Q1 2023 Pool Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the concert over to Melanie Hart, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Welcome, everyone, to our first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Our discussion, comments, and responses to questions today may include forward-looking statements, including management outlook for 2023 and future periods. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today.
Speaker 3: Information regarding the factors and variables that could cause actual results to differ from projected results are discussed in our 10K. In addition, we may make references to non-GAAP financial measures in our comments. A description and reconciliation of our non-GAAP financial measures is included in our press release and posted to our corporate website.
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Speaker 3: Peter Arvan, our President and CEO , will begin the call with his comments.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Melanie, and good morning to everyone on the call. This morning we released our first quarter results, which were adversely affected by challenging weather patterns across most of the North American market, and we were up against extremely difficult comparisons from 2022. Despite cooler and extraordinarily wetter weather across many of our years...
Speaker 4: we saw sales grow by an additional 26%, which makes a quarter over quarter comparison tough in and of itself, but especially when confronted with unprecedented weather in some of our major markets.
Speaker 4: What is encouraging though is that in the areas where the weather was normal, our business performed in line with expectations.
Speaker 4: Looking specifically at our year-round base business markets, we saw sales decline 9%. California, as you well know, saw historic amounts of rain and cooler temperatures in the quarter, which curtailed both construction and maintenance spending and led to a sales decline of 24% in this very important market.
Speaker 4: This compares with the same quarter last year where we saw sales increase by 31%. In Arizona we saw sales decline 14% as they too experienced above average rain and cooler temperatures as compared to the normal seasonal patterns and what we saw in 2022.
Speaker 4: Again, by way of comparison, for the same quarter last year, Arizona saw sales increase by 31%. Texas, which experienced a more normal weather pattern, saw sales decline 6% following a 7% gain for the same period last year, which is in line with expectations set earlier this year.
Speaker 4: same quarter last year, Arizona saw sales increase by 31%. Texas, which experienced a more normal weather pattern, saw sales decline 6% following a 7% gain for the same period last year, which is in line with expectations set earlier this year.
Speaker 4: Florida, which experienced favorable weather in the quarter, saw sales increase 7% on top of the 30% growth that we saw last year in the same quarter. Our seasonal markets, which include Canada, saw sales decrease 23%, but this compares with the 28% growth that we saw in the first quarter of 2022.
Speaker 4: As has always been true in our industry, the biggest single external variable that can impact our business is the weather. Early in the quarter, we were encouraged by the weather conditions, but that quickly changed to a headwind and became more impactful as the quarter progressed and the sales effects became more meaningful.
Speaker 4: All in, we believe that the historic weather pattern that we have seen so far this year, particularly in the western U.S., negatively impacted revenue by approximately $60 to $70 million. Typically speaking, adverse weather delays pool and outdoor living construction, which may be made up on the shoulders of the season if the weather allows.
Speaker 4: Maintenance and repair spending are mostly lost as the pools go unused during the inclement weather limiting some equipment usage which may lower or postpone repair spending and definitely curtail chemical needs. After assessing initial permit data demand for new pool construction is clearly down.
Speaker 4: The decline ranges from a high negative teens percent to over 50 percent in some markets. In total we believe the overall pool permit.
Speaker 4: is down approximately 30% so far. This is worse than we had contemplated in our previous guides, driven mostly by the weather and some additional economic headwinds.
Speaker 4: However, when comparing 4 Q2 022 levels to the first quarter of 2023, we see permits up 4%, which is encouraging.
Speaker 4: Weather, interest rates, consumer spending, and the end of COVID tailwinds all contributed to lower pool construction activity on a year-over-year basis, but we are encouraged that the sequential quarterly permit level is up. We continue to see lower end pools that typically are financed under the most pressure.
Speaker 4: as consumers grapple with the higher cost of borrowing and higher pool construction costs. We estimate that our sales into the pool construction segment are down 25%, which implies that we continue to take share, which is consistent with our past performance. Our unmatched value proposition and commitment to an unparalleled customer experience continue to make us the supplier of choice for the industry.
Speaker 4: For context, new pool construction accounts for approximately 15% of our business. Approximately 60% of the business is driven by maintenance and repair with the remaining 25% being driven by renovation and remodel.
Speaker 4: As you can see, approximately 85% of our business is driven by pools that already exist.
Speaker 4: As we had anticipated, the renovation business appears to be holding up much better than new pool construction. This is based on our estimates that our new pool construction sales are off approximately 25 percent. However, sales of key construction products that are used only in construction and renovation are down only 3 percent.
Speaker 4: which implies that renovation activity is solid.
Speaker 4: Turning to end markets, commercial swimming pool product sales, which tend to be less weather dependent, are up 12%. Base business sales to the retail channel were off 16% for the quarter, reflecting a return to more normal buying patterns as supply chains have normalized.
Speaker 4: We believe normalized supply, cooler weather, and a later spring across most of the country also delayed some shipments to the stores to align with a later start to the season and normal material availability.
Speaker 4: In Chipenny franchisee revenue is our indicator for retail sell-through. Here we saw sales increase 10% in the quarter which we believe is a good indication of the resilience of demand in markets where the weather is more typical for this time of year.
Speaker 4: Moving on to specific product categories, it should be no surprise to see that equipment sales were down 14% in the quarter, which is attributable to construction unit volume declines based on lower backlogs, unfavorable weather, and smaller and later customer early buys.
Speaker 4: As previously noted, we saw no change in pricing as all the increases in this category are holding and are expected to hold as is normal.
Speaker 4: Chemical sales in the quarter were down 11 percent, which is also expected with the cooler and wetter weather. Of note, Florida, which had favorable weather throughout the quarter, saw chemical sales increase 12 percent.
Speaker 4: Building material sales for the quarter were down 7% reflecting lower new build offset somewhat by higher renovation and remodel numbers.
Speaker 4: Let me now provide some context on Europe . We continue to see the demand in Europe remain soft. The general economic outlook that the effects of the war and again the weather have combined to create headwinds that resulted in our sales decline.
Speaker 4: in 25%. For context, last year in the first quarter, sales were up 5% as the effects of the war had yet to begin and the general economic outlook was more stable. For reference, the first quarter of 2021 saw sales increase 115%, so the two year stack is quite difficult. Turning to horizon based business results, the first quarter sales decreased 7%.
Speaker 4: with residential activities declining most prevalent in the western states offset somewhat by commercial project demand and stronger demand in Florida and Texas. Weather implications are being felt in this business as well, delaying some projects, but we are optimistic that some of this loss can be made up.
Speaker 4: Moving down the income statement let me briefly cover gross margin. We are very pleased with the 30.6% that we posted reflecting the work that we have done in this area related to mix pricing and inventory investments. Melanie will provide additional color in her prepared remarks.
Speaker 4: Operating expenses came in at 18.6% of net sales. Although this is higher than we have seen the previous two years, this is largely attributable to investments that we continue to make towards our long-term growth, inflation, and the effects of a softer weather-driven revenue quarter. As we have previously discussed, our cost model is somewhat variable, but we do not want to take structure.
Speaker 4: programs that we believe allow us to continue to provide best in class service and value for our customers and suppliers.
Speaker 4: For the quarter, we added seven new locations, two acquired and five green fields. For the balance of the year, we expect to add another five to seven.
Speaker 4: Additionally, Pinchipenny welcomes five new franchise new locations in the quarter. With respect to customer tools, Pool 360 saw online order activity decrease by only 3%, indicating deeper penetration and increased usage within our customer base.
Speaker 4: Completing the income statement, we reported operating income of $146 million, which reflects strong execution in the weather-constrained environment. It is noteworthy that although this represents a 38% decline at the shoulders of the season, it is 13% higher than what we posted in the first quarter of 2021 and significantly higher than pre-
Speaker 4: cost and availability and operating expenses.
Speaker 4: Competitive pressures and of late geopolitical events can also impact our results.
Speaker 4: Some of these we can foresee and prepare for, while others we cannot.
Speaker 4: but still have a significant short-term impact on financial results.
Speaker 4: In a typical year, it is not uncommon to be impacted by one or more of these conditions. The implications on short-term operating results vary with each, but experience tells us that the more prominent impact...
Speaker 4: are felt with significant changes in the weather which can produce immediate impacts on operating results that will vary based on the weather event, the market size, where they occur, and timing. This is nothing new and we have seen it frequently in the past.
Speaker 4: Changes in economic factors can be as significant, but generally the effects are felt more slowly across the business. In 2023, we saw significant weather impacts in two of our largest year-round markets, Arizona and California, which were most prevalent later in the quarter where the effects are more pronounced. At the same time, we saw and expected the expiration of COVID tailwinds, which favorably impacted 2011.
Speaker 4: results in the short term. We want to remind our investors that the fundamentals of this business remain unchanged over the long term. Pools and outdoor living remain highly desirable. The southern migration will continue and the resilience of our industry which is driven by the install base of pools is very much as true today as it was pre-COVID, just larger and more valuable.
Speaker 4: Flexible work from home arrangements remain in place for many pool and homeowners. The inflation that has made its way through the channel is here to stay, making the size of the industry larger, the install base of products continue to grow and age, and the opportunity to upgrade and modernize existing pools and backyards continues, and our ability to take share based on our unmatched competitive profile gets stronger every year.
Speaker 4: Taking a short-term view of the business and reacting to short-term issues like weather with structural changes or deviating from our proven strategic plan would be a disservice to our investors. We remain committed to being the best supplier in the industry. We see the value in investing in our capabilities to broaden our product and service offering that will enable us to continue share gains while remaining focused on discipline.
Speaker 4: Our installed base will continue to grow in size and value.
ACIDI creation continues. Our investment in our people and our focus on being the employer of choice is ongoing. And helping our customers grow and be more efficient is what we focus on each day and gives us the confidence that short-term issues that we see will have no bearing on the continued and long-term success of our business.
With this in mind, we have elected to lower our guidance and increase the size of our estimated range for 2023 to $14.62 to $16.12 to account for the recent challenges, but remain incredibly proud of what the team has done and very confident in the future.
I will now turn the call over to Melanie for her financial commentary. Thank you, Pete, and good morning, everyone. We have exceeded $1 billion in sales in the first quarter for the third year in a row as we continue to see the cumulative 30 to 35 percent inflation realized over the last several years remain a part of our base. Our first quarter revenue decreased of 15 percent compared to first quarter 2022 where we realized 33 percent top line growth.
and 26% base business growth and still represents a 14% increase over 2021.
Inflation is in line with our expectations and the pricing that took place at the beginning of the season on equipment remains intact. At this time we are not aware of any additional price increases to come through during the season.
Chemical inflation overall was around 4% for the quarter, with tricor pricing seeing some pressures offset by increases in other chemical product lines. First margin of 30.6% was 110 basis points less than prior year and reflects a strong margin for the first quarter from a historical comparison standpoint.
Prior year gross margin included benefits from multiple price changes amid higher levels of inflation. As expected, first quarter gross margin benefited from the sell-through of our lower-cost inventory investments made last year and also reflects the higher base we would anticipate toward our full year 2020.
longer-term guidance of 30% gross margins, which includes the continuing benefits from acquisition-related accretion.
Operating expenses increased 12.5 million or 6% over prior year.
Six costs impact our first and fourth quarters more significantly as the higher sales quarters of second and third provide us more ability to leverage non-variable costs and is also where we would typically see higher correlations to sales for volume-related expenses. During the quarter, we continue to invest in strategic projects and
that we anticipate will drive long-term growth and profitability, specifically those around our customer experience offering. Our overall costs related to facilities, freight, insurance, IT, advertising and marketing, and people have increased from a year ago, and we are focused on increasing productivity in the network.
to offset the inflationary increases we are seeing in these areas.
Therefore, limiting the total year-over-year expense dollar increases. We have also added five new locations during the quarter, which will increase our overall capacity and ability to gain market share in expanded geographic areas.
These new locations will be an initial drag on earnings and represent higher operating cost growth, but will generally be neutral to earnings in year two and generate normalized profitability by year four.
For the full year, we still plan to open the 10 new locations anticipated, as our longer-term view has not been impacted by short-term market consideration.
This is in addition to a similar number of franchise locations to be added as part of the Pinchapinny network. We realized operating margins for first quarter of 12.1%, which was consistent with the 2021 first quarter margin and a meaningful step up over the prior five years as we have become larger and more efficient.
The quarters in the Shoulders of the Season provide less of an opportunity for leverage, but the results achieved in the first quarter of 2023 are a good indication of the benefits we would expect to see longer term as we continue to leverage our scale for increased profitability.
Interest expense for the quarter increased $10.6 million over prior year as we saw our average interest rates increase from 1.5% in prior year to 4.8% for the current quarter.
We have held our debt upstanding consistent with year-end while also making $44 million in open market share repartices year-to-date.
It continued to remain under our stated target leverage ratio and have more than adequate capacity to fund our capital priorities.
Next I'll discuss our balance sheet and cash flows.
They sell that standing with 26.5 days compared to 26.4 days in 2022. Net receivables decrease consistent with overall sales changes and we continue to utilize our credit function as a valuable resource to our customers as we work with them to support their sales activity.
In this story level increases have continued to improve from third quarter 2022 when we saw supply chains and lead times normalize.
We have reduced our base business inventory growth from 43% year-over-year in third quarter 2022 to 18% in fourth quarter 2022 and again to 3% at first quarter 2023. Our focus on inventory is by sales center and by SKU, which ensures that we have optimal levels of inventory and can provide the highest level of service for our customers.
We are making progress on moving through the safety stock inventory levels we had at this same time last year and are continuing to target the end of the season as a return to normal inventory levels.
Our efforts on managing working capital are evident in the improvement in cash flows from operations of $311 million over first quarter last year. We are expecting higher payments in the second and third quarter on vendor early buy seasonal payment terms compared to last year where these programs were generally not offered.
However, full year cash flow from operations is expected to exceed $800 million.
We completed 44 million of share buybacks during the quarter and have 186 million remaining under our share repurchase program authorization.
Typically review our capital allocation plan with our board of directors at the time of our upcoming annual meeting and we'll announce any changes shortly thereafter.
We have updated our EPS guidance for the full year 2023. Our new range is $14.62 to $16.12, including the 12-cent AFU tax benefit realized to date. Our range considers the results to date and at the low end, impacts from a mild recessionary environment.
Any unfavorable weather throughout the remainder of the year or a worsening economic climate could impact our expected outlook.
We are now expecting to see sales compared to 2022 to be down mid-single digits versus a flat to down 3% from our initial guidance.
Based on current trends, it is possible that new pool construction could decline up to 30% in view of the number of permits issued year-to-date and the less available buildableburies issued during 2018-2018.
Maintenance revenue is also expected to see a 1% lower increase than previously expected from the use of less consumables stemming from the unfavorable weather in the first quarter.
Our overall expectations related to renovation and remodel activity, our horizon business, and Europe remain relatively unchanged.
We continue to pursue four to five tuck-in acquisitions for the year with a minimal impact on the current year results. We continue to pursue four to five tuck-in acquisitions for the year with a minimal impact
We completed our first acquisition of 2023 by purchasing ProWater Irrigation and Landscape Supply, adding two locations to our Horizon Network during the quarter.
Looking at the trends on base business growth last year, we saw 26 percent growth in the first quarter, followed by 10 percent growth in Q2 and Q3, and modest growth in Q4. The largest year-over-year impact is expected to be seen in the first quarter and first half.
We have one less selling day in the third quarter and for the full year compared to 2022. We continue to forecast gross profit margins for the full year in line with our longer term guidance of around 30%. Second quarter will be a difficult comparison as prior year gross margins increased 150 base points from 2021.
So we would expect the 2023 margin for second quarter to be slightly higher than the full year projection as is normal for the second quarter.
Inflationary pressures on operating costs will be partially offset by our continued efforts in capacity creation and our ability to manage variable costs.
Growth on expenses will be significantly less than the inflationary cost inputs we are challenged with. Our management teams will make decisions to manage costs while continuing to invest in valuable programs and team members that will be necessary to support our long-term growth. New volumes would allow for more field focus.
on our ongoing operational projects, such as expansion of our Priority Pick Express order programs, bin replenishment, velocity sliding, and delivery optimization.
These initiatives will increase available capacities longer term across the network without more significant capital spend.
There have not been any changes to our expectations on interest expense for the full year. We still anticipate interest expense will range from $50 to $60 million. With exceptional cash flow generation, we expect debt balances to decrease throughout the year.
We also plan to complete the transition from LIBOR to SOFR on our available rate debt agreements before the end of second quarter. This change will not materially impact our results or financial position. Our overall borrowing rate continues to benefit from the portion of our debt currently tied to fixed rate interest rate swap agreements.
Estimated weighted average share that's standing that will be applied to net income will be approximately 39.5 million shares at each remaining quarter and 39.5 million for the full year. This number was 39.4 million shares at March 31st. We will update our forecast quarterly to reflect the impact of any future share or purchases.
As we continue to focus on our four key operating priorities, our ability to integrate our ESG framework into those priorities has expanded.
We expect the benefits not only to expand our efforts around sustainability and governance, but also to assist in our capacity creation efforts as we utilize the same practices to grow our operating margins over the long term.
Our second annual corporate responsibility report will be issued during the quarter and will provide more detail on what we have accomplished. Our first quarter, 2023, reflects the transition period as we exit times of uncharacteristic growth coupled with supply chain disruptions only to navigate challenging weather and macroeconomic conditions.
while generating strong current year operating results and focusing on the long-term stable growth nature of our business. We will now begin our Q&A session.
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At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Ryan Merkel with William Blair.
You may now go ahead. Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the question. First off, can you comment on trends so far in April and specifically I'm wondering how California and Arizona if that's bouncing back at all.
Yeah, the beginning of the month of April , Ryan, the weather wasn't all that much different, but as the month has progressed, California and Arizona, we've seen improvements. On the construction side, think about it this way, between construction and renovation... We don't know what the developers expected, but boys and girls up-to-date by sea, especially
In California, if the yards are still soaked and the builders can't build, that's simply going to forestall the construction. Renovation, as long as there's a pool there, the renovation work can typically work regardless of temperature and rain. So we're seeing some improvement in that area.
As it relates to the maintenance spend, the biggest component on maintenance as you know is chemicals. Chemicals are really going to be tied to water temperature. So we're encouraged that the sun is out, temperatures are heating up, and if you look this week and next week, Arizona is going to be...
in the mid to high 90s. We like the trend and we think things are turning in our favor. Got it. That's helpful. Then you change the guidance for the year to down mid single digits. Is this what you're expecting in the second quarter? Really what I'm getting at is can we be confident that the first quarter is mostly weather versus demand falling apart.
did well and was very much in line with expectations. So, you know, we've never seen the water problems that we have in California and combine that with very cold temperatures. The same thing in Arizona. The Phoenix market has had more rain than I think they've seen in a 10-year period before they've had anything like this.
So, I would tell you that in those areas, very confident that it's weather related. If I look at the seasonal markets, it really... If you look at the quarter in total in the seasonal markets, it doesn't look terrible, but you really have to look at it in context of when the weather happened. So in the seasonal markets, the beginning of the quarter, actually the weather wasn't bad. The weather did...
And then just on the second quarter, is mid-single digits kind of the right framework or how should we think about the cadence of the year?
Yeah, so our expectations just for kind of the revenue over the year is not changed significantly from where we talked about when we gave kind of our original guidance. Although obviously we didn't have the impact of the weather on the first quarter. So from a comp standpoint, when you're just doing the comparison, the first quarter base business last year was a 26% growth and then that.
that to play out pretty similarly to that, just with the larger decline in the first half because of the weather on the birth quarter.
to play out pretty similarly to that, just with the larger decline in the first half because of the weather on the first quarter. Got it. Very helpful.
Our next question will come from Susan McLaurie with Goldman Sachs.
You may now go ahead. Thank you. Good morning everyone.
My first question is thinking a bit about the changes in the lending environment, especially as it relates to regional banks during the quarter, do you think that that's had any implications on consumers' willingness or the ability to take on new pools? And also with the projects that were delayed in the quarter because of weather, are you seeing that they're still in the backlog or...
looking at how the year was going to play out. What I would tell you is that there's a couple of common themes. One is that we have always said, at least for the last 12 months, that we're seeing pressure.
in at the lower end pools. What you have to consider with lower end pools is that the rate of financing versus cash buyers goes up significantly. Entry level pools, much more higher percentage of financing. Larger projects, much lower percentage that are financed versus paid for with cash.
So the way the year is playing out, you know, the uncertainty in the lending environment is exacerbating an already pronounced issue with entry level pools. But I don't really think it's effecting much at, you know, let's call it the mid-level and certainly not at the upper end....
Okay, that's helpful. And then can you talk a bit about the maintenance part of the business? How are you thinking of the share gains that you've seen there in the last couple of years, the mix shift that has benefited the business? Has there been any change in that in the last couple of months?
Yep, and I apologize, I didn't respond to the second part of your first question, which I'll touch on. So, your question about cancellations because of weather delays, we've not really seen that. The cancellation rate really hasn't changed. I don't think it's significant. For people that generally...
put down deposits and they were put off by the weather, had essentially already arranged their financing. It's still very early in the season, so if your pool happened 30 days, 45 days, or 60 days later than it was anticipated, I think you're still gonna have a fairly happy homeowner.
Your next question as it relates to the maintenance and share gain, you know, part of our value proposition has to do with providing an absolutely unparalleled customer experience. That has to do with the locations of our sales centers, the inventory profiles that we carry, the speed at which we're able to get people in and out of our business to not have a lot of value.
that's going to change. Full Corp has historically gained share. We typically don't give that share back. Now, we can't tell you that in individual market there may be a customer here or there. Certainly that has been part of normal operations forever, but in aggregate we believe that the share gains will continue.
Okay, that's very helpful, caller Pete. Thank you and good luck with everything. Our next question will come from David Manse with Baird. You may now go ahead. Thanks profession.
Good morning, everyone. First question is on the new 2023 top line algebra. I believe you said new construction down 30%, maintenance down one, renovation down 10 to 15. And I didn't catch what you said on green. Could you just make sure I have those numbers right?
Yeah, so for the Horizon business we didn't make any changes within our top line assumptions to what we had put out at the beginning of the year. So that will stay at a decline of 5 to 10% is the range on the green business. Any other numbers we write.
Well, and the only thing just to mention, on the maintenance side, that was the volume related versus our expectation on inflation still remains around 4% for the full year.
Okay, 4% for the year. And on that 30% decline in new pools, is that revenues or volumes? It seems like you're implying that with the bottom end dropping out that ASPs could actually be higher.
Yeah, I think... So we think that the industry, and again, it's still very, very early to call the year, right? Because what we saw last year was declining permits sequentially quarter over quarter. And as I mentioned, the permits from fourth quarter to first quarter have actually improved.
So, you know, today I would tell you that permit activity implies a 30% decline. I think what I also mentioned is that we have our own internal measurement, which is what our sales are into that channel by looking at specific products that are used only in new pool construction.
I think that our performance is better than the market. And I think, so the market, permit data today would show minus 30 and I think our performance as we measure it in new pool construction would be minus 25. And yes, if the number of, if you look in aggregate, the number of pools...
And then second on SG&A, it seems like what you're saying is in a declining top-line environment, you hope to offset the investments that you're making with your capacity creation and efficiency efforts.
Is that to say that you're budgeting SG&A dollars to be flat for the year? So the SG&A dollars will follow volumes so kind of within a range it could be you know you could look at it as kind of you know negative two to plus two compared to last year depending upon where the top line falls.
The key to that is when you look at first quarter, we talked about some of the activities that we had related to some of our customer events and our investments in our full 360 technology and some advertising and marketing things that we've been focused on. And really first quarter gives us the ability to manage those special projects from a strategic standpoint.
that the expense growth when you look at kind of a 6% in first quarter going down to something significantly less than that for the full year that we would see that leverage come through in the second and third quarters.
Makes sense. Thank you. Our next question will come from Joe Ehlersmeyer with Deutsche Bank.
You may now go ahead. Yeah, thanks for the question guys. So I think I caught, I heard you say 60 to 70 million impact from the weather in the quarter and if we take that out of the base business decline you're still down sort of around 11% and I think
before you had said mid singles to high singles was your expectation for the decline in the quarter. Is there a way to bridge the rest of that gap or am I thinking about that incorrectly? So what are you starting with the basis is when it's also going to be impacted by the new pool construction side as well.
And then we also had the early buys where last year's first quarter benefited about 2% from early buys.
Incorporating this decline in the first quarter and your update to the full year, it looks like really only about a point of growth comes out of the remaining three quarters. Is that also sort of the right way to think about the update in light of what you did in the first quarter? So, yeah, we're thinking kind of the top level of our...
Our next question will come from Andrew Carter with Steve-O.
You may. Yes Hey, Thank you. Good morning ask. I didn't catch it. If you gave a product inflation number for the quarter, have your expectations? Are they the same as before? On that, I know you said equipment pricing. What about chemical pricing? What are you seeing there and how does kind of the chemical in that down? 11%.
in the quarter break out between price and volume. Thanks. So inflation overall for the quarter was a little bit higher than the 4% that we were expecting for the year because we did have some carryover when you're doing just a comparison first quarter over first quarter. So I would say 4-5% total inflation for the quarter.
With that, the equipment is on the higher end. Inflation for chemicals actually winds up right around four. So when you look at the negative 11, it's plus four for inflation and negative 15 for volumes as it relates to the weather. But our overall expectation for the year on inflation is still going to be about four, so we'll catch a little bit higher at the beginning of the year.
And then as we get to fourth quarter, we'll see that moderate from a comparison standpoint. Built into that 4% on the chemicals, we are seeing some pressures on the Tricor, but that is being offset and really offset to the positive because we saw the 4% for the year, or for the quarter, excuse me, on other product categories.
Got it. And with some pressure on trichloro I know that the initial guidance did contemplate the packaging initiatives from porpoise coming online, offsetting that. Is that still the case in terms of that or do you expect greater productivity from that side or and do you have any worry about where chemical deflation could go on trichloro?
blending what Porpoise does for us or the Suncoast does for us with what we're purchasing in the open market. So as a blend together, I think we're better off than if we were buying everything in the open market. What I would tell you is that the Tricloric pricing...
Part of it is a function of supply and demand in that there was a lot of trichloride that came into the market towards the back half of last year. And as that inventory sells through, then what you're going to see is some deflation on the trichloride pricing. But as Melanie said, the important part is that being offset.
with Cal-Hypo and bleach pricing and the other balancers. So I don't know that our thinking is all that much different on chemicals, it really is in line with what we had contemplated at the beginning of the year. You know the industry had more product on the ground.
I'll pass it on. Our next question will come from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. You may now go ahead. Thanks very much. Good morning. Could you just comment on Florida and Texas as well?
Just Florida seemingly better than we would have expected on the good weather. How much do you read into that in your overall takeaway? I know it's early in the year, but do you extrapolate that at all to other markets if we have a good weather year throughout the rest of the year? Yeah, I think it's a function of the install base continues to grow. We're happy with that.
the entire southeast was also in very good shape and in line with expectations. And if I look at Texas, you know, again, I think we cited the business in Texas was down 6% or so, and that was after being up 7% last year. So again, the market, you know, the market really hasn't changed. What does change is people's ability to work.
on construction projects in particular, and what does change is the amount of maintenance that is necessary. Now, you know, when there is a significant amount of rain, certainly when the rain stops, there's a... At times, there's a bit more chemical that is required, but frankly, that happens more during the warm part of the year because it has to do with water temperature. So if you have water temperatures in Texas, for instance, they were...
A month ago, they were basically in the high 50s. Water temperature in the high 50s, whether it rains a lot or not, doesn't require a lot of chemicals. We think that the markets are behaving as we would expect. I don't think we're reading into it and saying, hey, it's going to be...there's significant growth coming. I think we're looking at saying that the maintenance business...
It's going to be in line with the installed base and accented or influenced by weather. And construction is going to be a function of demand in new pool construction and the buildable days to do it and the offset really, which again we contemplated, is the renovation business that has been good.
Great, thank you. On inventory management, could you just speak to how you're starting the year there? It sounds like it is exactly where you want to be, but just maybe some discussion about how that's being managed. What was ordered early in the season? Maybe where you want it to be?
And will we continue to see inventory declines at the pace you previously expected? And what should that pace look like? Thanks. We were very pleased with our ability to be able to right-size inventory in the first quarter. It did increase from year-end, but that is very typical from a seasonal standpoint, and we want to make sure that all of the sales centers are stocked up for the season.
If you go back and look at it historically, the dollar amount of what we increased from year end to first quarter was significantly less than what we would have normally needed to do because of the inventory that we had on hand. So from a management standpoint, we have corporate resources that look at that and evaluate.
what we have on hand by sales center, as well as also local resources in each of the markets that are responsible for the the management of the overall inventory levels. So, you know, we are definitely pleased with the progress that we've made. When you look at the dollar increase this year first quarter compared to last year first quarter,
and you look at it by product line, we are really exactly where we wanna be. The two areas where we have more inventory this year versus last year is on controls and variable speed pumps. And that's because we were still short in first quarter on those two particular product lines. So we've made really good progress. As we get through the second quarter, we will continue to bring that down from both a number and a growth.
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I appreciate that, Cara. Thanks. Our next question will come from Trey Grooms with Stevens. You may now go ahead.
Hey, good morning. So, I think you mentioned modest growth in the second half. It's kind of in the expectations. If you could, maybe give a little color around what you guys are seeing there that maybe gives you some confidence in seeing that.
You know, back half, you know, improve some versus first half, you know, excluding weather. So, you know, kind of the puts and takes there for the second half top line. And clearly your comps get easier in 4Q, but still pretty tough in 3Q. Just wanted to understand the driver, you know, behind your expectations there. Yeah, mostly it is going to be focused on the comps when you're looking at it. So we would expect.
certainly will get easier on the new construction side. We did see that the remodel activity did remain very strong in the fourth quarter of last year, kind of offsetting some of that on the new full construction side. So I think it's going to be comps, it's also going to be weather in the seasonal markets, the biggest thing that will impact us.
in fourth quarter, similar to first quarter, is going to be how favorable the weather is, and if the season kind of extends out and our customers are able to continue to work.
It sounds like you guys are still gaining share in some of these harder hit, what you pointed out, California. Are you seeing similar share gains in other hard hit markets, maybe like Arizona? And then just as a point of clarity, kind of back to the guide, I know your prior guide
work and frankly investment that the business is making and very talented people that provide an unparalleled service. So I'm very comfortable that our ability to gain share because if I look at it you know really across across the country we can see it in virtually every market that that we
The guide, any share gains in that down mid-singles?
Nothing significant at this point. We want to be cautious as we see what the weather looks like in second quarter.
Nothing significant at this point. We want to be cautious as we see what the weather looks like in second quarter. Thanks for taking the questions. Very helpful.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Garak Shmoyz with Loop Capital. You may now go ahead. Hi, this is Garak Shmoyz, and welcome to Loop Capital.
Oh hi, thanks for having me on. I wanted to ask first on operating expense in the first quarter just hoping you can provide how much of the increase was driven by some of the things you had previously called out like the rent and facility cost inflation versus the marketing expense in the first quarter versus the lower fixed cost leverage that you saw on the weaker volumes.
Yes, so the rent increases that we saw are not going away. So, you know, that is something as we go out through the rest of the year. We did see some incremental rent increases from the new locations that we opened in the quarter, but the inflationary increases in rent are, you know, will continue through the rest of the year for the both parts. So we have renewal kind of throughout the year, but really no changes in expectations.
So the increase there year over year does, from a percentage of expense to revenue, does impact the first and fourth quarter more significantly. So that will not go away. What we did see in first quarter is we did focus very much on some activities that we did with our customers. So there were a couple million dollars of expenses related to some customer facing activities.
as well as a couple million dollars of incremental investments in some of the other projects that we're working on to be able to expand capacity in some of our operating initiatives as well. Got it.
The follow-up question is just on the maintenance revenue guidance going from flat to down one. It's not that big of a change, but I just want to confirm that it was primarily weather. Are you seeing any change in customer behavior on maintenance given the choppier macro at all?
Yeah, no, it really is a function of weather. As we've said many times, one of the best parts about our industry is that the maintenance is really non-discretionary. You have to move the water filter to water and treat the water. And again, it has to do with the amount of precipitation and the water temperature and how much the pools are used. Obviously, if the weather is cooler...
and it's raining, people aren't using it, and that's going to curtail some of the maintenance spend. So, you know, we're very comfortable that the maintenance spending is really a function of the size of the installed base and the implications of the weather and how much the pools are used and the chemical load that would be associated with that.
Thanks again. Thanks. You're welcome. Our next question will come from Steve Volkman with Jefferies. You may now go ahead. cracking news
Great. Good morning, guys. Still morning, I guess. Thanks for fitting me in here. Just a couple of cleanups for me, if I could. I know this is not going to be scientific, Peter, but I'm wondering if you have a view of where we are with backlogs, because we've talked about that in some previous calls, backlogs on new and refurbishment projects. Yeah. As you can imagine, we spend a great deal of time talking to our customers.
and you're 100% right, it's not scientific. So a year ago, I was comfortably telling you that many of the builders are booked out through the end of the year. I would tell you now, depending on the type of builder in the part of the country, I've heard backlogs of two months to six months tends to be...
much more common. Two months related to the lower end pools, right, there's certainly more capacity there and depending on what part of the country you're in of course and at the at the upper end, so your high quality builders that build the very large projects they were and are and remain in very high demand so their backlogs really haven't changed much at all, right, so most of them are booked out for the season for the high end guys.
challenging pool for them to sell right now is the price point pool. The family that is going to have to stretch is going to have to be where there's a higher degree of financing so the lending costs play a bigger role in whether that project is affordable or not. I would tell you that similar to what we started to see last year, the
Okay, sorry, and just to push that, is it like 50-50? Is that the way to think about the high and low-end mix normally or something different?
that is it like 50-50? Is that the way to think about the high and low end mix normally or something different?
I would tell you that I think it's probably, at the lower end, it's probably a little more than 50-50. I would tell you that the lower end is probably in very unscientific numbers, Steve. I guess I would tell you it's probably in the 60-65% would be at the lower end. Got it. Okay. We won't hold you to it. I'm just trying to understand. Thank you.
That's right on. That's the way I would think about it as well. Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you.
Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question will come from Sean Hallman with Bank of America. You may now go ahead.
Hi, guys. Just one question from me. So you mentioned that there was a 2% headwind from lower early buy activity. Do you have any feedback from the dealers on what drove that slowdown? Is that weather-related? Is it weaker expectations coming into the year or anything to do with inventory levels at the dealers?
I think it's a combination of things, right? I would tell you that dealers now realize that the supply chains have essentially returned to normal for almost all items. So whereas a year ago they were saying, I need to get my order in, I need to have product because when the season opens and pools are being used and my phone is blowing up, I need to have product.
Now, you know, we've assured them that, hey, I have inventory, there's plenty of inventory in the channel. So they've said, okay, I don't need to take that product in earlier. So a portion of it is supply chain related. A portion of it is a later start to the season, right? So if the... I would tell you if you were to survey dealers in the seasonal markets, they essentially in the last week or so have just started opening.
I think that's a portion of it. You know, as far as your comment on inventory, some people have called that shadow inventory. Again, I think it really depends. In aggregate, I don't think it's a very large number because if you look in aggregate, most of our customers don't have the ability to store a lot of products. Might there be?
a little more product left over in the system from last season if they knocked off earlier? And the answer to that is maybe, but we don't view that as a significant amount of product. The early buy headwind I think has more to do with product availability and timing of when the season starts.
And the reason I would tell you that is if you look at the markets like Florida and Texas...
To me, it's illogical to think that there was more or less, you know, shadow inventory in those markets or that the early buys were significantly different. I really think it's a function of when I need product to use and whether product is available.
Okay, thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Peter Arlin, President and CEO , for any closing remarks. Yes, thank you all for your continued support and we look forward to discussing our second time.