Q1 2023 Dine Brands Global Inc. Earnings Call
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Speaker 3: This morning's call will include remarks from John Payton, CEO , and Vance Chang, CFO . And as discussed last call, Tony Moralejo, President of Applebee's, and Jay Johns, President of IHOP, will be available following those remarks to address questions from the investment community in the Q&A portion of the call.
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Speaker 3: which are detailed in today's press release and 10Q filing. The forward-looking statements are as of today, and we assume no obligation to update or supplement these statements.
Speaker 3: We may also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which are described in our press release and also available on dine brands investor relations website. For calendar planning purposes, we are tentatively scheduling the release of our 2nd quarter 2023 earnings after the market close on Wednesday, August 2nd.
Speaker 3: with a call the following day before the market opens. With that, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Dine CEO , John Payton.
Speaker 4: Thanks Brett and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us for our first quarter earnings call. In Q1, we delivered a solid financial performance despite the challenging and dynamic economic environment. This is thanks to the focus and execution of our outstanding team members at Dine, our terrific franchisees and their restaurant teams.
Speaker 4: This morning's discussion focuses on our financial results, our strategy, and expectations. I'll provide perspective on our business performance and highlights or Applebee's and IHOP, followed by some color on Fuzzies and our international operations, and Vance will provide a more detailed analysis of the macro environment and our financial results.
Speaker 4: And now Q1, our performance during the quarter demonstrated the stability of our asset light model. Q1 marked Applebee's ninth and IHOP's eighth consecutive quarter of positive comp sales, increasing 6.1% and 8.7% respectively.
Speaker 4: Q1 consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $66.3 million compared to $65.2 million for the same quarter in 2022. And we opened 21 gross new restaurants globally, demonstrating our franchisees' belief in our brands and their appetite for development. In the quarter, we completed a $500 million refinancing of our senior secured notes.
Speaker 4: signs that pre-COVID dining patterns are beginning to return. However, the situation remains somewhat unpredictable. And accordingly, we're keeping a close eye on three key areas, guest behavior, commodities, and labor. And let me share a little bit more on each of these. First, the guest. Like others in the industry, in late Q1, we started to see signs that economic concerns
Speaker 4: may be impacting what has been a very resilient guest, and therefore we're closely monitoring traffic and price sensitivity patterns. One trend that we have noticed is that American consumers are becoming more discerning about the value they expect, not just in terms of price, but also in terms of factors like cleanliness, speed of service, and convenience.
Speaker 4: The key to success now more than ever is the on-premise guest experience and our franchisees and their teams are focused on delivering outstanding experiences which helps us to earn and keep guests loyalty and trust.
Speaker 4: Next is commodities. We expect to see cost of goods prices continue to moderate as the year progresses.
Speaker 4: Q1 improvement was driven by easing in cost of coffee, eggs, and poultry, although wheat and beef remain elevated. We expect cost easing to be more prominent in the second half of the year based upon our proprietary data and analysis. Science, scale, and relationships with our suppliers continue to serve as a tool to help our franchisees address these cost pressures.
Speaker 4: and find the best possible prices. And third is labor. Based upon information from our franchisees, Q1 staffing levels continue to improve while filling late night hours remains challenged. For the first time since 2019, however, franchisees on average are seeing revenue rise at a rate that offsets increases in labor costs.
Speaker 4: At the same time that we are addressing near-term challenges, we continue to invest in three key initiatives to drive long-term growth. These include providing superior guest experiences through menu and technology innovation, attracting new and returning guests through engaging in relevant marketing and loyalty strategies, and third investing in our future by expanding the global footprint of our brands.
Speaker 4: So with that, I'll speak specifically about Applebee's.
Speaker 4: Applebee's results were driven by the brand's Q1 success in offering innovative promotions and abundant value programs for our guests.
Speaker 4: This is helping the brand to sustain stales and our overall consumer guest appeal.
Speaker 4: We recently completed an extensive research effort to update our understanding of our Applebee's guest profile, and we learned that we are now serving more of the coveted 18 to 34 year old guests versus pre-pandemic, as well as more guests with children. We're seeing more higher income guests than in 2019 in the $100,000 plus household income category.
Speaker 4: We kicked off 2023 with value platforms and guest favorites, including two for $25 offers of two entrees and a full-size appetizer. All-you-can-eat boneless wings, riblets, and shrimp, a great example of our ability to showcase abundant value that drives traffic. Finally, our guest favorite beverages, the muchos, like tipsy cubit and date night daiquiri.
Speaker 4: relevant promotions, menu innovation, and affordable dining options drives Applebee's continued number one ranking across key industry consumer metrics such as convenience and variety according to our proprietary third-party tracker.
Speaker 4: Brand awareness also remains at an all time high. This is marked by our leadership against peers in such categories as affordability and menu variety. Shifting to development, Tony brings tremendous expertise to the Applebee's brand. In this regard, he knows what it takes to entice franchisees to invest in new or converted restaurants. And under Tony's leadership in Q1, Applebee's launched a financial development.
Speaker 4: year and on February 28th we also celebrated IHOP's National Pancake Day, a day we embrace every year. On that one day, IHOP restaurants served nearly a million pancakes in addition to providing guests with the opportunity to earn loyalty rewards through an international bank of pancakes program.
Speaker 4: In March, the brand previewed its new sweet and savory crepes. This menu innovation leveraged an IHOP breakfast favorite, freshly made crepes and new flavors for breakfast as well as lunch and dinner. Crepes were the first of several menu items that continued to launch during Q2.
Speaker 4: Once the new core menu is rolled out in its entirety, it will be IHOP's largest menu innovation in a decade. We'll share more details about the complete menu program next quarter.
Speaker 4: IHOP's development plans are also progressing. We added 19 new IHOP restaurants globally during the first quarter. And as was noted last quarter, some of those openings are rolling over from 2022 into Q1, which is why the development number is higher than usual for the first quarter. Like Applebee's, IHOP also introduced a financial incentive.
Speaker 4: to accelerate development in 2024 and beyond. Now I'll provide an update on four key IHOP innovations that are intended to drive growth. First, the Loyalty Program, which is a key engagement opportunity for us, and we're pleased with its evolution so far. Sign-ups continue to grow. We've enrolled 5.5 million members in the first year.
Speaker 4: and those members represent roughly 5% of sales. We're also seeing more than 8,000 downloads of our app per day, and this is a 3X increase following the launch of the app in the loyalty program.
Speaker 4: Loyalty allows us to unlock more opportunities to engage with and better understand our guests through target promotion to highlight value and elevated in-restron experiences.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, the program drives frequency, share of wallet, and average check.
Speaker 4: Second, as reported last quarter, IHOP entered into licensing agreements to create IHOP branded breakfast cereal and IHOP branded coffee. These products are now available in literally thousands of stores nationwide. And these retail products increase brand exposure outside the four walls of the restaurant. They help drive organic traffic and deepen loyalty for IHOP.
Speaker 4: And importantly, a percentage of all revenues will be designated for national advertising via the National Advertising Fund. Third, during the quarter, IHOP introduced two more virtual brands. The first is TenderFix by actor Noah Schnapp, a chicken tender concept with meat and plant-based options. The second is Pardon My Cheesesteak.
Speaker 4: partnership with the sports podcast Pardon My Take and is as its name suggests a cheese steak concept.
Speaker 4: These two new virtual brands are already in over 500 IHOP restaurants and quickly became among our virtual brand top performers. We remain bullish on the opportunity virtual brands present. Finally, we continue to invest in new technology that drives efficiency for our franchisees and a more seamless experience for our guests. For example, IHOP's new point of sale system is now in over 50% of the sales system. We are now in over 50% of the sales system.
Speaker 4: through integration activities across HR, finance, tech, QA, marketing and operations. And in addition to the 125 new unit pipeline that we inherited, we're now leveraging Dine's scale to support the brand's expansion. We're seeing interest from existing Hi-Hop and Applebee's franchisees, and have already set up a number of exploratory meetings. Fuzzies is leaning into its roots.
Speaker 4: It just kicked off its Baja branding initiative, which serves as a point of differentiation from other fast casual taco brands and will activate all elements of the guest experience such as store design, menu, and other branded touch points. We're also encouraged by the metrics we're seeing from the Fuzzy's loyalty program. With over 500,000 active members, we see around the world what has formed on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Fuzzy's loyalty guests visit more often and have a higher check than non-loyalty guests. As we continue to integrate Fuzzy's, we look forward to sharing more on its plans and progress in coming quarters. And finally, International continues to be a growth engine for Dine as we work with franchisees to strengthen and grow the Applebee's and IHOP brands in four key regions. Puerto Rico in the Caribbean, Mexico, the Middle East, and Canada.
Speaker 4: At the end of the first quarter we had 217 IHOP and Applebee's restaurants and 56 Ghost Kitchen locations in 16 countries and two U.S. territories.
Speaker 4: An example of recent successes internationally include a fantastic grand opening in Dubai of the first dual-brand Applebee's IHOP location in the Middle East and our most recent IHOP opening in Nassau, the Bahamas, in early April resulting in our highest sales opening on record reaching $135,000 in sales in its first week.
Speaker 4: Now before I turn the call over to advance, I want to touch on our commitment to do good. Our upcoming 2022 ESG report reiterates our commitment to four critical areas of our business, people, planet, food and governance.
Speaker 4: The report will highlight the progress we're making and what lies ahead, especially to the ways in which we affect the communities and neighborhoods we serve, including economic opportunity, climate change, and nutrition. Additional updates and progress can be found in our ESG report, which is scheduled to be released later this week.
Speaker 4: And so now, Vance will join us to talk about our financial performance in more detail.
Speaker 4: Thank you, John . As you just heard, our brands are performing well and our comp sales continue to grow year over year.
Speaker 4: I want to begin with an update on our fundamentals before I provide a little color on the successfully completed refinancing of our H1 debt. On the top line, consolidated total revenues, excluding the refranchised Applebee's restaurants increased 11% in Q1 versus the prior year to $211 million.
Speaker 5: Total revenues reflected solid franchise revenues, which grew 12% to $180 million compared to $161 million for the same quarter of 2022. The improvement was due to a strong comp sales growth at both brands.
Speaker 5: and the inclusion of the first full quarter of Fuzzy's Taco Shop. Excluding advertising revenues, franchise revenues increased 14%. Rental segment revenues for the first quarter of 2023 improved by 11% to $32 million, compared to nearly $29 million for the same quarter of 2022. The rental segment margin increased from the prior year primarily due to lease bonds, and the
Speaker 5: offset by our three Fuzzies company-operated restaurants.
Speaker 5: General and administrative expenses increased nearly $10 million, or 23%, to $51 million in Q1 of 2023 from $41.5 million in Q1 of 2022. Excluding one-time items, G&A was $49 million in this quarter. The increase was primarily due to our active investments in personnel costs, and our
Speaker 5: professional services, occupancy, and system maintenance costs. Adjust the EBITDA for Q1 of 2023 increase to $66.4 million from $65.2 million in Q1 of 2022, resulting from an increase in gross profit offset by an increase in G&A expenses.
Speaker 5: Adjusted diluted EPS for the first quarter of 2023 was $1.97 compared to adjusted EPS of $1.54 for the same period of 2022. Turning to the statement of cash flows.
Speaker 5: We had adjusted free cash flow of $2.3 million for the first quarter of 2023, compared to outflow of $10 million for the same quarter of last year, driven primarily by cash from operations partially offset by an increase in cat-packs. Cash provided from operations for the first quarter of 2023 was $16 million compared to cash used in operations.
Speaker 5: of nearly $8 million for the same period of 2022. The variance in operating cash flow was primarily due to a favorable change in working capital, resulting from a decrease in bonus payments and the timing of disbursements. CapEx for the first quarter of 2023 was $60 million compared to roughly $5 million for the same quarter of 2022.
Speaker 5: We finished the first quarter with total unrestricted cash of $182 million. This compares to unrestricted cash of $270 million at the end of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: Our current cash balances reflect the busy last 12 months of capital usage.
Speaker 5: We utilize our balance sheet and the borrowing capacity available under our credit facility to invest for the future and complete our Fuzzy's acquisition in Q4. We return $21 million of capital to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases in the quarter while concurrently lowering our debt balance.
Speaker 5: This is a testament to Dine's cash generation ability and our disciplined approach and capital allocation to generate value for shareholders. We also utilized our liquidity in the quarter and opportunistically we purchased nearly $70 million of debt at a discount, which was on top of the $40 million from Q4 that we bought back. We were very pleased with our refinancing transaction based on strong demand interest from our bond investors.
Speaker 5: It speaks to the strength of our steady and strong cash flow generation of franchise or model in today's environment.
Speaker 5: Turning to Applebee's performance, Q1 represented Applebee's 9th consecutive quarter of positive comp sales growth.
Speaker 5: The continued improvement results in Q1 average weekly sales of approximately $56,800 per restaurant, with the volume split of 23% by off-premise sales of which 11% from to go and 12% from delivery.
Speaker 5: For IHOP, this marked the 8th consecutive quarter of positive comm sales growth, with average weekly sales of approximately $38,200 per restaurant.
Speaker 5: our off-premise business was 22% of sales with 14% makes for delivery and 8% from to-go.
Speaker 5: Our franchisees continue to deal with commodity inflationary pressures. These cost tensions remain more prevalent in items like beef and grain prices, as John mentioned. Applebee's experienced roughly 3% unfavorable pricing in Q1, compared with 11% in Q4, while IHOP costs were 11% higher year-over-year, down from 20% in Q4.
Speaker 5: Pricing increases on certain essential commodities such as coffee, eggs, and poultry have dropped significantly. Our brands are currently price contracted at similar levels as last year, helping to meet our current needs, but with the flexibility to benefit if inflationary pressures continue to recede.
Speaker 5: We are holding our commodity pricing outlook for the rest of the year in the low to mid single digits, with most inflationary costs easing to occur in the second half of the year.
Speaker 5: We're encouraged by our performance in the first quarter and remain confident in our ability to deliver on our 2023 financial guidance, but with the current macro uncertainty, we're taking the more prudent approach and are leaving our outlook unchanged across all metrics despite the strong Q1 performance.
Speaker 5: Along with executing on our strategies to deliver results and invest in our business, we are equally focused on managing our balance sheet and returning cash to our shareholders. We believe we are well positioned to leverage our cash flow generation ability to drive long-term growth.
Speaker 4: So now I will hand the call back to John for some quick remarks before we open it up for Q&A. John . Thanks Vance. As we look ahead, we will continue to actively support our franchisees to mitigate the impact of an increasingly uncertain environment. We'll make ongoing investments in our brands and ensure they remain visible and relevant for guests seeking assurances of quality and value.
Speaker 4: Our system is focused, nimble, and steadfast in the execution of our plans to accelerate growth and profitability for the benefit of our shareholders and franchisees as we work to deliver on our 2023 guidance. And so now I'll hand the call back to the operator. As a reminder, Jay and Tony are both on the line along with me and Vance, and we're all here to answer your questions. So operator, please open the queue and we'll begin Q&A.
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Speaker 2: Our first question comes from Eric Gonzalez of Quebec. Your line is open.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks. Good morning. You said in the prepared remarks that you're seeing signs of economic concerns that are impacting the guests. I'm wondering if you can give us more specifics on what you're seeing to warrant that comment. And perhaps you can comment on how Combs trended the first quarter, what you saw as you exited the first quarter and how trends, how the brands were formed in April . So hey Eric, it's John .
Speaker 4: allude to the fact that we see what's happening in the economy overall. We see the increased reporting over recession and we see the increased reporting over consumer sentiment. And we look at the industry in general. But in that context, we have reiterated our guidance for the full year based upon the fact that we're seeing a lot of the financial crisis that's been going on in the last few years.
Speaker 4: what we're seeing in our business and what's being reported by our franchisees. Okay, fair enough. My second question is just congrats on the securitization transaction. I'm wondering if you can give more details on the financial impact and maybe if you're able to provide a guidance range for interest expense, perhaps speak to what the EPS-DRAG will be on an annual basis.
Speaker 5: Sure, that's a great question for Van. Yeah, so Eric, so you know the refi as we announced is you know, it's $500 million of debt and the Groupon is 7.8%. So if you if you're doing the math in terms of you know, what it was before to what it is now, it's
Speaker 5: Roughly sort of after tax is roughly like a seven ish million dollar net income impact a year
Speaker 6: Got it. And then maybe just one last one real quick on the rental income. It was a little bit higher than it's been in the past. I think you said there's some.
Speaker 6: And then maybe just one last one real quick on the rental income. It was a little bit higher than it's been in the past. I think you said there's some some lease.
Speaker 6: Stuff going on there, maybe if you can talk about what the run rate might be going forward, should we expect that sort of 10M rental income or is it closer to 78? Where it's been in the past going forward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the Brent, you know, we don't provide specific guidance on rental income line separately, but the thing that impact rental income is obviously sales improve, there's there's percent rent that that bump that up and also once a while we have.
Speaker 5: lease buyouts, etc. that would introduce some variability in rental income numbers. For the most part, it's not a line that drives a lot of volatility in their P&L.
Speaker 5: buyouts, et cetera, that would introduce some variability in rental income numbers. So for the most part, it's not a line that drives a lot of volatility in their P&L. Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2: And thank you. Stand by for our next question. This next question comes from Jake Bartlett of Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker 7: Great, thanks for taking the questions. You know, my first is on kind of dynamics with the industry and what you're seeing at your two brands in terms of trade down. We've seen very strong results from, you know, from limited service and fast food suggest maybe there's some trade down from casual dining.
Speaker 7: One of your large competitors yesterday in family dining said that they thought they were getting trade down from casual dining into the family dining space. To the extent you can measure, what are you seeing in terms of trade out or in of each brand? Hey Jake, it's John . I'll take that sort of thematically and then we'll
Speaker 4: including financial demographics. And our brands have always been positioned as value brands and they perform well during tough times. All three of them do. We look back to the 2008, 2009 recession and Applebee's and IHOP overperformed back then as well.
Speaker 4: And so that is in our favor from where we sit in this category and helps explain our results. We know that people, particularly our guests, continue to value experiences over goods right now. And we're benefiting from that. And we recently just completed some new Applebee's research that was some of the more extensive research we've done.
Speaker 4: in a while, you know, and we learned, for example, that our share of guest household income over $100,000 has increased versus where we were in 2019.
Speaker 4: So, you know, while during tough times like this, certainly some of our guests may look elsewhere for less expensive options. We also know that we are gaining guests as well and overall we are pleased with the performance.
Speaker 4: Jay, do you want to talk about IHOP specifically and then Tony will follow on? Yeah, John . Hey, Jay. Good morning or afternoon, wherever you may be. I think that on the IHOP side, we just haven't seen that much of that that we can attribute to people moving around. One of the things we try to do from a strategy standpoint is to make sure that we're not
Speaker 8: is to always have value opportunities for our guests, not only in price point, but abundant value. And obviously with our loyalty program, we can give very unique values to people as part of that program, but we need to have great innovation, new products, new reasons to come and see us.
Speaker 8: and give a great experience. And when you balance all those things, we think that is really what keeps the broad swath of America that loves IHOP coming back. We have a lot of people that are on the lower income level, a lot of people on the high income level, you know, a tremendous amount of people love IHOP. And we've got a little something for everybody and we try to maintain that at all times.
Speaker 7: I think that helps us stay a little more stable because we're not just one thing to one set of people. Great. That's really helpful. And Jay, if you could maybe give us a little more detail on the menu blocks that you mentioned, trying to understand how much of a driver you think this could be, what are the significant changes, what should get us excited that this could be really impactful.
Speaker 8: our new crates, which are both breakfast crates and dinner crates. We roll those out with a buy one get one offer. So this is a way that we could actually do value to make it a big launch, get people to try it and know by the way with a buy one get one, you get two people to try it at once.
Speaker 8: So you get even more trial of the products. These are new signature crepes that are very well received. Soon after that, we rolled out brand new eggs benedicts that have been in promotion right now since the beginning of April . So really trying to...
Speaker 8: be the absolute best in all the breakfast categories. We're known for our pancakes, we've got great pancakes, but you know we should own crepes, we should own Benedict's, we should own waffles, we should own everything about breakfast, and we've really been upgrading those products over the last two mini cycles.
Speaker 7: Great. And then last question, Vance. I wanted to dig into what the balance sheet looks like post refinancing here. And the biggest unknown for me is what the revolver balance has done that went up for a couple of quarters. And I guess that would speak to your approach to cash.
Speaker 7: So I think you're going to have a lot of available cash to buy back shares. Maybe if you could just talk about your level of focus on share buybacks as well. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Sure, Jake. So the revolver availability is still north of $220-ish million. We draw 100 of it back late last year. And so we didn't pay that down, but we didn't draw it anymore. We use our cash to reduce our debt.
Speaker 5: and with bond buybacks as you saw in our filings. And so we have plenty of liquidity and it's important to keep a prudent approach to balance sheet management.
Speaker 5: in this environment. Now to your second question on stock buybacks, I think the approach is still the same, right? So if you think about our capital allocation strategies, the three priorities that we've talked about is always investing in the company, returning capital shareholders, and then managing our balance sheet. So you know, over the, you know, if you count since the beginning of 2022, does the near term
Speaker 5: Of course, we spent $80 million on floods these, right? And we've spent, we've returned cap to $160 million back to shareholders, we've dividended them bybacks, and then we used $200 million of it to reduce our balance sheet. So that approach won't change, and it just depends on where the stock is trading and how much margin of safety we have, in terms of the stock price versus the transit value of the stock.
Speaker 5: and we will continue down that approach. Thank you very much.
Speaker 7: we will continue down that approach. Great, thank you very much. One moment for our next question.
Speaker 9: This next question comes from Nick Sension of Wedbush. Your line is open. Thank you. I just wanted to ask about Fuzzy's contribution in Q1.
Speaker 4: we are 100% buttoned up in terms of financial reporting and that their definitions and their systems and their data constructs are the same as ours because they didn't have to publicly report in the past, particularly when we do quarter over quarter and year over year comps. So we're sticking with it the moment beginning to talk about fuzzy and more qualitative.
Speaker 9: I want to revisit pricing a little bit for both brands and what the thoughts on pricing as the year progresses are.
Speaker 9: I want to revisit pricing a little bit for both brands and what, you know, thoughts on pricing as the year progresses are. Sure, you know, I'll start off with the.
Speaker 4: a bit of an overview that applies to all three brands and then we can go to Tony and Jay as well for what they know from their franchisees. The good news is that the pressure to raise prices that are franchisees...
Speaker 4: across the brands felt last year is easing a bit, right? Because the rate of inflation increase peaked, you know, it mid to late last year in terms of our cost of goods in the restaurants and it's been easing the last couple of quarters when we expected to continue to ease if not become favorable by year end. You know, and at the same time,
Speaker 4: I think Vance mentioned in his remarks that for the first time since before the pandemic.
Speaker 4: on average across the system, this is true for all restaurants, but on average in our portfolio the sales rose at a rate that was offsetting increases in labor for the first time.
Speaker 4: So, you know, the pressure on their bottom line is certainly not going away, but it's not as intense as it was last year. You know, and that's encouraging for price taking to moderate somewhat versus what we saw last year.
Speaker 4: Tony, do you want to add anything specific that you're hearing from the Applebee's franchisees? Yes, thanks John . If you look at Q1 23 vs. Q1 22, we saw Applebee's franchisees take about...
Just under 6% about 5.6% in price to protect their margins. It's an increase that's lower than our direct peers. And I think our performance in Q1 demonstrates that our franchisees are not pricing out of our guest comfort zone. And we're seeing guests continue to spend...
on experiences and I think that bodes well for us. I think ultimately, I think what gives me a lot of comfort is that our franchisees know better than anyone what the Applebee's brand stands for. That affordability is an incredibly important driver along with the great experience in the restaurant.
Thanks, somebody. Jay, your thoughts? Yeah, I think on the IHOP side, very similar. Just like the inflation rates decelerating, so is the price taking that we're seeing. I think in the first quarter we were at about an 8% price that was cooked into the inflation
the menu. We've already printed our menu for the first part of the year, so that's baked in now. We will have another menu print later in the year that for entities will have an opportunity. On the IOPS side, we actually have a third-party vendor that we use to...
help the franchisees think about how they're taking price so that they're doing this very strategically. They're not, you know, just randomly comparing what the competitor down the street does and take either more or less than what they're doing. Much more scientific within our own restaurant as far as how people do trade.
what's too much of an increase that's going to cause either a traffic decline or people to move down to cheaper items, et cetera. So we try to do this in a pretty sophisticated way. And the franchisees are very careful about what they're doing to try to make sure that they're maintaining the traffic and maintaining the business, because that's the most important thing that we've got to do long term. And just final question, would you be willing to...
sort of normalize working capital trends. And so if you have your model with your EBITDA assumption, you can assume just sort of pre-COVID working capital level and that's how you should model the operating cash flow. Now, I will also mention as a reminder, we talked about this last quarter, that we are expecting about $10 million of-
PI reimbursements through our operating cash flow this year. So you see our CAPEX, like traditional CAPEX and the CAPEX section, and then the effective CAPEX is really net of this $10 million operating cash flow reimbursement. So that's an incremental piece that you should build into your operating cash flow for a year. So that's an incremental piece that you should build into your operating cash flow.
reimbursements through our operating cash flow this year. So you see our CapEx, traditional CapEx in the CapEx section and then the effective CapEx is really sort of net of this $10 million operating cash flow reimbursement. So that's an incremental piece that you should build into your operating cash flow for the year. Thank you very much.
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jeffrey Bernstein of Bartleys. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much. Two questions. First, just following up on the prepared marks when you referred to the late first quarter slowdown. I just wanted to clarify, John , are you saying that that's a broader industry comment in terms of just macro factors and headlines that all consumers are seeing, but that your brands –
My comment is about.
So, you know, we don't comment on the on the on Q2 on this call. So my comment is about the, the industry in general. And that we're watching it and we are and we'll react to it if and when we need to. And, you know, in terms of what we would do if we see a significant slowdown.
Obviously, we would work with our franchisees and our marketing teams and really focus and make sure we've got the right marketing and promotions in place at that time. I think it would be helpful if I ask Tony and then Jay to just share with you the philosophy each brand has right now about the way in which their communication is being used.
brand that's built on abundant value for our guests. Right? So it's one of our core tenants. It's part of our DNA. So-
When the economy struggles or there's uncertainty, we double down on what our guests need to make sure that our relationship is front and center. If you look at Q1, we delivered value through targeted campaigns such as our all you can eat promotion that we ran in January and February 1499. We had tremendous results. It's a
price. It's compelling and it provides that value that guests are seeking in this environment. It's one of the reasons why we continue to outpace many of our direct competitors from a value attribute perspective.
Jay, do you want to comment on IHOP?
Yeah, on the IHOP side, I mentioned a little bit before, but there's different ways that we do value and we do this all the time. If you think about our overall strategy, always working on having value offerings for gas. Sometimes that's price. Sometimes that's abundant value. Sometimes it may be a disruptive value, like a buy 1 get 1. Uh.
that I mentioned before. Sometimes it's unique with loyalty, members get a unique value, but you also have innovation to drive traffic. And that's ever ongoing. And I think what happens in tougher economic times, you morph a little from the value messages to the innovation messages and back and forth. In good times.
you try to do more innovative messages that are full price. In times that are a little tougher, you may do more value messaging. By having those kind of abilities in our toolbox at all times, it's easy to kind of morph and change and make adjustments to your basic strategy instead of having to scramble.
how you're going to respond in a bad time. You've got things on the shelf you can pull down and do pretty quickly, and you work with your franchisees on that when the time comes.
Hey, Jeff, it's John just for one more comment, Jay and Tony. Thank you. One thing that all three of our brands learned during the pandemic is to have it to become much more agile. And their marketing engines are much more responsive to changes in the marketplace. Today, you know, then they then they were before. So that certainly benefits us during. A year like this, it has some uncertainty, some uncertainty left.
You know, and so the summary of what Tony and Jay said, and it's true of Fuzzy's as well, is that whether it's an uptime or a downtime, we're always focused on value, menu innovation, and the on-premise experience, now also the off-premise experience. And that remains our focus, and we will dial up value a little bit, perhaps this year, but it's always a combination of those three.
And so the summary of what Tony and Jay said, and it's true of Fuzzy's as well, is that whether it's an uptime or a downtime, we're always focused on value, menu innovation, and the on-premise experience, now also the off-premise experience. And that remains our focus. And we will dial up value a little bit perhaps this year, but it's always a combination of those three. So with that, we can go to the next question.
Understood. Just the follow-up. No, no. You mentioned I think near the end of your prepared remarks that you actively support or maybe it's would actively support franchisees. Just wondering if you can provide some color in terms of what form maybe you're referring to. Perhaps what's the number one ask from franchisees when you're having discussions most recently.
I assume that's more of an IHOP reference rather than Applebee's considering Applebee's has very few franchisees and they're all typically large corporate well capitalized but any kind of background in terms of what potential active support could mean or has meant already. Thank you.
Yeah, Jeff, so we support our franchisees in many ways. In my prepared remarks, I mentioned, and I think you may be referring to, that all three brands have a financial incentive in place to encourage and support the franchise.
franchisees to continue to open restaurants over the short term. And we should see those openings that are supported by these incentives in 2024. So that was what I was referring to as support. As you mentioned, with a portfolio as large as ours with 300 franchisees. And we should see those openings as large as ours.
It's not unusual at any given time to have a handful that needs some assistance from us based upon their core business. We're always, we're always helping there in terms of different ways. We can provide financial relief and we support them more broadly with our, our training, our operations, our data and analytics. But that was my specific comment to the, in the opening remarks. I'm just.
Thank you one moment for our next question. This next question comes from Brian Vaccaro of Raymond James. Your line is open.
Hi, thanks and good morning. Just following up on the health of your consumer, I was curious, could you comment on what percent of sales at each brand fall under what you would consider some sort of value construct? And has that changed versus the last few quarters?
So I will attempt to answer it for both brands and invite.
Vance, Jay or Tony to correct me, but for both brands, the majority of their guests are below 100,000 dollars in household income. And for both brands, about half their guests are at the 50,000 ish household income. And that has been generally stable over time. Although, as I mentioned.
We are seeing now that the $100,000 plus segment for Applebee's seems to have grown since 2019. Would anybody on our line care to
fact check me on that. Hey Brian , Brian Jay. The only thing I would say just from an IHOP standpoint is, you know, we haven't seen any, any radical change in any of that. I think what John said is true and.
You just look at the value platforms we have, like our iHopi, our platform, the sales of that has been pretty consistent for two or three years now. There's a percentage of guests that appreciate that and need that and use that, and that's been pretty stable. It's not like it's spiked in the last six months or a year because of...
of economic turmoil, you know, more than anything, a lot of it just morphs and moves based on what we're promoting at that time. If you're doing a buy one, get one offer, then you get more people taking the deal. If you're doing a full price eggs Benedict offer, then you sell on more eggs Benedict and full price. So it's usually more about what we're marketing and promoting than it is that they're shifting on their own. Yeah, and on the is the.
This is Tony and on the Applebee's side, I'll just add that John was directionally accurate. Most of our guests are lower income, which means affordability is more important now than ever. I'll share a little bit more insight into some of the income cohorts. We didn't see last quarter any change to guess with household income.
over $75,000, which is now increasingly becoming more and more part of our guest profile. We did see a little softening in visit intent among the 35 to 54-year-old cohort, but that's pretty consistent with industry talent. So we'll see how those areas look as well.
which is now increasingly becoming more and more part of our guest profile. We did see a little softening in visit intent among the 35 to 54 year old cohort, but that's pretty consistent with industry talent. Yeah, and- Hey, Brian . Go ahead, man. Sorry, go ahead.
So the other thing I would add is our three brands, the way they approach value is slightly different. So Applebee's for example has All You Can Eat and 2 for $25 different campaigns that they run. IHOP has IHOP ER which is a consistent sort of value, the way to offer value and then Fuzzy's.
for example, has the $3 tacos, right? So that's different ways to drive traffic, different ways to communicate the concept of value to our guests. And that strategy hasn't changed, and the mix hasn't changed from that perspective. Okay, thank you. And then I had a question.
Could you just comment on what's driving that as it relates to royalty collections? Are there any increases in deferrals that are worth noting or any other dynamics within that line?
Could you just comment on what's driving that as it relates to royalty collections? Are there any increases in deferrals that are worth noting or any other dynamics within that line? Vance, can you address that? I don't know if we're aware of that yet, because a question we received was when will
I think there's some details that we worked out with the company-owned restaurant re-franchising that's going through. So that's not a permanent change, it's more of a temporary change in terms of the effective rate that we're collecting. Okay, thank you Vance. And then just last one for me just clear.
there's a gap of like $85 million there. Can you just, I know you have unrestricted cash, but then some of that unrestricted cash is IHOP gift card cash. So could you level set kind of where your pro forma balance sheet is or where unrestricted cash is? Or maybe just help me sort through that. Thanks again. Yeah, yeah, so no problem. And so you're exactly right. I think we are right.
that the bridge, the gap between the two numbers is really just a cache on the balance sheet. So even after, if you perform a full transaction, we still have, we still have, you know, gift cards and the high hop math and all that stuff is intact. So we had enough liquidity to reduce the absolute debt level.
And so the math we did was just trying to minimize what are the net income impact on the interest expense. And that's what we did.
Is that helpful, Brian ?
Yeah, that's great. I'll pass it along. Thanks again. Thank you. One moment for our next question. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 1 on your phone and wait until your name is announced.
Our next question comes from Todd Brooks of the Benchmark Company. Your line is open.
Hey, thanks for taking my questions and good morning everyone. Two quick questions. One is more of a forward modeling question. We talked about.
the inflation environment waning a bit, not having to be as aggressive on price. Jay, I think you said the menu set for the first half for IHOP. I was just wondering, I know in answering Nick's question, we talked about what pricing...
for the system for both brands was in Q1. Can we talk about if we look at Q2 what the anticipated pricing would be on the menu side? Yeah, this is Jay. Hi Todd. The IOP franchisees on their most recent menu print they took about a 4% price increase.
but they also had previous years that rolled off. So I think we'll still be right around that 8% mark until we get into the fall.
Yeah, and on the Applebee side, as I said earlier, they took about just under 6%, 5.6% from the quarter. One thing to keep in mind is from a procurement standpoint, is that the
We leverage our supply chain incredibly well in the Applebee system. And so I think you'll see, we've seen modest price increases relative to inflation, especially when you compare us to our peers. And I think you'll continue to see that for the balance of the year. We do expect inflation to, it's easing and we have put that.
of last year, just what we're rolling over, would you expect that 5.6% to decline for the Applebee system in key tours, they're relatively steady? When it comes to pricing, it's important to keep in mind that these decisions are the decisions of the franchisees and not the franchisee or, so with that said, they are highly strategic.
They understand that in this environment, value, and especially affordability are levers that we need to continue to pull on to remain competitive. Again, I'd expect them to be incredibly reasonable and strategic in their pricing so that we can maintain our leadership position in the category.
Okay, great, thanks. And then a bigger picture question maybe for John .
Early on coming out of the pandemic, John , you always focused on the advantages of scale. From a market share standpoint, what you can do from an investing in the business standpoint, just your thoughts and maybe a choppier environment on scale advantages for Dine and what it allows you to do maybe relative to what some smaller.
both in terms of the number of brands a company has, as well as the platforms they build to accommodate those brands, which is our strategy.
Two years ago, we said we were looking at or considering an acquisition right in the last quarter We did one and that that's an example of us You know following through Todd on our point about scale and we're able to do it and fuzzies for example Is able to benefit from that scale already in a couple of ways right there?
our national contracts with providers and of either services or goods, you know, are beginning to benefit them. They are, they are plugging into our technology stack, our help desk, our customer service desk in ways that are more efficient for them. And so we're going to continue to build common platforms.
that benefit all three brands, all 300 franchisees, and are open, flexible, scalable platforms that could accommodate potentially a fourth brand in the future, once we prove that Fuzzy is better off with us than without us.
And just a quick follow up there, John . So if the scale positioning is stronger than ever and more important than ever.
Do you look at kind of relative investment to cement scale with other large peers in the space? And I'm just thinking on the tightening environment, I know that the G&A investment comes from a place of playing offense and investing in the business. But how do we think about...
Are we out investing our peers and do we have some flexibility there if others are pulling back that Dine would pull back as well or just
The returns on what you see are so compelling in the future that you don't see a reason to slow that spend at all. Thank you Our benchmark for deciding if we're going to invest or not invest invest, you know, is not about peers Todd So, you know if our peers are pulling back or a peer is pulling back
I don't know that that would be motivating to us the same way. We're focused on the ROI of the investments we make across our ecosystem. And if we think there's an ROI that's compelling and it's responsible in the economic environment that we're in at any moment, then that's our benchmark. And if an initiative is not working, then we also will unwind it. We're not going to throw good money after bad. So our lens is much more about our internal ROI and less about what.
what others are necessarily doing.
David. David. Sorry, go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off. Hey, Todd. This is Vance. So another thing I would add is that I'll give you an example, right, the type of things we're investing in. And then, you know, as we said in the past, our investments are really designed to drive and support long-term growth. And we are happy. We're pleased with the progress we're seeing so far. But a very specific example I can share with you is, you know, for example, loyalty program, right, in order for that program to work.
It's not just one single platform. We need to overhaul the entire tech stack, and that includes new website, new apps, and payment function, and the guest loyalty data platform, POS, cloud storage, CRM. It's the entire vertical stack. So some costs are implementation related, which are...
one time, i.e. one time, right, that will be rolled off over time. A lot of there are maintenance and software licensing costs going forward. You know, look, it's still early to declare complete victory on loyalty, but as John mentioned, great progress thus far with 5.5 million members and 5% of sales, right? So, but to your other question in terms of the levers we have to pull back, look, the short answer is of course we have to…
to fall back with both GNA and CAPEX, we've been through the worst during 2020. We know we've proven that we can protect our liquidity, our fundamentals of the business playing the long game. So also, as John mentioned, the key strategic advantage we have with our asset-like model is that we could play offense when everyone else is playing defense.
But the lovers are certainly there. Thank you both. Thank you. That concludes our Q&A segment. I'll now turn it back over to John Payton for closing remarks. Hey Chris, thank you. We vote you as your operator of the year. You were fantastic and thank you.
for your support on this call. I'll just wrap up by reiterating where we started, which is nine consecutive quarters of comp sales growth for Applebee's and for IHOP don't happen by accident. Our brands really are operating on all cylinders right now. We talked about Applebee's having a higher income mixed guest. We also know from our new research that our guest is younger, more diverse, and more likely to die as a family than our guests were pre-pandemic.
IHOP, we know we talked about, has launched its most significant menu refresh in a decade. And Fuzzy's that we've just begun to talk about, its loyalty program as we dig into it, it's got 500,000 active members and growing, and they spend more and they visit more than their non loyalty members.
And that's just one example from each brand about why we have had a string of good quarters and why we're committed to our guidance for the rest of the year. So thank you all for your questions. We appreciate the hour you spent with us and we will talk to you all soon. And thank you all for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect.