Q1 2023 Assurant Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Suzanne Shepherd, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Sustainability. You may now begin.
Speaker 3: Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We look forward to discussing our first quarter 2023 results with you today. Joining me for Assurance Conference call are Keith Demings, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Richard Jazza, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker 3: Yesterday, after the market closed, we issued a news release announcing our results for the first quarter of 2023.
Speaker 3: The relief and corresponding financial supplements are available on Assurrent.com.
Speaker 3: We'll start today's call with remarks from Keith and Richard before moving into a Q&A session.
Speaker 3: Some of the statements made today are forward-looking. Forward-looking statements are based upon our historical performance and current expectations and subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by these statements.
Speaker 3: Additional information regarding these factors can be found in yesterday's earnings release and financial supplement as well as in our SDC report.
Speaker 3: During today's call, we refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are important in evaluating the company's performance.
Speaker 3: For more details on these measures, the most comparable GAAP measures , and the reconciliation of the two, please refer to yesterday's News Relief and Financial Supply.
Speaker 4: I will now turn the call over to Keith. Thanks, Suzanne, and good morning, everyone. We're pleased by our first quarter results, which reflected better than expected performance within our global housing business and our ongoing focus on driving operating excellence across the Shuron.
Speaker 4: The actions we announced in 2022 to simplify our business and real estate portfolio, realign our organizational structure, and accelerate the deployment of digital-first experiences are beginning to yield measurable results.
Speaker 4: While early, growth savings generated from these initiatives are helping to mitigate the impact of broader macroeconomic headwinds and fund additional critical investments in innovation and our talent.
Speaker 4: This was reflected in global lifestyles results for the quarter which improved sequentially in line with our expectations.
Speaker 4: Our first quarter result also continued to demonstrate the leadership advantages of our well-diversified business portfolio and our global client base. We believe we are a well-positioned deliver on our financial objectives for 2023 and we will continue to prudently manage our capital to drive shareholder value. Looking ahead, we will maintain a steadfast focus on execution.
Speaker 4: First, by strengthening and expanding our global partnerships.
Speaker 4: Second, by driving innovation and delivering on our digital first vision to improve the customer experience.
Speaker 4: Recently, we were recognized as one of America's most innovative companies by fortune, demonstrating the importance we place on finding new ways to serve our clients, and fostering a culture of innovation and inclusion. Through consumer research and investments in emerging technologies, we developed new products and services to meaningfully enhance the consumer experience and drive competitive advantages across our key markets, including mobile, auto, and housing. We continue to strengthen our large embedded base of businesses.
Speaker 4: In global lifestyle, we work with 15 of the top 50 most valuable global brands and provide protection and services for nearly 62 million mobile subscribers with a recurring monthly subscription service. And we protect nearly 54 million automobiles across a wide range of distribution partners. Our scale supports both businesses to continue their track record of long-term growth.
Speaker 4: Our US connected living business is expected to remain a solid growth driver.
Speaker 4: Anchored by mobile device protection with marquee mobile carriers and cable operators.
Speaker 4: In addition, our trade-in business continues to be a strong contributor to overall mobile results.
Speaker 4: Our international results have begun to stabilize in line with our expectations, even as many of the factors impacting growth last year continue to persist, including foreign exchange headwinds and lower business volumes.
Speaker 4: In Europe , we benefited from expense actions previously taken, leading to improved earnings when compared to the second half of 2022.
Speaker 4: Additionally, we renewed eight key clients since the beginning of 2022, solidifying a strong foundation to support continued growth.
Speaker 4: Outside of the U.S., we focus on expanding our share with OEMs and in Latin American Europe we signed two new business partnerships in the quarter. Overall, in lifestyle, while we remain cautious in the short term given ongoing global macroeconomic uncertainty, we continue to expect modest growth for the full year. Within global housing, we've continued to simplify our focus on product lines where we have clear competitive advantages and scale.
Speaker 4: Despite higher than expected cat activity this quarter, global housing had a strong start to the year as adjusted EBITDA, excluding cats, increased 7%. In homeowners, which is primarily driven by lender placed, cop line grew 16%, both from higher policy growth and higher average-insured values and rates, partially offset by increased non-cat losses and cat re-insurance costs. Policy growth came from both new and existing clients.
Speaker 4: In Lender Placed, our ability to drive higher premiums both through our inflation guard product feature and rate actions have helped offset continued inflation impacts on claims, which remain elevated across global housing.
Speaker 4: As we consider the magnitude and pace of earnings recovery for global housing over the year, it will be important to see how ongoing loss experience improves over the next few quarters. Let's turn to our enterprise outlook and capital. Reflecting on the quarter and current market conditions, we continue to expect to grow adjusted EBITDA, excluding reportable cats by low single digits this year. Adjusted EPS growth is still expected to trail adjusted EBITDA growth, both excluding reportable cats, primarily reflecting higher annual depreciation expenses related to several strategic technologies and other
Speaker 4: later in the second quarter, but at modest levels given the ongoing market volatility.
Speaker 4: We expect the majority of share repurchases to be weighted toward the end of the year and maybe below 2022 underlying buyback activity.
Speaker 4: As we look ahead, we're focused on the continued execution of our vision to be the leading global business services provider supporting the advancement of the connected world.
Speaker 4: We believe our strong global client partnerships and our ability to innovate for more than 300 million customers will be critical to achieving our vision.
Speaker 4: I'll now turn the call over to Richard to review the first quarter results in our 2023 Outlook in greater detail. Richard? Thank you, Keith, and good morning, everyone. For the first quarter of 2023, I adjust the EBITDA, excluding reportable catastrophes, total $293 million, down $22 million, or 7% year over year, and 5% on a constant currency basis.
Speaker 4: While the results were lower than the prior year, they came in above our expectations driven by stronger global housing performance.
Speaker 4: Adjusted earnings per share, excluding reportable catastrophes, total $3 million and 49 cents for the quarter, down 12% year over year. Primarily from lower segment earnings, a higher effective tax rate compared to favorability in the prior period, and higher depreciation expense.
Speaker 4: Now let's move to segment results.
Speaker 4: Now let's move to segment results, starting with global lifestyle.
Speaker 4: The segment reported adjusted EBRA of $199 million in the first quarter, a 12% decline year over year, or a 10% decline on a constant currency basis.
Speaker 4: The decrease came from lower results in both connected living and global automotive, partially offset by higher investment income. Connected living earnings were down 15%, or 11% on a constant currency basis.
Speaker 4: from decreases in extended service contracts and weaker international results.
Speaker 4: Extended service contract results were lower due to an increase in claims costs and in particular relative to the prior year quarter which included favorable claims experience.
Speaker 4: We expect a modest level of higher cost to persist during the remainder of the year, the level of which will depend on the broader inflation trends in the market.
Speaker 4: However, we have recently implemented rate increases with several clients which should begin to flow through during the course of the year, mitigating the increase. In mobile, earnings were down as expected from softer international results, mainly nasiopacific and unfavorable foreign exchange.
Speaker 4: Trade and margins were impacted by device mix from carrier promotions and slightly lower volumes, mainly due to the discontinuation of in-store service and repair. Sequentially however, we are seeing improved mobile performance, including in the US and Europe , as results benefit from expense management and more favorable loss experience compared to trends that emerged in the second half of 2022, while declines in Japan have started to stabilize.
Speaker 4: Turning the global automotive, earnings decreased $8 million or 9%, and $5 million excluding real estate joint venture gains from the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Similar to others in the industry, the auto business was impacted by rising severity from higher parts in labor costs that contributed to elevated claims.
Speaker 4: We expect to recover a portion of the higher claims costs over time to client contract structures, though we expect elevated claims experience to persist throughout this year.
Speaker 4: The auto earnings decrease was partially offset by growth in the US across distribution channels. And although higher claims cost across auto and extended service contracts are being driven by inflation, these businesses are also benefiting from higher investment income due to higher yields.
Speaker 4: Turning to net iron premiums, fees and other income, lifestyle was up by $52 million or 3%. This growth was primarily driven by global automotive, reflecting strong, pirate-sealed sales of vehicle service contracts.
Speaker 4: Connected Living's netter and premiums fees and other income decreased 5%. This reflects an approximately $65 million dollar impact from the previously disclosed new contract structures, as well as premium declines related to mobile runoff programs.
Speaker 4: excluding these contract changes in foreign currency, connected living's revenues grew by 4%. The quarter benefited from growth in mobile subscribers in North America and higher contributions from extended service contracts.
Speaker 4: For four year 2023, we expect Monis Grove for Global Lifestyle, supported by the ongoing expansion of new and existing partnerships, particularly in connected living and accelerating expense savings throughout the year. We also expect increasing contributions from investment income. We also expect increasing contributions from investment income income.
Speaker 4: and the positive impact from the actions mentioned to address rising claims costs.
Speaker 4: In terms of net or premium fees and other income for 2023, lifestyle is still expected to grow modestly as growth in global automotive is partially offset by ongoing foreign exchange projects, including underage claimed
Speaker 4: Moving to global housing, adjusted EBITDA with $68 million, which included a $43 million increase in reportable catastrophes from severe weather and tornado events.
Speaker 4: Excluding reportable catastrophes adjusted EBITDA was $118 million, up $7 million or 7%. The stronger than expected results were driven by Homer's top line performance, mainly from lender-placed policy growth, as well as higher average insured values and premium rates. Policy growth was mainly from expanded loan portfolios.
Speaker 2: of new and existing clients.
Speaker 4: Although we do expect the client portfolio to run off our books as the year progresses.
Speaker 4: While non-CAT loss experience across all major products increased by $32 million, our performance in the core demonstrates our ability to more than offset the inflation impacts.
Speaker 4: Catastrophe re-insurance costs also increased in line with our expectations. In renters another, earnings decrease from expected higher non-cat losses, which should continue throughout the year.
Speaker 4: We are monitoring potential changes in the reinsurance market as we place the remaining third of our reinsurance program in the coming months. Currently, we anticipate the cost to increase year-over-year in line with our previous expectations. Lastly, we are not anticipating a significant improvement in lender-placed non-catashory losses until later in the year and continue to monitor the impact of inflation closely. Please also keep in mind that the second quarter tends to be a seasonally elevated period for non-cat losses.
Speaker 4: For the full year 2023, we continue to expect corporate adjusted EBITLOS to be approximately $105 million. Given the market volatility over the last quarter, I also wanted to take a moment to discuss our investment portfolio. Investments cash and cash equivalents had a value of $9.3 billion at the end of Q1. The portfolio is high quality and diversified, reflecting our conservative investment philosophy.
Speaker 4: Fixed maturity investments in cash and cash equivalents represented 86% of our total portfolio. An estimated 94% of our fixed income securities are investment grade rated.
Speaker 4: And overall, our US Regional Bank Exposure is modest. We also have commercial real estate investments across a number of investment vehicles with the overall portfolio performing well. Our assets are diversified across geographic regions and property type.
Speaker 4: with low average security size and have attractive loan to value and debt-covered servicing ratios. For example, our commercial mortgage loan portfolio represents approximately 3% of our investment portfolio with approximately 130 loans with an average loan amount of about $2.3 million.
Speaker 4: The loan portfolio is highly diversified across the US, including a variety of property classes and with office buildings representing 11% where approximately $34 million of the loan portfolio. And our real estate equity portfolio represents only 2% of our investment portfolio. It is also a diverse portfolio.
Speaker 4: with only four office assets with a $26 million book value.
Speaker 4: While certainly not risk-free, we believe our investment portfolio is relatively low risk as it relates to current macroeconomic headwinds. Turning to holding company liquidity, we ended the quarter with $383 million. In the first quarter, dividends from our operating segments totaled $112 million. During the quarter, we issued $175 million in 2016 year notes and redeemed a portion of the $225 million of senior notes.
Speaker 4: We do in 2023. We intend to redeem the balance of the notes on or prior to maturity in September . In addition to the $136 million of cash used for corporate and interest expenses, first quarter cash flows included $37 million for common stock dividends. We intend to redeem the balance of the notes on or prior to maturity in September .
Speaker 4: For the year, we expect our businesses to continue to generate meaningful cash flow, approximating 65% of segment adjusted EBITDA, including reportable catastrophe.
Speaker 4: Cash flow expectations, assume a continuation of the current macroeconomic environment, and our subject to the growth of the businesses, investment portfolio performance, and rating agency and regulatory requirements.
Speaker 4: As Keith mentioned, given our performance in the first quarter and our current expectations for cash generation, we plan to resume modest buybacks as we exit the second quarter. We will continue to monitor the macroeconomic environment and adjust accordingly. In summary, our performance in the first quarter provides us with the confidence in our full year out.
Speaker 2: Thank you. The floor is now opened for questions and at this time if you have a question or comment, please press star one on your touchstone phone. If at any point your question is answered you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star one again. We do ask the volume pose your question that you pick up your hands that provide optimal sound quality.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Your first question is coming from Tommy McJoynt from KBW. Your line is open.
Speaker 5: Morning, Tommy. Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. So the first one, with regards to your comments on the claims cost and the lifestyle business. So in the past, you've distinguished between the lifestyle partners where you hold the ultimate risk and the partners. Very dirty.
Speaker 5: where the risk ultimately goes back to the partners. Could you go into a bit more detail on the timing of how some of those unfavorable claims could weigh on earnings in the current period, but ultimately get recovered in the future period. And what is the magnitude of those swings? Just from our standpoint, should we kind of see these numbers kind of add in the flow in the numbers? Yeah, so maybe I can try to take that and then certainly Richard, feel free to add in.
Speaker 4: I'd probably point to a couple things. I'll set aside housing, which I'm sure we'll talk about later in the progress there from an inflation perspective. Nothing really to report on the mobile side, so a lot of stability in terms of the mobile business around severity, so that's come in line fairly nicely the last couple of quarters.
Speaker 4: We've signaled some pressure on the ESC, so the retail service contract side of the business. We've actually been taking rate increases with our partners, adjusting program coverages, but also putting rate in place. So we saw a little bit of pressure in the first quarter, which is continued. I'd say over the last three or four quarters or so. We expect that to moderate.
over the rest of the year, so we've taken action that will start to benefit through in terms of the urn premium this year, and hopefully that will slow down that impact over the rest of up 23. Where we are seeing a little more pressure is on the auto side. We talked about this a little bit last quarter, but certainly elevated severities in the repair shops, both in terms of parts costs and labor costs.
We're definitely seeing that come through in our performance. As you rightly suggested, we do share risk with a lot of our partners. So the vast majority of our deals are either reinsured or profit shared. So we're keeping a residual amount of that severity risk. We do recover that in a lot of cases through repricing with our clients, whether contractually.
required, which is often the case or just with the partners will work to try to achieve target loss ratios over time. So we've already started taking pricing actions. We started taking certain actions more than six months ago around the auto business and that should benefit us as we flow through. Probably more helpful in 24 than 23 will definitely still see some pressure this year in the auto results.
We do expect to see progress in auto over the balance of the year. In 23, we are seeing good growth in revenue. We're also seeing help in terms of the investment income portfolio and those are helping to offset some of the pressure on some areas.
Thanks. And then just my second question, what specifically are you seeing that's different from previously that they give you comfort to resume the buybacks, seemingly just a month or two ahead of prior plan?
And how much of that is attributed to just looking at where the stock is trading, relative to your assessment and intrinsic value? Yeah, I think, you know, as we sit here today, we've got a lot of competence in our cash flow generation as a company, the strength of the business model. And I would say the positive momentum that we've seen in the housing business.
the fact that we are seeing improving housing cost inflation indicators. We obviously had a really strong fourth quarter. That repeated in the first quarter. We're seeing some improvement in terms of inflation. And that gave us more confidence as we think about the full year outlook and our ability to deliver against that. And to your point, we're starting a little bit earlier.
but we do want to capitalize on the fact that we think our stock is attractively valued and we feel like there's a good opportunity for us to get back into the market and be more consistent with our by-back activity as we move forward.
That makes sense. Thanks, kid. Great. Thanks, Tommy. Your next question comes from the line of mark-use from tourist securities. Your line is open.
Morning, Mark. Yeah, thank you. Good morning. Morning. The Renter's Insurance Business Year and a number of renters has held up pretty well, but your revenue has dipped a little bit. Instead of a mixed shift, could you give us a little detail on that? Yes.
Yeah, sure. I would say a couple things to unpack with renters. Broadly our policy counts to your point are pretty steady over the last year. We're seeing average premium for policy pretty steady and really growth in the PMC channel. We're seeing double digit revenue growth in our PMC channel offset by some sol...
you would be roughly flat in the quarter. So I think if you take something away from renters, pretty stable, consistent performance, underlying revenue, pretty constant compared to Q4 compared to first quarter last year. We think there's opportunity to drive long-term growth within this business. The second thing we did see some favorability in the quarter from ...
NFIP where we're getting paid to administer claims on behalf of the U.S. government. That does not flow through the revenue line. It flows through as a seating fee that we receive in effectively a contra commission. So the real headline from my perspective around renters is, you know, well-positioned, steady results. The law traces are certainly normalizing in line with what we saw in the second half.
and still believe we have good long term opportunity to grow that business. Then on the connected living.
What's your assessment of the marketing or advertising the point on around 5G programs kind of feeding into your mobile device count maybe feeding into your fee income driven by the
upgrade and you know logistical operations. Are you still saying the same tempo? How do you see that play out over the coming year?
Yeah, so we certainly had a pretty high watermark in 2022 with respect to trade and activity to your point, a lot of advertising around 5G. We saw pretty consistent volumes in the first quarter, so if you strip out the impact of service and repair within that device-to-service line, trade-in volumes are pretty constant.
customers and the marketing tends to ebb and flow and very much driven by the competitive state, particularly within a domestic mobile business. The second thing I would highlight is just the strength of our device protection business in particular in the US. If you look at our top clients and we operate with, obviously, one of the major.
mobile operators, two major cable operators, picked up 84% of all net ads for post-paid customers in Q1. So our clients are growing. We're obviously participating in that growth and that will afford us opportunity to do more services and add more value over time. Thank you very much. Great. Thank you. Your next question is coming from John Barnage, Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
two major cable operators picked up 84% of all net ads for post paid customers in Q1. So our clients are growing. You know, we're obviously participating in that growth and that will afford us opportunity to do more services and add more value over time. Thank you very much. Great. Thank you. You're next question is coming from John Bonnage, Pythas Andla. Your line is open. Morning John . Morning. Thank you very much.
Morning. Appreciate the opportunity. If we could stick with the auto business, I know there's an ability to recruit part of the deficit, but it can take a number of quarters to do so. If I'm understanding that correctly, how large is the deficit and how much of that will recruitment will leak into 24? Thank you. Yeah, you know, the deficit isn't that large.
feel really good about how we're positioned in auto. We work closely with our clients on pricing. We don't require regulatory approvals to make pricing changes. So it's really just working in partnership with our clients to do that. We've been dealing with this for 20 plus years as an organization and we're very good at trying to find creative solutions with our clients to normalize results over time. And I would just add too, John , I mean, the other side of that is Keith mentioned earlier in the remarks is that we are getting investment income. So what we're seeing on the claims costs rising in auto and extended service contracts is just part of the inflationary environment prices going up, but also interest rates.
It's just a little over 3%. So a much more modest adjustment to average endured values, which obviously you'll have less of an impact on rate, but I think it's more positive in terms of the health of the broader market. Seeing inflation rates normalize is very important for...
the performance of the business and obviously trying to keep premiums manageable from a consumer perspective. So actually feel really good about what we're seeing from CoreLogic. It matches up closely with a lot of the data that we look at within our business. So, you know, feel good about how we're positioned there. And just the other thing that to that, that, John , I'm sure you're probably aware of it, but the 16% last year, that takes a number of months to roll through as the policies renew themselves and new policies come in and so forth. So...
So that does take some time, just as when the 3% comes in, you know, the first policies come in July , you know, when they renew that increase will come into place. So it's a little bit averaging as we get through the course of the year.
Yeah, it's a great point. We haven't fully written in the 16% AIVs. That'll fully write in through June and then it'll take 12 months from there to fully earns through the book. So you're still going to feel significant rate and premium growth acceleration over the course of this year, regardless of what factor goes in in July . Thank you for the answers.
Appreciate it. Great. Thank you. Next question is coming from Grace Carter. Thank you for America. Your line is open.
Thank you. Next question is coming from Grace Carter. Thank you for America. Your line is open. Morning, Grace.
Hi everyone. I was wondering just given that you said that the first quarter came in above expectations, but the guy I mentioned remains flat. I know you all called out some seasonality in housing losses in the second quarter and obviously inflationary pressure on claims across the book.
That depends what happens with interest rates as the year goes on. We did not have any real estate sales or gains in the numbers, so there's no one-offs in that area as well. We have some good PIF counts in housing, policies in force, and we did mention that we see...
A client rolling off as the year goes down, a year goes on that might temper the overall increase in policies in force. So I would say more business than usual nothing big in the first quarter to call out race.
And I think you all previously mentioned the hard market in certain states, including Florida as driving some of the growth in the housing. But is there any impact that you'll expect from the recent reforms in Florida on growth levels going forward or on margins? Maybe I'll start on that Richard and certainly you can add in. I'd say it's really early in terms of the Florida reforms. I think long term it's going to be really important for that market to improve the competitiveness and improve pricing for consumers without question. So and we are starting to see lower AOBs coming through. So that'll take time to to work through and we'll see how that emerges. But you know, do feel good about how that's positioned for the future. In terms of the hard market, I would say we certainly saw PIFCount grow in Florida last year.
So we had about 14,000 new policies over the course of the year because I would say largely the hard markets, some of it from new clients, but a good amount from the hard market. We actually saw that begin to reverse a little bit grace in the first quarter. So our PIF count in Florida actually went down a little bit and I think that's a sign of potentially more competitiveness into the marketplace. So...
We'll be monitoring that, but we're not expecting Florida to be a big driver of PIF from the hard market as we look forward in the rest of the year.
Thank you. As a reminder, if you do have a question, you may press star one on your touchstone phone at this time and your next question comes from the line of Brian Meredith from UBS. Your line is open.
Morning Brian . Yes, thank you. Morning Brian . Morning, how are you all doing? Morning. So a couple of questions here for you. The first one, you kind of described Japan starting to get a little bit better, Europe starting to get a little bit better. When do you think we could start to see some year over year growth in global covered mobile devices?
More on it and how y'all doing? Want to, so a couple of questions for you. The first one, you kind of described, you know, to tan, starting to get a little bit better, Europe should get a little bit better. When do you think we could start to see some Europe , your growth in global covered mobile devices? Connected living? Right.
Yeah, it's a great question. So let me just address Europe quickly and then I'll talk about Japan.
I'm really pleased with the progress that our teams made in Europe and we had a pretty significant turnaround in the first quarter. A tough second half of last year without question, but significantly improved results in the first quarter. A lot of that was due to the expense actions that our team took in the back half of 2022. So I think we're well positioned there and...
expect strong stable results in Europe over the course of the year. And I'd say Japan, that's been the market where we've seen some subscriber declines. Everywhere else has been relatively stable. The US historically has been growing for us, so I expect that will continue. And I'd say in Japan, a couple of things that are really important. Number one, it's a really important market for the mobile business. I think we're incredibly well positioned.
and we've made a lot of progress in that market. And that's progress around investing in local talent, capabilities, technology. We actually now have relationships with all four carriers in the Japanese market. So that creates interesting opportunities to innovate and drive growth. The subs are definitely down, quarter over quarter. And I would point to two things and give you a little bit more color on that.
One, we see slightly lower attach rates more recently. And that's mainly because customers have migrated to more affordable devices. Because of foreign exchange, devices became more expensive last fall. And we've seen a little bit lower attach on less expensive devices and older models. But nothing of concern.
And then the second thing, which is actually the bigger driver, when we launched in Japan in 2018 with our initial device protection product, it had a four-year term. So a monthly pay product for four years as opposed to an evergreen structure, and that was appropriate at the time in the Japanese market. After a couple of years, we actually moved to an evergreen product.
What you're seeing in Japan is some of that transition rolling through where some of those four-year contracts are hitting their end date and the cancellation rate plus those contracts ending is a higher number than the new ads that we're putting on the book. I would say before the end of this year that will be fully gone and then we'll be positioned in Japan for growth going forward. And to my earlier point, we expect to continue to grow US.
more revenue per client, I would say as well. Gotcha, that's helpful. And then my second question, I'm just curious, going to capital management, appreciate, you know, probably starting to buy back a little more stock in the second quarter, but given, you know, the cashflow you're expecting and given the excess capital already at the holding company, why modest, right? I mean, I understand there's a little macro uncertainty, but you've got a pretty conservative investment portfolio, as you pointed out. Cash flows look like they're pretty strong. You know, why wouldn't you take advantage of the really inexpensive valuation of your stock more aggressively at this point? Yeah, and I think, you know, I think it's as simple as we're just trying to be prudent, we're very disciplined as a company with the way we think about capital management.
we're trying to get more information just in terms of how the macro picture is going to play out, interest rates, you know whether there's going to be a recession if so when does that start to kick in. So I just think we're trying to be prudent with our thinking on that and certainly expect as we get more information to be able to deploy more capital. But Richard, please feel free to add anything else.
that there's any sort of hard landing of things. So we do take into account, for example, when Keith was talking about in the conversation we had on claims service charges, the claims cost going up, we do take into account that that could continue to go up during the year when we reinforce our outlook for the quarter. In terms of capital, really what Keith was saying is right on, is that...
You know, we're just trying to be prudent. When you look at the macroeconomic environment today and you look at the shaky, you know, what's going on in some of the inflation aspects and the fed increasing rates and the banking industry and, you know, things going on just generally, I think we're trying to be prudent and just be cautious about the steps we take.
really watching closely inflationary trends, good and bad, right? Inflationary, maybe upside if housing continues to perform well, and then obviously some pressure on auto and ESC and keeping a close eye on those two things.
Well, great. Just quickly, thanks everyone. Appreciate your time as always. We're pleased with the quarter and the strong start we've had to the year and obviously very focused on delivering on all of our commitments for 23. We'll look forward to reconnecting again for our second quarter call in August . In the meantime, please reach out to Sean and Suzanne if you have any other questions. And thanks, everybody. Have a great day. Thank you. This does include food today's Cloud Development Conference. Please disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.