Q4 2022 Ventyx Biosciences Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 4: Thank you Chelsea, good afternoon everyone, thanks for joining us today. Welcome to Ventix Biosciences conference call and webcast where we will be discussing our fourth quarter and full year 2022 financial results and providing a business update. As a reminder, the company's most recent investor presentation can be found on our website at www.ventixbio.com.
Speaker 4: clinical trials, the anticipated timing of release of clinical trial data, the market opportunity for our product candidates, and the expected timeframe for funding operations with our current cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities.
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Speaker 4: Factors that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ materially from those expressed in the OR or implied by such forward-looking statements are discussed in greater detail and our most recent reports filed with the SEC, including our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, which we anticipate will be filed this afternoon.
Speaker 4: Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of the date of this call and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revisions to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events, except as required by law.
Speaker 4: With that said, I'll hand the call now over to Dr. Rajeev Mohan, Pentix's founder and CEO . Rajeev, please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Thanks, Marty, and thanks, everyone, for joining the call this afternoon.
Speaker 5: So here's today's agenda. I'm going to provide a high level of business update and then I'm going to hand the call over to Bill Sanborn, our President and Chief Medical Officer.
Speaker 5: and Bill will provide a little more color across all our pipeline programs.
Speaker 5: And finally, Marty will wrap up with a brief overview of our full year 2022 financial results before we open the call up for Q&A.
Speaker 5: So let me start with reiterating that 2022 was a year of outstanding progress and execution for Ventix. I could not be prouder of our accomplishments as we continue to build an amazing team.
Speaker 5: strengthen our financial position, and successfully advance our unique portfolio of internally discovered, wholly owned small molecules that target large markets with high unmet medical need.
Speaker 5: Recapping now, in the third quarter of 2022, we reported positive top-line results from the Phase 1 trial of our novel ELSI-RCT2 inhibitor, VTX958.
Speaker 5: We believe these data demonstrate a potential best-in-class profile, including class-leading IC90 coverage of IL-23 and other TIC-2-mediated cytokines, an excellent safety profile across all doses tested in the multiple ascending dose portion of the Phase 1 trial.
Speaker 5: As we had previously guided,
Speaker 5: We initiated three phase two programs with VTX958.
Speaker 5: beginning with the Serenity Trial in moderate to severe plaxoriasis.
Speaker 5: the Harmony trial in moderate to severe active Crohn's disease, and the Tranquility trial in active psorotic arthritis. As I said before, BILIT is going to provide additional color on these trials.
Speaker 5: In June of 2022, we reported positive Phase I data for our peripheral NLRP3 inhibitor, BTX2735.
Speaker 5: With the completion of requisite CMC and toxicology studies...
Speaker 5: BTX 2735 is now a Phase II Ready program.
Speaker 5: To that end, we today announced that we have initiated a Phase II proof of mechanism trial for VTX2735 in CAHPS patients.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, our novel CNS-penetrant NLRP3 inhibitor, VTX3232, has completed IND-enabling studies.
Speaker 5: And we look forward to initiating a Phase 1 trial later in the first half of this year.
Speaker 5: And we've achieved all of this while continuing to execute on the global phase 2 trial of our potential best in class S1P1 receptor modulator VTX002 in ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: We are pleased to report that this trial remains on track to complete enrollment by mid-year, and we remain excited about the potential for VTX002 to differentiate from other S1P1 and ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: And with 2022 behind us.
Speaker 5: We held our R&D day in New York in January and laid out our vision for what we believe will be a truly transformative year in 2023 for Ventix.
Speaker 5: with a number of key clinical catalysts.
Speaker 5: in the near term horizon.
Speaker 5: The cadence of data will start with top-line phase 2 data for VTX002, our S1P1 modulator in ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: which is expected in the second half of the year, likely late Q3 or early Q4.
Speaker 5: We expect to report top-line data from the Phase 2 serenity trial of VTX958 in black psoriasis later in Q4. And finally, we expect the Phase 2 data readouts for VTX958 in psoriatic arthritis and Crohn's disease.
Speaker 5: top-line data from the Phase 2 serenity trial of VTX958 in black psoriasis later in Q4. And finally, we expect the Phase 2 data readouts for VTX958 in psoriatic arthritis and Crohn's disease in 2024.
Speaker 5: So as you can see from my brief summary, there's tremendous amount of activity across our entire pipeline, but as always, we remain committed to our mission.
Speaker 5: which is to bring safe and effective oral medicines to large immunology markets.
Speaker 5: currently dominated by biologics. So we look forward to sharing more updates with you as we progress throughout this year. But with that, I'm gonna hand the call over to Bill for a more in-depth update on our pipeline programs.
Speaker 5: So we look forward to sharing more updates with you as we progress throughout this year. But with that, I'm going to hand the call over to Bill for a more in-depth update on our pipeline programs. Bill.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Raju, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm excited to provide a brief pipeline update today as we look forward to a very important year for Ventix. I'll begin with the BTX958. As we've mentioned, enrollment is underway in three Phase II trials of BTX958. This includes the Serenity Trial in Water.
Speaker 5: severe plaque psoriasis, the Harmony trial in moderate lead to severely active Crohn's disease, and the Tranquility trial in active psoriatic arthritis.
Speaker 5: We presented key aspects of these three phase two trials at our R&D day in January . I won't repeat all of those details here, but it's important to reiterate that across the three phase two trials, we will explore a range of doses including a high dose.
Speaker 5: that is expected to approximate trough coverage of IL-23 IC90.
Speaker 5: We believe that VTX958 is unique among TIK2 inhibitors in development and may be the first to explore the therapeutic impact of near full inhibition of TIK2 pathways across relevant indications resulting in potential biologic-like suppression of IL-23 activity. We believe that this level of inhibition of IL-23 will be important for maximizing efficacy and psoriasis.
Speaker 5: biologic-like target coverage will be required to achieve efficacy.
Speaker 5: Our team is laser focused on the execution of these trials and we look forward to reporting top-line data from the Phase 2 Serenity trial and plaque psoriasis during the fourth quarter of this year.
Speaker 5: We also continued to make progress on the development of an extended release tablet formulation for BTX958 for a once a day or QD dosing regimen in Phase III, which is expected to simulate our class leading exposures in our Phase II trials. On our R&D day, we also showed early data from our prototype extended…
Speaker 5: product profile for the QD Resurment.
Speaker 5: We look forward to updating you on these efforts in the middle part of the year after we have completed our initial inhuman testing of these promising prototypes.
Speaker 5: In the second half of 2023, we will initiate CMC activities on the extended release tablets to be Phase 3 ready with the start of Phase 3 for psoriasis in 2024. We have also initiated broader Phase 3 planning and will provide more details on this in the latter part of the year.
Speaker 5: Moving on to VTX002, I would now like to update you on the Phase II program for our potential best-in-class S1P1 receptor modulator for ulcerative colitis. At our R&D day, we laid out our strategic vision for this program and shared some very encouraging preliminary pharmacodynamic data from the open-label extension of the ongoing phase.
Speaker 5: mean reduction from baseline in the absolute lymphocyte count of 74%, which we believe is clinically optimized in terms of pharmacodynamic response compared to the more limited absolute lymphocyte reduction achieved by Trasimod and Ozanimod, which is in the 50% range. As we look across the landscape of S1P modulators, we see that the
Speaker 5: in multiple sclerosis and ulcerative colitis, we believe that there is a clear and consistent positive correlation between the pharmacodynamic effect as measured by the absolute emphycite count and clinical efficacy with S1P modulators and multiple sclerosis establishing both the efficacy benefits.
Speaker 5: as well as an extensively characterized safety profile of ALC reductions in the 70 to 80% range.
Speaker 5: Although extensively studied in these multiple sclerosis trials, exploration of the upper part of the safe achievable ALC reduction has, to date, not been adequately explored in ulcerative colitis. Our phase two trial is designed to explore this hypothesis in UC with our 30 milligram dose expected to achieve a pharmacodynamic effect.
Speaker 5: similar to or somewhat higher than Atrasimod and Azanimod, whereas our 60 milligram dose is expected to achieve best in class absolute lymphocyte reductions in the 70 to 80 percent range.
Speaker 5: And with an early look at our open label extension data showing a 74% mean reduction from baseline in the ALC with the 60 milligram dose, we believe we are tracking right on target and we are optimistic that...
Speaker 5: Our dosing strategy targeting this magnitude of ALC reduction may translate to best-in-class efficacy profile in ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: So we are very excited about the potential of BTX002, and we continue to make great progress in enrolling this trial. We're well on track to wrap up enrollment by mid-year in line with our prior guidance, and we look forward to reporting top line results in the second half of the year.
Speaker 5: And similar to the planning with VTX 958, we have begun a wide range of other Phase 3 enabling studies for VTX 0-0-2. Next, I'll briefly discuss our NLRP3 inhibitor portfolio. As Raju mentioned, we're pleased to announce today that we've initiated a Phase 2 proof of mechanism trial.
Speaker 5: of our peripheral NLRP3 inhibitor, VTX.
Speaker 5: 2735, and cryopyrin associated periodic syndromes, or CAPS, a group of rare autoinflammatory conditions caused by a gain of function mutations in the NLRP3 gene.
Speaker 5: Specifically, we're targeting patients with the familial cold auto-inflammatory syndrome or FACS, which is the most common subpopulation of caps.
Speaker 5: This trial represents an opportunity for us to efficiently demonstrate clinical proof of mechanism for VTX 2735 and a fine patient population with mutations in the LRP 3 gene where we know that IL-1 beta antibodies have already been proven effective. Longer term, we continue to see great potential for systemic NLRP.
Speaker 5: initiated phase one trial of our novel CNS Penetrant NLRP3 inhibitor BTX3232 during the first half of this year. We expect this trial will characterize the safety target engagement and CNS Nile availability of BTX3232 and healthy volunteers.
Speaker 5: As we highlighted at our R&D day, we believe that the profile of VTX 3232 may define it as a class-leading therapeutic for a range of neuroinflammatory conditions with a high medical need. These could include Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, among others.
Speaker 5: We're very excited about this program and we look forward to advancing VTX 3232 into the clinic in the upcoming months.
Speaker 5: This concludes our pipeline update for today. In summary, we continue to make great progress across the pipeline with five Phase 2 trials now underway. And we look forward to generating very meaningful Phase 2 clinical data for VTX-0 or VTX-958 beginning later this year.
Speaker 5: None of this happens without a great deal of dedication and diligence for our team, and so I want to echo Raju's sentiments and thank the whole Ventix team for their ongoing efforts.
Speaker 4: Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to hand the call back to Marty Oster for a brief discussion of our financial results. Marty? Yeah, thanks Bill. You'll find our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year in our press release and I'll summarize just the full year results here now. R&D expenses were 87.7 million for the year ended December 31st 2022 compared to 58.5 million for the year.
Speaker 4: for the year ending in 2021. This increase reflects the advancement of our pipeline into later stages of clinical testing, including execution of the ongoing phase 2 trial of BTX02 in ulcerative colitis, as well as phase 2 preparation startup activities for BTX958 in psoriasis, Crohn's disease, and psoriatic arthritis.
Speaker 4: G&A expenses grew to $25.4 million in 2022 compared to $8.7 million in 2021, reflecting the buildup of our corporate infrastructure. Net loss was $108.4 million for the year ended December 31, 2022 compared to $83.7 million for the year ending in 2021.
Speaker 4: Cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities were $356.6 million as of December 31, 2022. That's a quaint to the end of the year. In early 2023, we raised $48.4 million in net proceeds through our ATN program, resulting in adjusted total cash and cash equivalence balance of $405 million.
Speaker 4: As we spoke on our last quarterly call, we expect our operating expenses to continue to increase throughout 2023 as a function of increased clinical costs associated with our five ongoing phase two trials with VTX 958, VTX 002, and VTX 2735 as well as CMC activities which will be undertaking to prepare the company.
Speaker 4: for future phase 3 trials for VTX-O2, VTX 958 and the rest of the pipe time.
Speaker 4: While we may experience some quarter to quarter variability in our operating results, the general trend will likely be higher over the course of the year. And we continue to believe our current cash equivalent to marketable securities are sufficient for support planned operations into 2025.
Speaker 4: This concludes our prepared remarks for the afternoon's call, and I'll now turn the call back to the operator to begin the Q&A session, and I'll be joined there by Reggie Enbille, operator.
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Speaker 4: Our first question will come from Michael Yee with Jefferies. Your line is open. Hello. Thanks for the question. I had a question, two-part question for Bill, maybe. I guess recently we saw some data from a second generation tick-2. Had some better positive data in psoriasis, but I'm interested in your views about...
Speaker 4: how much better that was than the first generation took to and what the implication is for what you could show your psoriasis data as a second generation. So maybe talk about what your expectations now for your psoriasis data given what we just saw. And then secondly, based on that, we'll read you that Bristol will be using a higher dose in Crohn's disease and therefore what you would expect out of that and what that would mean for you as well. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bill? Beginning with the next generation TIK2 inhibitor where data was reported, I think what we saw was that the higher doses that there were greater rates of TIK2.
Speaker 5: PASSY 7590 and 100, then what was seen in the phase three studies of dukrabacidinib at the 6mg once a day dose.
Speaker 5: and we believe that the IC70 coverage is generally more robust.
Speaker 5: with the next generation product so that to our way of thinking it really fits with our premise for VTX 958 that more intensive target coverage will lead to greater efficacy. I think it's encouraging that you saw the greatest level of PASSI 100.
Speaker 5: substantial or complete IC90 coverage over 24 hours.
Speaker 5: For Crohn's disease, what we know from the relationship between TIC-2 inhibition and IL-23 antibodies is that the doses that are required to see efficacy in Crohn's disease, and the same would be true of ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: is that you need doses.
Speaker 5: of antibody that are at least as great as what gave maximal PASSI 7590 and 100 rates in psoriasis. So far, the doses studied with de-cravicidinib, even investigational doses of six twice a day or 12 once a day.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Our next question will come from Yasmeen Rahimi with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Speaker 7: Good afternoon team and congrats on all the great updates. I guess following on to the question that Mike had,
Speaker 7: in regards to the competitor data. One of the questions that a lot of clients are asking us is in regards to a plateauing effect that was observed with their programs, as you recall, at the 15 and 30 meg dose group, the PASTE reductions were very identical. And so the question being raised is, is there just a function of just...
Speaker 7: you know, something in the molecule or what, why was it that you're reaching the plateau, given that there must have been a differences in IC90 coverage between 15 and 30 milligrams, and how do we know moving forward with the doses you are going with that there's not really a plateau.
Speaker 7: I greatly appreciate any of your comments there. And then in regards to, for Dr. Sanborn, you could just give us a little bit more color in terms of how enrollment is progressing into serenity and maybe to the extent you could comment on whether it's going to be maybe early on the 4Q or later in 4Q for data on the...
Speaker 5: specific to the 15 and 30 milligram dose. These are small trials. There's a lot of exposure variability amongst these doses.
Speaker 5: And that's one aspect of it. But I think the real focus should be on the more sensitive endpoints where you clearly see a benefit for higher coverage. And you see it for Dacrova, you see it for the Nimbus-Tacada drug, and we expect that for our compound as well, right? So I think the...
Speaker 5: The totality of this we should take home is that from all the trials in psoriasis, IL-23 biologics give you about 80% on PASI 75, about 70% are PASI 90 and about...
Speaker 5: 33 to 50 percent of BACCE 100. That's the overall efficacy profile we are targeting. And we can show that we can achieve biologic-like coverage of IL-23.
Speaker 5: in our phase one data, and we're targeting biologic-like coverage, biologic-like efficacy in our phase two trials, not only for psoriasis, but for Crohn's disease and psoriatic arthritis. So really focus on the more sensitive endpoints and cross-trial comparisons are difficult.
Speaker 8: But really, as you get to the higher efficacy endpoints, like passing 90 and 100, you will see differentiation with drugs that have higher coverage of IL-23, and that's what we're targeting.
Speaker 5: Bill, why don't you update on the enrollment? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think we're circumspect about providing too much details on enrollment except to say that I'm very comfortable committing to top-line data in the fourth quarter of this year.
Speaker 3: work. Thanks, Yasin. Thank you. Our next question will come from Matthew Harrison with Morgan Stanley . Your line is open.
Speaker 9: Hi, this is Steve from Matthew. Thanks for taking my question. So, when I asked about the VTS2735, the Phase II trial, you just started on CAHPS. How should we think about the peripheral concept and what should we expect to see in the data? Thank you.
Speaker 9: Hi, this is Steve from Matthew. Thanks for taking my question. So when I asked about the VTS2735, the phase two trial is just started on CAPS, how should we think about the proof of concept and what should we expect to see in the data? Thank you. Yeah, Bill.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so as you know, with CAPS, they have a variety of symptoms which can include rash, fever, arthralgias. There are validated scoring systems that measure those.
Speaker 5: The patients will not be on a biologic, so they will have stopped a biologic, they'll be symptomatic, we're treating them in the context of the trial and expecting to see improvement in the transient.
Speaker 5: validated symptom measures, which should allow relatively direct comparisons to prior phase two and phase three data with
Speaker 5: the various biologic agents, which include Anakinra, Alana Sepp, and Kanakinumab.
Speaker 5: various biologic agents which include Anakinra, Rolanacept, and Canakinumab. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Our next question will come from Jeff Jones with Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Good afternoon, guys, and thanks for taking the question. I guess I'll slide over to the 002 program.
Speaker 4: With the Atrasimod data now published, and of course, Bill, you as first author, any thoughts on how that study data impacts your positioning of...
Speaker 5: The 002 program, obviously that study's well underway. But how does that help you in your thinking about positioning of the program and getting ready for Phase III? Yeah, so what you see with both ozanomod and atrasomod
Speaker 5: from their phase two programs is they had a lower dose that achieved roughly 30% reduction in ALC from baseline and a higher dose that received, that resulted in 50 to sort of 54, 55%.
Speaker 5: reduction in the ALC. And with each drug you saw a linear dose response from the 30% reduction to the 50 to 55% reduction. If you look analogously in multiple sclerosis, in phase two trials they explored, there's four different drugs approved.
Speaker 5: and for S1P, and in phase two they explored across the range from 20 or 30 percent ALC reduction all the way to 79 percent ALC reduction, and then in phase three...
Speaker 5: a range across sort of 55% with ozanumod on the low side of multiple sclerosis up to 73 to 79% with different doses of Jelenia on the higher side of ALC reduction. And across all of these, whether you look at clinical remission and endoscopy across low to mid-lymphocyte reduction in ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: or annualized relapse rate, a clinical measure of multiple sclerosis, or reduction in T1 gadolinium enhancing brain lesion reduction on MRI with multiple sclerosis, you see linear relationships between the degree of lymphocyte reduction and T op helmet called
Speaker 5: clinical outcome measures on one hand or sort of structural outcome measures on the other. And at least in multiple sclerosis, you don't really plateau those effects until you get up to at least 65 percent ALC reduction in probably low 70s.
Speaker 5: So what we believe is that the range above 55% reduction is unexplored in ulcerative colitis and given what's been seen with multiple sclerosis, we think it's very logical that what's been seen with multiple sclerosis going to 70-something percent reduction and the linear relationship between load and immediate lymphocyte reduction and ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 5: existing drugs, the difference between drug and placebo is about 10%, so a 20% plus delta becomes really clinically meaningful, especially for a safe oral therapy. Great. Now I appreciate that color and sounds fairly analogous to the way you're thinking about the TIC-2 scenario. I'll jump back into the queue. Thanks guys.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. Our next question will come from Chris Shabutani with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. If I could return to 958 and some of the context with competitor data that we saw at the AAD meeting, but maybe approach it more than the question of not efficacy.
Speaker 4: now that we have sort of a new visibility on the competitive data set and what's happening. I believe theoretically there's still potential for you to make modifications to your Phase 2 programs across the different indications. How are you thinking about that? Is there potential for tweaks to any of the program designs? Thank you.
Speaker 8: I'll take the latter question and I'll have Bill talk about some of the safety endpoints that have been disclosed with the latest Takeda Nimbus data. Now we have a very strong belief in our design of the Phase II trials across...
Speaker 8: all three trials, very carefully targeted, approached the way we've done the dose regimens and the dose cohorts. We've shared the broad strategy across all three programs with psoriasis and then with Crohn's disease and with psoriatic arthritis.
Speaker 8: And really at the top dose, we're targeting, as we said, biologic light coverage, trough levels of IC90 coverage for all three indications there.
Speaker 8: So none of the data that you've seen come out, whether it's the statistical data or now recently the Nimbus Takeda data has any impact on our strategy. But we have a clear line of sight to, as I said before, build particularly in previous discussions as well. Chris, that our belief in our target coverage.
Speaker 8: with biologic-like coverage, we are really aiming for biologic-like efficacy across these trials. So nothing here needs to be adjusted or tuned, you know, and we're laser focused on execution of these trials. But let me get back to Bill on your question about CPK and tolerability.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, for CPK, if you walk back to do Cravacitinib, and, you know, between the prescribing information and what's available from the summary basis of approval at the FDA website.
Speaker 5: About 1% of patients with ducravicitinib at the 6 mg dose had CPK elevations that were grade 4 and about 1.5% had grade 3. It's a relatively similar low percentage I think that was seen with the Nimbus-Takeda data.
Speaker 5: And all of these are very different from what you see with either Pan-Vac inhibitors like
Speaker 5: You patissed a nib or Jack one selective inhibitors like you patissed a nib. So to our way of thinking, these are just low rates of events that we've already seen, willingness of regulators to give a...
Speaker 5: clean safety label. It's so that those low rates are labeled, but they're not black box warnings and I think the data really are just consistent. The additional emerging data from my point of view are still consistent with allosteric TIK2 inhibitors being...
Speaker 5: you know highly selective different from Jack inhibitors and consistent with clean labels and we believe our product will be right in that zone for colorability.
Speaker 5: highly selective, different from JAK inhibitors and consistent with clean labels. We believe our product will be right in that zone for colorability. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Chris. Thank you. And as a reminder, that is star 1 to ask a question. And our next question will come from Sam Slutsky with LifeSci Capital. Your line is open.
Speaker 9: Hey, guys. This is Rami on for Sam. Thanks for taking our questions. First, I guess, with the NLRP3 inhibitors, can you remind us what level of IL-1 beta and IL-18 reductions you're looking for in order to see clinical benefit across the range of indications you could go after?
Speaker 9: And then secondly, what level of detail do you anticipate providing for the mid-year update regarding the extended release formulation of 958? Is it primarily safety and PK data, or is there anything else we should look out for? Let me take the extended release and I'll have Bill talk about the level of coverage we expect for the cytokines.
Speaker 8: for NLRP3. So on the ER tablet, Rami, we're quite a pretty meaningful data update at the mid-year or somewhere in the mid-year timeframe that we've talked about. You showed
Speaker 8: We've shown data for the prototypes that we've already completed. We've showed relevant, in vitro, human relevant in vitro data, which is both, as Bill said, the solution across different bio-relevant or GI-relevant.
Speaker 8: changes and also showed data from a dynamic GI model, which again is very relevant to what happens in the absorption distribution phase.
Speaker 5: Funding safety, these are short studies. We've done longer studies, obviously, in the MAD phase, so don't expect any really safety issues. We'll show you a comprehensive profile that says we can achieve IC90 coverage with a QD regimen. So that's what you will see in the mid-year timeframe. Related to the NLRP-3 inhibitors, if you recall the translational medicine phase 1 data that we shared at R&D day with the 2735 NLRP-3 inhibitors of the peripheral compound during the multiple ascending dose portion of the trial.
Speaker 5: We did a whole blood ex vivo stimulation assay at day 10, where you give LPS and ATP and then look at the ability to block IL-1 beta production. And at the higher doses, and the higher doses in MAD were 100 milligrams and then 200 milligrams.
Speaker 5: You have an alteration in NLRP3 that leads to an excess in IL-1 beta and where you can see effects of monoclonal antibodies against IL-1 beta treating that excess and resulting in disease improvement. So as I mentioned earlier, we are...
Speaker 5: for instance, treating the NLRP3 gain of function mutation caps with this. We know that's characterized by very high levels of IL-1 beta and currently treated with antibodies and we will need to abrogate IL-1 beta production to see those patients get better.
Speaker 5: And the point of that trial is to show that the complete abrogation that we saw with those higher doses in MAD in phase 1 translates into the clinic.
Speaker 5: having shown that, then you could have some confidence that, you know, you could think a variety of other diseases where randomized controlled trials have shown that IL-1 beta antibodies are effective. This would be things like...
Speaker 5: recurrent pericarditis, juvenile arthritis, adult onset stills disease. There were definitely studies that showed that acute gout achieved that. You've seen it for secondary prevention of MACE events in patients with a prior history of MI. We know that translational medicine studies have shown...
Speaker 5: high rates of expression of IL-1 beta in biopsies of patients with hadratenitis supertiva. So there's a variety of places that one could logically go once you've shown that your small molecule NLRP3 inhibitor treats an IL-1 beta driven disease.
Speaker 9: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Our next question will come from Emily Bodnar with HC Wind Riding Co. Your line is open. Your line is open.
Speaker 7: Hi there, thanks for taking the questions. I guess going back to safety for VTX958, we saw with the Nimbus molecule there were some signals of acne and viral infections. Could you maybe talk about if you expect to see the...
Speaker 7: in your phase two study. I know you didn't really see it in phase one, but it was noted with DUCRA as well. So interested to hear your thoughts there. And then maybe if you could just give your perspective on the oral psoriasis market in general, now that we're getting a lot of new mechanisms showing positive data like the recent oral IL-23 agent.
Speaker 8: on the demagogic side effects that you've seen now with the Nimbus compound and it's been seen with the Krava.
Speaker 8: And we made this very categorically clear that we do not believe these are on target. So there is no reason mechanistically that TIC 2 should manifest or an IL-23 pathway that TIC 2 is targeting.
Speaker 8: should manifest these dermatological effects, the acne and the folliculitis and other effects. So as you pointed out, this kind of magnitude of effects. And we ran.
Speaker 8: in the similar timeframe that folks have done before, the sort of 14-day phase one studies where these effects were elicited very early in these trials. So we think these are off target for both the Nimbus compound and for the dacroba sit-nib.
Speaker 8: We have speculations or ideas about potentially what may be happening, hitting some other targets that are involved in these side effects, but from our perspective, we don't expect to see these.
Speaker 8: They are not picture driven and so they're off target. I think that's the most relevant conclusion for our compound BTX958.
Speaker 8: The other question was about...
Speaker 5: about the, go ahead. Yeah, the viral infection was specifically COVID and there did seem to be a treatment, an imbalance between placebo and the treatment groups, although it wasn't very dose dependent as I recall. We don't really see that with the anti interferon alpha antibody and the.
Speaker 5: circumstance and none of the patients died or were seriously ill, as I understood it, from the infection. So I'm not too sure what to – I think it's a little premature to know what to make of that except to say that, you know, when you look at anti-interferon alpha antibody Human fac751 lived each other around 20% every 60 minutes. There is had ventimes to which a lot of patients are highways people to who build U
Speaker 5: with really complete target coverage with lupus, this is not an important issue. And there's no such signal with IL-1223 inhibition with Stelara or with IL-23 inhibition at very high antibody doses with either, you know, Trimfaya, Skyrizzi, et cetera. So...
Speaker 5: I think it's likely to be sort of a fluke of the pandemic and not go further, but time will tell. And also to note that this really, you know, hasn't been seen to any meaningful degree in the way that COVID was seen in the Takeda...
Speaker 5: Phase II study, that really wasn't seen in the Phase II and Phase III trials across multiple indications with ducravicitinib at doses that are getting up to overlapping with some of the nimbus decayed doses. And so in terms of, I see, you know.
Speaker 5: 50 and 70 coverage for the tick target. So I'm gonna guess in the fullness of time that that safety issue won't be replicated, but time will tell. So back to the newer oral IL-17s and oral IL-23s. So we're gonna take them back,
Speaker 8: Let's just take the ORL-L17 first. So, look, we had a discussion about PASI 75, we're discussing PASI 90, we're talking about PASI 100 possibilities with drugs that can achieve the coverage that we do, biologic-like coverage to talk about a drug where there was absolutely no PASI 75, I just don't think is relevant to this discussion.
Speaker 8: PR that has come out. It's
Speaker 8: It's very hard to speculate on data that we haven't seen, and we expect to see this data in the latter half of the year, and we can have a discussion just like we're having today with competitor compound. Certainly very hard to speculate on a PR.
Speaker 8: generic PR that came out. But I think more in context of the opportunities that we have.
Speaker 8: with our approach with the 958 across a broad range of autoimmune indications and perhaps a lack of opportunity for some of these newer oral IL-23. And I'd love to hear Bill's perspective on that because I think that's more important to us broadly.
Speaker 5: Today we can discuss and talk about data that we haven't seen. Bill? Yeah, so we'll need to see, as Raju said, what the data look like in psoriasis. But as I mentioned earlier, you really, to unlock the inflammatory bowel disease market, you really need to have doses that mimic a...
Speaker 5: optimally dosed IL-23 antibody and psoriasis. So doses that would give you PASSE 75s of up to 85 or 90 percent and 60 to 70 percent PASSE 90s and you know sort of 33 to 40 or 50 percent PASSE 100s.
Speaker 5: and the IBD doses are often a bit higher than that. Part of that is a couple of reasons. Antibodies, and I think peptide antagonists are gonna be the same. You're basically binding already secreted cytokine and different disease settings can give different amounts of cytokine and you can have.
Speaker 5: differences in target mediated clearance. And then you can also excrete parenterally administered drug in the gut. And this is well described that Remicade, for instance, given intravenously is lost in the stool in severe colitis and Crohn's disease. So those are reasons why you need more antibody for IBD than you need.
Speaker 5: for the optimal dose of psoriasis. So even if with the peptide antagonist, you show that you can start to get into the zone of IL-23 parenteral agents for efficacy, I would expect that, like antibodies, you'll need to go further than that to have efficacy in IBD.
Speaker 5: By contrast, with TIK2 inhibitors, they're really intracellular acting and you're eliminating the secretion of the cytokines to begin with, so you wouldn't expect to have that same target mediated clearance. And I think as you get to IC90 coverage, you should be able to effectively treat Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis. That's what we're...
Speaker 5: planning to demonstrate in our ongoing phase two trial in Crohn's disease. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Our last question will come from Alex Thompson with STPL. Your line is open. Thank you so much.
Speaker 10: Hey guys, this is Pat for Alex. Just a quick question on IL-4 receptor alpha program. If you guys could just talk about biological proof of mechanism there and what kind of benchmarks from DUPE maybe are out there that you guys are taking a look at. Thanks.
Speaker 8: Well first, truly excited about an oral agent that's similar pathway as Debixen. You saw this morning the
Speaker 8: data from the COPD trials. So, you know, it's super exciting for us to be in that pathway. We, you know, we showed, um,
Speaker 8: early data at the R&D day and when we felt comfortable that we're on our way to a really mechanistically exciting approach to how to target the L4RA antagonist.
Speaker 8: I think beyond that, I would just wait to stay tuned for, and we'll share some more data perhaps into the year, with progressing towards our...
Speaker 8: I would just wait to stay tuned for, and we'll share some more data perhaps at the end of the year, progressing towards our candidates.
Speaker 8: including showing proof of, relevant proof of concept in animal studies. The benchmarks against DUP have been all pretty validated. So initially it's a mechanistic approach, targeting four and 13. And then certainly showing some proof of mechanism data and then similar track to what we've done with all our drugs.
Speaker 8: In this case, differentiation is clear, but I think more importantly, targeting the plexin-like efficacy is gonna be the goal for this molecule. Thank you. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to.
Speaker 8: And we'd love to discuss this dialogue with you. So thank you all again, and I'll look forward to the next discussion.
Speaker 3: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's Ventix Biosciences fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call.