Q4 2022 Hudson Global Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 2: Matt Diamond. Please be advised that the statements made during the presentation include forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws. Such forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially.
Speaker 2: from those contained in the forward-looking statements.
Speaker 2: These risks are discussed in our Form 8K filed today and in other filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form 10K. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Speaker 2: During the course of this conference call, references will be made to non-GAAP terms such as consistent currency, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted earnings per diluted share. Information for these measures are included in our earnings release and quarterly slides.
Speaker 2: both posted on our website hudsonrpo.com. I encourage you to access our earnings materials at this time as they will serve as a helpful reference guide during our call. I will now turn the call over to Jeff Eberwein.
Speaker 3: Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone. We thank you for your interest in Hudson Global and for joining us today. I'll start by reviewing the fourth quarter 2022 highlights, and Matt Diamond, our CFO , will provide some additional details on our financial results.
Speaker 3: I'll then give an update on current business conditions.
Speaker 3: In the fourth quarter of 2022, we reported revenue of $44 million and adjusted net revenue of $22.2 million.
Speaker 3: SGA costs were $19.7 million in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: And we recorded adjusted EBITDA of $2.4 million, net income of $0.1 million, or 2 cents a share, and adjusted net income of 33 cents a share versus $1.02 a year ago.
Speaker 3: I'll now turn the call over to Matt Diamond, our CFO , to review our financial results by region as well as some additional financial details from the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jeff, and good morning, everyone.
Speaker 4: Revenue and adjusted net revenue for America's business decreased 12% in constant currency.
Speaker 4: Adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million decreased versus last year's adjusted EBITDA of $2.7 million.
Speaker 4: Revenue for our Asia-Pacific business decreased 7% year-over-year in constant currency, and adjusted net revenue grew 17% in constant currency.
Speaker 4: Adjusted EBITDA of 2.1 million decreased from Adjusted EBITDA of 2.4 million a year ago.
Speaker 4: Our EMEA business grew revenue 14% and adjusted net revenue 33% in constant currency.
Speaker 4: Adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 increased slightly versus a year ago. Turning to some additional financial details in the fourth quarter, we ended Q4 with $27.5 million in cash and restricted cash.
Speaker 4: Day sales outstanding was 50 days at December 2022, up from DSO of 43 days in December 2021. In connection with the acquisition of Quick Group in the fourth quarter of 2020,
Speaker 4: Karani in the fourth quarter of 2021, and Hunt and Badge in the third quarter of 2022, our balance sheet as of year-end reflects $4.9 million of goodwill and $4.5 million of net amortizable intangible assets.
Speaker 4: The company's working capital, excluding cash, decreased to $7.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 from $7.8 million at the end of 2021.
Speaker 4: As a reminder, in April 2019, we finalized a credit facility in Australia to support the expected growth in working capital needs as a result of new client wins in that market. But we had nothing drawn on this facility at the end of Q4.
Speaker 4: The company generated $4.4 million in cash flow from operations during the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: I'll now turn the call back over to Jeff to give some more perspective on our RPO business and to review current trends in our business.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Matt. In the fourth quarter of 2022, we grew adjusted net revenue 5%, as strong top-line growth in the UK and Australia was partially offset by the slowdown in the tech sector and lower hiring volumes in China.
Speaker 3: due to COVID-19 related lockdowns.
Speaker 3: Although adjusted even though it declined versus last year's fourth quarter, we were able to reduce SG&A costs by more than a million versus Q3 and can make further adjustments to our cost structure if needed.
Speaker 3: We continue to win new business and we have a very experienced team with a history of navigating different market cycles.
Speaker 3: We believe we're well positioned to respond quickly to the needs of our clients at various activity levels.
Speaker 3: Further, I'd like to emphasize that our enterprise RPO work, which now comprises approximately 80% of our business, continues to hold up very well.
Speaker 3: The remaining 20% of our business, which consists of work in the technology sector and project work, is where we have seen a significant slowdown starting in the second half of last year.
Speaker 3: Our teams have responded accordingly to these market changes to protect our profitability and position the business to respond quickly should these conditions reverse.
Speaker 3: As always, I want to thank all of our highly dedicated employees for their flexibility, hard work, and dedication to our clients and business in the challenging conditions we've been working through.
Speaker 3: Operator, can you please open the line for questions?
Speaker 2: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then 2.
Speaker 2: At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Mark Riddick with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Hi, good morning.
Speaker 5: Good morning.
Speaker 4: So I was wondering if you could bring us up to date as to maybe what you're seeing as far as the pricing environment, bill rates, pay rates, as well as I recall you were working on putting through some price increases. Maybe you could sort of give an update as to maybe what you're seeing there.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, the issue that we had in the second half of last year was all volume related. Pricing continues to be positive and we are getting continued price increases. And in general,
Speaker 3: Our pricing follows wage rates and the labor market. So if wage rates, labor rates are going up, that's a pretty good...
Speaker 3: indicator, leading indicator for our pricing trends.
Speaker 4: Okay, and then I was wondering this to be one of the things I did notice about the results was the tax rates seem to be kind of higher than maybe I was expecting. I was wondering if there was anything in particular there that we should be aware of.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a really good question Mark. It really is just a mixed issue and it's frustrating because we have such a large NOL but that NOL is only for US income and as you know we're very global and generate
Speaker 3: income around the world. So I can Q4, Q3 and Q4, we had a decline in the US.
Speaker 3: which effectively has a 0% tax rate and
Speaker 3: international grew as a percentage of total. And if you look at our 10K, when it comes out, you'll see that we pay taxes in places like Australia, UK, Hong Kong, China. And so that's why the...
Speaker 3: the effective rate.
Speaker 3: looks a little crazy. It's really because of mix.
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense. And then I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about given the – and you mentioned in your prepared remarks some of the prior acquisition activities. I was wondering if you could sort of give us an update as to maybe what you're seeing out there and what your thoughts may be as to –
Speaker 4: If anything much has changed, whether it be at the pipeline or potential valuations or maybe geographic mix attractiveness, anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, I would summarize it by saying we're always looking, but we're patient and waiting for some good opportunities to come along. There were actually quite a few acquisition possibilities that were on the market last year. A few of those...
Speaker 3: did get acquired by other people who were just willing to pay a higher valuation than we were. But quite a few of them didn't happen, didn't get done. And, you know, we're always in the market, we're always looking, we don't have to do anything, we're really looking for those situations where...
Speaker 3: A, it's a good valuation immediately created, but B, really add something to our business that maybe we don't have or is just easier to acquire than to build from scratch, whether it's
Speaker 3: in a new sector or a new geographic region, that's really what we're looking for.
Speaker 4: Great, and then I guess the last one for me, I know we've seen a lot of headlines around everything that's taking place in the tech world. I think in some prior commentary that you've made talking about how some of that have filtered from smaller companies to bigger companies, I guess, throughout the year.
Speaker 4: last year leading into this year. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about maybe what we've seen with some of the other verticals, or are there any call outs that maybe we're not seeing as much talked about that would be worthy to know about? Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say we're seeing a lot of strength in healthcare and healthcare for us is life sciences, pharmaceuticals, medical devices.
Speaker 3: other companies, other providers might focus on
Speaker 3: hospital chains and healthcare providers. That's not really what we mean when we talk about healthcare. So that's an area of particular strength, but we're also seeing some strength in select.
Speaker 3: consumer, particularly high-end, and manufacturing, industrials, there's some pockets of strength there and there's some pockets of strength in financial services. So it's really, there's a lot going on under the surface, but in general those have been...
Speaker 3: areas where we want new business, clients are continuing to hire at healthy rates.
Speaker 3: And by far the weakest sector, as we've talked about, is the technology sector. And even there were...
Speaker 3: our team is repositioned and there are a few areas where there is still some decent activity like IT services. And we're starting to see some activity with AI related companies and those are typically backed by
Speaker 3: venture capital firms, but we're seeing more and more of those startups get funded and need to partner with someone like us to help them ramp.
Speaker 4: Great, and then I'll sneak in one last one. Sorry, I wanted to see if you had any update as to maybe what you're seeing with RPO trends and receptivity given the microeconomic environment. Thanks. Yeah, it continues to be healthy. So enterprise...
Speaker 3: RPO, which is the vast bulk of what we do, had a really good year last year, and we think we'll have another good year this year. And like I mentioned just a minute ago, by far the biggest opportunities are in healthcare. And I would chalk that up to it being somewhat...
Speaker 3: independent of the economic cycle or what's going on in the banking sector. But I would also chalk it up to just kind of coming out of COVID, a lot of those companies.
Speaker 3: either want to use RPO, have an RPO solution for the first time and they've been studying it for a while. And they just were kind of on hold because of COVID, because that was such a distraction and they were dealing with that. And then another thing we're seeing is that they're unhappy with their incumbent provider because they're not able to use RPO.
Speaker 3: satisfied with their current partner.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ignacio Vernaltez with EF Hutton. Please go ahead. one
Speaker 6: Hey, good morning and thank you for your time. I'm calling on behalf of Eddie Riley. Two questions here. The first regarding the new business wins mentioned in the press release.
Speaker 3: Just curious what's driving these winds given the current macro environment? Yeah, well there's always as someone on TV says there's always a bull market somewhere and When I look at this is probably one of the more encouraging
Speaker 3: things. We've won a healthy amount of new business in the first quarter. I would estimate it at around $3 million and
Speaker 3: that number is an annualized net revenue number. It doesn't mean 3 million additional in 2023. That's one that's fully up and running what the annualized run rate is. And it's a collection of gaming, healthcare, um...
Speaker 3: We won a pretty decent size account with a specialty chemical company that focuses on clean water products, hygiene products. And so it's really just looking for where the need is and responding to that client need. I think we've all seen situations.
Speaker 3: like during COVID where a lot of sectors, a lot of countries were on pause and then coming out of COVID it was.
Speaker 3: to varying degrees, all sectors, all countries at full steam ahead. And I would just say the current environment is more mixed. There's a lot going on in some countries, some sectors, some companies. And the real epicenter of the weakness from what we see is the tech sector, particularly the West Coast of the US.
Speaker 6: wondering what your top strategic priority for the year is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question. It's really just to continue to execute well and make sure that our...
Speaker 3: And the areas where we have significantly increased our spending versus, say, four or five years ago, are the areas of sales, marketing, technology, and we continue to invest in those areas. We think it's very high ROI. And that's why we think, that's why we're seeing a pretty healthy pipeline of new business opportunities. It's because of those investments we've made. And so it's really just...
Speaker 3: making sure that those are playing out the way we expect them to, given the investment that we've laid out.
Speaker 2: That's really helpful. Thank you so much for your time today. Absolutely. Our next question comes from Mark Diship with Private Investor.
Speaker 7: Oh hi, thanks for taking my call. I have a couple of things here. First,
Speaker 7: In your, you said you've cut about a million dollars plus in SG&A. How much of that flowed through to Q4 and how much has not benefited earnings yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say we have a very flexible, just at a high level, we have a very flexible cost structure and so we can adjust fairly quickly to changes in activity levels. And the second half of last year was one of those odd...
Speaker 3: times where certain clients, certain countries, certain sectors were ramping while others were decreasing and there can be some inefficiencies in the short term as we move people around and we had situations where we're hiring in one area and reducing in another area.
Speaker 3: That usually takes a quarter or two to kind of work itself out. A very good rule of thumb is that our SG&A costs should run around 70%
Speaker 3: of adjusted net revenue. So just like if you're building a model or kind of looking at a long term forecast, that's a pretty good way to look at the business we think. So if we get.
another dollar of revenue in general, we have to add 70 cents of SG&A and that other 30 cents should drop down to the EBITDA line because we already have all the costs of being global and the overhead and different things like that. So we were just pointing out that.
revenue in general, we have to add 70 cents of SG&A and that other 30 cents should drop down to the EBITDA line because we already have all the costs of being global and the overhead and different things like that. So, you know, we were just pointing out that
you know our SG&A costs in absolute dollars declined by I think it was a little over a million dollars in Q4 versus Q3 and we can make further adjustments up or down as required by our clients and we just wanted to highlight that just to show we do have a flexible business model.
We can make adjustments pretty quickly. Sometimes it takes a quarter or two. But over time we do think that a 70% number is a good one to use in terms of SG&A as a percent of net revenue.
Okay, just looking at your numbers here from your presentation, you have adjusted net revenue for the year.
Let's see, for the quarter, you had it at about almost 20 million on adjusted net revenue of 22. 70% would be more like 15 or 16 million, I think, or something like that. Does that mean that going forward, let's see.
like in the next
couple of quarters, we could expect that SG&A number to get back to
you know, in the neighborhood of 70% of adjusted net revenue? Or am I looking at the numbers wrong?
No, I think you're looking at the numbers right. You know, it's hard to give precise guidance by quarter on something like that, but that definitely is the trend and that is where it will normalize to over time. And for example, coming out of COVID.
hiring volumes and a lot of sectors and a lot of geographies increased so quickly that I think our SG&A divided by net revenue was below 70 for a while, which is kind of an unsustainable level. So in another way our team was stretched incredibly thin and was...
working way more than kind of normal work hours. I think, you know, one other thing, if you look at the SG&A numbers, is that you have to strip out the non-recurring items. Sometimes there's some non-recurring items in the SG&A number.
And then when I look at, I mean, we stopped giving guidance during COVID and not giving guidance for the year. But when I look out for this year, Q1 is always the slowest quarter of the year. That is largely due to our significant presence in Asia Pac.
Most of Australia is at the beach in January and you have Chinese New Year and China. Hong Kong was ended the year on a very weak note and started the year on a weak note. So Q1 is almost always the weakest quarter of the year for us and I think 2023 is going to be no exception.
And then I think each quarter will show improvement versus the prior quarter. So if things go the way we think and there's no massive disruption in the economy or hiring trends or anything like that, probably the highest quarter of the year will be Q3 or Q4.
And then just the way the annualization works, you know, we entered 2022 on a really, really strong note. So we had a very strong Q1, very strong Q2, and then started seeing weakness in Q3 and further weakness in the Q4. And so the comps get much easier when you get out to like Q3. And so I think we'll be having positive year-over-year comps when you get out to Q3 and Q4. So—
So, you know, to answer your direct question, you know, very confident we'll be at that number, you know, sometime around the middle of the year, Q2 or Q3 in terms of.
70% of net revenue, SGA being 70% of net revenue. Probably be worse than that in Q1.
Okay, that's great. Thank you very much for all that.
On your, you said that tech and project revenue are the weak areas. I was wondering if you could break out, is that still 20% of revenue and can you break that out by tech versus project and give a little...
bit of thought on on whether you think Tech is anywhere near near the bottom or you think it has maybe some more weakness to come or and if you think project is
just sporadic by its nature or is it being reined in more because of economic things?
Yeah, all good questions and let me just zoom out a little bit and say our original business, our bread and butter business is Enterprise RPO.
And that is the...
that the growth
That's the highest value thing we do. It's typically three-year contracts.
with medium to larger size companies, it's usually Fortune 500 companies, most of our clients are big publicly traded companies that you've heard of. We have three other businesses we're in that we think all help funnel business to enterprise RPO. So one is the contracting work we do. That is
historically, largely just kind of a side service we offer for enterprise RPO clients. But there have been a few examples where we've led with contracting to build a relationship with the hope that it leads to enterprise RPO. And our biggest new business win in Q1 was exactly that, it was a contracting client.
that became an enterprise RPO client. So we're very, very happy about that.
And the tech sector, you know, the most of the work we do in the tech sector came from the Coit acquisition we did in late 2020. And that's a different business model. That's more recruiter on demand. It's more for pre IPO companies. It can be turned on, turned off fairly quickly.
and we might have a contract in place, like an MSA type of contract, but.
it can be ramped up or ramped down and a little bit similar for project work. So we're hoping the whole reason to do Recruit on Demand in the tax sector and to do project work is to convert that to Enterprise RPO. So I just wanted to kind of throw that out there and in terms of the numbers I think coming into 2022 a year ago.
Tech sector was really, really strong. Project work was very strong coming out of COVID. Companies needed as much help as they could possibly get. Enterprise RPO takes a long time to put in place. It takes a long time to study and kind of show people what it can do.
And there was a big need for project work. And so coming out of COVID, we saw a tremendous amount of strength in tech, a tremendous amount of strength in project work. And probably at the peak a year ago, it was probably 30% of our total. And by the end of the year, it was probably down to 15% of our total. And I would split that half tech, half project.
So right now today, Enterprise RPO is probably 80 to 85% of what we do. That's very, very steady and it's growing. And the big, big areas of weakness have been in that the tech sector and the project work.
That's very helpful. Thank you. I have a question. I've been hearing that there may be some issues with private equity in general. I just didn't know if can you speak to whether you're seeing any weakness or any talk of possible future concerns for your from your customers that are backed by private equity. Despite fundamental issues of cybersecurity, however, I think cellphone is Hellingham.
Yeah, a short version is we don't see that. You know, we don't have that many clients that are backed by a private equity firm. Most of our enterprise RPO clients, like I mentioned, are big publicly traded companies.
We do have one client, interestingly enough, and this is just an anecdote, that's owned by a PE firm. It's one of the big global PE firms and it's a European-based company.
company and they just acquired a publicly traded company and so we're going to get a lot more business because of that. So I would say the the one client that comes to mind that is PE backed is doing incredibly well and just made a huge acquisition.
And if there is a lot of weakness with PE-owned companies, we wouldn't really see that because we're not really exposed to that.
except for maybe in the tech sector where we do have exposure to PE and VC owned companies and
Like I've been talking about, that's kind of bouncing along at a really low level, and we've already seen the big decline, and that was in Q3 and Q4.
Okay, that's great. I'm almost done here. Just the last one then, thank you, is do you see, do you think this is a good time to still be considering acquisitions or are you more leery because of economic uncertainty or... Sorry I'll cut the story out. Alright...
And secondly, can you talk about how your India acquisition that you did is doing? Sure. So, you know, acquisitions are, you know, a tricky thing because it takes a willing buyer and a willing seller. And so our approach is…
from it just being the right place at the right time, really good fit, and we had a vision where one plus one equals three, where we could do that acquisition, and we were the natural owner, and we could really help accelerate their growth. So that's really the key to it. It's much more.
you know, bottom up than some macroeconomic view or trying to predict what the market's going to do, or what the economy is going to do, or what hiring volumes are going to do. In terms of the India acquisition we made last year, that was a very, very small acquisition.
We do think we got it at an attractive valuation based on their historic results. They have been impacted by the slowdown in hiring in the tech sector, but they have...
a very strong list of clients that they do business with, both in the past and currently, and we are winning new business in India. So it's really, it's a very, very small acquisition, but it positions us very well for what we think will be a great place to be for.
decades to come. So historically we haven't had any offering in India. We've had employees in India, but they're serving US clients and with that acquisition we now have an offering in India and our strategy is to work it's similar to our strategy in China where we're working for
European, US, UK, multinationals who have big operations in India. Thank you very much for all that.
European, US, UK, multinationals who have big operations in India. Thank you very much for all that. Sure.
That concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeff Eberwine for closing remarks. All good questions, thank you very much. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for your interest in Hudson Global.
Feel free to contact us anytime using the contact information in our press release or on our investor relations website. And we look forward to updating you on next quarter's call. Have a great day. Thank you for joining Hudson Global's fourth quarter conference call.