator partner activity remain steady through Q4 as they work against healthy backlogs in their own businesses.
Speaker 5: The channel inventory build-up helped sales in the first half of 2022, but has been a continuing headwind for us since then as integrators deplete inventory. Mike will elaborate on this dynamic in his remarks. Looking back on 2022, a major focus for us is the
Speaker 5: was enhancing the smart living experience by improving both hardware and software offerings for our integrators and consumers.
Speaker 5: At year end in early 2023, we successfully introduced exciting new products across our outdoor entertainment lineup, linear lighting, control, surveillance, and our networking product categories. We're particularly excited about Halo.
Speaker 5: our new family of Control4 remotes, Arachnus wireless access points, which enable enhanced connection speeds with Wi-Fi 6 technology, vibrant linear lighting, which provides a fully immersive lighting experience, and episode radiance, which builds on our suite of outdoor entertainment products.
Speaker 5: Importantly, many of our new products will drive upgrade opportunities.
Speaker 5: for our installed base of end customers.
Speaker 5: Our products and services garnered significant industry recognition in 2022, including 17 CE ProQuest for Quality awards out of 22 identified subcategories.
Speaker 5: 40 top 3 brand rankings across 62 identified product subcategories in the 2022 CE Pro 100 brand analysis awards. And 2 mark of excellence awards at the consumer electronics show. In January of this year.
Speaker 5: I'd also like to highlight a few strategic accomplishments across our businesses.
Speaker 5: this past year. We continue to invest in and bolster our software and service offering.
Speaker 5: We released the Control4 OS 3.3.0 update, introduced the Oversea Connect app, and completed the acquisition of Parasol, a powerful 24x7 remote support service based on Oversea.
Speaker 5: Two, our commercial and security growth markets remain important long-term opportunities for us and we display continued progress in these areas in 2022.
Speaker 5: In commercial, we executed on product development, including the Control4 multi-display manager functionality that was voted an AV Technology Best of InfoComm 22 award winner. In security, we acquired home automation and security products provider ClearUp Controls.
Speaker 5: and announce the upcoming launch of the new Luma X20 IP surveillance solution, which is now shipping.
Speaker 5: 3. We expanded our omni-channel presence by opening 8 net new local branches in 22, including several in Q4, and acquiring 2 new branches in Canada through the acquisition of Staab. This brings the total number of North American branches to 41 as of year end.
Speaker 5: Four, further enhancing our omni-channel initiative, we have begun to convert our e-commerce customers to a single e-commerce portal which will drive efficiencies in our business, make our integration partners' lives easier, and allow us to drive marketing programs with higher efficacy.
Speaker 5: We believe that we made significant progress with our strategy in 2022 and are increasingly well positioned for a long-term, smart living evolution over the coming years.
Speaker 5: Our position in the industry remains quite strong, and we are confident that growth in smart living adoption, the central role of the integrator in providing holistic solutions, and our competitive differentiation will propel our long-term success.
Speaker 5: As to the economy and its impact on our business,
Speaker 5: As we discussed last quarter, we saw some softening around our residential end market, resulting in lower sales volumes relative to the first half of 2022.
Speaker 5: We continue to see signs of end consumer cautiousness.
Speaker 5: and elevated levels of channel inventory, which impacted our integrator partners' purchasing habits.
Speaker 5: Anecdotally, project delays and discoping are occurring as integrators seek to value engineer projects in response to a more price conscious end consumer.
Speaker 5: Last quarter, we described our integrator partners had accumulated additional inventory in response to supply.
Speaker 5: And we expected an impact of about $40 to $60 million over the subsequent quarters as they rebalanced their own inventory positions.
Speaker 5: Since our last call, we have leveraged our overseas software to see when products purchased by the integrator are actually put into service. With the benefit of this added visibility, we now believe inventory in the channel peaked towards the end of Q2 of 2022.
Speaker 5: but well above the high end of the rage we previously communicated.
Speaker 5: Since then, we have seen strong signs of de-stocking across the channel and expect to reach a normalized state in the second half of 23.
Speaker 5: While the residential market remains a bit soft, our diversified business model allows us to serve integrator partners across a variety of end markets.
Speaker 5: These partners do remain busy and continue to prove their resiliency, showcasing their ability to pivot projects and adapt to the current environment. Historically, their capacity has been a governor on our growth, particularly given the tight labor market, with demand for their services exceeding supply.
Speaker 5: So some contraction in end consumer demand can be absorbed by the channel given the ongoing capacity constraints.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we continue to invest in the long-term growth of the business to extend our leadership position.
Speaker 5: However, given the uncertain macro backdrop, we have reviewed our long-term operating plan and prioritized investments in areas that we believe will position us for sustained long-term growth while curtailing spend in other places.
Speaker 5: Here are some actions we've taken. Number one, we're eliminating inefficiencies in the business from the COVID time period.
Speaker 5: As input costs, freight rates, and other supply chain factors normalize, we are driving an improvement in our contribution rate.
Speaker 5: efficiency by not having to redesign products in response to componentry availability challenges.
Speaker 5: Three, we completed a strategic repositioning of our sales force to increase integrator partner coverage and identified other areas of efficiency in the business.
Speaker 5: And four, we're being diligent with costs in our business, ranging from warehouse operation consolidation to reducing travel expenses.
Speaker 5: Collectively, these changes resulted in a modest workforce reduction of about 3% in our business in the first quarter of 2023.
Speaker 5: I'm going to now comment briefly on our outlook and then I'll turn the call over to Mike. As we look to the rest of 2023, we expect the operating environment to remain challenging, particularly in the residential end market. In response, we have constructed an operating plan that reflects a heightened focus on delivering strong profitability and driving operating margin expansion. Why is it so important to ensure the
Speaker 5: we are executing on controllable strategies consistent with our long-term growth algorithm that will enable us to outperform. These include
Speaker 5: One, increasing our share of wallet with existing integrators through the adoption of our ecosystems and new products. Two, continuing to innovate, invest in, and launch exciting new smart living products. Three, open new local branches.
Speaker 5: Four, adding new integrator partners across our business, including in security and commercial markets where we continue to see outsized growth. And finally, enhancing our software platform capabilities and introducing new software and service-based solutions.
Speaker 4: further.
Speaker 5: We intend to deliver this relative growth while driving scale in our operating model through
Speaker 5: improving our contribution margin rate as input in supply chain costs such as freight, logistics, commodities and componentry costs continue to normalize, moderating our investment pace to drive efficiency and optimize productivity, and finally strengthening our balance sheet.
We remain confident in our operating model and still, while demand has stabilized at current levels, persistent macro uncertainty causes us to take a pragmatic approach to our near-term forecast. We are therefore setting our net sales and adjusted dividend guidance for 23 accordingly.
and Mike will discuss this in further detail. We believe our resilient integrator partners, our diversified business model, and consistently strong execution will continue to position us to prosper in a dynamic macro environment.
Mike, with that, I'll turn the call over to you to discuss the fourth quarter and full year financial results.
23 outlook in greater detail.
outlook in greater detail.
So I'll turn now to our financial results for the fiscal fourth quarter and for the full year ended December 30th, 2022. Net sales in the fiscal fourth quarter decreased 1.9% to 268.2 million dollars from 273.5 million in the comparable year ago period.
The extra week in fiscal fourth quarter 2021 added approximately $17.9 million in net sales, and excluding that extra week, net sales increased approximately 5%.
For the full year end of December 30th, net sales increased 11.5% to $1.124 billion, up from $1.008 billion in the comparable year-ago period. Again, the extra week in Fiscal 21 added $17.9 million, so excluding that extra week, net sales increased approximately 14%.
The growth in net sales during the quarter and year reflects several drivers.
First, organic growth, including higher selling prices, resulting from price adjustments enacted across our product portfolio in 2022. The collective ramp of eight net new local branches opened in 2022 also contributed to organic growth.
Several of these branches were open in the most recent quarter, bringing the company's total local branch count to 41 as of year-end.
Additionally, the company benefited from incremental sales contributions from Saab, which was required early in 2022.
Now let me talk for a minute about the impact of channel inventory.
As John noted in his comments, we have performed additional analysis to refine our view and channel inventory amount and the timing of that inventory coming in and flowing out.
Based upon our visibility into the timeline from when a product is shipped from our warehouse to when it is installed and activated within our overseas software, we now estimate that channel inventory began to build and the channel inventory began to build.
in 2021 and peaked at over 100 million dollars towards the end of the second quarter of 2022 before beginning a steady unwind. For full year 22, we estimate the in-year impact was a net 25 to 30 million dollar benefit to our top-line results as the selling that occurred during the first half of the year.
was partially offset by the sell-down in the second half of the year. On a year-over-year basis, the channel inventory impacts were approximately the same in 2021 and 2022, meaning there was an insignificant impact to the top-line growth rate.
However, the channel inventory impact was much more pronounced in the fiscal fourth quarter. We believe between $15 and $20 million of destocking occurred in Q4 of 2022, representing an approximate 10 to 15 percent headwind to year-over-year growth in the quarter as we lacked inventory load-in activity in Q4 of 2021. As John noted earlier, we anticipate continued channel destocking of about $15 to $25 million per quarter.
over the first three quarters of 2023 before reaching a normalized state in the second half of the year.
Turning now to contribution margin, one of the most significant drivers of our 22 financial performance was the impact of a challenging supply chain environment. Inbound freight rates, ship shortages, and other supply chain challenges persisted throughout the year and required significant effort and expense to overcome.
We began to see an improvement in the second half of 2022 and anticipate supply chain normalization in 2023.
With that said, our contribution margin, a non-GAAP measurement of operating performance, decreased 0.1% to $105.8 million, or 39.4% of net sales in the fiscal fourth quarter, from 105.9 million, or 38.7% of net sales in the comparable year-ago period.
On a dollar basis, the flat year-over-year contribution margin performance reflects the modest decline in net sales and continued product mix shift to third-party products, which typically carry a lower contribution margin as a percentage of net sales relative to our proprietary product. These factors were partially offset by the higher selling prices and improvement in the supply chain environment in the fourth quarter as compared to the remainder of the year.
In the fiscal fourth quarter, third-party product sales represented 35.3% of net sales compared to 32.2% in the comparable year-ago period.
Contribution margin as a percentage of net sales improved by 70 basis points on a year-over-year basis driven by higher selling prices, net of product costs, mix and supply chain impacts.
For the full year 2022, contribution margin increased 8.1% to 441.2 million, or 39.3% of net sales, up from 408.1 million, or 40.5% of net sales in the comparable year-ago period.
On a dollar basis, the increase in contribution margin was driven by the net sales growth, partially offset by the continued product mix shift to third-party products.
For the full year 22, third-party product sales represented 32.2% of net sales compared to 30.3% in the comparable year-ago period.
Contribution margin and the percentage of net sales declined on a year-over-year basis due to product costs and mixed supply chain impacts, which was offset by the higher selling prices that were enacted. Selling general and in-administrative, or SG&A expenses, in our fiscal fourth quarter decreased 9% to $83 million, or 31% of net sales, from $91.2 million, or 33.4% of net sales in the year-ago period.
The decrease in SG&A expenses was primarily attributable to the lapping of the extra week in last year's fiscal fourth quarter and lower variable compensation expense.
For the full year ended December 30, 2022, SG&A expenses increased 1.2% to $354.3 million, or 31.5% of net sales, up from $350.3 million in the prior year, or 34.7% of net sales.
The increase in SG&A expenses during the year was primarily attributable to higher personnel expenses due to increased headcount from new local branch openings in M&A, a resumption in pre-COVID travel, and ongoing investments to support strategic growth initiatives offset by lower variable compensation. In fiscal year 2022, we also incurred the full year burden of
compared to a net loss of $36.5 million for the full year of 2021. Our adjusted EBITDA and non-GAAP measurement of operating performance told $26.9 million or 10% of net sales in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to $26 million or 9.5% of net sales in the comparable year-ago period.
And for the full year ended December 30, 2022, adjusted EBITDA increased 3% to $114.1 million, or 10.2% of net sales, up from 110.8%, or 11% of net sales, for the full year 2021. These changes in adjusted EBITDA were primarily attributable to net sales and contributions
Just admit income, a non-GAAP measurement of operating performance, decreased 24.9% to $10.5 million, or 3.9% of net sales, from $13.9 million, or 5.1% of net sales in the year-ago period.
And for the full year into December 30, 2022, adjusted net income decreased 1.9% to $52.6 million, or 4.7% of net sales from $53.6 million, or 5.3% of net sales, again, in the comparable year-ago period.
Finally, free cash flow, a non-gap measurement of operating performance, totaled negative $44.6 million in the fiscal year ended December 30, 2022, compared to negative $40.4 million in the comparable year-ago period.
The decrease in free cash flow was primarily attributable to capital expenditures associated with the build-out of our new corporate office in Lehi, Utah.
new local branch openings, and capitalized IT costs.
Net cash used in operating activities for the fiscal year ended December 30, 2022, was negative $23.1 million.
This use of cash was primarily driven by an increase in inventory to protect against supply chain uncertainty.
Our target inventory level, based upon our current demand, remains at approximately $275 million. And while we anticipate continued modest inventory growth in the first quarter of 2023, we remain confident in our plan to right size inventory levels this year.
At the end of the fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022, we had approximately $104.1 million of liquidity, including cash and cash equivalents of $21.1 million, an undrawn revolver capacity of $82.9 million. Just a few other KPIs that we had talked about on an annual basis.
We introduced a few annual key performance indicators or KPIs after fiscal Q1 of last year provide enhanced visibility into key operating metrics.
These KPIs regard the count of transacting domestic integrators and the spend for transacting domestic integrator and we'll continue to present these metrics on an annual basis. In fiscal year 2022 we transacted with approximately 20.1 thousand different domestic integrators.
who spent on average $45,500 each.
On a year-over-year basis, the number of transacting domestic integrators and spend per transacting domestic integrators increased 0.5% and 9.6% respectively.
Over time, we have demonstrated the consistent ability to grow both our number of domestic integrators and our spend per domestic integrator. Now before I turn the call back over to John , I'll take a few minutes to provide our financial outlook for fiscal 2023.
As a reminder, SNAP-1 provides annual guidance for net sales as well as adjusted EBITDA, as we believe these metrics to be key indicators for the overall performance of our business.
Our fiscal 2023 guidance considers all our full fiscal year 22 performance and our expectation that market uncertainty will persist throughout 2023.
As such, we're taking a pragmatic approach to our outlook for the year as follows. First, we expect net sales in the fiscal year ending December 29, 2023 to range between $1.05 billion and $1.09 billion, which would represent a decrease of 6.6% to a decrease of 3%.
compared to the prior fiscal year on an as-reported basis. We believe the contributing factors to 2023 net sales change are as follows.
First, an 8 to 10 percent headwind from the channel inventory de-stocking that we previously mentioned.
Second, we expect to see 2-5% organic growth, which includes pricing carryover from last year, local branch ramp up and new openings.
And three, a small 1% impact from recently completed M&A.
We expect adjusted EBITDA to range between 107 and 115 million, representing a decrease of 6.2% to an increase of 0.8% compared to the prior fiscal year on an as-reported basis.
Our adjusted EBITDA guidance reflects our commitment to drive incremental adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2023.
We expect to achieve this both through contribution, margin rate improvement as supply chain and input costs normalize, as well as continued discipline operating expense management. And as we think about quarterly trending in 2023, we expect our year over year net sales change in Q1 to be down mid to high teens on a percentage basis.
and our top-line growth rates to sequentially improve each quarter over the course of the year. We anticipate a return to year-over-year growth in the second half of the year as we work through this channel de-stocking.
We expect contribution margin rate to improve quarter over quarter in Q123 versus Q4 2022 and to continue to sequentially improve during the year.
This contribution margarine improvement reflects the realized and additional anticipated supply chain and input cost normalization.
From an adjusted EBITDA perspective, we expect adjusted EBITDA margin compression year-over-year in Q123 to mid-single digits given the lower net sales, followed by a return to year-over-year adjusted EBITDA margin improvement for the Ranger of the Year as we realize the contribution margin rate expansion. And finally, before I pass the call back over to John .
As a reminder, last year, SNAP-1's Board of Directors approved a stock repurchase program that authorized potential repurchases of up to $25 million of our common stock on the date of approval, which was May 12, 2022, through the end of 2023.
As of December 30, 2022, we had repurchased approximately 269,000 shares of our common stock at an aggregate value of approximately $2.9 million.
Consistent with our capital allocation policy, we will continue to prioritize in this order A, our balance sheet strength, B, our organic growth investments, and C, our capital allocation policy.
see creative M&A opportunities, and finally, our opportunistic share repurchase program. That completes my summary. John , turn the call back over to you for any additional commentary.
Thanks, Mike. A few concluding thoughts before we take Q&A. First, for 2023, just to reiterate, we have confidence in our proprietary product launches, the growth in adjacent markets, such as commercial and security, our local branch opening strategy, and the benefit of last year's pricing adjustments.
We also anticipate returning to our favorable contribution margin rate trajectory as costs related to the supply chain continue to alleviate, and we execute in line with a disciplined operating expense model.
Second, we remain committed to our strategy. This includes new product launches. This includes software investments and platform developments.
all in service of supporting our integrators to capitalize on the opportunity in front of us and them. Even in an uncertain operating environment, we continue to strive to be the one partner that our integrators trust to support and grow their business. And third, as I've said before, we believe all homes are safe.
businesses will become smarter over the next decade.
driving demand for the types of experiences we offer today and those we can only imagine in the future. We're investing in scaling our operations and platforms to drive better solutions for the end consumer, more capacity for the integrator, and growth for SNAP-1 in a way that increases our operating margins over time.
We'll believe the actions that we took at the close of 22 and so far in 23 have prepared us to succeed in this environment While also positioning us for longer-term sustainable growth.
And with that operator, please open the call for Q&A. Thank you. At this time, we'll open the line for questions from the company's publishing analysts. The company requests that each participant limit their comments to one question and one follow-up.
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Our first question comes from Eric Woodring with Morgan Stanley . You may proceed. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. So maybe just to start on the annual disclosures that you provided, the 1000 net new integrators in 2022, can you maybe just unpackage that a little bit and help us understand maybe where some of those integrators were added?
guidance when we think about the number of transacting integrators and then spend per integrator. The San Jose Institute of Technology and Education alsoThese arebara
Go ahead, Mike.
Well, Eric first good to see you last week. I'll start John and I feel free to jump in First of all, just to be clear the number increased by a hundred from twenty
thousand to 20.1 thousand, not by a thousand. So a relatively small increase year over year in the number of transacting integrators. As we think about that growth, we continue to see good growth in security and commercial. We actually saw a little bit of contraction in the home AV side of the transacting indicator count, which is not surprising.
given the market that was out there, given the way the supply chain moved, and knowing that we have a long tail of indicators that spend relatively small dollars with us. So that number in there with the turn of that lower integrator count doesn't really concern us. Last year we were more focused on spend per and pricing with all the supply chain challenges that were there.
given the normal um turn year, somebody is going t going to sell their busin that we need to add over just to stay flat and we happen. But when we build year coming up, we're exp
Most of our sales increase to be coming from a spend per integrator and share of wallet But for the future as we think about our long-term growth algorithm. We do expect both to be equivalent contributors to our long-term growth Awesome, thank you for that color mic and good to see you as well last week
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Paul Chung with JP Morgan, you may proceed.
Hi, thanks for taking my question. So just wanted to ask about some of the feedback from integrators for the year ahead. I guess –
Some competitors were kind of talking about rebounding order kind of growth in February and March. Are you seeing that? And then what are new products? Are indicators like most excited about from kind of the new product portfolio? And you know, which areas are they seeing some softening demands?
Sure, this is John .
You had a few questions packed in there, but let me try to. Answer them all I'd say we saw, you know, rather than rely on anecdote, we try to rely on survey data and we.
we saw a what I would call mild decline in integrator sentiment that translated into their backlogs but the backlogs still remain healthy and the sentiment still remains positive.
That decline we saw at the end of last year into January , we saw it turn upwards in February . So that's a positive signal.
number one. Number two, and that's on the industry as opposed to our products. I think on our products
the excitement that we're seeing around our new LUMA surveillance product. Our previous LUMA product was a bit old in the tooth. We're seeing great excitement around that.
and the software platform that underlies that. Our Halo remote line that offers a host of capabilities to the end consumer, including voice control, I think is something that, um,
consumers are already providing great feedback on and integrators are really excited because it's a family of products as opposed to one so it allows them to meet a variety of budgets.
I'd say the Radiance outdoor product line is kind of a one-of-a-kind product that combines lighting and audio. There's great reception around that product, but that's something that comes more in the spring.
and kind of our host of our lighting products. So I think we've created a significant amount of excitement. We view those as...
Fairly incremental to this year sales many of those products are replacing other products that we already had. But we think they're critical to integrate our adoption and share wallet over the coming. Uh, uh, years, so, uh, really feel good about that and. We haven't had any.
A negative response to any of those products. I would also say we had a major oversee release. During the quarter that is now out in the market and after. After some pains of any kind of change management that comes with software adoption, that's been.
Really well received I am not seeing in our sales data or anecdotally. Any products that are integrators are...
Shine away from in terms of categories of products, et cetera. So, the product development team's done a great job. I think across the board, you know, we feel like we're. The leaders in many of these product categories, the awards I've mentioned.
speaks to that and I feel like we've only upped the game with the products we're introducing. Great, that's super helpful. And then just to follow up, how do we think about the product mix on the top line?
throughout the year, integrative versus domestic versus international mix.
And then, can we start to see possibly some RMR revenue this year as well? Thank you.
Mike, why don't you take the mix question and on the RMR side, we are. You know, we already have, you know, low 8 figure. RMR revenues in the business. Um, so that comes from our. Paracel service offering in our foresight.
software offering. We've spoken about the huge opportunity in front of this industry to...
deliver against a recurring revenue model. And we think it's a very healthy model, aligning the end customer with the integrator with us.
We are in market testing right now with integrators with that product line, and we'll continue to keep you guys abreast of that, but we're seeing generally very favorable response and extending our in-market testing with a few more integrators as we speak.
Mike, you want to talk to the mix question? Sure, John . I think as we talk about 2023 and how we're thinking about the business, within the model that we talked about in our guidance, we would say that we expect the 1P-3P mix to remain relatively flat in 2023 versus 2022. We expect there will be some adoption.
of new 3P products. We're going to continue to drive share of wallet of our proprietary products. Now we did that. There are certain initiatives that we're looking at that are not in our guidance right now and not in our models that we may or may not choose launch that could change that mix. But that would be incremental to how we thought about the existing model. Today, you know, the vast majority of our business is our domestic integrator business. It's over 85% of our business today.
That might even grow a little bit. I think the international markets remain a little bit more challenged just with some of the issues going on in Europe and some other challenges that are there. So I do think you'll see our domestic partner business as an overall share of our business increase slightly in the coming year.
Great, thank you so much. Thanks, Paul.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Snyder with UBS. You may proceed. You may proceed.
Thank you, and appreciate all the guidance. It's certainly not an easy macro to guide in, but I was just hoping for me a little bit more color on what macro assumptions underlie the guidance, because it seems to suggest further deterioration in the RESI backdrop, because I'm looking at Q4.
If I was going to think about the components of growth, and I'll talk about roughly around the midpoint of our guidance range, you know, two to three percent of that will be pricing, most of which is carryover from the pricing we already did last year. Very minimal pricing impacts this year. We announced about a blended half point price change on February 1st that just took effect this week. And that's really the only pricing activity as we sit here today that we anticipate in 2023.
We think our new local stores and the ramp up of local stores will drive another 2 to 3 percent group The biggest headwind out there as we talked about is that inventory number which is going to be you know around the 9% headwind Maybe 10 maybe 8 you know depending upon how that these stocks and where it falls out There's a really small piece of carryover M&A from last year about a point
And so if you do all that, you know, what we're left with from volume is a down 2 to 3% from just a market standpoint. And we're looking at that saying, you know, what we're hearing from integrators is while they still have good backlogs, the backlog is a little bit lower than it used to be. We believe the capacity issue that's there, but we do think there'll be, you know, some integrators at the bottom end. Maybe not. We'll see the backlog dip into.
less than full capacity, which may drive some small decreases in the overall market. So we are assuming that the market will see some small contraction this year as housing activity and remodel activity remain a bit challenged. I think that's probably the biggest variable out there as we think about what's going to happen for the full year. I think we feel really good about our visibility into the other numbers. And I think this sort of volume number in the market backdrop.
And our ability to capture share of wallet during that timeframe is going to be where we really see performance. Could be up to how we're able to perform. And then what does the market do with the macro that's out there?
No, thank you. I appreciate all that color. And then for my follow up, you know, kind of maybe a longer term one and it's on the integrator count, you know, didn't really grow in 22, obviously a very tight labor market. But what gives you guys confidence, you know, for a multi year basis, you know, that that can be driven.
higher and You know does that present any risk to the longer term growth algorithm? Thank you this John It's a great question Chris we we feel strongly that there's a
significant market, tens of thousands of integrators that we don't do business with today. Many of those are in the security and commercial sector, but there's others as well.
significant market, tens of thousands of integrators that we don't do business with today. Many of those are in the security and commercial sector, but there's others as well who are buying smart home technology.
And I would just say, you know, last year, our sales force was intensely focused.
And I would just say, you know, last year, our sales force was intensely focused on
helping integrators find product because of the supply chain.
So the notion of being able to go out and recruit new integrators.
was just something they didn't have time for. And second, in some areas, we were concerned about inventory availability. And so I feel like...
Our acquisition efforts were hampered a bit last year because of that. We're looking forward to getting back to normal with the acquisition programs that have worked for this company for a decade where we're able to recruit. Two to three thousand new integrators annually.
I would say as we approach this year, 2023, I feel like we are focused on driving higher operating margins.
The best way to do that is sell what you got to the customers you got. And that is where our biggest focus is around share of wallet. As we get comfortable with the operating environment, we will
then turn on the acquisition machine in a more intense manner. But we know that there are tens of thousands of integrators to attract to our business platform and our product offering. Appreciate that, John .
Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Adam Tindall with Raymond James. You may proceed.
Okay, thanks. Good afternoon. Maybe John and for Mike as well, I just wanted to start with the 2020-2023 guidance, which I appreciate. More about the cadence of the year, I'm sure we'll get questions on this tomorrow. So I think you've mentioned a mid to high teens decline in Q1 with an expectation to return to year-over-year growth in the back half of the year.
Yeah, no, great, great question, Adam. Definitely there. We're not going to guide the quarter specifically, but let me give you some directional numbers. I think clearly the biggest number we're using to predict here is this inventory in the channel and the year-over-year impacts. How did inventory come in last year and how is it going to come out this year as we think about that year-over-year? And so the way we're looking at it right now, our best guess is it's going to be about a 20 percent headwind in Q1.
somewhere around the 20% um a slight headwind, a c it was coming out in 2022 a less significant issue. get the Q4 if our mod of it comes out in the fi somebody probably get to
positive on a year over y as we lap the inventory t be pretty much fully woun and science and that and numbers, but that's at le
moves. That's by far the out there. The other thin the pricing changes we di done in February and done going to impact much more the year. So, you know, 3 Q. 2. Um, and much more f the back half of the year benefit of um, of this ye Um, and then everything e standard across the board there's not a lot of
the business model correctly, that will actually be a tailwind to cash flow. And sorry if I missed it, but if you could maybe cover your cash flow expectations for the year and any expectations on the progression of that would be very helpful. Thanks.
Sure. You know, we don't specifically guide cash flow, but I'll give you just some highlights and overview of where we think we'll be. Certainly from an inventory standpoint, you know, we ended the year with over 300 million dollars of inventory. It's going to continue to creep up in Q1 this year as we think about Chinese New Year and just stocking for that and just the cadence of bringing product in.
the end of Q3, the end of Q4, depends upon some timing, but we do see that. So, you know, throughout the years, we think about that inventory balance dropping by $25 or $30 million. That will certainly be a source of cash and a tailwind to cash flow. Other than that, you know, our cash flow we think will be very, very normal with our adjusted EBITDA, not very much else going on with working capital outside that inventory number. Our normal level of CapEx, we've got a couple million dollars more.
left in our Lehigh office got a couple million doll But other than that, it's as we always talk about, that's out there. We made recently this year. That $1,000,000 that was made
There's still $111 million liability on that. We don't have another payment to make in Poll Q1 of next year, but we did pay $11 million towards the TRA and Q1 this year. Very helpful. Thanks, Mike. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Keith Hughes with Truist. You may proceed.
A question on the restocking we talked about a lot here. Is there specific products that you think are really heavy in the channel? And then on that, how do you sort of gauge where channel inventory is? How is that actually done?
Yeah, it's great question, Keith. John , I'll jump on this and then feel free to add any color if you want. I think, you know, as we talked about it last time and last quarter, and as we talked about, this was never a big issue on our channel. Historically, something we had not paid a lot of attention to, you know, our partners, 20,000 integrators out there, buy products today, and they're typically installing on a job next week, next month, as that job is going to completion.
I think what we think and what we believe is as the supply chain really became challenged as integrators and our partners found it more problematic to find products, you know, if they can't get their hands on products, they can't complete a job They can't get paid and so they look to those products that that had the most risk of stocking out that had the lowest Replaceability that had the highest switching cost instead. We're going to start thinking about stocking up on them. So things like control systems
things like your network system, your oversee, your remote management system products are the ones that are there. And so the way we sized it last time was we went out, we did a bunch of survey work with our partners and asked them, how much has your inventory grown? We also looked very specifically at our control products and looked at how many control or shipments did we have versus how many were installed and took that differential and tried to extrapolate. So that's where we came up with the numbers we talked about last time. But knowing the magnitude of this issue and trying to be more scientific about it are.
our product team and our in hand and start doing a work. And whenever we shi is oversee enabled when t warehouse, you know, we'r scan on that product for and to record that it wen that together with the da oversee, we know when tha comes online for the firs measure that time frame a it now, we can go back an And so we asked our teams and say, wait,
What was the average time between when a product left our warehouse and it got installed? Now again, this only works for products that come online that do have that connectivity. So we went back and looked at those products again, primarily our controllers, our networking, our IP power, our surveillance products, and measured that timeframe. We were then seeing how did that timeframe expand? And you can see it is starting to expand about the middle of 2021, and it kept expanding all the way up to the middle of 2022. And now we can see that curve coming down and the timeframe contracting.
So we're using that and that's where we come up with that regression to project what's going to happen in 2023. I can't guarantee you it's all going to come out. We still have a thought that maybe some of it stays there. But those are the main products. In addition to those proprietary products, we then sort of say what other products that don't connect or that are third-party products that might also be there. So things like AVRs were really tough last year. We know some of the streaming audio products were very short of stock last year. So we take …
the specific data that we have around our connected products, we put some extrapolation on how we think other products attached to that to come up with the overall numbers that we're talking about. Okay and just one final thing, you had mentioned the impact in the first and second quarter. Is it negative 20% or was it 20 million? I was unclear.
Well, it's interesting it's about the same thing. So it's negative. I'll look at the numbers. Yeah, I get it. But I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. OK. So it should be around $20 million, plus or minus. It could be 15 to 25. Again, we're doing some analysis here. But 15 to 25 in each of the first three quarters. But on a year-over-year basis standpoint, in Q1 and Q2, because inventory was coming in last year and coming out this year, that the overall year-over-year change is going to be 18%, 19%, 20% each quarter.
By the time we get to Q3, while it's still going to be $15 or $20 million coming out, the year over impact will be basically flat because that's the same thing that came out in 2022. Okay, thank you very much. No problem, Jacob. Thank you, and as a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone.
Our next question comes from Brian with Imperial capital. He may proceed. Great. Thank you very much. I just wanted to follow up on a couple of questions. First of all, cash. So you are at 21 million and you anticipate, I think that is where you ended the year, and that was down from third quarter, and you anticipate an additional drop in first quarter and then a recovery in second quarter, third quarter? Is that correct? Just trying to understand the cash.
Yeah, that's right, Brian . We don't think about cash because you know we have a revolver. So we try to maintain our cash balance at the lowest minimal cash balance we need and then you know use the revolver appropriately. And so we really think about it in that basis. But yeah, if you think about total liquidity that that's that's where from a timing standpoint we ended with 21 million dollars of cash. We had a revolver draw about 12 million dollars.
at the end of the year. That's going to be used somewhat in Q1, and then it will start recovering in Q2. So our low point of liquidity we look at in models should be the end of Q1.
Okay, and then one other question about revenue. You gave us very good guidance on first quarter. Second quarter will be down still dramatically year over year, pretty strong, maybe not as much on a year over year basis as first quarter. And then should third quarter be more of a break even on a year over year basis?
and then fourth quarter be slightly positive on a year-over-year basis. I'm just trying to get the flow here. It's like you were reading off my cheat sheet there, Brian . That was very good, yes. So, second quarter won't be as bad as first quarter. Again, the impacts in the channel still happen, but given some other things that are out there from a volume last year, from some volume expectations this year, you're only getting one full, potentially, and an actual going up in just a few and half hours. They doch want their opening to be more accurate than number two total., so it's kind of ===== So, these are just a couple examples to give you guys a much broader matchup than number one. I'll try to look at the reading examples because they're insanely Straight's as well.
some pricing activities last year and this year. It won't be as bad in Q2 as Q1. A round is flat in Q3 and then positive in Q4. Perfect. Thank you very much. Thank you. At this time, this concludes our Q&A session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Heyman for his closing remarks.
Thanks, Josh and thanks again to everybody for joining us today. 2022 was in many ways unprecedented. In terms of kind of an operating environment for many of us, and I just want to thank. Our incredible team at snap 1 for. Their efforts.
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Senior Vice President of Finance Eric Steele. Sir, please proceed. Great. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to SNAP-1's fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Joining us today from SNAP-1 are John Heyman, CEO , and Mike Carlett, CFO . Before we begin, we would like to remind everyone that our prepared remarks can continue to be made.
reasonable, we undertake no obligation to revise any statement to reflect changes that occur after this call. Multiple events or results could differ materially.
These statements are based on current expectations of the company's management and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the risk factor section of our latest annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. All non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call are reconciled in our earnings press release to the most directly comparable GAAP measure.
This call also contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the time and date of this broadcast, March 14, 2023. Finally, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being webcast and a recording will be made available for replay on our Investor Relations website at investors.snap1.com. In addition to the webcast, we have posted a supplemental earnings presentation accompanying these results.
our CFO , Mike Carlet. Mike will discuss our financial results for the quarter and year in more depth, as well as provide our outlook for 2023. After that, I'll share some closing remarks before opening the call for questions.
Mike will discuss our financial results for the quarter and year in more depth as well as provide our outlook for 2023. After that, I'll share some closing remarks before opening the call for questions. Let's get started.
To begin, at SNAP1 we provide a smart living platform that empowers professional integrators to deliver joy, connectivity, and security to discerning residential and commercial customers on a global scale. As a leading distributor to these integrators, we work with our network of approximately 20,000 professional Do-It-For-Me integrators to distribute our proprietary and third-party products through our e-commerce portal and growing local branch network. We further support our integrator partners with our proprietary software partners, such as our e-commerce portal, and our e-commerce portal.
small business formation will continue to be the backbone of the economy.
Our growth algorithm is simple continue to attract more integrator partners and capture more of their spend by building new products and driving adoption of our ecosystems. This formula will drive our growth over the next decade, and we will remain focused on executing this strategy while managing through.
The near term uncertainty.
Turning now to our recent performance our team delivered solid fourth quarter results and despite a challenging macro environment. We achieved strong growth in net sales and adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2022, I am proud of what the entire team has accomplished as we navigated the ongoing impacts.
Of a dynamic operating environment, while continuing to deliver for our integrator partners.
For the fiscal year, we delivered $1 billion $124 billion in net sales and generated $114 million and adjusted EBITDA, representing year over year growth of 11% and 3% respectively. Our fiscal fourth quarter results exceeded.
The guidance, we shared last time, we spoke while the industry continues to reduce inventory levels in the channel. We saw integrator partner activity remained steady through Q4 as they work against healthy backlogs in their own businesses that channel inventory buildup helped sales in the first half of <unk>.
2002, but its been a continuing headwind for us since then as integrators deplete inventory Mike will elaborate on this dynamic in his remarks.
Looking back on 2022, a major focus for us was enhancing the smart living experience by improving both hardware and software offerings for our integrators and end consumers at.
At year end and early 2023, we successfully introduced exciting new products across our outdoor entertainment lineup linear lighting control surveillance and our networking product categories.
We're particularly excited about Halo, our new family of control for remotes.
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<unk> linear lighting, which provides a fully immersive lighting experienced an episode radiance, which builds on our suite of outdoor entertainment products importantly, many of our new products will drive upgrade opportunities our installed base of end customers.
Our products and services garnered significant industry recognition in 2022, including 17, CE Pro quest for quality warrants out of 'twenty two identified subcategories.
40 top three brand rankings across 62 identified product subcategories in the 2022 CE Pro 100 brand analysis awards and to Mark of Excellence Awards at the consumer Electronics show.
In January of this year.
I'd also like to highlight a few strategic accomplishments across our businesses this past year.
We continue to invest in and bolster our software and service offering we released the control for OS $3 three Dot zero update introduced the oversea connect App and completed the acquisition of parasol a powerful 24 by seven remote support service based on overseas.
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In commercial we executed on product development, including the control for multi display manage our functionality that was voted in AAV technology best of Info Com 22 Award winner and security, we acquired home automation and security products provider clear controls and announced.
The upcoming launch of the new Luma X 20, IP surveillance solution, which is now shipping.
Three we expanded our omni channel presence by opening eight net new local branches in 22, including several in Q4 and acquiring two new branches in Canada through the acquisition of stop this brings the total number of North American branches to <unk> 41 as of year end.
For further enhancing our omni channel initiative, we have begun to convert our e-commerce customers to a single E Commerce portal, which will drive efficiencies in our business make our integration partners lives easier and allow us to drive marketing programs with higher efficacy.
We believe that we made significant progress with our strategy in 'twenty, two and are increasingly well positioned for a long term smart living evolution over the coming years, our position in the industry remains quite strong and we're confident that growth in smart living adoption.
Central role of the integrator and providing holistic solutions and our competitive differentiation will propel our long term success.
As to the economy and its impact on our business as we discussed last quarter. We saw some softening around our residential end market, resulting in lower sales volumes relative to the first half of 2002.
We continue to see signs of end consumer cautiousness, and elevated levels of channel inventory, which impacted our integrator partners purchasing habits.
Anecdotally project delays and discussing are occurring as integrators seek to value engineer projects and response to our more price conscious and consumer.
Last quarter, we described our integrator partners had accumulated additional inventory in response to supply.
Shortages, and we expected an impact of about $40 million to $60 million over the subsequent quarters as they rebalance their own inventory positions since our last call. We have leveraged our oversea software to see when products are purchased by the integrator are actually put into service.
With the benefit of this added visibility we now believe inventory in the channel peak towards the end of Q2 of 'twenty, two but well above the high end of the range. We previously communicated.
Since then we have seen strong signs of destocking across the channel and expect to reach a normalized state in the second half of 'twenty three.
While the residential market remains a bit soft our diversified business model allows us to serve integrator partners across a variety of end markets. These partners do remain busy and continue to prove their resiliency showcasing their ability to pivot projects and adapt to the current environment.
<unk> historically their capacity has been a governor on our growth, particularly given the tight labor market with demand for their services exceeding supply. So some contraction in consumer demand can be absorbed by the channel given the ongoing capacity constraints.
Meanwhile, we continue to invest in the long term growth of the business to extend our leadership position. However, given the uncertain macro backdrop, we have reviewed our long term operating plan and prioritized investments in areas that we believe will position us for sustained long term growth.
Walker tailing spend in other places here are some actions we've taken.
Number one we're eliminating inefficiencies in the business from the Covid time period as input costs freight rates and other supply chain factors normalize we are driving an improvement in our contribution rate.
Contribution margin rate excuse me too.
We expect more research and development efficiency by not having to redesign products in response to componentry availability challenges three.
Three we completed a strategic repositioning of our sales force to increase integrator partner coverage and identified other areas of efficiency in the business and four we're being diligent with cost in our business ranging from warehouse operation consolidation to reducing travel.
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Collectively these changes resulted in a modest workforce reduction of about 3% and our business in the first quarter of 2023.
I'm going to now comment briefly on our outlook and then I'll turn the call over to Mike as we look to the rest of 2023, we expect the operating environment to remain challenging, particularly in the residential end market and response, we have constructed an operating plan that reflects a heightened focus on <unk>.
Levering strong profitability and driving operating margin expansion, we are executing on controllable strategies consistent with our long term growth algorithm that will enable us to outperform these include.
One increasing our share of wallet with increase with existing integrators through the adoption of our ecosystems and new products to continuing to innovate invest in and launch exciting new smart living products three open new local branches.
For adding new integrator partners across our business, including in security and commercial markets, where we continue to see outsized growth and finally, enhancing our software platform capabilities and introducing new software and service based solutions.
Further we intend to deliver this relative growth.
While driving scale on our operating model through <unk>.
Improving our contribution margin rate as input and supply chain costs, such as freight logistics commodities and componentry costs continue to normalize moderating our investment pace to drive efficiency and optimize productivity and finally strengthening our balance sheet.
We remain confident in our operating model and scale, while demand has stabilized at current levels persistent macro uncertainty causes us to take a pragmatic approach to our near term forecast. We are therefore, setting our net sales and adjusted EBITDA guidance for 'twenty, three accordingly, and Mike will discuss this in.
Further detail.
We believe our resilient integrator partners, our diversified business model and consistently strong execution will continue to position us to prosper in a dynamic macro environment.
Mike with that I'll turn the call over to you to discuss the fourth quarter and full year financial results and 'twenty three outlook in greater detail.
Thanks, John .
I'll turn now to our financial results for the fiscal fourth quarter and for the full year ended December 30, <unk> 2022.
Net sales in the fiscal fourth quarter decreased one 9% to $268 $2 million from $273 $5 million in the comparable year ago period.
The extra week in fiscal fourth quarter 2021 added approximately $17 9 million in net sales and excluding that extra week net sales increased approximately 5%.
For the full year ended December 30, net sales increased 11, 5% to $1 124 billion up from $1.008 billion in the comparable year ago period.
Again, the extra week in fiscal 'twenty, one added $17 9 million so excluding that extra week net sales increased approximately 14%.
The growth in net sales during the quarter and year reflect several drivers.
First organic growth, including higher selling prices, resulting from price adjustments enacted across our product portfolio in 2020 to.
The collective ramp of eight net new local branches opened in 2022 also contributed to organic growth.
Several of these branches were opened in the most recent quarter, bringing the company's total local branch count to 41 as of yearend.
Additionally, the company benefited from incremental sales contributions rooftop, which was acquired early in 2022.
Now, let me talk for a minute about the impact of channel inventory.
As John noted in his comments, we have performed additional analysis to refine our view on channel inventory amount and the timing of that inventory coming in and flowing out.
Based on upon our visibility into the timeline from when a product is shipped from our warehouses to when it is installed and activated within our overseas software. We now estimate that channel inventory began to build.
In 2021 and peaked at over $100 million towards the end of second quarter of 2022 before beginning a steady unwind.
For full year 'twenty, two we estimate the in year impact was a net $25 million to $30 million benefit to our top line results as the selling that occurred during the first half of the year was partially offset by the sell down in the second half of the year.
On a year over year basis, the channel or channel inventory impacts were approximately the same in 'twenty, one and 'twenty. Two meeting there was an insignificant impact to the top line growth rate.
However, the channel inventory impact was much more pronounced in the fiscal fourth quarter, we believe between 15 and $20 million of Destocking that occurred in Q4 of 2022, representing an approximate 10% to 15% headwind to year over year growth in the quarter as we lap inventory load in activity in Q4 'twenty one.
As John noted earlier, we anticipate continued channel destocking of about 15% to $25 million per quarter over the first three quarters of 2023 before reaching a normalized state in the second half of the year.
Turning now to contribution margin one of the most significant drivers of our 22 financial performance was the impact of a challenging supply chain environment.
Inbound freight rates chip shortages and other supply chain challenges persisted throughout the year and required significant effort and expense to overcome.
We began to see an improvement in the second half of 'twenty, two and anticipate supply chain normalization in 'twenty three.
With that said our contribution margin our non-GAAP measurement of operating performance decreased 1% to $105 8 million or 39, 4% of net sales in the fiscal fourth quarter from $105 9 million or 38, 7% of net sales in the comparable year ago period.
On a dollar basis, the flat year over year contribution margin performance reflects the modest decline in net sales and continued product mix shift to third party products, which typically carry a lower contribution margin as a percentage of net sales relative to our proprietary products.
These factors were partially offset by the higher selling prices and improvement in supply chain environment in the fourth quarter as compared to the remainder of the year.
In the fiscal fourth quarter third party product sales represented 35, 3% of net sales compared to 32, 2% in the comparable year ago period.
Contribution margin as a percentage of net sales improved by 70 basis points on a year over year basis, driven by higher selling prices net of product costs mix and supply chain impacts.
For the full year 2020 to contribution margin increased eight 1% to $441 2 million or 39, 3% of net sales up from $408 1 million or <unk>, 45% of net sales in the comparable year ago period.
On a dollar basis the increase in contribution margin was driven by the net sales growth, partially offset by the continued product mix shift to third party products.
For the full year 'twenty through third party product sales represented 32, 2% of net sales compared to 33% in the comparable year ago period.
Contribution margin as a percentage of net sales declined on a year over year basis, due to product cost mix and supply chain impacts, which was offset by the higher selling prices that were enacted.
Selling general and administrative or SG&A expenses in our fiscal fourth quarter decreased 9% to $83 million or 31% of net sales from $91 2 million or 33, 4% of net sales in the year ago period.
The decrease in SG&A expenses was primarily attributable to the lapping of the extra week in last year's fiscal fourth quarter and lower variable compensation expense.
For the full year ended December 32022, SG&A expenses increased one 2% to $354 3 million or 31, 5% of net sales up from $353 million in the prior year or 34, 7% of net sales.
The increase in SG&A expenses during the year was primarily attributable to higher personnel expenses due to increased head count from new local branch openings and M&A.
Resumption in pre Covid travel and ongoing investments to support strategic growth initiatives offset by lower variable compensation.
In fiscal year 2022, we also incurred the full year burden of public company costs absorbed other costs associated with recently acquired businesses.
Our net loss totaled $4 1 million in the fourth quarter compared to a net loss of $7 $8 million in the comparable year ago period and.
And for the full year 2022, net loss totaled $8 $7 million compared to a net loss of $36 5 million for the full year of 2021.
Our adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measurement of operating performance totaled $26 9 million or 10% of net sales in the fourth quarter 2022, compared to $26 million or nine 5% of net sales in the comparable year ago period.
And for the full year ended December 30, <unk> 2022, adjusted EBITDA increased 3% to $114 $1 million were 10, 2% of net sales up from $110 eight or 11% of net sales for the full year 2021.
These changes in adjusted EBITDA were primarily attributable to net sales and contribution margin growth offset by increased SG&A expenses.
The decrease in adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales in the year was primarily attributable to the contribution margin as a percentage of net sales declining on a year over year basis.
Adjusted net income a non-GAAP measurement of operating performance decreased 24, 9% to $10 5 million or three 9% of net sales from $13 9 million or five 1% of net sales in the year ago period.
And for the full year ended December 30, <unk> 2022, adjusted net income decreased one 9% to $52 $6 million were four 7% of net sales from $53 6 million or five 3% of net sales again in the comparable year ago period.
Finally free cash flow a non-GAAP measurement of operating performance totaled negative $44 6 million in the fiscal year ended December 30, <unk> 2022, compared to negative 44 $44 million in the comparable year ago period.
The decrease in free cash flow was primarily attributable to capital expenditures associated with the build out of our new corporate office in Lehigh Utah.
New local branch openings and capitalized it costs.
Net cash used in operating activities for the fiscal year ended December 32022 was negative $23 1 million.
This use of cash was primarily driven by an increase in inventory to protect against supply chain uncertainty.
Our target inventory level based upon our current demand remains at approximately $275 million and while we anticipate continued modest inventory growth in the first quarter of 2023, we remain confident in our plans to rightsize inventory levels. This year.
At the end of the fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022, we had approximately $104 $1 billion of liquidity, including cash and cash equivalents of $21 1 million and undrawn revolver capacity of $82 9 million.
And just a few other kpis that we had talked about on an annual basis.
We introduced a few annual key performance indicators or Kpis. After fiscal Q1 of last year provides enhanced visibility into key operating metrics. These kpis regard the counter transacting domestic integrators and the spend per transacting domestic integrator and we will continue to present these metrics on an annual basis.
In fiscal year 2022, we transacted with approximately 21000 different domestic integrators, who spend on average $45 $5000 each.
On a year over year basis, the number of transacting domestic integrators and spend per transacting domestic integrator increased <unk>, 5% and nine 6% respectively.
Over time, we've demonstrated a consistent ability to grow both our number of domestic integrators and our spend per domestic integrator.
Now before I turn the call back over to John I'll take a few minutes to provide our financial outlook for fiscal 2023.
As a reminder, snap one provides annual guidance for net sales as well as adjusted EBITDA as we believe these metrics to be key indicators for the overall performance of our business.
Our fiscal 2023 guidance considers all our full fiscal year 'twenty, two performance and our expectation that market uncertainty will persist throughout 2023.
As such we're taking a pragmatic approach to our outlook for the year as follows.
First we expect net sales in the fiscal year ending December 29, 2023 to range between 1.05 billion and 1.09 billion, which would represent a decrease of six 6% to a decrease of 3% compared to the prior fiscal year on an as reported basis.
We believe the contributing factors to 2023 net sales change are as follows first an 8% to 10% headwind from the channel inventory Destocking that we previously mentioned.
We expect to see 2% to 5% organic growth, which includes pricing carryover from last year local branch ramp up of new openings.
And three a small 1% impact from recently completed M&A.
We expect adjusted EBITDA to range between $107 and $115 million, representing a decrease of six 2% to an increase of <unk>, 8% comparable to the prior.
Our fiscal year on an as reported basis.
Our adjusted EBITDA guidance reflects our commitment to drive incremental adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2023.
We expect to achieve this both through contribution margin rate improvement of supply chain and input cost normalize as well as continued disciplined operating expense management.
And as we think about quarterly trending in 2023, we expect our year over year net sales change in Q1 to be down mid to high teens on a percentage basis in our top line growth rate to sequentially improve each quarter over the course of the year.
We anticipate a return to year over year growth in the second half of the year as we worked through this channel Destocking.
We expect contribution margin rate to improve quarter over quarter in Q1, 'twenty three versus Q4, 2022 and to continue to sequentially improve during the year.
This contribution margin rate improvement reflects the realized an additional anticipated supply chain and input cost normalization.
From an adjusted EBITDA perspective, we expect adjusted EBITDA margin compression year over year in Q1, 'twenty three to mid single digits, given the lower net sales followed by a return to year over year adjusted EBITDA margin improvement for the remainder of the year as we realize the contribution margin rate expansion.
And finally before I pass the call back over to John as a reminder, last year <unk> Board of directors approved a stock repurchase program that authorized potential repurchases of up to $25 million of our common stock on the date of approval, which was May 12, 2022 through the end of 2023.
As of December 30, <unk> 2022, we had repurchased approximately 269000 shares of our common stock at an aggregate value of approximately $2 9 million.
Consistent with our capital allocation policy, we will continue to prioritize in this order a our balance sheet strength.
Org, our organic growth investments.
See accretive M&A opportunities and finally, our opportunistic share repurchase program.
That completes my summary, John I'll turn the call back over to you for any additional commentary.
Thanks, Mike a few concluding thoughts before we take Q&A first for 2023, just to reiterate we have confidence in our proprietary product launches and growth in adjacent markets such as commercial security, our local branch opening strategy and the benefit of last year.
As pricing adjustments, we also anticipate returning to our favorable contribution margin rate trajectory as costs related to the supply chain continue to alleviate and we executed in line with a disciplined operating expense model.
We remain committed to our strategy. This includes new product launches. This includes software investments in platform developments all in service of supporting our integrators to capitalize on the opportunity in front of us and them even in an uncertain operating environment, we continue to strive.
To be the one partner that are integrators trust to support and grow their business.
And third as I've said before we believe all homes and businesses will become smarter over the next decade driving demand for the types of experiences we offer today and those we can only imagine in the future, we're investing and scaling our operations and platforms to drive better solutions.
For the end consumer more capacity for the integrator and growth for snap one in a way that increases our operating margins over time.
We believe the actions that we took at the close of <unk> 22, and so far in 'twenty three have prepared us to succeed in this environment, while also positioning us for longer term sustainable growth and with that operator. Please open the call for Q&A.
Thank you at this time, we will open the line for questions from the company's publishing analysts.
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Our first question comes from Erik Woodring with Morgan Stanley You May proceed.
Hey, guys. Good afternoon, so maybe just to start on the annual disclosures that you provided the 1000 net new integrators in 2022.
Can you maybe just on package that a little bit and help us understand maybe where some of those integrators were added maybe where some that you transacted within 2021 didn't come back in 2022.
And then how you plan to kind of accelerate that growth on an absolute basis in 2023.
And just conclude.
To conclude my follow up with that too is when we think about your guidance for 2023 kind of what underlies that guidance. When we think about the number of transacting integrators and then spend per integrator. Thanks, so much.
This is Eric.
Go ahead Mike.
Eric first good to see you last week.
Start Jonathan feel free to jump in.
First of all just to be clear the number increased by 100.
From 'twenty.
Thousands of 21000, not not wipe out so a relatively small increase year over year in the number of transact the integrators.
As we think about that growth we continue to see good growth in security and commercial we actually saw a little bit of contraction in the <unk> side of the transacting inter carrier count, which is not surprising given the market that was out there given the way the supply chain moves and knowing that we have a long tail of indicators that spend relatively small dollars with us so that.
Number.
And there would be churn about lower integrator counts doesn't really concern us last year, we were more focused on spend per and pricing with all the supply chain challenges that were there.
And as we think about next year and how it flows through as John mentioned currently makes you were prioritizing our share of wallet and growing our base and our <unk>.
Sales with our existing partners, we're certainly not giving up on adding north Europe in fact, just given the normal.
Churn in the business every year somebody is going to retire somebody is going to sell their business and so we know that we need to add over 1000 integrators just to stay flat and we expect to see that happen, but when we build our model for this year coming up we're expecting integrator tends to be relatively flat most of our sales increase to be coming from a spend per integrator.
And share of wallet, but for the future as we think about our long term growth algorithm, we do expect both to be equivalent contributors towards long term growth.
Awesome. Thank you for that color, Mike and good to see it last week.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Paul Chung with Jpmorgan you May proceed.
Hi, Thanks for taking my question so just.
Just wanted to ask about some of the feedback from integrators through the year ahead.
I guess, some competitors were kind of talking about rebounding order kind of growth in February and March are you seeing that and then what our new products are.
Indicators like most excited about from kind of the new product portfolio, and which areas are they seeing some softening demand.
Sure. This is John .
The.
We had a few questions packed in there, but let me try to answer them all I'd say we saw.
Rather than rely on anecdote, we try to rely on survey data and we we saw a what I would call mild decline in integrator sentiment translated into their backlogs, but the backlogs still remain healthy and the sand commenced still remains part.
Was it up that decline we saw at the end of last year into January .
We saw it turned upwards in February .
So that's a positive signal.
Number one number two.
And thats on the industry as opposed to our products I think on our products.
<unk>.
The excitement that we're seeing around our new luma surveillance product our previous luma product was a bit old in the twos.
And so were seeing yes.
Great excitement around that.
And the software platform that underlies that.
Our halo remote line that offers.
<unk> capabilities to the end consumer including voice control.
Bank is something that.
Consumers are already providing great feedback on and integrators are really excited because it's a family of products as opposed to one so it allows them to meet.
Verizon of budgets.
Say the.
<unk> outdoor product line is kind of a one of a kind product that combines lighting and audio.
Great reception around that product, but that's.
That's something that comes more in the spring.
And kind of R. R.
<unk> of our lighting products, so I think.
We've created a significant amount of excitement we view those as.
Fairly incremental to this year sales many of those products of replacing other products that we already had but we think they are critical to integrate our adoption and share of wallet over the coming.
Year so.
Feel good about that and.
We haven't.
Had any.
Negative response to any of those products I would also say we had a major oversee release.
During the quarter.
That is now out in the market and after.
After some pains of any kind of change management that comes with software adoption, that's been really well received.
I am not seeing.
And our sales data or.
Anecdotally.
Any products that are integrators are.
Shying away from.
In terms of categories of products et cetera. So the product development team has done a great job.
Across the board.
We feel like we're the leaders in many of these product categories. The awards that I've mentioned.
Speaks to that and I feel like we've only up the game.
<unk>.
With the products we're introducing.
Great. That's Super helpful. And then just a follow up how do we think about that kind of.
The product mix on the top line.
Throughout the year integrator domestic versus international mix and.
And then can we start to see possibly some RMR revenue this year as well. Thank you.
Mike Why don't you take the mix question.
And on the RMR side, we are we already have.
Low eight figure.
RMR revenues in the business.
So that comes from our parasol service offering and our foresight.
Software offering.
We've spoken about.
The huge opportunity in front of this industry too.
Deliver.
Against the recurring revenue model and we think it's.
Healthy model aligning the end customer would the integrator with us.
We are in market testing right now with integrators with that product line and we'll continue to keep you guys abreast of that but we are seeing.
Generally very favorable response and extended our end market testing with a few more integrators as we speak Mike do you want to talk to the mix question sure.
Sure John .
I think as we talk about 2023, and how we're thinking about the business within the model that we talked about in our guidance. We would say that we expect the <unk> mix to remain relatively flat in 2023 versus 2022.
We expect there'll be some adoption.
New <unk> products, we're going to continue to drive share of wallet of our proprietary products. Now we did that there are certain initiatives that we're looking at that are not in our guidance right now were not in our models that we may or may not launch that could change that mix, but that would be incremental to how we thought about the existing model today, the vast majority of our business as our domestic integrator.
Business is over 85% of our business today.
Might even grow a little bit I think the international markets remained a little bit more challenged just with some.
Some of the issues going on in Europe .
And some other challenges that are there. So I do think you will see our domestic partner business as an overall share of our business increased slightly.
The coming year.
Great. Thank you so much thanks Paul.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Chris Snyder with UBS you May proceed.
Yes.
Thank you and appreciate all the guidance certainly not an easy macro to guide in.
But I was just hoping for me a little bit more color on what macro assumptions underlying the guidance because it seems to suggest.
Further deterioration in the resi backdrop, because if I'm looking at Q4 and I adjust for days and the inventory how do when you guys provided it seems to suggest about low double digit organic growth versus the 2% to 5% guided for in 2003.
Thank you.
Sure, Yes, so I think as we think about 2023, if I could ask you about the components of growth and I'll talk about roughly around the midpoint of our guidance range, 2% to 3% that will be pricing most of which was carryover from the pricing. We already have that last year very minimal pricing impacts. This year, we announced about a blended five point price change.
February one that just took effect this week and Thats really the only pricing activity as we sit here today that we anticipate in 2023.
We think our new local stores and the ramp up of local stores will drive another 2% to 3% group.
The biggest headwind out there as we've talked about is that inventory number which is going to be around a 9% headwind maybe 10, maybe eight depending upon how that destock, where it falls out theres, a really small piece of carryover M&A from last year of about a point and so if you do all that.
Left with where volume is.
Down 2% to 3% from just a market standpoint, and we're looking at that saying what we're hearing from integrators is while they still have good backlog the backlog a little bit lower than it used to be we believe the capacity issue that there, but we do think there'll be.
Some integrators at the bottom and maybe not posted or backlog dip into less than full capacity, which may drive some small decreases in the overall market. So we are assuming that the market will see some small contraction. This year as housing activity in remodel activity remain a bit challenge I think that's probably the biggest variable out there as we think about what.
It's going to happen for the full year I think we feel really good about our visibility the other numbers and I think this sort of volume number in the market backdrop, and our ability to capture share of wallet during that timeframe is going to be where we would always see performance.
We're able to perform and then what does the market do with the macro that's out there.
No. Thank you I appreciate all that color.
And then for my follow up.
Maybe.
Longer term, one and it's on the integrator count.
Didn't really grow in 'twenty, two obviously, you're very tight labor market.
What gives you guys confidence over a multi year basis.
That can be driven higher.
And does that present any risk to the longer term growth algorithm. Thank you.
This is John .
Great question Chris.
We feel strongly that there is a cigar.
Significant.
Market tens of thousands of integrators, who we don't do business with today.
Many of those are in the security and commercial sector, but there's others as well.
Who are buying smart home technology.
And I would just say.
Last year.
Our sales force.
Was.
Intensely focused.
On <unk>.
Helping integrators find product because of the supply chain. So the notion of being able to go out and recruit new integrators.
Or is just something they didn't have time for.
And second in some areas, we were concerned about inventory availability.
And so I feel like.
Our acquisition.
Efforts were hampered a bit last year because of that we're looking forward to getting back to normal with the acquisition programs that have worked for this company for a decade, where we're able to recruit two to 3000, new integrators annually.
I'd say as we approach this year 2023.
I feel like we.
We are focused on driving higher operating margins.
The best way to do that as sell what you got to the customers you've got.
And that is where our biggest focus is around share of wallet.
Yes.
We get comfortable with the operating environment.
We will.
Then turn on the acquisition machine.
In a more intense manner.
We know that there are tens of thousands of integrators.
<unk>.
Attract to our business platform and our product offering.
A big pay appreciate that Jon a big piece of that continuing to open local branches again, we couldnt fulfill inventory in all of those local branches. So those were delayed to the end of last year.
And we will continue to open local branches this year.
All our partners in the different verticals, we do business with.
Thank you Jonathan.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Adam Tindle with Raymond James You May proceed.
Okay. Thanks, Good afternoon, maybe John in for Mike as well I just wanted to start with the 2023 guidance, which I appreciate more about the cadence of the year I'm sure. We'll get questions. On this tomorrow. So I think you had mentioned a mid to high teens decline in Q1 with an expectation to return to year over year.
And in the back half of the year to sort of this kind of hockey stick type shape to the year I was wondering if you could maybe cover the levers to that anytime you've got that acceleration as the year progresses investors tend to get a little bit nervous about that expectation moving forward. So maybe you could cover the levers to that improvement as the year progresses. Thank you.
Yes, great Great question, Adam definitely there, we're not going to guide the quarters, specifically when we give you some directional numbers I think clearly the biggest.
Remember, we're using to predict here as this inventory in the channel in the year over year impacts how does the inventory come in last year and how is it going to come out this year as we think about that year over year and so the way we're looking at it right now our best guess is going to be about a 20% headwind in Q1 somewhere around the 20% headwind in Q2.
Slight headwind a couple a couple of points in Q3, because again once we get to Q3, it was coming out in 2022 and somewhere around 23, so on a year over year comp basis.
I'll, let significant issue and then by the time, we get to Q4, if our models right and all of it comes out in the first three quarters, but how we get to Q4 to be about 6%.
Positive on a year over year change basis, as we lap the inventory that came up this year and our model says that.
It should be pretty much fully wound through by the end of Q3 now there is a bunch of regression analysis.
In science and math.
Forecast, so I don't want to get too.
Tied to exactly those numbers, but that's what we used the way the model is and as we think about the quarterly moves that's by far the biggest number that's out there. The other thing that impacts obviously the pricing changes. We did last year were done in February and done in June and they're going to impact much more in the first half of the year. So 345, 6% in Q1 Q2.
And much more flat impact from pricing in the back half of the year, we're only get the benefit of.
This year's pricing activity.
And then everything else is pretty much standard across the board as you think about it but there's not a lot of variability on the other numbers new stores ramp up pretty.
Evenly throughout the year, the volume assumptions Theres, a couple of points of difference in each quarter, depending upon how we think what happened last year, what was going on with stocking levels, but generally the rest of the numbers are pretty equivalent throughout the year.
Got it that's helpful, Mike and maybe if I could flip the question on its head from a balance sheet perspective, and I think as that inventory comes out if I understand the business model correctly that will actually be a tailwind to cash flow and sorry, if I missed it but if you could maybe cover your cash flow expectations for the year and any expectations on that progression.
That would be very helpful. Thanks.
Sure, we don't specifically guide cash flow, but I'll give you just some highlights and overview of where we think will be.
Certainly from an inventory standpoint, we ended the year with over $300 million of inventory is going to continue to creep up in Q1.
This year as we think about Chinese new year, and just stocking for that and just the cadence of bringing product in but our ops team has been working really hard to get that right size.
We've got some internal targets, but at least as we think about it and talk about extra we think 275 is about the right number for where we think we need to be given current demand and we think we'll be there by the second half of the year, whether that's the end of Q3. The end of Q4 it depends upon some timing, but we do see that so throughout the year as we think about that inventory balance dropping by 25% to $30 million.
That will certainly be a source of cash flow tailwind to cash flow.
Other than that our cash flow, we think will be very very normal with our adjusted EBITDA.
Not very much else going on with working capital outside of that inventory number our normal level of Capex. We've got a couple of million dollars more left in our Lehigh office relocation. We've got a couple of million dollars of work that we're doing around our it systems and consolidation.
Other than that excuse me in the normal activity that we have with the caveat that as we always talk about don't forget that TRA. That's out there. We made our first TRA payment recently this year that was about $11 million that was made in Q1, but there is still a $111 million liability on that we don't have another payment to make in Q1 of next year, but we did pay $11 million towards the TRA and <unk>.
Q1 this year.
Very helpful. Thanks, Mike.
Sure.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Keith Hughes with Truth, you May proceed.
I had a question on the Destocking that we've talked about a lot here.
Is there a specific products that you think are really heavy in the channel and then on that how do you. How do you sort of gauge where channel inventory is how has that actually done.
Yes, it's a great question, Keith John I'll jump on this and then feel free to add any color. If you want I think.
As we've talked about it last time or last quarter and as we've talked about this was never a big issue in our channel historically, something we had not paid a lot of attention to our partners 20000 integrators out there byproduct today and they're typically in slowing on a job next week next month.
That job is going to completion.
I think what we think and what we believe is the <unk>.
Apply chain really became challenged as integrators and our partners founded.
More problematic refined product if they can't get their hands on product they can't complete a job they can't get paid and so they look to those products that that had the most risk of stocking out that had the lowest.
Replace ability that had the highest switching cost and said we're going to start thinking about stocking up on them. So things like control systems things like your network system. Your Oversea York Youll remote management system products are the ones that are there and so the way we size. The last time was we went out we did a bunch of survey work with our with our partners and asked them how much does your inventory grew.
We also look very specifically at our control products quickly at how many controller shipments that we have versus how many were installed and took a differential and try to extrapolate. So that's where we came up with the numbers, we talked about last time, but knowing the magnitude of this issue and trying to be more scientific about it or our product team at our ops teams work hand in hand to start doing a bunch of really good work.
And whenever we ship a product that is overseeing enabled when that box leaves our warehouse, we're doing an outbound scan on that product for warranty purposes as record better went out the door tying that together with the data that comes from overseas. We know when that exact box and SKU comes online for the first time, we can measure that timeframe and all we can we measure it now we can go.
I can look historically and so we asked our teams to go back and look and say Hey, what was the average time between when a product with our warehouse and it got installed now again. This only works for products that come online that do have that that productivity. So we went back and look at those products again, primarily our controllers, our networking our IP power our surveillance products.
And measure that timeframe. We were then how does that timeframe expand and you can see it starting to expand about the middle of 2021 and it kept expanding all the way up to the middle of 2022, and now we can see that curve coming down and the timeframe contracting.
We are using that that's where we come up with that regression to project, what's going to happen in 2023, I can't guarantee you, it's all going to come out.
We still have a thought that maybe some of it stays there but those are the main products. In addition to those proprietary products. We then sort of say what other products that don't connect or that are third party products that might also be there. So things like <unk> were really tough last year, we know some of the streaming audio products.
Very shortly stock last year and so we take the specific data that we have around our connected products. We put some extrapolation on how we think other products attached to that is to come up with the overall numbers that we're talking about.
Okay and just one final thing you had mentioned the impact on the first and second quarter.
Is it maybe a 20% it was a $20 million.
It wasn't clear what's interesting it's about the same thing.
Yes.
Yes, but.
I was wondering okay. So it should be around $20 million plus or minus it could be 15 to 25 again, where we're doing some analysis here, but 15% to 25% each of the first three quarters, but on a year over year basis standpoint in Q1, and Q2, because inventory was coming in last year and coming out this year.
The overall year over year change is going to be 18, 19, 20% each quarter by the time, we get to Q3, while it's still going to be $15 million to $20 million coming out the year over impact will be basically flat because thats. The same thing that came out in 2022.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
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<unk> comes from Brian Ruttenberg with Imperial capital you May proceed.
Great. Thank you very much I just wanted to follow up on a couple of questions first of all cash.
We're at $21 million and you anticipate I think Thats, where you ended the year and that was down from third quarter and you anticipate any additional drop in first quarter and then a recovery in second quarter third quarter is that correct just trying to understand the cash yes, thats right. Bryan we don't we think about cash because we have a revolver. So we.
To maintain our cash balance at the lowest minimal cash balance we need and then use the revolver appropriately.
And so we really think about it in that basis, but yes. If you think about total liquidity, that's where from a timing standpoint, we ended with $21 million of cash we had a revolver draw of about $12 million at the end of <unk>.
Of the year.
It's going to.
We use somewhat in Q1 and then it will start recovering in Q2, so our low point of liquidity, we look at our models should be the end of Q1.
Okay, and then one other question about revenue.
Gave us very good guidance on first quarter.
Second quarter will be down still dramatically year over year pretty strong maybe not as much on a year over year basis as first quarter, and then should third quarter be more of a breakeven on a year over year basis, and then fourth quarter be slightly positive on a year over year basis, I'm, just trying to get a flow here.
It looks like you were reading off actually achieved that Brian .
Good yeah, so second quarter won't be as bad as first quarter again, the impacts in the channel still happen, but given some other things that are out there from a volume last year from some volume expectations. This year.
Some pricing activity last year and this year it won't be as bad in Q2 as Q1 around flat in Q3, and then positive in Q4.
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Yes.
Thank you at this time this concludes our Q&A session.
I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Hagan for his closing remarks.
Thanks, Josh and thanks, again to everybody for joining us today.
2022 is in many ways unprecedented.
In terms of kind of an operating environment for many of us and I just want to thank our incredible team at snap one for there.
Their efforts and their efforts specifically in delivering for our.
Partners, who continue to do great work out there in the field. So thanks, again, and I will turn it back to you Josh.
Thank you for joining us today for snap ones fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings Conference call you may now disconnect.