Q4 2022 TransAct Technologies Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ryan Gordella. Thank you. You may begin. Thank you, Rob. Good afternoon and welcome to Trans Act Technologies' fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings call. Today we'll be discussing the results announced in our press release issued after market close.
Speaker 2: key operating strategies, the progress on these initiatives and details in our fourth quarter and full year financial results. We will then open the call to questions.
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Speaker 2: The Trans Act undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that occur after the call. Today's call and webcast will include non-GAAP financial measures within the meeting of SEC Regulation G. When required, reconciliation of all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable financial measures calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP can be found in today's press release as well as on the company website. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Bart.
Speaker 2: us on the call today. Clearly I cannot be more pleased with our fourth quarter results or with the trajectory of the business as we enter 2023.
Speaker 2: As always, these numbers could not have been possible without the titleless efforts of the entire Trans Act team.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your hard work and constant innovation.
Speaker 3: Before I jump into some dialogue regarding our two key markets.
Speaker 3: quarter and year end. Our total revenue of 18 million for the fourth quarter was up a full 61% from the year prior period, with our casino and gaming market being up an incredible 123% to nearly 11 million dollars.
Speaker 3: Our FST recurring revenue is also up approximately 14% to $2.4 million in the quarter, reflecting strong use of labels and additional software across our installed base.
Speaker 3: For the full year, we saw our total revenue grow by almost 48% to just over $58 million.
Speaker 3: which was our highest school year revenue number since 2015.
Speaker 3: This fantastic result was driven by an increase in our casino and gaming market of approximately 96% to $30 million.
Speaker 3: for the full year and an increase in our FST recurring revenue by approximately 18% to 8.7 million which was within our eight to ten million dollar guidance. I will now discuss more about our two key markets, FST and gaming and casino.
Speaker 3: First, our FST market.
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier our FSP recurring revenue, which, as a reminder, consists of software, label sales, and service. So its third full year of sequential increase and its third quarter straight of over $2 million in revenue.
Speaker 3: We had another very strong quarter of label sales and yet another record quarter for software sales.
Speaker 3: As our terminal install base continues to grow, we will see a recurring revenue number continue to rise and smooth out in the long term.
Speaker 3: Second, we are currently working with a number of large international QSR restaurant brands
Speaker 3: on testing and implementing our labeling solution, not just nationwide, but across parts of the world. In fact, we are already expecting a large QSR to start coming online in the second half of this year, which is the large opportunity I spoke about in our last call.
Speaker 3: Our expanded Salesforce has seen the restaurant market open back up for us as restaurants face growing inflation with labor and food costs.
Speaker 3: So we're just starting to fill the pipeline with new restaurant opportunities. As many of our investors know, we began selling our FST terminal in 2019, right before the unfortunate events of the pandemic and lockdowns have ensued, shutting down restaurants everywhere.
Speaker 3: But with some good fortune we found success in the grocery aisle and in C-stores which became in many cases restaurant replacement with expanded fresh food offerings. Our Boha terminal with our labeling only software provided an efficient and productive way for C-stores and groceries to sell fresh food.
Speaker 3: As we grow the number of opportunities in the restaurant market, I do remind our investors that from beginning of the lead to close can take almost 18 months of work.
Speaker 3: The QSR I mentioned has taken over two years to convince them to convert to our cloud-based labeling technology.
Speaker 3: Third, we continue to see success in the SMB market.
Speaker 3: Our sales team has already closed at least two SMB restaurant chains so far in the first quarter, and I believe that is just the beginning.
Speaker 3: Now let me touch on our paid terminals added in the quarter and for the full year.
Speaker 3: In the fourth quarter, we added 251 paid terminals, ending the year with 12,180, up 2,362 from the end of 2021.
Speaker 3: While this number is clearly below where we thought we would end the year, we did see a certain amount of fourth quarter sales get pushed into the first and second quarters.
Speaker 3: With the opportunities in the pipeline, I have plenty of confidence in our outlook for FST's 2023 results.
Speaker 3: We continue to see great traction with the number of valuations currently underway across some well-known international brands.
Speaker 3: While it will take some time to close the opportunities in the pipeline, I believe in our ability to execute these in 2023.
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about our casino and gaming market, which continues its streak of historic success.
Speaker 3: Let me start with a little background on the business.
Speaker 3: Pre-COVID, the casino and gaming market growth opportunities were driven by casino expansions, slot replacement cycles, and new casino openings around the world.
Speaker 3: We basically operate in what was essentially a two-horse race for casino printer sales worldwide.
Speaker 3: However, from what we can tell in our conversations with customers and industry context, this dynamic has at first slowly and now quickly changed heavily in our favor. As we discussed at length last quarter, late in the second quarter we began to pick up market share from customers around the world.
Speaker 3: due to our competitors' inability to supply customers with their printers.
Speaker 3: We began to add an additional production line in the third quarter based on slot manufacturer's demand and our ability to get the needed parts and electronics to build our printer.
Speaker 3: With the demand continuing, we then began to install a fourth production line in the fourth quarter, which is starting to manufacture printers on that line right now.
Speaker 3: Transax casino and gaming printers have become the market.
Speaker 3: We are breaking sales, delivery, and backlog numbers for our printers at record pace, and this shows no signs of slowing in 2023.
Speaker 3: As such, we feel confident that our casino and gaming sales will continue to be strong for 2023 and clearly be bigger for the full year 2023 vs 2022.
Speaker 3: Additionally, with the increased level of production, we are hoping to finally work our way into an inventory position versus air shipping our printers directly from the point of production. As a reminder, our casino and gaming products typically have gross margins above our corporate average, which is showing up in our financial results.
Speaker 3: as experienced in the fourth quarter of 2022. This is an incredible moment for our business.
Speaker 3: and is the result of the hard work and dedication of our R&D and procurement teams.
Speaker 3: And let me send a huge thank you to our Gaming and Casino sales team.
Speaker 3: that had to juggle all the new orders and demand by customers and keeping them all happy.
Speaker 3: There has been a lot of work accomplished at Transact, and we all know electronic parts shortages are an issue around the world. I cannot thank our engineering and procurement teams enough for the work they did to ramp up production to meet this market demand. You know, I can only say it has truly been crazy.
Speaker 3: With the favorable FST market and the growing gaming and casino sales, I feel it important to give some guidance to our shareholders and analysts. Please understand this guidance is based on what we know today.
Speaker 3: We are currently anticipating full year 2023 total revenues.
Speaker 3: to between 70 and 72 million.
Speaker 3: Additionally, we are anticipating that as a result of our cost-cutting initiatives, which were fully implemented in the third quarter and projected revenue growth we are projecting, we are also anticipating total adjusted EBITDA between $5.2 and $5.4 million.
Speaker 3: Both of these items are based on the assumptions I have discussed. Now with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Steve to discuss our financial results in more detail. Steve? Hello there to all of you v few minutes before or after the-
Speaker 4: Thanks Bart, and thanks everyone for joining us. Let's now turn to our fourth quarter and full year 22 results in more detail.
Speaker 4: Total net sales for the fourth quarter were $18 million, up 61% compared to $11.1 million in the prior year period. For the full year 22, total net sales were $58.1 million, which was up 48% compared to the $39.4 million in 21. Sales from our Food Service Technology Market, or FST, for the fourth quarter were $3.1 million, up $3.1 million in the prior year period.
Speaker 4: seasonal fourth quarter slowness in Q422.
Speaker 4: We added 251 paid terminals in the fourth quarter and ended the year at 12,180 units in the market.
Speaker 4: Our recurring FST sales, which include software and service subscriptions as well as consumable label sales for the fourth quarter, were $2.4 million, up 14% compared to $2.1 million in the prior year period.
Speaker 4: For the full year, recurring FST sales were $8.7 million, up 18% compared to $7.4 million for the full year 21.
Speaker 4: Our ARPU for the fourth quarter of 2022 was $806, down 16% compared to $965 in the fourth quarter of 2021. As Bart has mentioned before, the downward pressure in ARPU is a result of additional terminals in the install base, which are currently not generating any recurring revenue.
Speaker 4: But the good news is we are growing our population of Boha terminals printing labels in the market, giving us fertile ground to hunt for additional business and eventually sell additional Boha software apps to these customers.
Speaker 4: Our casino and gaming sales reached a quarterly record of $11 million, up 123% from the fourth quarter of 2021, and up 42% sequentially from the third quarter of 2022.
Speaker 4: We saw strength across the board as our casino and gaming products continued to pick up market share.
Speaker 4: This was a result of the new competitive dynamics that Bart spoke to, including a competitor's inability to supply their customers with product, leading to increased market share for Transact.
Speaker 4: POS automation sales for the fourth quarter more than doubled, increasing 143% from the prior year to $3 million. This was the result of higher ITHCA 9000 sales due to a key supplier once again being unable to deliver product this quarter.
Speaker 4: as well as a special project we were able to service with our POS printer for a large QSR, combined with our ramp in production, allowing us to fulfill orders sooner than expected.
Speaker 4: However, sales decreased sequentially, as expected, as shipments of printers for this special project came to an end.
Speaker 4: POS automation sales for the full year were 10.7 million, up 121% from the full year 21.
Speaker 4: Moving to Transac Services Group or TSG, for the fourth quarter, TSG sales were down 24% year-over-year to $946,000.
Speaker 4: This decrease was largely due to slower sales of spare parts and accessories. For the full year 22, TSG sales were $5.1 million, down 15% from the full year 21.
Speaker 4: However, due to the need by customers in certain markets to keep their printers working longer due to supply chain constraints, we expect TSG revenue to grow in 23 as we supply spare parts for this new demand. Moving down the income statement, our fourth quarter gross margin was 45.8% as compared to 38.7%.
Speaker 5: effects.
Speaker 4: Our operating expenses for the fourth quarter increased 12% to $7.7 million. For the full year 22, operating expenses were $32.1 million, up 30% from the full year 21.
Speaker 4: Breaking this down a little bit further, our engineering and R&D expenses for the fourth quarter increased 7% to $2.1 million.
Speaker 4: parts and qualifying new parts as issues arose throughout the year.
Speaker 4: Our selling and marketing expenses increased 2% to $2.6 million for the fourth quarter. And for the full year, our selling and marketing expenses were $11.3 million, which was up 48% on a year-over-year basis, largely due to a return to pre-COVID levels of spending, as well as the build-out of the FSD sales group and higher sales commissions to our casino and gaming sales team.
Speaker 4: million, which were up 27% from the full year 21.
Speaker 4: The increases were largely due to across-the-board salary increases and higher depreciation and expenses to support the company's new ERP system that we implemented during 2022. We generated operating income of $494,000 in Q4 2022 compared to an operating loss of $2.6 million in the prior year period.
Speaker 4: Now the bottom line, we recorded net income of $260,000 or 3 cents per joule to share.
Speaker 4: compared to a net loss of $823,000 or $0.08 per diluted share in the year-ago period. For the full year, we had a net loss of $5.9 million or $0.60 per diluted share as compared to a net loss of $4.0 million or $0.43 per diluted share in the year-ago period.
Speaker 4: Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter improved to 1.3 million compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of 2.2 million from the fourth quarter 21.
Speaker 4: And for the full year, our adjusted EBITDA loss was 5.2 million compared to a loss of 7.5 million in 2021.
Speaker 4: As Barton mentioned, looking to 2023, we expect to generate total adjusted EBITDA of between $5.2 million and $5.4 million, which would be a great turnaround for Transact.
Speaker 4: And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Bart for any closing remarks. Bart?
Speaker 4: And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Bart for any closing remarks. Bart? Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 3: It's been a just a...
Speaker 3: Hell of a ride the last 12 to 18 months, but here we are with an exciting 2023 coming. I do want to mention that I will be attending the Roth conference.
Speaker 3: that's coming up Sunday night, Monday and Tuesday in Southern California and available for one-on-one if you want to come and join and meet with me. With that operator, I'll turn the call over to questions.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, good afternoon Bart and Steve. Hope you're both doing well. I wanted to start out with some insights about the guidance. It's well above my model for 2023, so great to see that. EBITDA profitability is material. I'm curious if you could give high level how that breaks out between...
Speaker 6: casino and gaming, which obviously you've got significant wind at your sails there, and then with FST. It sounds like FST you're looking more towards a 2024 significant ramp in terminal installs. Am I reading that right?...
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question Jeff, and thank you. I hope all is well at your end and clearly we'll see you over the weekend.
Speaker 3: The way we look at the year on a macro basis is we'll see lower POS sales only because the special project is over.
Speaker 3: we'll see higher TSG sales. It is interesting that in certain markets that we used to serve, we're being asked to supply spare parts, which of course is at wonderful margins.
Speaker 3: And then we do expect both casino and gaming and FST sales to be up. Regarding casino and gaming, clearly we're trying to meet the demand and the fourth production line is up and running and I think we're pretty good right now at leveling up the factory and eventually getting to air.
Speaker 3: to ship printers by sea so that we can start stocking some printers, which will help our customers out because they're still paying for air freight. In our FST business, we are seeing a better first quarter than we had in the fourth quarter. So some more just get pushed out.
Speaker 3: You know, when we were in the POS business, the fourth quarter was always our lowest business because most restaurants do not want to install new technology when Thanksgiving comes and the holidays start. You know, we are at a cycle of the business where we want a lot of C stores, we want a lot on the grocery aisle and now restaurants are starting to pick up.
Speaker 3: and that seasonality of restaurants will have an effect on our sales just in timing. But we are expecting that one large QSR will start rolling out technology, which will include both terminals and software.
Speaker 3: And that should start towards
Speaker 3: the middle of the third quarter. If everything goes right with the testing and all that, we expect to start rolling that out and clearly that'll begin in the mid beginning, mid to end of the third quarter through the fourth quarter, and then we'll definitely pick up next year. But we do have some other projects that we should see incremental growth in 2023.
Speaker 3: both in our recurring revenue and our hardware sales for FST. So 23 versus 22 should be up.
Speaker 6: Okay, and then could you give us an update on your large QSR customer, how their rollout is going, what kind of visibility you have? I think we ran into some issues with.
Speaker 3: a large integration they were working on, if there continued to be a distraction, any color there would be helpful. The large QSR that we're working on, we don't see any distraction. I'm not sure what that was about, but, you know, we are trying to get- large C-Store, not large Q-Store.
Speaker 3: Oh, large C-Store. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Jeff. You know, we are starting to see business come back.
Speaker 3: So, you know, we're staying close to them. It's been a funky kind of six to eight months with them with starts and stops and all that, but we have seen some new orders come in, Jeff. So that bodes well for continuing rollout. So we're hopeful that continues. But we have seen some orders come in the first quarter.
Speaker 6: Okay, great. In terms of component supply, it sounds like those issues are largely behind you, knock on wood, but I'm curious if you had any additional challenges in Q4 or thus far in Q1.
Speaker 3: You know, the thing that we've been able to do, what we call a whack-a-mole of course, is to get through the really tough part issues.
Speaker 3: processors and things like that, motor drivers, which were really difficult. You know, now we see spot issues on some of the other parts.
Speaker 3: We have become a major customer of one of our suppliers because of putting in the fourth production line. So we feel we're now more important to them to pay attention to us. So we stay very close to it. You can understand we used to have daily meetings. We used to meet literally seven days a week.
Speaker 3: It was 24-7, you know, if something hit 2 o'clock in the morning, the calls would start. Now we're down to once a week and just trying to ramp up production. We feel good about it. We have, like I said, a meeting every week. We follow the production and like I said, we are trying to get to an inventory position now.
Speaker 3: So it gives us a little confidence in the parts that are coming in. Great. I'll yield to others. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. Our next question is from George Sutton with Craig Hallam. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. And Bart, congrats on the good work.
Speaker 6: So relative to what you were referring to with respect to an international opportunity with QSR brands, I'm just curious if you were referring to new logos or are you referring to the same logo as your domestic expected rollout?...
Speaker 3: later this year. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so our QSRs are global.
Speaker 3: So every QSR that our big customer.
Speaker 3: or big customers of ours are global. So we work with them both domestically and then in not across the whole world, but in certain markets that they accepted our products.
Speaker 3: So, again, these are global QSRs.
Speaker 3: So again, these are global QSRs.
Speaker 6: chain issues at your casino printer competitor. Can you give us any update of what you're hearing in the market relative to their issues? You know I remember your, I loved your analyst report, a picture tells of the house and printers right? I think that was your.
Speaker 3: It was fabulous. Um, look, I don't want to talk about our competitor.
Speaker 3: You know, what's what we're grappling with is the demand. You know, it's kind of a it's almost a perfect storm in a way, but a perfect, you know, blooming flower. You know, we've got a casino market that's come back after a very, very difficult time. Casinos never close and they closed in 2020 2021.
Speaker 3: So they're back, it's very crowded. I just got back from Vegas last week, still very crowded. They're buying slot machines, which is great for us, but at the same time, we're basically the only printer supplier.
Speaker 3: So, you know, we're grappling with that challenge. I did do a shout out to my sales team, both inside sales and outside sales. You know, when slot machine manufacturers who are also trying to grow their business can't get product. Google
Speaker 3: they get angry and not happy. And when they found out we had products, you know, it was great that they came to us, but we had to manage their expectations. Clearly we were sold out in the fourth quarter. So I give a shout out to my sales team, my inside team, Tracy running worldwide gaming that.
Speaker 3: They managed the customer's expectations and we kept them happy during what was a sprint for us, if you know the term sprint in the software world, to get all this done and be able to ramp up production the way we did. These parts shortages are real and they're still out there.
Speaker 3: I give a shout out to our suppliers, one in particular that worked with us on the chip.
Speaker 3: and by deciding to use the same chip across all of our platforms.
Speaker 3: They said if we would do that, they would respond in kind. And I do a shout out to them to thank them and my engineers that said, okay, I'll make this chip work across all of our product lines.
Speaker 3: So, you know, it was a great effort and, you know, from what we see right now, the demand continues.
Speaker 3: and we just got to stay on top of it, we've got to stay close to it, and we've got to understand our customers' expectations.
Speaker 3: The good news is we have printers, but the bad news is we have the printers and we've got to maintain those relationships as we supply those printers to the marketplace.
Speaker 6: I understand. One other thing, Steve, I'm wondering if you could look at Q4 and then the full year 23 guide and break it down into volume versus price for us, given that you've raised prices. I'm just curious how much of a component price you're saying is a component price.
Speaker 4: You mean how much of the revenue go up because of each of those, George? Correct.
Speaker 3: contributed as well. In 2022, in 2023, it's all buy-in. The price increase, we haven't raised price in 2023.
Speaker 3: So it's all volume. The last price increase we put through was September of 2022.
Speaker 3: So the growth of 2023 will be, I mean, they'll be compared to the first quarter of pricing is up, but also our costs are up.
Speaker 3: So you can't just look at that right our operating costs are up because of wage inflation and all that Um, so it's really by George
I mean the volume is up. Some do the price though too because of the full year effect of the price increase. But Bart's right.
But you also have expenses that are up. We have operating expenses that are up. We give a hell of a raise, you know, an increase to keep our employees. So it's.
It's going to be a good volume year for us. Thanks, guys.
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Our next question is from Mitchell Sachs with Grand Slam Asset Management. Please proceed with your question. We'll judges our Carnival Line inSequences.
Guys, congrats on a super Q4.
Thank you.
So this is the first time I've seen you guys give guidance obviously been following you a while Can you just talk a little bit about why you have the confidence this year to?
during COVID and now into a nicely profitable stance. If you could do that, that'd be great. Yeah, Mitch.
When we looked at the numbers and now again, you know, we all know that something can change in June .
bomb could go off or China could say they're taking it to another level. What we see right now
is a very steady casino business. And we do have these projects with FSP. So we felt due to the fact that we came through such a difficult period, not actually getting to focus on combatting.
is a very steady casino business, and we do have these projects with FSP. So we felt due to the fact that we came through such a difficult period that you deserved to hear from us.
what we were seeing right now. Again, things can change. And we saw that as the pandemic hit, things can change. But given where we've come from and the support that we've had from the shareholders.
over these past couple of years and how difficult it has been for them to watch what's occurred, not just with us but other companies. We felt good about sharing some of this good news, so you could at least see that we've made a lot of progress, and we're expecting even more progress this year. Awesome. And then with respect to the FST business,
You know, we've been to the restaurant show and seen what's out there. Are you seeing anything out there from any competitors that give you any pause in terms of your first mover advantage? I think the low hanging fruit is labeling, Mitch. And you know, when you.
When you talk to a restaurant company, and we'll talk about the different verticals, right? When you talk to a restaurant company and they are fighting food inflation and labor shortages and labor inflation, and you show them the labeling and you show them what it can save them.
that's you know it resonates with them you're not asking them to change the whole system you're really just saying look here's what we can do you've already had you're either doing it by hand or you've got our old 9700 in you know now look at what you can do with this thing and it's resonating
So in the restaurant industry, the talk of labor savings and the fact that they can see the label better and either not serve something that's expired or can see that something is expiring and make some stuff up so they don't lose that food.
and throw it out. If we can save them 2-3% on waste, it's huge. So we're really focusing in on where we think we're the strongest, which is labeling. And it always has been.
Now the C-Store and grocery aisle is all about fresh food and labeling. And the interesting thing there is a lot of our customers are starting to see that that label can become a marketing device and we're working with them on different designs and round labels and color labels and things like that. And the C-Store market is a very interesting market. Like 60% of the C-Store market are individual stores. So you really just...
working on the top 30, 40%. But they're all looking at fresh food as a growth. And when they start looking at that and looking at what's the most efficient, productive way to do that, clearly our labeling solution is catching their attention. And due to the fact that we've been in the industry the longest with labeling.
We started with McDonald's, right? 9700, started rolling it out, big orders in 2014 and all that. We've learned a lot about labeling and the different things that people can do with it. There are things that we do that nobody else does just because of our experience over the years. So what we are really trying to focus in on is, is that we're trying to make sure that
is when we look at the restaurant market, stop talking the huge story, get in and talk to them about where their costs are and how you can help their costs. They're taking temperature today. We get it. But if you can show them a clear label that says, hey, in two days, that thing's gonna...
maybe you want to cook some more something with the tomato sauce. So you don't have to throw that out. So we've heard from restaurants how much money was saving them on both labor, but also on food costs. And even one restaurant company told me personally that they think that their food quality has gone.
up. So we're really trying to focus Mitch and you know I share this with you on where we can sell because look restaurants are they still have headwinds. Man they came out of a tough pandemic and they got inflation up the kazoo, they got food, they got labor shortages. When you can sit down and just say look you're doing this today but look what we can do for you and it's not that expensive we can say this.
MKM, please proceed with your question.
at your market share. That would suggest.
You're near 100% market share now.
And on top of that you've got pent-up demand to service. So I guess question number one is how much pent-up demand remains number two Do you anticipate your competitor or within your guidance? Do you assume that your competitor comes back into the market or do you assume that you're kind of the
the only game in town still for the balance of 2023. So what's important for us, and we're all doing a fair amount of travel to keep our ears to the ground to listen to what's going on with our competitor because we have ramped up our production.
We're assuming that we're going to maintain most of the market share through 2023. We do assume that it's going to come down a little, you know, because it's hard to imagine them not coming back.
But you know, our backlog is really high. People are locking up our production. So we have, and that answers the question, okay, why can you give some guidance? Because we have some visibility that we've never had before. You know, our casino customers would buy and we would ship. We always had inventory and now they're placing orders months ahead of time.
So we have some visibility to the demand. But we do project in the second half that it comes down a little and still feel that the sales and EBITDA numbers are good. With the fourth line that we put in Jeff, our capacity can meet what we consider the demand to be today.
We look at the history of the casino business. We do know that there was pent up demand in the fourth quarter because there was this shortage of product in the fourth quarter. There was huge shortage of product in the third quarter. So we were able to make up some of that shortage. But we are seeing the demand continue. We are seeing the demand continue.
not expecting will at least have that capacity because we are using that demand to put some printers on the ocean to eventually get to a stocking position. We don't want to have to charge our customers to air freight. So we are increasing the demand. We want to have the OCO inventory come up a tiny bit.
or because we want to put some product on the ocean and start to service them out of our inventory versus air freighting to them. Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Jeff. Thanks. We've reached the end of the question and answer period. I would now like to turn the call over to Bart Shuldman for closing comments.
Look, I'd like to thank our shareholders. 2020 was an amazing time when you had launched some really cool technology and you had a lot of people asking for it and then everything just shut down. I know I've talked about it and everybody has experienced it.
You know, it was tough, and it was tough on our shareholders, tough on our employees, tough on me to have to explain what was going on to our shareholders. And I really do appreciate the support that you gave us.
I can only be thankful that we can in return share some success with you, drive that success through the business and without any disruption this year and let's hope we don't see any you know drive to these numbers that we've given you.
I do look forward to those that are going to go to the Voth Capital Conference to be the first one of the year for us. And I'm happy to sit down and one-on-one I am making myself available both Monday and Tuesday. I think Monday is getting filled up, Tuesday is also getting filled up, but I'd be happy to fill you in to fit you in and if we need to just have a beer or something.
I do want to thank our shareholders. I also cannot thank our employees more. These are really good people who never gave up and came through for all of us. So thank you very much. We look forward to our next conference call and continuing on this journey. Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time.
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